 People of the internet tonight. We are debating is the Quran scientific and we are starting right now So welcome to modern day debate. I am your host Kaz of the atheist edge You know among other things and tonight we have T jump crossing swords with Samir Let me just put them all on the screen Welcome gentlemen Hello, nice to see you They will each have 10 minutes each for their opening statements followed by 50 minutes of open discussion and 35 minutes of Q&A and Going first tonight is Samir. So Samir at your first word. I will go ahead and start the clock Okay, thank you very much First assalamu alaikum Peace be upon everyone who is watching this video either live or recorded Rabi shahli sadri wa yassir li amri wahlu alaqdatan min lisani yafqahu qawli I pray God to guide me through this Debate and ease me to find the words to describe What I wish to transmit to the public First year I would like to clarify a couple of things and I surely honestly hope That whoever is watching this debate You will clear all prejudice that you have and you would just Open your heart and open your mind and Way what you hear and Use your own judgment Do not use the judgment from things that you've heard through the media or through Islamophobic people or through any type of other sources Number one here, I would like before I before I enter the topic of the Islam and the science I Would like to emphasize something I Always hear that the burden of proof is on the believers and That is totally not true Because here I want you to think about this in a philosophical way in a psychological way where Imagine if there is an asteroid hitting earth that was written in a book 2,000 years ago whether in the Quran and the Bible or in the Torah or and And and there are four billion people on this planet that believe that and that some people tell you know it won't happen and Then you start to see science not science science that it's happening Astronomers tell you that there is an asteroid of a certain shape or whatever as predicted that that just entered the solar system and Then it would it would reach earth like in four years And that but it's gonna be a 40 million miles away from earth and Then they adjust the calculations couple of years later, and they tell you that it's going to be 2 million miles away from earth and Then 1 million mile away from earth. So you're seeing the signs little by little and Then you see people escaping They're getting ready. They're getting buses if they're clearing the town because they know this the exact geographic Part of the earth where it's going to hit those people getting on the bus. They don't owe you any Proof You you owe them that they will tell you the proof You owe it to yourself to ask them for the proof because if you stayed there You risk to get destroyed if you leave with them. Nothing will happen to you So based on these bases, I would like to say that the Quran is a book of science and I want you to clearly make the distinction and Those signs that are given to you are supposed to guide you to find the science and I always hear that okay, but the Quran does not predict. I always I always hear this throughout Most interviews and I'm probably gonna hear it eleven eight five times tonight That how come it doesn't predict how come the Quran or the Bible or this will always wait until we discover Something we work hard for it and that they say you see it was written here two thousand years ago number one that is not rational thinking reason why because Okay, I'm gonna Okay Number one it is not rational thinking the reason why is because if it was worth if it was written Two thousand years ago the sign was written two thousand years ago or 1400 years ago in the case of the Quran and Then you discover it now and you find out that your your whole science was wrong for for for centuries And then you just aligned with what was written before Then of course it predicted it That's on the one side Number two the Quran can make other predictions. I don't know how to change the screen because it's getting I'm not used to this. I'm not a debater You can notice I don't speak 17 words a second Now you would you would notice that I would treat this with the utmost respect and If you need a second to figure out I can announcements No, it's fine. It's fine. No, I was must. Yeah, I'll I'll avoid this I'll avoid the mention in what's going on anyway So when the Quran tells you If the moon splits You sit there and you shake your head and you laugh Because why because your compare it with the science that you have right now Because you because you think that your astronomy and your geology and your earthly science have achieved the ultimate knowledge Let me tell you that your sciences Which has my sciences as well and the Muslim sciences, they're not the atheist sciences This is another fallacy that keeps that That is always told to people the eighties didn't didn't do anything The eighties are just growing up most eighties are 15 to 29 years old so you would know the United States is not an atheist country Europe is not an atheist continent Ates are the minority in the United States that they're the minority everywhere in the world most people are I have the proof to show that I have the proof to show that and show me the numbers So so going from these bases the eighties claiming the the ownership of science is another fallacy Okay, so when we're talking about When we're talking about science like when the moon splits You're comparing it with your current science and I believe that I love astronomy and I follow astronomy a lot Okay, I'm not an astronomers. I'm not a cosmologist. I'm not but I follow science a lot and I am a lot smarter than to be making that left You probably never met somebody as smart as I am you are a learner. You're a repeater. You are a regurgitator And I and I hear you talking 17,000 words a second. That's fine. You can do that all you want But that that's not the science. That's not the thinking the holes I'll give you a few fallacies with your system because I need to dig into your system. I'm sorry I don't know how much time I've used already You have two minutes and 46 seconds left. Okay So I'm telling you there is there is a there's a whole a lot of fallacies with what's going on with your system I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you if you guys want to calculate it you can grab your calculator and Let's figure out these united hypotheses of science Okay, these united Hypothesis of astronomy, okay, and I want you to think about them Let's pretend that each high part high potasy Or each theory had a 90% chance Of being true and we're building up all these theories one on top of another with a 90% chance by the time We built the 50th theory on top of this pile of nothing The chance of the final result being true is 0.05 percent You guys can do that in your calculator. Just just do do point nine five times point nine five and then hit equal 49 more times and you would see what I'm talking about So the the final thing I would like to ask one one one would follow me these these stupidities One of their channels that a universe from nothing Okay, and I heard I heard that I I heard the gentleman next to me here saying that No, nobody said that yes Somebody said that it's Lorenz Krauss. He's got a book about that and they're holding it with much bright and he's saying that Time didn't exist space didn't exist matter didn't exist and even not even the quantum fluctuations Existed so there was no laws of physics. So I'll ask you one simple question Ladies and gentlemen, I want you to think about it If nothing was sitting there, let's pretend nothing is something like they say If nothing was sitting there and there is no time and no space And then nothing exploded That must have been at least one law of physics that told nothing to explode Because nothing sitting there in one state of nothing and then exploding it would need Some law that tells it to explode You'd agree with so let's just consider that law that changed the state of nothing to explode That's God Who gave his word for nothing to make and I don't even believe in this nothing. I'm sorry go ahead You have 30 seconds. Oh, I have 30 seconds. Okay. So I don't even believe in this whole system Because it the whole thing is a joke. We don't even understand. I just want you to know that They've been teaching us at school three states Uh of matter for for for for water for h2o They're up to 19 now And and and the 18th one Which is 4,700 degrees celsius and black was predicted in the crown If you read that before you'd be laughing at it All right, we'll go ahead and kick it over to t jump for his opening statement t jump the floor is all yours Uh, yeah, okay. I have no idea what anything he said had to do with the topic, but that's all right We can roll with it so the debate today, I assume was is the clarion scientific and Scientific means doesn't make novel testable predictions So then a methodology and we're going to demonstrate some kind of way to show it's not just a figment of our imagination And Samir kind of admitted in his opening doesn't do that So, I mean, I think he's he's admitted that it's not scientific He just says it doesn't do that. It doesn't make predictions like okay means it's by definition Not scientific He admitted that there's no scientific evidence the moon was cut in half But he said maybe in some future imaginary land maybe in the future we'll discover it. Well, that's also Not scientific that's literally the opposite of science science has a principle follow the evidence wherever it leads Don't make shit up beyond the evidence. That's kind of the whole point So if you're saying well, the current science doesn't indicate it. Well, that means it's literally not scientific It's kind of Kind of contradiction. He brought up laurence krauss for some reason laurence krauss has literally admitted He didn't mean to philosophical nothing. He was changing the definition of nothing So it's irrelevant. He just doesn't know his basic physics on that one. I don't know that's kind of irrelevant So I want I want the fallacy calculator. I think that'd be pretty cool. Um, but I don't I don't know how to calculate fallacies there He mentioned that science changes therefore science is unreliable. That's like the dumbest argument ever The fact that something changes doesn't mean it's not reliable science is the most reliable system ever The fact that changes is a feature not a bug The fact the crown well the crown does change. It's been changed many times by many authors But that's irrelevant I don't care about how often it changes what I care about is can it indicate that it's true And that science can do that science the most reliable system the fact that it's changed in the past to make more accurate Predictions doesn't make it less accurate. It makes it more accurate So science in the past was better than the crown and science in the future. It's way better than the crown And then you mentioned you mentioned the the asteroid version of pascal's wager that he To try to like bend some kind of burden of proof fallacy in here Oh, there's an asteroid a bunch of crazy people believe the asteroid is coming and they're getting on a bus to move away And they apparently don't hold the burden of proof to prove that there's actually an asteroid coming No, it's not that's not how it works. They have to actually demonstrate that there's actually an asteroid coming If I just ended up packing my bags and decided to move away Is everyone in my neighborhood obligated to ask me like oh my god Do you have like I should believe that the asteroid is coming without evidence like no That's that's dumb like wow This is not going to be productive. But all right. Yes, there is the crown is definitely not scientific There are hundreds of scientific errors in the crown. He mentioned one The the moon being cut in half nasa has literally said it has not happened The setting rising place of the sun are false in the crown the earth and the heavens created in six days of false Earth created before the stars obviously false Earths in the heavens torn apart false Heaven made from smoke false smoke didn't exist in the plasma. There are seven earths. No, they're not Seven heavens. I don't see any evidence of that. It's definitely not scientific some magical and false Similar size and distance of the moon and sun false Moon split into false nature of the moon's light the moon does not emit light false Meteors are stars fire that devils like no, they're not meters are not stars It's literally false the fire to devils part. Who knows no science there. It's unscientific claim But you know what we definitely know that meters are not stars On the sky and heaven is a ceiling false sky is a guarded ceiling false The sky is something that can fall false Heaven can be rolled up false stars are something that can fall false The cause of shadows and changing of length claiming the crown false The disregard of the north and south poles they got that one wrong And then that's just the astronomy section. We also got a biology section embryology section geology section flat earth that's actually Implicated in many of the different things a zoology section history section. Oh the massive walls of iron those don't exist the fact that Caesar Built those attack those big towers and don't doesn't exist lots of sociology errors myth myths and Miracles errors are there are miracles in the crown and those didn't happen No evidence of any of those. So yeah, we got tons of errors in the crown and I'll just but I don't I don't know I think we should address the basic fallacies of what science is first. So I'll leave it there All right. 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So again hit the subscribe button You don't want to miss that and uh with that we will go ahead and kick it over to the live Open discussion. So gentlemen the floor is yours at your the floor is yours at your first word Yeah, so you said there's some fallacies in my system or something I'd like to know which fallacies because it seemed like he was making a burden of proof fallacy by using pascal's wager at the beginning So i'm kind of lost on why he's using fallacies Okay, why i'm using fallacies I'm using fallacies because the whole solar system universe Is flawed the whole creation of the universe is That even mean Okay, i'll tell you another equation of the universe is flawed. What does that mean? The the whole system is based on theories It's it's a system of gaps if we can't figure something Then we find the gap if you can't figure out why how the water got on earth We say it was a comet if we can't figure out how uh What's holding the galaxies together we we say it's a suspect substance that we can't see or detect Are we gonna call it dark uh dark uh matter if the universe is expending like that's how hypotheses work Why is it what are these are problems if the universe is expending like the Quran has predicted 1400 years ago prediction Touching if the Quran if the if the universe is expending like the prediction again What was the prediction 1400 years ago? What happened? the God in the Quran said that I have created the heavens and surely I am expending them 1400 years ago. That's what you said. Yes Okay, well, I don't know how the there's trees older than that, but okay Seems like a problem for it to be scientific. Hold on. Hold on. I don't understand what what's what is the trees have to do with what I said 1400 years ago. There are trees that are 6 000 years old. So if the universe the prediction Was made 1400 years ago. Oh, okay, not the universe Gotcha, okay. You clarify that part. That's good Okay So so your your fallacy is on your argument. You had burden to prove fallacy pascal's wager So any evidence, uh I'm gonna tell you uh, I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna make your prediction right here and right now Okay, the moon will split in half reason will yes Well, seriously, I don't know if you're willing Please stop laughing so we can make this here Or or or i'm gonna i'm gonna stop being serious Okay, because I because I can't jump this whole interview because I can just say everything that you said I'm gonna say the moon split in half wrong wrong The the women created it wrong wrong wrong I'm gonna start I'm gonna start to jump in this thing. So so if if if if you want to if you want to if you want to have an empirical debate And and listen then we can talk if you don't want to listen you can mute your microphone. Let me talk to the public So still waiting for the evidence is still trying to figure out how any of your fallacies were actually okay Okay, let me ask you let me ask you this Does everything expand with heat? um Not everything most things do Okay, everything made out of matter Typically, okay Everything contracts with cold Again, no, um, there's things that like anti matter that may not have that feature. No, I'm just talking about regular matter So that's not everything you said everything so the normal matter Yes, normal matter expands with heat contracts with cold the moon. The moon is made out of normal matter. Sure Okay The moon was thought to be uh, geologically dead, correct I what? The moon was thought to be geologically dead until recently where they found out that the moon was geologically Geologically active. I have no idea what you're talking about Okay, up to recently they used to think that the moon was just a rock geologically dead It is a rock. Okay, then they found out that the moon is actually hot in the center and it's still active Uh, okay Okay, so that makes moon the moon under two different pressures The heat is expanding the moon the moon and the cold of the universe is contracting the moon And the moon has a solid crust Okay And as the moon cools down the force that is expanding it to hold off to hold off What's contracting it? Is going to die off and eventually Only one power will prevail and the moon will will crack and will split. This is my prediction This is my own prediction. That's what's happening with the asteroid belt. That's what's happening With the center go back go back. What's your your prediction is what? So so yes, the moon is hot because it's being compressed by earth gravity. Yeah, and This has been it's always been this way for millions of years. It hasn't split. I'm not sure what you're What's the point? Okay, uh, how do I share my screen? Uh, if you go down to the bottom there, uh, you'll see a little okay monitor Are you trying to show something with sound? No, I just just an order picture. It's not a copyrighted video or anything, right? It's just no no no no no I I held off a lot of stuff because it was like university studies and stuff that required membership and stuff and I didn't want And I didn't want Yes, moon hot inside does not mean moon will split in half. In fact, those would Be the opposite of one another Uh, I don't know if you understood the thing I said. I have no idea what you said I don't think anybody understood the things. I'm not even sure if you understand the thing you said, okay All right, let me get my crayons Okay All right moon hot inside moon cold outside It's been that way for millions of years hasn't cracked The moon is hot on the inside. Yeah The heat is expanding the moon Creating out outward forces. I can even guide this. Okay. Yes. That's how he works the cold of the universe is Uh contract contracting the moon Okay, yeah, which is creating opposite forces gravity Okay, uh, don't even say gravity because what your your priests don't even know what gravity is Gravity gravity is what's causing the contraction of the moon the the temperature isn't what's causing the contraption It's it's the gravity. That's no it has nothing to do with with with gravity. What I'm sorry. It has nothing to do with the gravity Do you think cold holds things together in large balls in space is it the cold that does that Okay, uh, I would suggest you jump you jump uh in a pool on a cold day and you figure that out What how does that doesn't answer the question? So the question was is there are large bodies of objects in space Is it coldness that's holding jupiter and mercury and mars together or is it gravity holding them together? Okay, i'm talking about the force applied to contract The crust that the rock Will contract with what is the name of that force? What force is going to put something in your refrigerator? Okay, that was hot and it cools down and it shrinks. It wasn't gravity that shrunk it Right, it's a temporary. It's thermodynamic But which one is applying more force gravity or temperature to the moon. I i'm ignoring gravity for now I'm just talking about these two forces And if I want to use gravity it would be another would be another point to my side Because now it just creates more force that is that is pushing inwards Okay Okay This is simple. I mean, I see you talking using fancy words and stuff. I don't I don't understand No, seriously like how I didn't think I would have to bring out crayons to explain this to you I mean, this is like when you haven't made an argument yet. You haven't made a thing that premise premise conclusion moon split in half All right, uh, okay Uh, okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna share my screen I clicked share. I don't know what uh, maybe it needs your permission or something When you click share, did you see the pop-up that says? Oh, okay share screen Okay And then another pop-up will show up that says one or two or you probably don't have I don't know if you have Two screens or not, but uh, okay, uh Entire screen. Okay. I'm gonna click entire screen. I'm gonna click share. There you go. Okay That's amazing words Okay, okay All right, can you see this Yes, sir. Sure Okay, you can zoom in with the three dots in the right corner too. If you want to make the text bigger Oh, uh, let me see. Let me just click control plus to see Does that make it better? Yeah taught me something. Okay Okay, scientists are left baffled after discovering and expanding crack on the moon Okay The moon is the second brightest in objects or the moon moderator Uh, I don't want to get you through the whole article You get to the part where there's like a part of the argument that you're making Okay Anyway Here is the article Here is the link you guys can see it Indiana Times trending environment crack on the moon Yeah, there are lots of cracks. There's not a lot more than one. So I'm not sure what the point is Okay, so the scientists here are saying that the the moon the crack on the moon. Uh, how do I okay? I'm gonna stop sharing The moon cracking has been happening to our history Okay, the moon has always been cracking. It's it's a giant rock in space every rock in space has cracks the earth has cracks Okay Uh, you just said that the moon is not cracking. No, I didn't I said it has lots of said it several times. Uh, I uh I I I watched a lot of your interviews or uh debates and stuff You always say there is no cracks on the moon. The moon is not cracking I've I've literally never said that that the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's a giant rock in space Okay, so let's say let's say you never said that let's say you never said that Okay, so so what is your problem with the the the moon didn't the the crown doesn't say split It says cracked. Okay. So what is what is your problem with the with the crown saying that it cracked it? It didn't get cracked in half. There are no half There's no cracks in the moon that crack it in half It's not like it's a big rock that's been split in two. There are thousands of cracks the biggest crack On the circuit. There are not thousands of cracks. There are not that is not true There are not thousands of cracks on the moon. Yes, no, I'm sorry. I'm not gonna let you pass that That that's that's literally there is not thousand that that have been several cracks on the moon throughout history Okay In the monkey monkey the 12th century had reported seeing the moon cracked in the 12th century from earth as well with the naked eye Okay, you can search that up and you can find it. Okay So if uh, if you go back six centuries prior to that the moon surface is totally cracked Analysis of the lunar surface where it is yield is far more fractured than once thought Oh, then one start when was that one start 1400 years ago or this is from an academic paper In the evidence of this of the cracks in the moon Okay, so welcome on board science. No, no, so there's lots of cracks lots of Okay, so welcome on board science the crown spoke about that 1400 years ago No, no cracks in half. So that part's false wrong wrong lots of Never said in half. I don't know. What do you got your translation you you literally brought up You said earlier the moon was split in half No, no, no No, no, no, no, I didn't say split in half I didn't say split in half I said and when the moon will split the moon would actually Would actually shatter in in in millions of pieces just like the asteroid belt This is my prediction and I'm tell I'm saying it's right. Sure every every rock in space is going to break apart like that That's what's going to happen to all of them This is not real So I'm talking about the fallacies in Okay, if Let me lay this egg before you boil it I'm talking about the fallacies in this science. What that is so willing If you wait you'll hear it Like fallacies have names like burden of proof fallacy argument from authority fallacy appealed to emotive fallacy Appeal to emotion fallacy fallacies have names. You can't just say fallacy like this. Okay, specific things The fallacy the science of the gaps fallacy Yes, that's called induction that's induction No, it's no it is not induction when you don't have a proof for something You can't use it to build on it to build something else. Yes, you can It's called induction. You can't you can't use the chasmier effect to prove the quantum fluctuations Yes, you can't it's what the chasm okay, and you can't use and you can't use ramanusian summation To get rid of the infinity result in in the chasmier effect So you can build the chasmier so you so you can prove the chasmier effect The chasmier effect is an empirically demonstrated feature of reality Where if you put two metal bars really really close together like nanometers apart in a vacuum They get pushed together by virtual particles. They don't care about math. They don't understand. Why they had to prove They had to prove it. No, okay So I mean the way seriously It's like becoming like a religion for you guys Why don't you guys have a question the science is so good a question in the Quran a question in the bible a question in the Torah Why do whatever question that I don't think you did you know that they use the ramanusian summation to prove that Go back. Go back. So so the way science works is you make a prediction you say I have a hypothesis If this hypothesis is true, here's the result. We're going to see in some experiment We do the experiment if the experiment shows the result That's evidence of the hypothesis. So it doesn't matter what method what mathematical model you use to make the hypothesis Nobody cares what matters is if you make a prediction and it comes true That wasn't the case for the chasmier effect Literally that's literally the case for the chasmier effect the chasmier effect made a prediction That wasn't the case stop. Listen. Listen to your you're just ignorant of the science The chasmier effect made a prediction that if you put two metal sheets nanometers apart in a vacuum The virtual particles are going to push them together nanometers apart Okay, are you not listening? So listen carefully. Listen carefully made a prediction. We're going to do an experiment We're going to build a box two metal sheets nanometers apart and they're going to get pushed together by virtual particles They did the experiment. They built the box. They put the metal sheets in the box They waited and oh They got pushed together. That's that's called an accurate successful prediction. That's how science works. You make predictions That's evidence. All right. What science does All right, let me let me let me correct you here number one the experiment was never done in a vacuum as supposed to be What's uh, listen to me? Well, let me listen to you talk Listen a little bit. It was done underwater. It was Well, it was It was done under water. It was supposed to be done in a vacuum Where there is nothing Not only it wasn't done in plain air. It was done underwater to prove it And that was the only time they were able to witness it underwater and number two There is also another challenge. There is no way for you to take two Tiny plates and make them exactly parallel I'm talking exactly parallel for the experiment to work. Okay. Yeah, this is one. They don't need to be exactly parallel. That's irrelevant And no, this I read a lot about it. Okay. Did they really didn't like like there's no Are you familiar with the renormalization? What is the renormalization? That's what we're talking about. What field? Okay, uh, in the casement effect experiment They had to use that to get rid of the infinity factor because it just didn't make any sense No, the infinity factor is irrelevant. That's a mathematical representation. It literally doesn't matter So so here's a picture of the experiment. Show me where the water is See here I can't Are you going to show it? Yes on the share screen share screen share screen Uh Don't share screen. I don't care This one don't forget to like share and subscribe ladies and gentlemen Showing up. So so see that picture of the big dome thing. Where's the water? Can you show me where the water is? Uh, I'm seeing a little tiny thing. I have it looks tiny. I don't I don't know maybe let me try to make on my screen Yeah, the point is it's not underwater. That's that's false. It's a vacuum No, it is underwater. I can prove it. It's not I can't I can't pull up the information I show you there is a okay, uh, either way Uh, are you fine with them using the remuneration? Uh, summation to uh, to prove the casimir effect To get rid of the one second. So so the energy of the electromagnetic field in a vacuum is non-zero it continues There's no water no mention of water anywhere in this paper. No, no water I promise you I researched it a lot and the only successful experiment that was done was done underwater Literally can you a picture where there's literally no water typing casimir effect underwater experiment like I can What that's irrelevant because I just showed you one that wasn't done underwater That doesn't tell me anything. It's just an image and that was an image of the machine that did the casimir effect That was literally the so you're just ignorant of the thing Ladies gentlemen, if you have a question or comment for one It's nice and better. Please remember to fire into the old live chat and tag me at moderated debate And super chats will go to the top of the list So if you have a question or comment and you want it to be read and you want it to be guaranteed to be read Then make sure you uh, send a super chat But I'm still still waiting for any evidence of any kind that the corona scientific There's lots of errors can demonstrate lots of errors. No evidence is true Still missing the how it's scientific part. No, you cannot you cannot Let me uh, let me finish up with this point before I jump to something else. Are you fine with them using the remuneration? I don't care what math is. Math is irrelevant. Cypher's no unless math is stupid Yes, it is stupid It is stupid I'm gonna tell you this math that was used is stupid It doesn't matter what math they use what matters is does it make testable predictions whether you like it or not Is irrelevant if it can tell us about the no, no, no, no, no, this is this is fifth grade math That was done in a stupid way from a new gen equations at fifth grade math genius Hmm. I didn't say equations. I said summation You know what okay, you you obviously don't know what it is. Of course you're laughing because you don't know what it is okay the remuneration summation is Is an infinite series that's supposed to claim that 1 plus 2 plus 3 plus 4 plus 5 plus 6 all the way to infinity Equals negative 112 Okay, so I'm familiar with the infinite Okay, and uh, what should I say your three slowness cross keeps always boosting and Yes, because it can be mathematically proven like that's that's that's been done. It is not. It's a fallacy real mathematicians That's stupid. It's fallacy. It's wrong. It is wrong. It's totally wrong because you know what they used to prove it You know what they used to prove it they use 1 plus 1 minus 1 plus 1 minus 1 Equals a half Yeah, that's in if you just Basic math the way that works is no that's when you give up No, no no same math the fact that you're ignorant of basic math is not the topic of the debate We understand you're ignorant of basic math. I could just pull up a video explaining this for you on youtube It's pretty simple math. It's not even that hard Listen, uh Before you insult me and say uh, uh, I'm ignorant of uh simple math uh Don't I don't even want to go there Okay, clearly you are because because what I discovered what this person has discovered in math your whole entire science community has not discovered So don't so are we going to talk about anything in the Quran that is scientific or are we yes Yes, so so i'm laying the ground to show you that when you're comparing the Quran when you keep saying wrong wrong wrong wrong I'm showing you that you are you that you are going from this base where the science is supposed to be This this thing that is I'm not saying that the science is a bad thing. We all love science. I love astronomy. That's why I follow astronomy I love geology. I love a bunch of different sciences and I follow that that's that is not the problem We all love the empirical and finding the truth. Yes, we all seek to find the truth But at at any moment when you claim that you have achieved the truth with a bunch of theories Then you know that you just have become arrogant and this is not oh the irony This is not new to mankind. This this has been the case what history you have is a book of imaginary fictional theories With no confirmation whatsoever science has theories that have been confirmed with testable predictions So if you think that just having a bunch of theories makes your model bad, guess what your Quran is like the dumbest thing ever You will surely find out Novel testable prediction after you die you will meet God. That's a good testable prediction that may come to be true in the future. No, no, no I'm uh, that's between you and I'm not uh, uh, okay That's that's a novel testable prediction. That would be that's a good thing in science That's like one of the most scientific predictions the Quran makes are going to burn in hell It's a good a good testable hypothesis Okay Okay God said I swear by the by the day of resurrection and I swear By the approach by the reproaching soul Does man think that we will not be able To assemble his bones after that I'm doing what that even means. So what is that's fine? Uh, yes We are able Even to reassemble his fingertips Okay, what are you talking about? I'm talking about fingerprints that were discovered in the 19th century That's that they started using them and what they realized that there is one in 64 billion chance that you can find two humans Uh with the same fingerprint. Yeah, where does it say that where does it say fingerprint in the Quran? Okay, uh, you want to look it up? Sure Uh fingertips. I'm sorry. I did say fingerprints. I apologize if I did Uh fingertips Okay, so if god is telling you that if you are if you are surprised that we can reconstitute a human from his bones after he's dead God gives you a challenge, which is even higher and he's telling you that he will be able to Reconstitute his fingertips and we're not talking about one bone. We're talking about the fingerprints if we're talking about fingertips No, he's talking about fingertips. He's saying he can remake them. We reformed them from nothing And how is that harder than making a whole uh human being? How is that how is that how is that a more challenge? This is not a prediction This is saying god i god is super powerful dude can materialize stuff out of nothing. That's great. This is not a prediction Yeah, it is a prediction. It is a prediction that each human's fingerprints are different No, no, it's not. It's literally not what that says What that says is that god is powerful enough to reform your body from nothing That's what it has nothing to do with fingerprints. No, that's that was the verse before Nothing you're saying is making sense. You are speaking gibberish You know, uh, what i'm gonna tell you is that if you close your mind and everything and always just try to find a uh Way out Your words your words are the problem. It's not my mind. These are supposed to be these are supposed to be signs for you They're not supposed to be Uh, uh, uh, what is the sign? The sign is that god is telling you that if human think that we're not going to be able to read, uh, uh, re Reassemble his bones Uh, I am I'm even able to reassemble his fingertips. That's great. What does that have to do with anything? Uh, what has to do with anything it wasn't until the 19th century that people discovered So it was a prediction if it was done before it's clearly a prediction That fingertips are special and they're special to every human What does the word reconstitute mean? What does the word reconstitute mean? Recreate them as they were before he died. Yes. Does that have anything to do with fingertips? Does that or anything to do with fingerprints are fingerprints mentioned in anything related to that the ability to recreate it After it's been destroyed says nothing about fingerprints. Literally nothing It says about fingertips Which watchens nothing about fingerprints. It says I will be able to reconstitute Even the tips of your fingers. It doesn't mention that there's anything special about the tips of your fingers It just says it's going to be be able to remake everything about you. That's all it says. There's nothing about fingerprints No, no, no, no No, you you you you wouldn't you you wouldn't think that if it was in any other context context What's context? That's what I'm thinking literally every book because that's been said like many times in many religions that they can remake you from nothing They can reanimate your corpse. That doesn't mean that because it mentions a specific point The fact that it mentions a specific point on your body Doesn't mean that it's referencing any special thing that you happen to discover a thousand years about that point on your body No, this means that that point in your body is a very specific point That is referencing it's but it's out of a general point. Oh look it can get everything from your head to your toes God mentions that all the time. Does god know that there's fingerprints on your toes too? No, no one cares It's not irrelevant So you you have to like literally say does it say fingerprints anywhere the fact that it says tips of fingers Does not mean fingerprints. Those are literally two separate things That is not that is not true. I mean it says banana It's literally in arabic when we speak when we say banana we talk about the fingertips and we specifically We specifically talk about this part Of of the fingertips when you hold something with with with with yes, those are the tips of your fingers That does not mean this part the inner part of your finger Which is where the fingerprints are and god is making the challenge that is something harder Supposedly then nothing is hard for him, but it's something harder than Reassembling the bonus dumbest argument ever so it doesn't say fingerprints what isn't what isn't to you? I mean so far. I haven't seen any argument that hasn't been the dumbest so Your arguments are pretty bad So i'll give you an example of a really good argument really good argument hinduism predicts the age of the earth Is 4.3 billion years ago the book was written six thousand years ago. That's within five percent accuracy That's a very accurate prediction. That's good. That's a good argument yours is terrible Oh No, that's not so so how come you didn't believe them So okay one lucky guess isn't proof of god. So so tell me one lucky guess Well, one lucky guess 4.3 billion that makes it one chance out of 4.3 billion chances and you still didn't believe so Yes, that's one one one guess So it had to make a lot of those it made a lot of those it said dna was made by a double helix Uh the the universe is 14 or 13.8 billion years ago The human human race began 200 000 years ago if it's not a lot of these things that would be great evidence But the fact they got one fact right out of a billion facts It can get right isn't evidence that the entire model is true It's just it's one thing You need a lot of those you know a lot of those to prove it's true god says for every prophecy That is a term and you will come to know And we have seen many spaghetti monster says bloppy bloppy blub blub blub. It's not evidence Uh I I I I hate to uh, uh compare god with whatever The flying spaghetti monster you hate to compare one imaginary being to a different imaginary being that's a prize uh It is imaginary to you because you close your eyes and you close your heart and you close your mind And you're willing to accept everything else you're willing to accept everything else every stupid theory That has been told to you. Why didn't you challenge the dark matter? Why didn't you challenge the dark dark matter isn't the hypothesis dark matter is there is something out there causing more No, there is there is not there is not it's just like refraction all that all that crap Light refraction. Yeah, it is just like refraction of galaxies because galaxies are made out of matter They actually lenses We have this thing gravitational lenses it would What reflects light how do things reflect light in galaxies? What is it that reflects the light what causes the bending of the light? Light spreads light spreads you can witness that with your phone if you put your phone again If you flash a flashlight In in space spreads and when the light gets blocked in the matter within a whole Uh cluster of galaxies only what comes out the sides would be visible and you would see it in the form of an hour Okay, does light bend in space? Okay, so that was you want to talk to me about spacetime, right? Yes curvatures of spacetime So we know light bends at a specific rate based on the amount of matter Gravity that is how do you know the light because we've observed it Einstein made a testable prediction about the curvature of light based on general relativity around the sun Which was that was the gravitational lens in that? That's that's gravitational I just gave you an explanation for the gravitational lens in no you didn't he made a testable prediction of the exact amount It would bend and got it right you did not you just said you like to see stuff can bend when you It's trying to flashlight it stuff. That's not a prediction Einstein made a exact prediction of the amount it would bend around the sun and observed it and it was correct That's that's a prediction. Okay. It's it's time one directional Is time one directional? Yes, what what you mean like t equals one. Yes Does time go backwards can we go back to begin on this interview? Sure There is no logical contradiction with time going backwards Yes, there is I don't think you know what a logical contradiction means Yes, I agree cause that is exactly how I feel about this debate Uh, I'm happy time of my life. I I'm I'm I'm feeling like this Uh, uh, like It's it's like really strange. It's it's it's almost like you would brainwash to accept anything that they tell you Do you know what logical contradiction? You know to me what I don't have a problem with the science what it brings me what it brings me Empirical proof something that is not built on an Oh, you mean like the chasmer effect, which is an empirical proof. Oh, yeah gravitational lensing, which is an empirical proof Okay, curvature. Hold on, which is an empirical proof in the law. Let me Those are all empirically proven. I'm gonna move to infinity and come back. Hold on here That would be good. That would save us some time move to infinity and back and beyond. Okay. I just moved It was it was one one negative one 12th of a foot What you're fine with that? There what? That's what that's what that that's what the math that you love so much Yes, the infinities can add up to a negative one 12th as a representation using a different mathematical analysis. Yes, that's fine No, that is wrong. We cannot use that. We cannot use that to prove your model That's one thing after another. We cannot use that to prove that You you have a problem you have a problem defining what light is. Is it a particle or is it a wave and instead So you just decide to say both exactly so you can't figure out what light is so you just say it's both What if it's neither? Well, you'd have to have evidence for that We have evidence that it's both a light or both a particle and a wave You have no evidence that it's magical sky daddy stuff. So it is not they just they used to think it's a particle And then and then and then after that after the double slit experiment They start to figure it acts like a wave then but they couldn't deny either of one either of them And they just decide that it's in progress. You know, you decide, you know, what it's just all about You have magic sky daddy wrote book which you imagine Science has lots of novel testable predictions and mathematical analysis, which can be proven I know there one is better. One of these is not like the other science better No, it is not I'm using the t-jump analysis or whatever reply or however you call it If you have a question or comment for one of tonight's debaters Be sure to fire into the old live chat tag me at monday debate and super chats will go the top of the list 15 minutes left in the discussion gentlemen I'm ready if we have any uh Facts in the current I would like Yes, I would like also to establish Some points before we get to I I don't know why you always keep claiming that The secular or atheist or whatever is responsible for The advancement we have reached today What's that again? Why you keep claiming that The the advancement we've made in science today is thanks to the atheist A lot of scientists over the past hundred years have been atheists. So a lot of it has contributed to atheism Okay, so you keep comparing you keep comparing the united states with other countries and uh, you keep claiming Ju Jews are mostly secular Jews are mostly atheists the amount of Nobel prizes that were won by jews is like a quarter the amount of Nobel prizes won by atheists is is Is 10 times as much of muslims, which is like two they won like two um, so yes Atheism has contributed a significant portion of scientific progress over the past Several hundred years, which is the most scientific progress we've ever had in humanity. Yeah Don't know what your point is. Yes atheists have done lots of good work in science Okay, uh, united states is not an atheist country. Do you the atheists are not a majority? What is that to do? It's it? What is it? What does that have to do? It's like I don't I don't like to hear that That it's did you know that atheists can live in a christian nation and do science and then win a noble prize And did you know that and did you know that did you know did you know that these people can do the same thing exact thing? Yes, I literally just mentioned Muslims have like two Nobel prizes like two percent. Good job. Congratulations. You have you have some Nobel prizes. Good job. Okay, and Something else. I would like to clear up. You said that when someone had told you that that the The suicide rate in the atheist community Is like higher than every other theist group You claimed that because they live longer. Yes, it is. No, it's not So like there are the suicide rates in many Impoverished countries the religious groups in those impoverished countries is much higher So I use google countries with highest suicide rates right now While he's doing that ladies and gentlemen And just want to let you know If you have a question or comment for what's nice to better aspire to the old live chat once again And uh, be sure to hit the like button subscribe because we have many more juicy debates coming your way including tomorrow night but letters So the so-so Guyana, that's africa is swatini Kiribati like do they sound like Uh secular nations to you russia russia is in top 10 south africa top 10 Those are not secular nations federated state of micronesia Like these don't sound like atheists nations atheists nations are like russia is not a secular Russia russia is one of the leading atheist countries in the world russia is over 50 christian Uh russia is one of the leading atheist countries in the world russia has a large population most of which is christian okay, uh The what is the main religion in russia russian orthodoxy? What is the main religion? Yeah As opposed like atheism agnosticism uh Non-religious non-religious is 30 percent russian orthodoxy is 53 percent Muslim is eight percent Atheist is five percent. So yes the leading religion in russia is russian orthodoxy Christian i love it when muslims don't believe you on fax and they have to google it like no no no no no i I i i i researched this So i know what i'm talking about. Well, obviously not because i just gave you the stats Would you like me to send you the reference? because i'm looking at uh for technica dot com religion of russia The page russia slash religion and it gives this is a 2005 analysis of the religion affiliation of russia 53 russian orthodoxy Okay, eight percent muslim if if i can share my screen, uh, please Yep, just go ahead and hit the button and i'll share it Okay, sorry Okay, mostly just Okay, can you see it? Nope. Nope Uh, is it small or uh does nothing we see your face. We see just your camera Oh, uh, sorry, uh, okay. Let's try now There you go. Okay. Uh, it's a good thing to be sorry for I like i like the internet So what wait go back up. What are we looking at? Okay Most atheist countries so that's countries would have the highest population of atheists, correct? Yes What is what percentage of the population of that country? is Atheist Okay, uh, so Is russia One one russia has one of the largest population so it has the most of most religions That doesn't mean it's not mostly christian Okay, so let's look down here the list too because i need to clarify this too Let's find the united states. You see what the united states is You see the long list before the united states. You see all the uh scientific investments in united states the united states 63 of the population of russia identified as orthodox christians Seven percent of muslims. This is a more recent study of 2020 a 2020 report international religious freedom in russia 63 percent A russian orthodox so the fact that it has lots of atheists doesn't mean that it's not majority christian What is the population of russia? The government has made a total population at 142.3 million mid-year 2020 estimate poll conducted in september of the independent Laveda center found that 63 of the population identified as orthodox christian and seven percent as muslim And how is that what we can have 26 percent reporters having no religious faith How can up to 69 a million people be uh, 26 percent Uh, because it says that's a range. It says 34 to 69 and that's a 2004 data. I'm using 2020 data My other was the number must be higher. Thank you No, because if you add up all of those numbers it goes higher than the total So, no, so let's hit two just ones and just tell you that the united states is actually dot gov 2020 report on international religious freedom russia 63 of the population identified as orthodox christian. That's 26 Having no faith. There's a big difference between those two numbers. In fact, it's like three times more christians than non-religious okay, and uh Since since you found those numbers look at the united states what it says What what does it have to do with any of the topic? Okay, I want you to just you really need to get adblock I want you to stop claiming because the eighties to united states are not responsible single-handedly for the advancement of the science Literally, I never said that it was obviously No, you always claim that that the eighties Are are are what's moving the the the science wheel forward and uh, and uh, the uh, the Believers or the theists are stalling it and that is not true when uh, when I remember that the case of the united states, which is the number one power in the world I never said that so yeah, obviously there are christians make up like 60 percent of noble prizes muslims make up two percent jews make up 20 25 percent What are you even saying you're saying gibberish I never said that religious people can do no good in science. It's not an argument I mean religious people in america are definitely holding back science because of things like denial of global warming and denial of evolution So religious people not religious scientists religious Average people are holding back science. Yes No, I I don't believe uh, I don't believe that they all uh, uh, have the hold the same position In regards to the topics that you said because I am religious and I don't I I'm not against global warming and I'm not against So it doesn't let saying that religious people are holding back science does not mean literally every single religious person It means a large enough percentage of the religious community reject science in order to make it not taught in schools Not adopted by political policy Therefore they are holding back science because they don't want science to be Adopted or pursued or funded because it goes against their ideology Literally does not mean all literal religious people deny science not not the point of the argument Basic english would be helpful here Okay, I did I didn't want to show something because since we since we got we got five minutes left. Sorry. That's not good share screen Let's go let's go here with that one Yes, five minutes left. So get your super chats in now while they're still time There's plenty of time put on the other screen. Oh, I'd back it Get back. All right That one right down a little sum. We're just gonna see what we'll answer it one That's two plus three And I include all the natural numbers all the way up to infinity So what do you reckon the answer to this is Brady? Well, I would say we go 10 towards infinity Yeah, that makes sense, doesn't it? The answer to this sum is remarkably minus 12 It's amazing. I mean, I first saw this result when I started learning a bit string theory and what's even more bizarre This result is used in many areas of physics This is a very well-informed string theory textbook by Joe Polchinsky as you can see quite early on page 22 We have this statement here, which is that there's some of all this is basically saying the sum of all It's going to prove now without getting our knickers in a twist with Riemann Zeta functions We're going to prove quite a simple way By the sum of all the natural numbers is indeed minus a point. So do that We're going to do this in a number of steps. We're going to look at a few different sums Just clarify I said we're going to prove this without using the rayman's data function So you don't you don't need the rayman's data I want to look at I'm going to call it s one and it's one minus one Plus one minus one plus one minus one and so on that's the first one to look at in principle The second sum I'm going to look at Is one minus two plus three minus four and so on just carry on in that process all the way up And the third one is of course going to be our one that we're really interested in which is one plus two Plus three plus four to do so we're going to evaluate all these three different sums Now the first one is really easy to evaluate. We need to attach a number now clearly What is the answer this now you take you take you stop this at any point? Okay, if you stop it at an odd point, you're going to get the answer one You stop it at an even point at an even point you get the answer zero clearly. That's obvious, right? So what number are we going to attach to this infinite sum? Do we stop at an odd or an even point? We don't know so we take the average of the two So the answer is a half there are other ways to prove that this sum is a half by the way Which we can do if you want, but no, no, there'll be a link there because we've done it before Okay, you can see the link there Okay, so this is a half But I think intuitively that's the easiest way to say it that you either get zero or one And therefore you just take the average so this is the natural number to attach to this sum But once we know this we're laughing okay because from this we can we can achieve everything that we want to achieve The next step is to find out what this sum is so what I'm going to do is I'm going to take two copies of this s2 Okay, so I'm going to add it to itself so two times s2 is equal to well Let me just write it out So I'm going to write it out twice one minus two plus three minus four little bit so on And then I'm going to add to it itself, but I'm going to shift it along a little bit So that's plus one minus two. I've got to shift it a little bit So now that's Plus infinity at the end right and I just put this one alongside Now you see what you get you take this one and this this and this and I get one so one plus nothing is one Minus two plus one minus one three minus two is one minus four plus three is minus one And I'm going to keep getting this pattern. So hang on a minute. I've just got back to something I started with Which I know the answer to So before I know this one now There's divided three by this two and I get a quarter So now I know that this sum the second sum is somewhere the the signed alternates Is actually goes up quarter So this is my second remarkable result now I have everything I need to prove this crazy minus a 12 thing right So this is divided when he says he adds a second one to it. That's the 2s. So it's allowed to add another one Yeah, yeah, because because the first one equals a half. Yeah, that's right So so like when he added the second line below the first line, that's I totally understand this I love this channel until they posted this video and I get a quarter So now I know this one is somewhere the the signed alternates is actually equal to a quarter So this is my second remarkable result now. I have everything I need to prove this crazy minus a 12 thing, right? Okay, so let's do it. I'm going to take this one and I'm going to subtract this one Okay, so I'm going to subtract s2 from s. Let's write them out again Okay, so I'm going to write our s first, which is 1 plus 2 plus 3 Plus 4 Plus 5 and so on. Okay, and I'm going to subtract s2. So that's minus Okay, let me just put a bracket in now because I'm going to minus all of this 1 minus 2 Plus 3 minus 4 and so on. Okay. Okay 1 minus 1. What's that 0? Yeah, exactly. So I get nothing from that bit 2 minus minus 2 Is 4 Okay, 3 minus 3 0 4 minus minus 4 is 8 And so on and the next one I'm going to get from the 5s. I get nothing from the 6s I get 12 and so on and it proceeds in that way and now you can see we're almost there now, right? Because look what I've got here about 4 plus 8 plus 12 if I take a factor of 4 out It's 4 times 1 plus 2 plus 3 Okay, it's my sum that I wanted So now I've got a formula for my so this is just 4 times s which is my sum So now just solve this equation right because I know what s2 is So I have now the expression s minus what s2 is s2 is a quarter Is equal to 4s Okay, I take s from either side so I get minus a quarter is equal to 3s Which implies that s equals minus 12 the value of the evening That's amazing. I love it. It's amazing Basic math very basic man. That is amazing If you don't mind let me share my screen We have 40 seconds left in the open discussion. Okay. Uh, I might just share the title Let's see what Okay share screen Okay, can you guys see? Okay, uh, I'm not gonna play the video. It's a long video And this is real mathematicians making a joke out of that video. So That's enough said One plus one one minus one equals zero In the very beginning of the video in the very beginning of that video you mentioned they actually say that it's correct They don't they don't they make fun of the the methodology, but they say the answer is correct at the very beginning of that video Yes, because they have another way to prove it, which is uh, which is more stupid than this one May as well show the less stupid. So so so let me let me talk to the audience here, please well One one minus one equals zero plus one equals one you do that for infinity and you get a series of zeros and ones But because we don't know when we're gonna stop We're just gonna decide it equals a half and then we're gonna use that in another equation And then we're gonna move one term. We're gonna add two of something Which are which are supposed to line up like fingers and then we're going to Say that we're gonna move one term to the right So if we do that then you're gonna have the same summation Plus one number at the end of the infinity, which is the largest number in in in the universe That that that is gonna be ignored. So it's going to be negative minus one negative negative one 12 Plus the largest number in the universe But they don't tell you that because they they can freely move it to the left Real mathematicians find this stuff to be a jokes, but physicians when they get when they get stuck They're really so happy to use this stuff to solve their problems Okay, all right, let's go ahead and move into the q and a shall we So ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question for one of these nice debaters Please fire into your live chat tag me at modern day debate and super chats We'll go to the top of the list and with that we will go ahead and kick it into the question and answer section So I'll put 35 minutes on the timer And the first question comes in from ozzy and talks for five dollars. Thank you ozzy and they say I have been an atheist since I was five years old, which was 45 years ago. You are wrong Sameer most of the people I know are closer to my age my peers Yeah, there is a percentage of uh, there is a percentage of uh, uh, uh Of eight years, uh, which is lower than the okay the highest bracket of red of eight years between 15 and 29 years old and the second highest is between 30 and 49 years old And it and gets lower after that. Okay. So atheism is is a new wave. It's a new thing that has been pushed by The the atheism priests. So it's The atheism priests. Can I meet some of these people? Yes, I'm pretty sure you do because you memorize every single word they said Hopefully the priests will be sending us some more super chats because we do have uh, plenty of room on the list From anton gomez for 25 dollars or 25 mx. I'm not sure what that is actually For t jump. What is the caran? What in the caran is positive in your opinion? what What in the caran is positive in your opinion positive? Yeah, is there anything positive in the caran? Uh, probably sure. I'm sure there's some occasional moral principles that are nice Um in between the beheadings and the mass murders and rapes and things. There's occasionally Some statements that they don't do beheadings. There is no mass murders and there is no rapes in the caran Okay, then Must be must be reading different book be interesting. But uh, uh, by the way you keep speaking about the I'm sorry. Uh, no go ahead. I apologize during the q&a. I don't want to interrupt Good, uh next question from oh flameo for five dollars. They say the argument from anthropology that would prove the caran Is the scientific explanation for what ancient merchants believe never comes? What I don't even understand the question I'll read it again the argument from anthropology that would prove the caran is the scientific explanation for what ancient merchants believe never comes Yeah, I have no idea what's saying Uh, I apologize To the person especially that they put a $25 chat I hope you tag the host and rephrase your Your question and we'll be glad to answer it Yeah, I'll I'll read it in the next one and I'll try to see if I can figure out what's going on um From 1 6 0 for 4 99 they say I got fingertips on my toes It's true Uh, uh toes are also called fingers in arabic Oh really? Yes interesting, uh From and that's what makes that's what makes the probability goes from 64 billion to septillions I'm sorry The probability of finding a total match For two people on the planet With 20 digits that are exactly the same using every circle criteria that is used by especially by the the police and the fbi and stuff to Uh, uh, track fingerprints You will be in one in a septillion Well, there's a reason we don't use toe prints is because they're pretty worn down So they look very similar between all people that is not true because fingerprints and and toe prints will always regenerate And uh, you can look at your foot. You don't have to go that's not how scabs work That's not how scabby that is not true because it was because back in the 80s. It was these It was these gang members in uh in uh, uh, Chicago that decided they're gonna They're gonna wipe off their fingerprints So so they don't risk for any of them to get caught and they were just surprised to find out that Their fingerprints regroup just the way they were So yeah, I think you need to learn how scabby and scarring works on feet If you do like lots of active activity I don't have to I can just look at my foot in the mirror Science look at your foot in the mirror science. Yeah, I did track and field and uh, I played soccer So my feet took pretty good beating and my my uh, uh, the the the prints on my toes are still exactly the same Okay, uh from okay, so Jerry uh, Jeffrey for uh two, uh, euros or pounds another trump w They give me a p-jump He said trump Okay, that is all the superchats that I have on the list right now So if you send a super chat right now, they will go straight to the top list and they will be the next thing red So, uh with that from gg bianco They say does the Quran also contain the book of genesis Uh, the Quran actually Does not contain the book of genesis, but the Quran comes to tells you that uh, the bible and the Torah and uh All the messages that was relayed before the Quran were from god And the Quran invites other religion to come in and unify under one word of god So the Quran accepts the religion that came before it so so as a muslim I am glad it is t-jump and not a christian because I would not be wanting to uh be bashing somebody else's religion so, uh, uh, we are asked to respect Uh, every other religion and every other prophet Love and cherish every other prophet that was sent by god before us Which jesus was one of them moses was one of them ebram was one of them Uh, I wish I could find this picture and I would uh, uh, I would Show you unfortunately, uh, I don't know what why can't stop the I have a super chat from shadow ramsey says that was too good Appreciate it. Somebody else got any super chats on my side. You want to send them in feel free I got a super chat from bitter truth for five dollars They say what the heavens and the earth that the heavens and the earth were closed Then we opened them and we created from water every living thing. Would they still not believe? Oh, I'm sorry. Something is uh Is uh edit going on to the super chat as I speak so Yes, basically, uh, if the edit doesn't change the uh, what I understood Is that uh, god said that the heavens and the earth was one, uh Was one met one mess at one point and god has separated them error. Okay So I'm sorry Error in the edit that the error is in the super chat. That's one of the words. I thought that was a Okay, maybe he can tag you and uh, and you can uh, see his question No, um, let me just reread it again. I'm sorry that the heavens and the earth were closed Then we opened them and we created from water every living thing. Would they still not believe? Yes, god is giving you signs not science God is telling you the signs use the signs you're supposed to prove them with your science You can find you can use some science as a ground for prediction Okay, and uh, you know Uh, you would love to to to to read what Noah said to his people when he was building the ark I would because he didn't exist. So yes, that would be impressive. Yeah, moses existed Nope, Jesus. Yep Abraham Nope So like there's a consensus in history that the matriarchs and patriarchs of the bible Uh, didn't exist. So abraham Abraham, I think it was Isaac. I don't remember. I think Daniel or david was the first historically accurate character in the bible Everything before that else was just made up No, no, no, no moses was made up. Um Joseph Thought which one yes the the one is the dad of jesus. Yes. No, no, no not not that joseph Joseph the uh, uh, the one that was in egypt Uh, I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think all those characters are pretty made up Okay So all right, we got another super chat from bitter truth for five dollars. They say there's no earth from after nine billion year What? All right, that's There's no earth earth from after nine billion years For nine billion years ago. There was no earth something like that Yeah, I don't know if he's talking in the past or in the future but uh, let me uh, let me ask you some some some of some of the some of the The the the problems that I find with the like when you know, what do you want to what do you want to? get to and then You you we get the same observations and we can look at them and we can wonder it could be this could be that could be this Let me ask you when you look at the Extra Deep field images You're looking cmb. Yeah, you're looking 13 billion years in the past, correct? You uh, you're looking at particles that were emitted 13.8 billion years ago Okay No, no, I'm talking about what you see in the image Those galaxies are because they say it's it's it's few hundred million particles Well, there are no galaxies in the cmb the cmb measures temperature gradient. No, no, no I'm talking about I'm talking about the Hubble extra deep field. Okay Yeah, so so those are You're seeing light particles that were emitted by those galaxies billions of years ago Okay, and they say it was uh, it was just a few hundred million years after the universe Uh after the big bank I don't know the time period of when galaxy started to form Well, they say the universe is 13.77 billion years old. Yeah, the universe is 13.8 billion Okay, that's 77 that's around up to point eight Okay, so And we know the universe is expanding and we know that the galaxies that are ahead of us in the expansion once Once supposedly the space time is expanding faster than the speed of light Those galaxies we can no longer see them. Yeah, but we can but we can only see up to the ones We can actually still see Yes, we can only see the ones that we can see Okay, so how do we know that we're looking at the past of the future but not the The past how do we know we're not looking at the galaxies? That were actually That are about that are about to escape our field of view instead of being looking at the past How would you know how do we know we're looking at the past? I have no idea what you're asking are particles travel at a specific speed the speed of light And so if for the to be looking at the future they'd have to be traveling faster than the speed of light I'm not saying I'm saying you're looking at the past of the future I'm saying you're looking at the galaxies that are actually ahead of us that are not not galaxies That were behind us in From a few hundred million light years from the big bank. I'm talking about galaxies that we're no longer going to see I have no idea what you're what you're asking right now So like all of the galaxies formed the big bang happened everywhere at once so all of the galaxies are Are equal distance are equally moving away from each other like any any direction we look they're all moving away at the same speed They're all they're all the same Like is the farther away they are the faster way they go. It's not like There's a line. So it's like they all anywhere we look they're all going in the same speed Yeah, they're all going in the same speed all right Let's go with the question or comment from sunflower has been a member for 12 months They say if t-jump had a job and a wife he ditch atheism. Yeah It doesn't make sense. Most atheists have jobs and wives If I was a muslim I'd have a harem Oh, okay. No, you couldn't You couldn't Because I gotta I gotta clarify this part for you. I gotta clarify this part for you. So you would understand Okay, because a lot of people tend to get confused about that Okay, how many wives did Muhammad have? Uh, I'm going to clarify for you the previous point. How many was it like nine? I'm going to clarify Islam is actually the religion that came to put a limit On an polygamy before that it was no limit on polygamy before how many wives did Muhammad have Before Islam. It was no limit on polygamy. Okay. How many wives did Muhammad have? Before Islam Why are you evading the question? I'm t-jumping it Okay, so I should just say wrong Uh, so not because I want to stick to the book. You had 11 wives. That's the answer. I was wrong. It wasn't nine. It was 11 One of them was like six years old No, you were wrong. Uh, anyway Okay, so to I I'm gonna try to cut because we're in a q and a So Islam God in the Quran asked us to follow His commands his prophets commands And the people who are in charge of us. Okay so if I live in the united states I have to follow the laws of the united states. So if you like states laws says one wife I gotta marry one wife if I move to yuta and yuta allows me to marry more than why one one wife And I did in fact wanted to marry more than one wife Then the yuta law would allow me and then what we're talking about the age of the spouse. I'm gonna Go back a little bit I want you to look up I want you to look up What is the age of consent by country and I recommend for everyone here to do it Look up the age of consent by country And you will be surprised and then look up the age of consent In the u.s. I want you to know that it used to be 10 years old up to up to fairly recently in some states And until now it still varies. I believe between 14 and 18 years old So what do you think is right in in in the in this in the jurisdiction that you were brought up in If you think it's 18 other states think it's 15 other state thinks it's 14. So And we're talking about the year 2020. What about if you go back 2000 years? Uh, they were wrong back then they were just they they still think they still think it's wrong when you have a 13 year old That gets pregnant from a boyfriend not a husband so yes, there were there were Bad people in the past That did immoral things that we now know are immoral like Muhammad Also, I have a criticism from chili wilson. He super chatted that He thinks it's disingenuous to put the md logo over over the speakers He's complaining that the modern day debate logo is infringing upon my chair The modern day the modern day debate logo is actually just said for god upside down right it's over both of you. There you go Are you mean in like islamic? Yeah in arabic. I can I can show it to you. It's actually just said for god It could be a sign Well, James is christian. So All right from bitter truth for five dollars. They say men formed by blood clot Suar alak. This is scientific error Really? No, that is not uh, the question is wrong The question is wrong. Yes Get a better question better truth I know what he wants to say but that's but that's not what the Quran says That's not what wrong does not say that The the the the Quran said that the human was made from a from a fluid water Okay, and the Quran is describing the steps and you you can look you can look up professor moore m o o re which is a reference Uh, uh in in the field and you would see what he found out about the Quran what he said about the Quran, okay Uh, he's one of the highest Uh Decorated people in the field and he describes step by step what it says in the Quran and he ended up using These steps. So, uh, if somebody is not in the field, I would recommend they do not criticize What uh What is said, uh Okay, I'm still sharing my screen this whole time No, it's not showing. Oh, it's not elusive viper for five dollars. I say the topic is Is the Quran scientific? Why is samir trying to argue that the Quran is superior to science? Okay, uh, why I'm what I'm trying to do here and honestly, uh, um I'm I'm just being honest and truthful when I tell you that I love science. Okay This science is not something, uh, that was made for atheists. Okay, atheists just joined in Recently and and they built up on what what what what what what the theist people have done So but what the problem that I have is I find that there is so many Theories that are that are built upon each other without any of them being proven And then these theories will come up supposedly to a certain truth and then that certain truth will be used to challenge The the the religions Okay, and I find that this is this is genius this isn't genius and I find it wrong and I find it So so I this is what I tell you I tell you go back and fix all these These issues that you have with the science right now because I love it. I love I love watching the The the discoveries I love I like to see what What we can see with Hubble or with guy or whatever the all the the The space missions and all that stuff, but I'm telling you that Building these hypotheses. I and I told you I challenge you this is This is probabilities and mathematics. I tell you guys just go ahead and try it try 0.9 percent 90 high policy 90 percent chance to be right just do that times 50 Build 50 of these hypotheses on top of each other. You end up with 0.05 percent chance that the result will be correct okay, I've Super chat from bitter truth for five dollars. They say there was no earth while there was a big bang And earth formed after nine billion years. It's clear that karan is representing incorrect science No, that is not that is not true the the karan didn't say that earth came that That he separated like pulled the earth and the sky from each other like Like if it was a hair out of a dough or something like that. No, that's not what the karan says It says the earth is great before the stars number one number two I can You see I I hate to put the burden of my prediction on on the region but what I Okay, let's not even let's not even Go there the grant the karan talks about About and then god looks at the sky and it was small and he told the heavens and the earth come Willingly or forcefully and they say we will come willingly. Okay, so when we're talking about about stars When you look at the formation of the solar system the theory, that's something that that's something that I could somewhat adhere to When you look at that, what did you get that theory? You see that that it was a big cloud and then the sun formed in the center It was a cloud of smoke that was hot. It wasn't cold There was a cloud of smoke and the sun formed in the center and supposedly the planets all formed around it and stuff This part I don't agree about Okay, and and I I I don't even agree about the the the way supposedly The the the gases or whatever just come together Because I believe that theory is flawed And and you can try it you can try to spray something out of a can in a year and just Wait a few billion years and see if everything is going to collect back together. That's not that's not going to happen Gases don't collect You only have to wait like 10 minutes it falls to the ground and comes together after like 10 minutes To the ground Yes, the gases they combine with other things in the air and get smushed Especially like So you brought the ground to save you out of this So I'm saying if you The gases how they come together is this thing called gravity. They get pulled together by gravity So if you spray a gas in the air, it's no gases dissipate Gases dissipate All right, when you blow fart it doesn't come together it dissipates. Okay Okay, Samir bitter truth wants to know if you are willing to debate them Yeah, sure. He's welcome anytime Anytime all right from Carlos Santana. Nice to meet you or have you in the chat carlos uh question for t-jump are Are people obsessed with the Quran because they prefer a classic story to modern stories Uh people are obsessed with the Quran because of cultural conditioning And the fact that it's promoted by the government and forced to be learned by people And if you don't you're punished and killed and posthates are killed and so it was spread by the sword And that's why they're obsessed with it because it's an idea that was spread and has this health thingy That makes people have some kind of motivation to go Uh believe in it and if you don't you're going to hell or whatever and so it's it's psychological conditioning Which is why people are obsessed with it That in farts. Okay. I would like to answer that question too because it is not true. Quran was not spread by the sword and Okay, I love making you laugh Uh me too Yes, uh, the Quran was not spread by the sword and uh, the uh, uh, if if if you look at at muslim History books and you see how how how the islam got to different places Of the world you just you just had another uh an interview uh recently a few months ago with uh, uh, With somebody must keep it short and pithy because it was a question for tjep and we do have to move on We have plenty of questions piling up in the q&a. Yes, no problem. I'll keep it short. So, uh, uh, Islam Islam went to I I he wasn't from pakistan, but he was saying that islam came through the merchants who settled in his country Okay, that's the history of his country, but tjep is going to tell him differently Muhammad spread it by the sword and if they don't convert they're going to get killed That was that was a thing he did a few a few times Nobody spread it to me by the sword How it works It's like uh the christians they conquered all the indians and spread christianity through killing everybody Oh, but it didn't but for me. I wasn't converted by the by by mass murder. So obviously it didn't happen for life Okay, and the next one is from april cox for two pounds If science contradicts the koran, what will you pick? Okay Let me ask you, uh, I really want you to think about this one If if I have an envelope here in an envelope here and I tell you this envelope Okay, we'll make uh tjep make a face It's a good envelope. I like that one. Okay. If this envelope has two outcomes You either lose Or tie and this other envelope you either win or tie Which one would you pick? Okay, this is before any proof before any reasoning before any morality before any Any any any other aspect of the koran or the religion Just just based on these two simple things if an atheist dies and he's wrong He's in trouble. Pascal's wagers. If he's not wrong. He ties. He becomes nothing If I die and I'm wrong My worst outcome is the atheist's best outcome. I become nothing But if I'm right, I win So, what would you why would you set yourself for an outcome? Where the best scenario is you will try All right, and from better truth for five now You got to pick up on that one So Pascal's wager is false because under atheism if you die, there could be a heaven without a god And so the probability is exactly the same for both And there could be a god who prefers atheists and only lets atheists in the heavens So again, there's Pascal's wager doesn't actually work to support the Okay, Samir quickly No, go ahead. You had the last word. No, okay So so so you're claiming that the that there is that there could be life outside of the the metaphysical Yes, you can have souls without a god. There could be a supernatural without a god Okay There could be souls. Okay. So so so now I'm just getting that the atheist's Goal is just to eliminate the god. They could keep everything after Everything besides god that the religion would promise they they're okay with that The only thing they don't okay with is the god No, the point is to prove Pascal's wager wrong You can have the afterlife without the god. Therefore you don't need to believe No, you can't have the afterlife without the god because who's gonna organize Who's gonna organize who's gonna organize for a bunch of atoms that came together In an insignificant place of the universe We really want to gather here and then to come back to it to be somewhere Those same atoms to be somewhere else in in another reality outside of brahman Brahman is literally an example of this. That's one possibility Okay, let's let Samir just have a quick last word so we can move on Okay, I just see that you're open to anything except for god Okay, okay. Okay from april cox for two to uh pound. No, I'm sorry from bitter truth for five dollars They say uh created humans from a clinging clot Here you go. This is the scientific error Uh, no, that is not uh, that is not uh, uh, that is not uh true I'll uh, I'll pull up the the the verse and you can see it Well, okay, let's move on from david horn He said the verse in the super chat so uh from david horn for ten dollars says if all human knowledge was lost Could islam be extrapolated from the universe without relying on divine revelation Uh Islam is the word of god So, uh, god would not be without a way if god said that his word would not be lost Lost and the proof of that is the quran across the world. There is not two versions of the quran I mean there are a million versions that is there is a million revisions That is million approved and not approved versions of the bible and stuff But the quran 1400 years later God in the quran said I have brought the re I have brought down the reminder which is the quran and I will be protecting it Okay, so and and that is that that is another proof That that god would protect the quran because there is not a single Copy of the quran that is different than what god sent them In the whole planet you can go anywhere on the planet You can pick any two qurans and they would have the same exact every dot is the same No, no, okay Okay, uh from co2 metal for five dollars. They say tom in your condition Are you capable of a normal loving monogamy in the future? Uh, capable. Yes, not really what I'm looking for but yeah Okay, uh from bitter truth for five dollars says, uh, surah. I'll uh on bia Verse 30 earth and sky joint together. Why are you lying? I did not lie. I specifically said and I hope you can bear witness that exactly what I said Is that earth and the The heavens and the earth were joined together as one mess Okay, and when I say the earth I'm talking about the ingredients to make the heavens and the ingredients to make the earth so what are you what do you call now atoms and and protons and neutrons and And every type of matter that you want to think of quarks or whatever And god separated them And it was a the universe was hot smoke and god told the heavens And the earth to then come that's the step later in another verse in the Quran And he asked them if they would come willily or forcefully and they said will only will come so There is no contradiction there Okay, and from bitter truth for five dollars. I said can you please set me up to debate with him? Let me know when he's available Bitter truth you can send an email to james at modern modern day debate at gmail.com. I believe and you can Get that ball rolling there if you've never debated before it might be more difficult. You can send other people Request to get debate started so that you can have some kind of an idea of where you are as far as that But yeah, it's a whole thing Bitter true elusive viper for five dollars says if islam is wrong and another religion is right you lose Uh, that is not true because the islam Came as the last religion after all these religions and it came believing in every religion that came before it We do not say that buddhist was wrong Even if they're not mentioned in the Quran because we're told that 124 thousand prophets and messengers were sent to humanity So we were told about 25 of them and that includes christians and And and and jewish people and it includes other prophets like ebraim and jacob and So so islam didn't deny the other religions They are all the other religions came from god all these messages came from god So if i have to follow a message i would follow that message that came From god and that's what happened That that that message didn't come from another entity the religions are not i'm not fighting with each other each one says I came from a different galaxy or Or another group of aliens that sent me or something they all come from god So this is the last message an updated message from god for humanity and I follow it. So I have no fear All right, I don't think that we'll be able to get to any more super chats after these next two We're gonna try to get through them uh from bitter truth for five dollars says sun set in murky water Also hadith Muhammad said sun prostate underneath of Allah Throne as permission to rise with Allah permission. This is error No, that is not error God said that he rolls The day he not actually if it makes any sense in english The word kora means ball kawara means to Make something in the shape of a ball. Okay And god says that he balls the night into the day and the day into the night So this is for those people that would claim that the islam talks about a flat earth or something It rolls like a ball So we have earth that rolls the night and the day will succeed like a ball around the earth okay, and then uh When when the prophet was talking about haineen hamita He was talking about the sun Setting down in the water because right now you go watch the sun set in the ocean You see the sun set in the ocean It doesn't mean that that star is actually set in the ocean. Otherwise you will see a lot of smoke It doesn't happen and when god talks about uh when the prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam hadith Talks about the the the the sun setting under the throne of god He's talking god's throne god and the koran said that his throne is bigger than That's the heavens and the earth so basically the universe That that you see in the universe that you know in the universe that astronomers tell you about god's throne is bigger than that Okay, we're not we're not a very tiny scale So i have no idea how this answers the question zero zero idea That's fine. I don't know what uh All right, uh last one Well, there's another one after this but I really don't think we're gonna get to it from bitter truth for five dollars says this guy Samir is really full of fun. He thinks we're dumb He thinks he's the smartest person i've ever met that one that was an interesting quote. I love that one Yes, I am and I for the reason for the reason because I don't think you met a lot of smart people All right, yeah, yeah, none of the professors have spoken to you. No, they're all dumb I'll know if they tell if they tell you infinity Added up together equals negative 12 Yes All right, and then uh bitter truth again for five dollars says moon split in two pieces and joint back nobody in the I'm not sure if there's any more of that nobody nobody in the world would Nobody in the world see even no scientific evidence. How would you prove that? Okay, uh two things Uh, I just showed you that the uh number one. He didn't say split The prophet said didn't say split said in shaka in shaka means crack The moon cracked we just we just I just showed you an article that shows cracks in the moon and it shows that the moon has cracked Over and over and over throughout history And I just gave you a theory from myself why I believe Based on the prediction in the Quran or on a prophecy in the Quran that the moon will will actually Crack before it actually destroyed into thousands pieces. That's why I start the video if you didn't see it I would love it if you go back and watch it rocks and cracks genius All right, and I think that it's the end of our super chat So that is the end of our q&a ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much for joining us Let me just uh get to where I need to go I had to put us are there only girls in heaven for islam or are there also women in heaven? No, everyone that lives here has a chance to go to heaven Okay So before we go, I just want to thank the moderators in the chat Thank you to james for creating this platform everybody in the audience who sent super chats and elevated the conversation The debaters who are the lifeblood of the show Uh, so like it if you loved it share it if you want to spread it and subscribe because we have plenty more debates coming your way Including tomorrow night fight the flat earth. We'll be debating howard. Um, so that should be juicy as usual so uh Ladies and gentlemen Thank you to everyone. Have a great night and remember keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable Have a great night