 Good morning everyone. Welcome this morning to our weekly mentoring hour. We pray and then we will get into our session for this morning. So I'd like to request somebody who's on the call to please go ahead and lead us in prayer. Feel free, anyone can begin. Okay, I'll request Pastor Selena. Pastor Selena, if you could please lead us in prayer please. Sure, Pastor Nancy, let's pray. Father, we thank you for another new day that you've added into our lives. We thank you for the opportunities where we can learn from your word, learn about life and ministry, Father God. We thank you for this time. We bless this time, God. We pray that you would enrich us, build us and strengthen us, God. We commit the rest of this time into your hands. We pray that our internet's signal strength will be strong and that many will join and be blessed to the session, Father. Thank you. We bless you in Jesus' name. We pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Pastor Selena. So last week we began talking about a very important subject, a loved subject as Pastor Roshan put it last week, the subject of leadership. And we looked at a couple of thoughts there and we said that in leading people, especially God's people, it's important to lead with a vision. It's important to lead as a servant. It's important to lead with sacrifice the way Jesus did. It's important to lead as an example and to lead strong. We also discussed that there are certain abilities that are essential as far as, you know, a leader is concerned. And we had a very interactive time last week because there were several questions and I'm sure the subject is relevant to ministry. And that's why, you know, there are a good number of questions. So there were questions such as, you know, how do we handle or respond to critical feedback? How do we expand our abilities to handle challenges? Someone asked about how a leader can remain in the place of humility. And then there was a question about how one can handle rumors. How can leaders delegate effectively? When would be the right time to delegate? So we just felt that it'll be nice to continue on the same subject and to keep talking about leading. Keep talking about the questions that we have regarding this subject of leadership. So we're going to leave this time open and anyone who has a question about leadership, let's begin there. We can continue to talk about the subject. But as we go further into the call, please feel free if you have questions about any other subject pertaining to life, pertaining to ministry, pertaining to current events, maybe, you know, please feel free, you can always ask questions. So the time is open now and we will continue our discussion on the subject of leadership. So if you have any questions there, please feel free to post it on the chat or you can also unmute and ask. Okay, Rinn, thank you for that question. So we have a question right away. And Rinn is asking, how do we know if we are a born leader? So our faculty is on this call and anyone can pick up this question and answer please. How do we know if we are a born leader? Okay, I'll go back to Pastor Selena if that's okay. Pastor Selena, any thoughts on this subject? Thank you for your question, Rinn. I think, you know, just speaking on responsibility, you know, the willingness of a person to always take on responsibility to be in the forefront, to see things that are done, maybe can, you know, just show the person that they have that leadership abilities or traits in them, or even if they have the skills, the abilities for leadership, for leading people to take on responsibility, to do things, to organize things can also be in one way, you know, to just show that there's some innate traits in them of leadership or, you know, to take on leadership responsibility. I think that is what just comes to my mind. Also, maybe if you know that you have the gifting in that area, God has, when he gives us gifts to fulfill a specific function, he gives us also the grace that enables us to fulfill the specific calling, the specific gift that he is giving to us. So, our giftings, our calling can also show us if we have that leadership trait and a complete with that is the grace that God gives us, the enabling that he gives us and also the opportunities that he orchestrates for us to be in positions where we can take on leadership roles and responsibilities can also be something that, you know, God is showing us that he has given us this maybe in born leadership ability. I hope that helps. Over to you, Pastor Dancy. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor Selena Rin. I hope that answers your question. Please let us know. This whole question of are leaders born or are leaders made, right? So there's a lot of studies on that because there's this big debate, you know, is a leader born? Is somebody born a leader or is somebody become a leader? The general consensus is that the thought that somebody is born a leader is just a myth. It's not a reality. Nobody's born a leader, right? So basically leaders, people become leaders, you grow into being a leader. So nobody's born a leader, but you grow to be a leader. So leadership is something that is developed. The, as Pastor Selena was pointing out, there may be certain traits that help somebody become a good leader, right? And these traits like, you know, the willingness to take on responsibility, the willingness to, you know, the ability to have vision, the willingness to work with people, all these things are traits. Some people may have a greater predisposition for these traits, but even these traits are developed, right? It's like, you know, I was almost tempted to say, when you asked the question, I was tempted to say, look at your birth certificate. There's nothing on anybody's birth certificate that gives any qualities. It only says the date you were born and probably your name, you know, but your birth certificate never determines your destiny, right? Your destiny is determined by what you grow into with the help of God and the grace of the Holy Spirit. So to answer your question, nobody's born a leader. We develop the traits, the characteristics. Somebody could have the traits, but never become a leader because they don't develop it. They just neglect it. Somebody may not necessarily have a predisposition to these traits, but they acquired it, you know, the ability to organize is an acquired skill. Anybody can learn it. If you're willing to learn the ability to plan and the ability to work with people and the ability to resolve, solve problems, the ability to take risks. All these things are things we can actually acquire if you are willing to do it, right? Some people may have a greater predisposition for them than others. That's, you know, part of their makeup, but nothing stops any person from becoming a leader if they're willing to go through the process. That would be my response to it. Let others answer. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you for adding your thoughts. And Rin says, yes, thank you, Pastor. And we're hoping she's got the answer to her question. We'll move on to the next question here from Daniel Oliver. He says, how to overcome stage fear in leading? How to attain more courage to stand in front of a crowd? So, yes, maybe I'll just share my thoughts and then the other faculty can come in. Thank you. Thank you for your thoughts. Maybe I can adjust your mic a bit. Yes, Pastor. You're loud, but there's too much of popping sound. Oh, is it? Okay, Pastor. I'll just check. Yes, please. Nothing wrong with your mic. It's just the position of your mic. Oh, okay. Is it any better now, Pastor? Is it better? You just have to keep it a little away so that there's no popping sound. Okay. Sure, Pastor. We'll try to do that. Yes. Any better now? Yeah. Oh, I can switch to a different earphone. No, no, it's fine. It's fine? Yeah, just pushing it down a little bit. Yes, yes, yes. Thank you. Thank you for that. Yes. So, coming back to Daniel's question here, where he's asking about how to overcome stage fear, I would say, Daniel, that the best way to overcome fear is to just begin to do it. So as and when opportunities come to put in our best to prepare ourselves and to step in, take on that challenge. And even if we are afraid to just begin to minister in front of people, you're specifically asking about stage, so standing in front of people, talking in front of people. I think the more we do it, that's how we actually overcome fear. So I leave it open for others as well. If you want to share your experience or your thoughts about overcoming stage fear. Okay, pastashish, would you like to share your thoughts? Just to add to what you said. Yeah, we just had to keep doing it, you know, I mean, so one is our confidence in God. So a scripture that helps me a lot and even till today, right? A scripture that helps me sometimes even, you know, after maybe so many decades of ministry, there may be times when I'm going up on stage and there is that sense of, oh God, I'm not ready or I'm not sure if I'm ready or whatever. The scripture that helps me second Corinthians 3.5, Paul says, not that we are sufficient to ourselves as to think anything as of ourselves, but our sufficiency is of God. So I like to remind myself and if, you know, if there are any moments where I feel afraid or feel, you know, not up to the task of to whatever that's called for, I remind myself that our sufficiency comes from God. So there is the spiritual side, right? When we draw strength from God to be confident. There are other scriptures example, Proverbs 3 verse 26, the Lord shall be your confidence. Proverbs 1 verse 26, you know, in the Lord, you will have strong confidence. So the Lord is the source of our confidence, right? So that's the spiritual side. Second is just that you just have to get up there and do it. Keep doing it, keep doing it, keep doing it. And the more we do it, the more comfortable we become. But one very important thing, we should never become over confident. We should always keep looking at, you know, how could we improve how we are ministering to the people. So sometimes I go back and look at my own videos. Even now I go listen to my own servants to see what can I do better, right? Because sometimes when we are nervous or we are not very confident, you know, we there are certain behaviors that we don't actually know. But when we watch ourselves on a video, say, hey, I'm doing that. And the reason I'm doing that is because actually I'm nervous or I'm not prepared or whatever, right? So it's always good to give yourself feedback by you looking at yourself on a video or listening to your own message and saying, hey, I could have said that differently. I could have communicated that a little bit more clearly, right? So three things I'll give us here. One is take stand in God's words to come fear, be confident. Second is just keep on doing it, keep on doing it. And third, always keep learning. Be critical of yourself not to put yourself down, but to see how you can keep on improving. And as you improve, you know, you gain in confidence. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you for those points. I see that Daniel says, yeah, he's happy with the answer. We've answered his question. So we will move on to the next question here in our chat. Okay. Lubega has a comment, not a question. This is pertaining to the question which was asked earlier about whether leaders are born. He says, I think leadership is desire, passion, training and action, not born. And Kennedy asks a question. He says, how do we handle a pastoral whiplash and still built my personal leadership? Kennedy, could you please elaborate on this question so we can understand exactly what the answer that you're looking for, please. Hello. Am I audible? Yes. Yes. Kennedy, we can hear you. You know, when it comes to this pastoral leadership, it's a thing that's where people are getting balanced. Then you get one moment, somebody's giving a good testimony. It's very motivating. Another minute, people are walking out of the church. People are distracted. So it tends to poke somebody or a leader down spiritually. Well, you can do direction. You can... I can even resign as a pastor. So how do you handle something? But you still keep your personal integrity and you still keep your personal leadership. First, I believe as a leader, you have to lead yourself and you can lead others. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Kennedy. So I just want to understand your question better. Are you saying that, you know, sometimes people respond positively to our leadership and then sometimes they seem to be discouraged or the outcome doesn't seem to be positive, but in the midst of that, how do we continue to lead strong? Is that what you're asking? Yeah, and maintain your personal integrity. Okay. Maintaining personal integrity in the midst of these circumstances. So any thoughts, faculty, please feel free to jump in. Thank you for your question, Kennedy. I just think we need to take some time to reflect on the pastoral whiplash of experience. Maybe just identify specific challenges, emotions and lessons that you can learn from that situation. Maybe also connect with mentors or colleagues or friends who can, you know, provide kind of support and guidance. Also, you know, just learn how to, you know, just learn from those experiences, consider those lessons and what you can draw from those pastoral whiplash, what you can learn from those lessons that has taken place, you know, how you can avoid that in your own life. And also, you know, kind of just, you know, embrace a mindset of learning and avoiding those kind of challenges that other pastoral leaders go through and what they have, you know, what are some of those challenges they have faced, what are some of those mistakes that they have made, or we can just kind of learn from their experiences. And also, you know, just lay down personal values and leadership principles for yourself, which you can adhere to, which you can follow from these life examples that you are seeing in others, you know, their experiences. And also, you know, have a leadership style for your own self, you know, where you would want to follow those leadership styles and based on biblical principles and also that would help you to go through or navigate challenges when you face challenges and, you know, you can fall back on these principles or these personal, you know, values or leadership principles that you have set for yourself that you can go back and realign yourself to those values when you are facing your own personal struggles or difficulties. I hope that helped. Did that answer the question? Did that help? Yes, thank you. Give me some good direction. Thank you. Thank you, Pasasalina. I'll just add another thought. So Pasasalina was speaking along the lines of maintaining one's own personal strength to be anchored in values and principles according to God's word and, you know, then lead when there are these varying opinions from people. I'm reminded of one scripture in 2 Corinthians 10 18 where, you know, Paul, he says that it is not one who commends himself who's approved but the one whom the Lord commends. So while people can have, you know, varying opinions, sometimes they have a good opinion and then sometimes it's not so good. While it's good to look at these opinions or feedback objectively and then if there's something that needs to be worked on to work on it, I think ultimately our approval comes from God. So we need that perspective. When we have that perspective and we lead with that perspective, I think it's a lot easier for us to stand our ground, continue to lead with integrity and not be shaken when people's opinions, you know, seem to vary. I hope that also helps in some way, Kennedy. Just an additional thought that I felt I could add. Okay, thank you so much. Yes, thank you. Here in the chat, I think Sanjay had a comment about the mic being slightly adjusted. So I hope it's better now Sanjay. I've tried to adjust. Okay, wonderful. Moving on to Kennedy's question again. He says, talk about transformational leadership in a modern church setup. Pastashesh, can I pose this question to you please? Yeah, sorry. Yes, when you talk about transformational leadership, what we're really saying is leadership that brings about transformation, or if you want to use a simpler word, that brings about change. So now, you know, depending on the context, the transformation that is expected could be different, right? So in a business setting, if a business is going down, somebody would look for a transformational leader who can come in and transform the situation, bring that business from going down to something that's very successful across. So that in a sense is the definition or the concept of transformational leadership. Somebody's bringing about radical change that perhaps is required, necessary or maybe is very essential for the future of the organization or the people that are talking about. So when we look at the Christian church and we talk about church leadership, Christian leadership, transformational leadership is somewhat paradoxical, meaning it almost seems like you have to hold on to two opposites. And what do we mean by that? Transformation leadership in the modern world, in the church context is one, you've got to be willing to hold on to godly traditions. So it means I am holding on to something that was given to us in the past while the situation, the environment is changing. So the change I need to bring is to make sure that God's people are firmly rooted in the traditions that have been handed to us, godly traditions. Unless the traditions are not meaning, I'm not talking about religious traditions, I'm talking about the truths, the scripture, the work of the Holy Spirit and the DNA of who we are as God's people. So in one sense that in the church context, transformation leadership is, I'm willing to make sure that people don't deviate from that. And yet at the same time, I've got to be relevant to the people or relevant to the world in which we are. So that's the looking forward part. So a leader who can bring about change, what is the change we're bringing in actually? The change we're bringing in is one, we need to stay aligned to the truth. So when we see people going away, the church deviating from the truth, the transformation we need to bring is, hey, come back to this, come back to the anchor, come back to the plumb line, come back, steady yourself with godly traditions. So these things we cannot. So that's one side of the transformation, bringing them back to the truth. The other side of the transformation is, okay, I'm going to be able to address issues that are relevant today, because today's issues take on a different shape and form than previous decades. The underlying problems may be the same, but how it is being expressed today and the complexity of it is very different. And so transformation leadership in the church context is able to address those issues and take the church forward to becoming the church God wants it to be, which is a church of greater glory, a church that is stronger in the words, stronger in the truth and so on. So the dynamic of transformation leadership in the church context, you don't get to look at it from both sides. One is holding onto the past and yet moving into the future and addressing today's challenges. That's in a nutshell, but we can talk a lot about it on this whole thing. I hope I hope that clarifies this. Thank you, Pastor Ashish. Kennedy, we hope this answers your question or are there any follow-up questions to what was said just now? Okay, Kennedy, I couldn't hear you. Yes, now we can hear you. I'm saying thank you, maybe because of time, you just have to give me another day. Okay, all right, yeah. Thank you so much. You've seen the modern church setups today. There's a lot of dynamics, there are a lot of changes. Some are technological, some are sort of a glance, sources of information. I think having a transformation leadership is the best way for us to see other things that are emerging, the challenges of timing. So when you find out support for some of the leadership, then make sure you guide well. Thank you. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Kennedy. We will now move on to Srirada's question and then follow on to Daniel's question. Kofi, we'll come to you. I can see your hand raised there. Srirada says as a leader when we need to take certain decisions to terminate or dismiss someone in our ministry, we can't sugarcoat, but we need to speak out of love and if we have a good relationship with the person, how can we handle this kind of a situation? Okay, so it's a really tough decision that a leader would need to make to terminate someone or dismiss someone from the ministry. How do we really handle this? So Srirada, I'll share some thoughts and then our pastors can also join me. As Ephesians 4.15 says, we must speak the truth in love. We must stand on the side of the truth, but try our best to communicate it in a nice way or in a loving way such that hopefully we can try to resolve the matter by giving some opportunities and to kind of tell them why whatever is going on is not correct and then it might lead up to a termination or dismissal. So we could do it that way. But if it comes to ultimately terminating them because the person is not willing to make the change, then I think at some point one as a leader needs to make that choice for the good of the people whom they are serving and for the good of the person also who's being terminated because hopefully this would lead a change in that person's life. So yes, we cannot sugarcoat, we've got to speak the truth but we can speak the truth in love. Now the other aspect there that you're asking if we have a good relationship with the person, how can we handle this kind of a situation? So when we are leading, one important thing to do is yes, we love people, we care for them, we are so concerned for them but then to personally or be very emotionally connected to people there's a very thin line we must maintain that balance where we are still able to think objectively. So if our relationship, our good relationship with someone doesn't allow us to think objectively, there's something wrong there. So to be able to maintain that kind of a relationship where if at all we need to make a choice on a strong decision on the side of the truth and we need to address some bad behavior or if we even need to go to the extent of dismissing the person we should be able to do that in an objective way and our good relationship with them should not affect us making that right decision because it's going to affect all the people and we are responsible for the people. So those are some of my thoughts on the other faculty anything that you may want to add to it. Thank you, Shri Radha. I hope that addresses your question. Please let us know if you have any follow-up questions you can ask as well. We'll wait for Shri Yes, she says yes, Pastor. Thank you. Thank you, Shri Radha. Moving on to Daniel's question here. He says how to maintain good friendship with our co-leader in ministry without hating them and growing together. Okay, Pastors, any thoughts on this? How to maintain good friendship? Thank you for your question, Daniel. Just like to mention that, you know, when we are in ministry, unity is very, very important and some of the scripture passages that come to mind is Romans chapter 12 verse 18. It says if it is possible as far as it depends on you live at peace with everyone, also Colossians 3.15 where it says that the peace of Christ loathe in your heart since as members of one body, you are called to peace and Psalm 3414 says seek peace and pursue it. Hebrews chapter 12 verse 14 says make every effort to live in peace with everyone and be holy. And 1 Peter 3 verse 11 says that we must seek peace and pursue it and even if you look at Jesus' high priestly prayer in John chapter 17, the whole concept of unity that you know, the God had desires that we be in unity and oneness even as you know, the God had the Trinity are in unity and oneness. So it's very important that, you know, we seek peace at all times. So it's important when we are having, you know, maybe disagreement with a good friend who is a co-leader in ministry, maybe to just be open in our conversation with them to discuss to find out why they did or sets things in a certain way because to learn from their perspective to sometimes we can look with our own lenses and misinterpret things or misunderstand things. So it's very important to ask them why, what they're doing, why they're doing things in a certain way to hear from their perspective and then maybe if it aligns with the overall vision and the mission and the purpose for which the ministry is, then it's good. We can also re-align ourselves or also take on their perspective and learn from them. Maybe if it's not aligning according to the goal of the vision, then we can just kind of you know, discuss with them speak it out with them but you know, have a very open conversation without being critical or criticizing you know also it's important that we do that with a sense of respect and kindness also it is important that you know, we if there is any conflict that arises to address it promptly and in a respective way to use constructive communication that's very important. Words that we use is very, very important and again you know, we can pray about this. It's important to pray about the relationships that we have in ministry with other leaders. Just pray, ask God's guidance, seek the Holy Spirit's intervention when things are not going right. It's important to know that people have their strengths and their weaknesses so maximize on people's strengths and understand their weaknesses and maybe we need to help them in the areas of their weakness then be very constructive in the way we communicate their weaknesses and how we can help them you know, in their weakness and also the whole principle you know, our fight is not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers to keep that in mind as well. I hope that helps. Thank you Pastor Selina for those points and Daniel we hope that you have an answer to your question. Yes, he says thank you. We'll move on to taking Kofi's question. Kofi, you addressed your hands. Could you unmute and ask your question? Thank you Pastor Nancy. My question has to do with how to address your leader in case he is on a platform or on a puppet and he makes a mistake assuming he is talking about the disciples and they make mention of Paul. If he is on a platform and makes such a mistake how should it be corrected? Because if you let it go it means the congregation are going to say that Paul is also a disciple meanwhile he is not. So how do you address such a situation if a leader is on a puppet and he makes such a mistake? I hope my question is clear. Yes, I think I got your question Kofi. Kofi are you asking specifically about this particular mistake or in general if a leader makes maybe a theologically wrong statement, how do you address if a leader makes a mistake in general from the pulpit? Yes, in general in case he makes a mistake in general. How do we go about addressing that? I will leave that open. Can we be pastashish? Pastor could you please share your thoughts on that? I am just trying to think if I understood the question correctly I guess I will address it in a general sense. So a leader makes a mistake while he is on the pulpit and how does how do those under his leadership address it? I think one it all depends on the culture of the church and the congregation if we have a culture where it is okay to give feedback receive feedback that's a very healthy culture which means that people who are under the leadership of the pastor have the freedom to go to the pastor and say hey let's say the next level of leaders can we would refer to the second line leaders like the Timothy you mentioned who would have the liberty to go and talk to the pastor and again how we approach and how we communicate is very important rather than saying you made a mistake we can put it as a question in our ask for clarifications make sure we understood it right and then bring the matter up for discussion so let's create an example just for the purpose of discussion so let's say the senior pastor for congregation where there is a healthy culture but there is a healthy environment of giving and receiving feedback in that situation if the senior pastor you know the leader he says something from the pulpit like example he says you know Jesus rose up on the fourth day not the third day just example now let's say there are the associate pastors that say hey what did we hear did we hear it right then then they would say you know and then you say don't have a conversation right did you say you're asking for clarification making sure you heard it right did you actually say Jesus rose up on the fourth day or did you say Jesus rose up on the third day then you say oh actually I was very confused I was thinking about Lazarus and I was preaching about Jesus and I'm really sorry I didn't intend to say Jesus rose up on the third fourth day I was talking about thinking about Lazarus I actually said Jesus you know I got mixed up in my mind I'm really sorry so that's a very healthy environment that means there is a culture where we can ask questions we can discuss and so that's so the answer to your question is in that kind of environment associate pastors can approach the senior pastor ask for clarification discuss that so-called that mistake that was made from the pulpit everything is fine but not every church so not every organization or congregation has that healthy culture in most cultures most organizations in most churches the environment is very toxic it's a very unhealthy culture what do we mean it means like hey you can never question the leader it is you know God is darkness and there is no light in God that's the way it is but that's a very unhealthy culture and in that kind of a context there is no room for discussion there is no room for asking questions it is not healthy and so there you will have to think of other ways there you may have to see if you know can we bring in some other leaders to address the matter so it all depends on the culture all depends on the environment if it's a very unhealthy culture where the leader can never be questioned whatever the leader says has to be followed then that's when we will have to look for other options which is maybe bring somebody whom the leader is accountable to address that theological digression or things like that but that's how I would look at it I hope that helps Pastashish did that answer your question ok yes he says thank you we will move on once again almost at the end of our call and we still have so many questions to go so we will just do our best to address all of them so Kennedy has a question to Pastashish where he is saying how can I tell if I am leading well are there any pointers Pasta that we can look at and say ok we are leading well just quick things the first measure is the word of God is our plumb line and so as a leader you know I need to check myself with the word of God am I doing what the Bible is telling me as a leader am I being a 7th leader am I setting the example in humility is my life right before God so that's the first plumb line I need to measure my own life in the light of God's word in the example of God as a leader am I being just am I being fair am I treating people am I treating everyone equally am I being impartial you know am I keeping my heart free from prejudice I am not giving any cash so these are measures that are given to us in the scripture and if I am aligned to that and following what the Bible is teaching me about leadership I know as a leader I am leading well the second of course is we need to keep our heart clean before God which is probably connected to the first thing it's just before God Father speak to me Father if I am wrong somewhere please correct me I am listening to you God Lord is my heart clean before God because offences will always come there will always be people who say wrong things or do hurtful things but is my heart clean before God if my heart is clean before God that's a second plumb line that's the place we always want to be and the third thing we have to look at the fruit what is the fruit if we are able to nurture people up if we are actually bringing about change in the lives of people positive change in the lives of people if people are growing up under our leadership then we are leading well right if people are only remaining servants and they never move out of that place of being a servant then we are not leading well we have got a lot of servants but we have never matured them into being sons and daughters and raised them up as leaders so the third thing is to look at the fruit so if I can look at these three things how am I measuring myself with the word of God is my heart clean before God am I bearing the fruit of leadership which is nurturing other leaders then I think we can save you doing pretty well thank you pastor for sharing those pointers and Kennedy we hope it addresses your question please let us know yes Kennedy says thank you we move on to the questions from last week here so Jack in had a question where she said pastor as a leader how much can we be vulnerable to those whom we lead on a one on one to one basis when we mentored a person is it okay for us to share our learnings and telling them about our mistakes and what we have learned how the Lord delivered us in a storm we never expected how much can we be open to others in these aspects of life so Jack in I will share some thoughts regarding this yes it is okay to be open to people when we are mentoring them but we need to be discerning about what is it that we share with them yes there will be times when we have to share from very lives and maybe even the mistakes that we made but then we will have to think about you know if that is the appropriate timing that is the appropriate example to share with them to build them up and you know if we have that kind of a relationship with the individual that we are mentoring that you know we feel comfortable to share I think it is okay but hopefully we have an understanding or a culture of mentoring where things will be kept confidential but if as a leader you do not feel confident that the person will use it you know in the right way or keep it confidential then I think it is okay not to share so it is totally our discretion and having that discerning attitude when we actually share with people so we really need to think about it and then go ahead and share details I hope that helps Jacken so that is fine with Jacken we move on to the next two questions here where John Blessie asks what are some of the steps that we can take to avoid being offended when we receive feedback and also what are the steps we can take to deal with people who got offended by us even if our intentions are not to hurt or offend them okay so Pasasalina would there be a brief answer to John Blessie's question? Yes just from my experience we need to when I receive feedback from people I just know that I am not perfect and just listening to their feedback will help me to grow and improve myself in my own journey so just listen to them without having any judgmental thoughts or with a positive mindset and just view their feedback as an opportunity for growth rather than criticism also if listen to understand what they are saying if things that are not right they have misjudged you you can clarify that you can leave that aside but you can take on what they are trying to really looking into your life and what they are trying to help you with in your for your personal growth also we need to understand that feedback is about our actions and our behaviors our attitudes it's not a judgment about our worth so it doesn't define our identity or our self worth so that's very important to keep in mind and also you know see clarifications if you want to fully understand what they are trying to give you as their feedback and also you can shift from the conversation from their feedback to what is the solutions or what way they can help you with the feedback they have brought to you what you can do with the people who are offended you know just realize that their feelings empathize with them also get back to them in a casual conversation in a very informal way to clarify what you really meant what you said what they are feeling what they are going through what is their role understanding and maybe you can talk about it in detail with them Thank you so much Pasya Selina and blessy we hope it answers your question we've run out of time but we'll make sure that your question is addressed in the next call I'll just close with a word of prayer let's pray together Heavenly Father we thank you Lord for this opportunity where we could come together we could ask questions and Lord learn from your word we pray God that you'll continue to strengthen us continue to Lord help us we rooted and grounded our God in the truth of your word Father God so that Lord we will lead according to your own heart Father we surrender each one of us into your hands into your hands in Jesus name we pray amen thank you all students for being a part of this call thank you faculty for taking the time to address the many questions God bless you all have a great day bye for now