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That's how you can support the brand. And we love you. Man, check it, man. Hey, man. Listen, man. We're here today, y'all. You know, when I pop out, it's going down, man. I got a guy in here today, he don't need no introduction. As y'all know, I always say that, man. I always say that. Listen, man. This guy right here been on the internet. That's how I ran into him. He was screaming at the internet, like, nigga, this nigga pop, pop, I'm like, damn. What's going on? And that was last night. It was quick. It happened fast for me. Check it, man. My boy Trey is in the building, man. What's going on? What's going on? Y'all Trey Slack, man. Straight out of Eastwood. Trey Slack, Eastwood, Fort Worth, Texas, as usual in the building. A lot of niggas coming in from Fort Worth, man. It's crazy, man. I never would have thought when I started podcasting that all these Fort Worth niggas would be like they lit. Like it's a lot of talent over there, bro. Ain't going to lie to you. A lot of business owners, a lot of politicians over there, man. It's going down. And they like to rep where they from. Like to rep where they from. Let's get into it. So you want to raise Fort Worth, right? Yep. Raise with your mom and dad in the same household? Raise with your mom and dad. Same household. Really? You know, that's rare. Yep. Till I turn back, well, about 16 you can't start getting a little rocky. Okay. Yeah, split. Okay. So 16, how did you feel? How did you, you know, about that situation? Oh, well, coming from the hood, you know, it's kind of, it's kind of really, that's what you see. I know, but you did not see that in your household until 16. So like, but you have a household that's kind of like, they keep everything inside your household. So the drone that was going inside the household didn't nobody know. Okay. Until it just exploded with the parents. And then there come a decision on which way you're going to go. So I'm old enough to choose at that time, do I want to go with my mom and the rest of my brothers, or do I want to go with my dad? And who did you go with? I went with my dad. But staying with my dad, though, he was, at that time, the reason why the, the, the economy came was because of drugs, you know, by that time, drugs kicked in. And so, but my heart was with my dad at that time. But your other brothers went with your mom? My youngest brother's in my sister. I'm the oldest. Okay. Okay. How old was your youngest brother? At that time? Probably five. Oh yeah. So yeah, he needs to be a mom. Because I always say, when you become a teenager, you need to be with dad. So dad can show you how to be a man. I was like four years apart. It's four of us. Okay. So, um, but looking back at that situation, do you feel like, um, because a lot of times, um, families and you're grown now so you know certain things being an adult, um, do you feel like they should have stuck it out and work it out? Cause you know, every couple have their arguments and gonna have their riff and stuff like that. And they keep it in the house, but some, some families do actually push through and make it work. Some families say, you know what, we're going to split. How did that affect the kids? And do you feel like they should have stuck it out? Well, at that time, they couldn't stick it out. And with me, I'm the oldest, it was already understood with me. I can see it, but it was with the young ones that had to deal with it. You know, so yeah, that was the kind of, like I said, it was a little rough road, but it was easy for me because I was already at the age to where I can see and visualize what really was going on. Okay. Wow. Man, you know, um, when I, when I seen you, you on a barbershop. Right. How long you been? First of all, how'd you start getting into owning a business? Well, um, back in 2010, well, 2001, let me go all the way back to 2001. I ran the Boxman, Bruce, the keys and Bruce. Yeah. Well, yeah, Bruce, he been on here. Shout out to Boxman, Bruce, a man. That's my baby already. Now you sound good to me right there. Okay. Yeah, that's my boy, man. So I ran to him on Dick Word, you know, it was a transfer. We both was coming in. I was 21. He was 17. So he was coming in fresh on 17. You know, I met him during the fight. On an unit, on the unit. Wait a minute. We just see you can't just go jump into prison. Nigga, don't just jump in the prison. What called you to get, you know, bump your head? It was him bumping his head. Oh, OK. Yeah, I didn't even know Bruce. It was just something on the basketball court. And, you know, he don't mind me telling the story. That's my boy. You know, he kind of got a little in his little head and they went in to fight. And, you know, he got the best of them. Young Bruce, they didn't know him. But see the thing is, like, when you in there, you know, thousand footwork kind of run together, right? Right. And used to run, run together. Man, it depends on who you is and who your character is as a man in there. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Because me, I mess with everybody. What unit was your own? I was on Dick World, Wilders' Unit, Polanski Unit, Turrell Unit, Estelle Unit. How long did you do? But hold on. But what did you do to get in trouble to land you in prison in the first place? I had a south on two public servants. And I called XCC case, a quarter bird, a cocaine case. I was at one time. This is one night. And I beat up two lous at night and got away. Oh, damn. See, that's what made my story. So I asked, we had, I'm talking to the whole neighborhood at two thirty one, I'm talking, we got her spying to I'm nicking. Yeah, you got away just for that moment because they caught up with you. Right. I looked with me like two weeks later, two weeks later. How were you at this time? I was 20. So for the main fact, you fighting law enforcement, you probably felt like, you know, a Yago school had to kill me or your I ain't going to jail. Is that why you was fighting them? No, I see. Then nothing. So I was first home from the army, too. Man, that army be messing with people. I hear that all the time, bro. Yeah. Like, like, mentally, it'll put you in a place where you feel like, first of all, you want to be respected. And a lot of time, their respect don't come like that, to be honest with you, because you put time in, right? How was your normie? I was enough for like a year and a half. Not very long. Not very long. And when you was going out of the train, the hills, Agony, Measley and Heartbreak and Fort Knox, Kentucky, which is one of the hardest basic training in the military, really, in the army. They didn't give you a break because you had been in the military? Oh, no, because that's the reason why I went to the military. It was either go to jail or go to the military. And I went to the military with no GEDR diploma. There ain't too many people that do that. Now, I know that's different. I don't even think you can find too many people that went without a GEDR diploma. So did you get kicked out of the military? No, I left. Like I said, when I came home on a break, it was a one Thanksgiving break, I come home. And when I came home, like I said before, I left my dad was on drugs. When I came home, when I come to the house, it was like a full-fledged drug house. And I was like, hey, no, everybody got to go. You know, say everybody got to go. And then when I seen the money that kept knocking on the door, I just kept answering the door and I like, I need this. But you military, you making money in the military. Why you needed that for? We're making no money in the military. I get a check for a month. It's three hundred and thirty one dollars, private first class. That's how you get on. They ain't where the money comes. You're stacking it up and your benefits. So you so you got to be enough that you come into the P of one. You ain't making you ain't making no money. So how long after that? Before you got in trouble, I never went back. No, before you got in trouble. So that first day when you came home and you did all of that, how long it took you to get in trouble and had to go to jail? I was going to jail probably every other month. I was skip a year of six, eight, nine months. But back then it was number for like invading the rest. I wasn't going to let you catch me with nothing. She's loud. I just run for the hell of it. But you were saying, OK, so you're saying public servant, you fought and you beat them. Why did you do that? Well, they seen me across the street. I was at the store. I just left the club. James Club James. Everybody know. Club James from Dallas and forward side of James, man. So I had just left there. It was like two o'clock in the morning. And I was at the store on Miller and I had on our read. Right. I had on the Jamal, Anderson, Jersey, a red Jamal, Anderson, Jersey, red dickies and black and red airmaxes. So it's like four police cars sitting across the street. And I said, they're going to come get me. But when I pulled out, pulled off and make the block and one of them came and one of them came, I was I never forget it. I was in a rental car. So I really just thought he wasn't just going to run my place and just go on. So me being cocky at that time, I cut the inside light of the car, right? Suspicious. I did it because I was trying to really be in. Right. So like so he could see you. So you ain't trying to hide. I ain't trying to hide. And I could. Juvenile, said it off in his mother, you know what I'm saying? I would say it off and I'm coming up. I'm coming up to my baby mama's house. And as I turn up in the yard, he hit the lights. So when he hit the lights, it gave me no time to do nothing because I really thought he was going to go on. I was going to pull in the yard. But when he hit the he got out, he told me to step out the car. And when he stepped out by that time, I can only hide it in my private part. So by that time, when I when he told me to spread my legs and give me a spray of my legs and the dope fall fell, it's all in one big bundle. So as I looked down at it, I looked down, I look back up in him. And when he looked down, I caught him with an elbow and boom, there we go. And we were squabbling, squabbling, squabbling, squabbling. That's he gave me the hardest fight though. That first one. Because in your mind, you started doing that because you're like you didn't you didn't want to go to jail. I was not trying to go to jail. I mean, my baby mama's your everybody outside. So somebody come out here and you know what I'm saying? I got the dope in the phone. Right. My baby mama, she come out trying to help me. But she grabbed the phone and not know the dope. But if she had caught it, if she had grabbed the dope, then she would have gotten in trouble. Now, because I had the laws on you. Right. But he had already seen it, though, on the floor. But he couldn't he couldn't he was too busy with me with you, man. But then you beat him up and you got away. I got away. So they turn around and found it up on the floor. Right. So two weeks later now, they found you were. Well, let me back up. So it was one like it was one last law. Right. So I was like, man, I give because they had cornered me. And I was like, man, I just give. Right. I say, just don't make me. So that dude was all I don't like the old man. Like he was just like he was just left the desk job or something. He makes me not hit him. And when I hit him, I jumped and took out running by this time. One of the other laws is coming from the other way. Right. And he's going to shoot me. But this is Lady Lane. I ain't fading this job at this time. Don't kill him. She said, oh, God, don't shoot that baby. And that's why I always wear these hats right here. You know, God, you know, so that's what she said. Oh, God, and I'm running. I'm seeing him. And I'm like, I'm waiting on the shot and never came. It never came. So I always say on her, I ain't fake. Did you ever go back to her and talk to her and tell her thank you? That was my buddy. That was my buddy. That's that's the Eastwood. Ain't it? If you ain't from Eastwood, you don't know. I ain't fake from the KP block that they gonna know. Dang. Wow. That's crazy. So OK, so moving forward to. So how you ended up running your own business after all of that? Well, in prison, I got I had weapons. I had a 12 year sentence. I got a 12 year sentence for all of it. So when I come home on the 12, I did two years, 11 months on it. I come home and when I came on, I knew I was selling up, selling some more dope. It wasn't no doubt in my mind. You know, so you was not reformed at all. I wasn't reformed at all. I'm I'm coming after 12 years. I got a 12 year sentence, none act. But how much time did you serve? You know, I'm gonna tell you another two. I don't know why it was none act, because I know people gonna ask. It's because remember, I said my baby mama got the phone, right? They kept saying I was hitting him with something. If she would have left that phone out there, I would have got to aggravate it. Right, because they would have said the phone is what you did. Yes. So it kind of worked out in the way and it kind of didn't work out in the way. But as I came home on that 12, I did two years, 11 months. And I came and knew I was going to sell some more dope. I was at I was at six months. I got caught going to Big Springs. You know, I had like a nice little run in Big Spring, Texas. And on my way back, we got bumped. I ain't never seen a lot on that freeway from the whole time I was going to that one time I got pulled over. You know, everything happens for a reason. That's my favorite thing. And I had every sign that day not to go. I couldn't get the rental car. I lost my driver's license. My baby mama said, won't you just stay? When you a kid, you don't take notice of signs. Kids don't take notice of signs at all. No. Wow. I want to get into the barbershop you have. Right. How long you been on it? I've been on it. The barbershop I've been now been on it since two, I mean, two thousand. Corona virus. OK. Two thousand. Twenty one. Twenty one. Twenty one. It's the third year right here. March will be my third year. Wow. Successful. When you got into it, did your hell yeah, did you did you get into it to you want to keep it for a long time? I have no plan to get no barbershop. Really? No plan. My only plan was the mobile barbershop. I got a mobile barbershop. OK. So I designed this mobile barbershop in prison with my brain on a piece of paper. Would you and I cut them with the with the comb and the razor? Yeah. That's what I feel. They go hard, don't they? They go hard. They get your belly cut. It do. You get more. I think you're more detailed. Yeah. And that's why I'm good. But it's slow though, right? Because they comb and razor. I don't know. It takes longer though to cut it like that. Right. It's going to be nice though. Yes. You got time. You got time. You got detail you can get every heart that you want to get. Yeah. Yeah. But so the reason I asked you that, I know you're like, the reason I was where I was going with that was that like the other. OK, people, when I when I posted my news, you can use, right? I talked about you. I talked about what's his name, Kevin Spencer. I talked about Charleston White. I talked about just that incident and looking at the video that I seen surface last night. OK, but when I seen it, it was like, OK, people in the comments start saying, oh, they set him up. Now, I want to ask you something like. I seen you come from the back. You was in the video and you tried to shake Kevin. Yeah, his hand and but that didn't go that way. Right. So the setup part, I want to ask you like, like, was this a setup? First of all, was this real? That's what the people asked, too. Was this a real situation? It's thousand percent real. Authentic is authentic is hell. OK, now. Once he comes over. Once was it a setup? That's what the people want to know. No word near a set up. I don't know how he come up with that it was a setup. OK, you know, Kevin Spencer, I know of him. I know him through like I'm a blood. And the dude I call my brother, which we grew up in the same neighborhood we grew up banging against each other, doing certain stuff. So that became I used to idolize him in basketball. But once gang banging started, he went his way and I had to go my way. Right. And we just right around the corner from each other. Eastwood, you're going to turn the corners. Crypts, you're going to turn the corners to blood. So you always at odds with somebody. But it's always somebody in that neighborhood that you still like, you know what I'm saying? That you still got love for. He's just like it was a natural like a bomb with us. Like you got to pass for some reason. You know, that's how you was with Kevin. No, with with the brother with the brother. OK, OK, OK, OK. So that's how you knew him. That's how I knew him when it when he comes in, you don't know he's coming. I don't. I'm not a fact. I'm walking from the store. My father said I walked to the store. So I'm coming back from the store. And as I come, my phone ring and he said, bro, here. This is that's his friend. That's Kevin's wife. That's his brother because he's working in my shop. We just come together with the shop. So he said, bro, I said, I'm right here. I'm coming down the thing. So he come. He said, I got them shirts in there because I had been asked in the brother, give me some of them couple of them shirts. Yeah. But I'm thinking that he's going to get the shirts and give them because he been on the road doing everything. He said, I've been busy, bro. I think I get it to you. So that's how I figured I was going to get it. It was through the brother. But when he came because I used to cut, I've been cut in charge of her probably since maybe. 2019, maybe 20. So it's a long time. For a long time. You know what I'm saying? Because how he's working, he used to be in the Lexus when he first started in Lexus. He used to sit in the Lexus all the time in the car. That's what I used to be out here. In the alley, he's sitting in the alley and this is in my neighborhood. So I always knew where it was. I just go around there and talk to him. He brought King Boba Louis down here. We went and got him on my bus, on my mobile bus because I, and we rode King Boba Louis around. We came to my block, blessed my block. We did all that with him. And even after he left in, he turned on me for something that I was saying something about the police. And he called me all kind of stupid punk motherfucker. Really? And the old- So this wasn't the first time you and him had had issues. But you still was cool with it. Y'all still cut each other. You still cut his hair. It ain't nothing Charles and Duke can make me want to fight him or do something to him, man. He too little. No, but normally when he get mad at somebody, he cut them off. So he never really does- Now he talk bad about you, but see where I come from, I was raised in Eastwood. I had a basketball coach named Coach Giz, right? That's one of the hardest coach, best coach I ever. Then I went to the army with drill sergeants and all this here with me. And then I go to prison, man. You got to hear all kind of talk. So you used to all of that. Man, that talk don't mess with me. So- You know what I'm saying? So he what, you say it was 100% not a setup. So when he's in there, you just come to shake Kevin's hand. No, I picked my shirts. I picked, what? What you talking about? Was that you come from the back when somebody shook his hand in the video? No, I'm gonna tell you how- How did video get there like that? It's set up perfectly. It's set up perfectly. Okay, so when he come in, Charles is trying to put his, he going live. He went live, right? So when he go live, it go dead because my wifi don't work. I'm getting, I'm switching companies. I'm waiting on them at a two o'clock at maybe like a three o'clock to bring the boss. I was getting a new T-Mobile, right? So I'm waiting on it to drop in the mail. So it cut off. So he cut it back on again. It played about maybe five cell minutes then it cut off. So by the time we walking in the shop, he tried it one more time. He cut it on and it worked about two minutes and it cut off. And I said the exact words. So I said, God don't want you to play that, right? So as he sit down and I say, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to record it. I set it down and I'm thinking I'm pushing, I've moved it down to video if you look on your phone video, but I hit slow mode. So the whole time I'm cutting his heart, just thing is going in slow motion. Really? Yeah. So after the whole scuffle in, as I go back in, I'm going back in and trying to clean up. I look at my, I said, man that phone been recording. The whole time. So, but when you see, because Kevin, he had, from what he said in, this is Charleston, why he said, he had called Kevin Spencer a snitch or something. Called a snitch, whatever, going to tie him or less or whatever. I don't think you can under the sun to make a man want to fight you. Make a man want to do something to you. And if he knew they had differences when Kevin come in, he would sleep because he sleep a lot. He sleep a lot. He would sleep. He didn't even see him coming. Man, Charles would sleep on him. See you, see he, I know he was comfortable because my shop is very comfortable, home warming. You know what I'm saying? You really, once you come in, you're going to be the only one in the shop. The only time it's going to be like this, might be three or four people in there on a Saturday because that's how I gap it out. So everybody, because I don't want nobody sitting on nobody. You know what I'm saying? So everybody's scheduled. See, that's why I came up with my mode of walks because I don't like a lot of crafts. You know what I'm saying? You don't take walk-ins. I take walk-ins. Somebody can just walk in. Yeah, but I cut so good and fast, you're not going to be sitting long. You know what I'm saying? How did he catch Charles from slipping like that? His wife was in there too. And his brother was there too, right? His brother was part on the other shop with me. He's still part on the other shop? Hell no. So you cut him all the way off. He just come home though, didn't he? He basically, what he did, he basically like, he went P.C.'s, if you've been in prison. He was like, he went P.C.'s, his mama come up the third, they got a sheet and packed up everything. They get one bag. Like that, I'm talking, and Tim and me say, man, I'm feel vulnerable up here. Right? And I was like, what? You know what I'm saying? But I'm cutting my son and her. So this time I can't show no face in front of my son that I'm mad. So I'm like, I'm just keep cutting my hair. His mama say, yeah. The Lord know what's going on. The Lord know what's, I'm like, what's she talking about? Was this after Charles and that guy hit with the two feet? How far, how long after? This was the next two days. Next two days, because she was like, that's the place. She came up there and blessed my building. Said, I like this spot, it's warm, it's close by the house. You know, I see you can grow right here. And man, we talking, he was dying women her. He was dying my her. So he was getting a big following off of me. He was, you know what I'm saying? He was getting a lot of business. And man, that man come up there in 10 minutes and wrecked that whole thing from what we worked on from prison to the streets. Charles had come through there like a tornado. Well, let me ask you this. Charles, he had some brown in his hair. I don't know what that was. Bro, listen, bro, I seen there's a big brown patch of stuff. I don't know what y'all, what is y'all putting on people heads? Is that dye? What the hell was that? So his brother just got out of school. His brother was going to a pile of myths, right? So he got the dye game down. He kept doing white folks. So his brother put that dye in his head? No, I did. Oh, you? I did. And what does the dye do? So, like I said, I was cutting Charles and her first. So when he came home, I figured he was going to. Take over from him. I was going to relinquish the duties to his brother. But when he came home, when he went to school, he jumped over his brother's head and went to the dude over a pile of myths to a store cutting his hair. And I'm like, whoa, what kind of move is that? Right. You know what I'm saying? So even when he came up to the shop, to me, I think he going to let his brother cut his hair. He said he wanted me to cut his hair, right? So I'm like, oh, so I'm still the barber. What is this dye? You won't tell me what kind of dye it was. So his brother going to the school, right? So his brother then came up with this dye. Or his brother is suspicious. So you were using that dye that his brother did. That Kevin White created, right? He didn't create it. So we tried it. It looked good. It covered up your bald spots. It filled your hair. It's going to give you a razor edge up. So guess who we was going to name? What's your name? The Charleston White, because he got that spot up there. You know he got that spot up there. Yeah, he got that spot up there, right there. You know he got that right there. So we was trying to come away to cover that up. So this was going to be the, it was a lot of it. It was a lot. But see, it was brown, it was goldish brown, but that's the process of it turning his hair black. Okay. That's just the process of it doing that. I got this question about that. Because with the dye, right? Okay. He was halfway done doing his hair when the scuffle started, right? His hair wasn't finished. He still had that dye. It wasn't done. It wasn't done. But at the end of everything is finished and he did this video in the back of the ambulance, his hair was done, looked like everything got done. So did he come back into your seat and you finished up his hair? Well, all I did, I had already cut in everything. It was up, so all I had to do was really wash it out. Wash the dye out. So did he wash it out? Well, at the time when it happened, right, at this time, it's 5.15 when the ambulance, is the ambulance pulling up. I mean, I'm telling you, because you know, his brother's part, I don't love it. So my daughter's at date cur at 5.15. Yeah, I'm already late to go in and get her, right? So I got to go. I don't care what they talking about no more. I got to go get my PC too. You know what I'm saying? So I got to go get her. You know what I'm saying? So I run and go get her. I tell him he's gonna be all right. I'll be right back. Wash that dye out to her, man. You know what I'm saying? Because we see y'all righty, just walking back and forth pace. Upset. Upset. Which he should have been. But let me, I gotta ask you this, man. Can we all go back into this video? That was two parts. Now this video is chopped. And you said, you said I'm chopping this thing up the way I want to. I want to understand. First of all, in that video when you done that, why was it, why was the anger? Did he say something to you? Cause you was like, the detectives already got it. And what was the anger for? Cause I've been, no, this happened in November. November the second. Yeah. Right, so y'all know y'all just now seeing this. Yeah, I remember that. And I remember somebody had told me that it was a video. And I was like, man, damn, it's a video of the fight. Cause you heard about it, but you didn't see none. And I'm the type of dude. I'm like, if it ain't real unless I see it. So when I heard about it, I was like, man, I wonder about the video. So you said November, when I got the call, you had, that was a video. That was a video. Okay. But see, didn't nobody know I had the video, right? And then I didn't know it was another video on the other end because the dude on the other end at the other bar shop, he got one on the outside of his wall. Is that why the other picture came from? She would stand in one of the other shot from? The, where his wife was standing in front of him. Oh, that come from my phone. Okay, okay. It's another phone. It's another video. It's another video and nobody seen again. You see, I got another video and nobody seen the word show. This is where he kissed the case at. You see what I'm saying? This story really deep. Wow. So there's, will that video come out or? You know, I don't know, man. I might put it out. Well, okay. So I'm here. It might play with it. Do you know what I'm saying? It taught me to have fun. You had fun on what's this now? Yeah, yeah. What man? And I ain't been saying nothing. And the reason why I didn't say nothing is because you say his man hit you with a gunner, right? Yeah, that's what it was. What that man did, that was so disrespectful because where I come from, I at least would have tapped you. Hey, I told you I was gonna catch you. You know what I'm saying? I got you now. Or not hit a man while he's asleep. But the things that he said to a man, I'm coming to get you wherever I see you. And as I talked with Kevin Spence, he said, I don't give a damn where he was, Tray. He didn't care where he was. I don't care if he was at church or I was gonna get him. You know? So, that put me in a hell of a bind. That's what I, and that's why I asked you, like this was your business, man. This my business. And you and business, this is a business. This business been here for going on 18 years. Autocations, if they happen here, I'm gonna feel very upset because this is a stable in this community. People know this store and they love this store and they shop here and they grew up shopping here. This is where people love to come. Like, and so I was going to ask you that question like, damn, like, this is your business. If you was, how would you set somebody up at your business and you put all your money up like that? I didn't preach, I didn't prominent preachers. I do back to school, get away. You don't want that. I don't want that in my shop. And I'm a felon, right? And I know his brother just come home from prison. He's done 31 years. And for you to go and say, it's a gun and you automatically endangering your brother. So I'm thinking, trying to think for your brother, I'm trying to think for me, you say he didn't hit him with a gun, not just for real. Now everybody know, now say if I don't say, he say he hit him with a gun, right? And I don't say nothing. I don't say nothing. I just let him go along with that life. He hit him with a gun. He know this man as a federal. He know all he gotta do is get caught with a gun. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's intensifying. It's over. You already had a major case. Wow. So if I just let you say he hit him with a gun and I don't say nothing, what kind of wrath you think gonna come down on me? That's real. That's real. I agree 100%. But what I wanted to get to, because you see some people who watch him may not have seen the video and stuff like that. So I really wanted you to walk me through this part. So you was cutting his hair. You were doing his hair, right? Right. There was another guy behind him cutting. When this man walked in and you saw when the man walked in while he was sleeping, right? You saw him coming. No. You didn't see him coming. Uh-uh. So when, because you know when you walk through a business, especially at barbershop, you hear ding. Right. Because normally barbershops you having a ding on the door. So my barbershop, what you call what you got to come through a main door. So we got two ends of the door. My door, where I sit, my church is right here and that's the door. So if he was carrying through this side of the building I would have seen him come through the door. So he came through another. He came from the back side of the building. So when he come through the back, so my church is right here. And your back is never locked. Huh? Your back door is not locked. The back door is because it's another barbershop on the other end. Okay. Right? It's a barbershop, it's a church down there and it's a her salon down there. So he came in from behind you? From behind me. So when he opened the door, I don't recognize this Kevin Spencer. I just recognize a dude and me being a gentleman. I'm gonna shake your hand cause you coming into my barbershop. But as this shake go, he punches him. Yeah. And I'm like, whoa. You know what I'm saying? My mind like, and I say, this Kevin White and this Charles is Spencer. Oh my God. Yeah, this Charles is the White and Kevin Spencer. I got the, I grabbed him. You see what I'm saying? But the brother back here too. What the brother? He didn't come up. Yeah, his brother. And what did his brother do? That's his brother standing right there. That's his brother standing right there. I didn't know that. And what did his brother do? He didn't do nothing. He didn't do nothing? Yeah, Kevin White. My brother in there and seeing that and like you would want to do something to help your brother. That was Kevin White. See, I didn't even know that. You just, yeah. Oh my God. That was his brother standing there. That's his brother standing right there. But I ain't no lie. I take a look at that two ways. This man just done 31 years in prison. Don't want to get in trouble no more. You don't want to, you know how scared he probably was? You know all the thoughts that was going through his mind? So I kind of played. I was like the same thing. Get back. Don't you do nothing? You know what I'm saying? I didn't say Charles said get back. Don't do nothing. So he was in a, I want to help you. I want to. So Charles said that to him, his brother. But at the same time, Charles was asleep. Everything should have went out the door. But then put myself, okay, being the unbiased person that I am, put myself in his position. I would be blaming you in some form of fact, because somebody is asleep and unaware of what's going on. And you're in my head. I'm feeling that you are seeing my whole surrounding. So you should be the one tapping my shoulder something crazy coming up close to me. Am I doing drugs? Or I'm trying to fade to a hurry and good. I didn't know I was no security guard. I'm just saying. That's what I'm telling you. My job is to concentrate on your hair and get this line and have your ears just straight. Not looking around because everybody come through my door is important. You know what I'm saying? I ain't got no enemies coming through my door. I ain't got no beef coming through my door. If Charles and came through my door, he, I know he felt safe because I know why he went to sleep. But you know the type of person that he is. And you know that he has a lot of enemies because of the things that he says. Man, this child see him on the couch with Trap Boy Freddy doing on this podcast. Did he tell Trap Boy he gonna bust his house? He gonna do all this? And then you got him on your podcast and y'all buddies. I don't know what you got going on, friend. I don't know if you acting. I don't know what you got going on. So my thing, I'm just gonna cut her. You know what I'm saying? I ain't never, that's the furthest problem I ever had in my shop. That's the furthest problem I've ever had. The only other problem we had was the other barber got shot on the other end but he got shot at the store. And he ran back down and I knew he wasn't gonna make it if he keep going. So I had him lay down in the parking lot and provide pressure to him to the ambulance cane. And that's why they say it's a high crime area and such and such, cause it is. But if it's a high crime area and you got a barber shop over there and you got a mobile, don't you think it's kinda like trying to re-gentify that area? Oh yeah, for sure. Don't you think somebody have chosen why it's sold into the community? Won't you think he's supposed to pull into that? Don't you think he ain't paid for no kids around, no other place? None of that. I funded his brother when he come out. I've rocked him out the door from the prison. I got pictures from us in the barber shop inside the prison. To him doing my hair outside the prison. Do you think I tried to set him up? Wow. So hold on, his wife was in there too, right? No, she wasn't. No, she wasn't. So where did she appear from? Because in the video it showed her, it showed her with a... So after the commotion, this I almost over with. Right, so this is... And she has a thing around her neck like she was getting her hair done. Cause it's another salon upstairs. He don't even know his wife up there. You see, he gets the lady up there. How he don't know where his wife is? They doing what she doing? They doing their... I don't know what they're doing. I don't know what nobody... My wife don't know where I go. So she was there, she ran down there, she nod. But she ran. She ran down there over there. Somebody ran down there. Everybody ran down there. You can hear it, you can do, do, do, do, do, do, do. So you got people, it shops upstairs. So everybody here, so everybody come down the stairs. And she didn't know her husband was down there. No, when she ran and seen as him, she automatically ran over to him and jumped in front of him. That's what threw me off. Cause I was trying to figure out how he got the mop. But see, as he thought... He got the mop and she in front of him. Cause at this time I'm wrestling with Kevin Spencer. He wasn't got a mop. I'm trying to say, he was man, get in the closet, man. So you can come this day. I can get him out the door. You were trying to get Charleston to get in the closet. I'm trying to get his brother in here with him. Right? But Charleston keep agitating the scene more. Bitch ass nigga. So as he grab a goddamn water, my spray bottle, and he gonna hit it. And that's how you know he know it ain't no gun. What's that gonna do? Let's try and find out. What you gonna get somebody? You gonna get an alcohol bottle and try to hit somebody if they got a gun? No. You not gonna do that, man. You playing on the world right now. You playing with my livelihood right now. You see what I'm saying? Why would you lie and say that his man got a gun but you trying to hit him with a spray bottle? Trying to hit him with a spray bottle. I ain't the smallest detective in the world, man. Like I told the tip, because I lied to the tip and told me it wasn't no tape. Yeah. I'm saying really why I told him it wasn't no tape because I feel like, hey, that was right here. Yeah. You don't like that. Let that die right here, man. Fort Worth already. They think we crazy out here. But what made, okay, after a while then what made you release the tape now? What made you release the tape now? Because this man went to jail. He come out and said, Trace Slack. Nah, before he went to jail, he said, yeah, Trace Slack, release the tape, Trace Slack. Release the tape, Trace Slack. So I'm still like, so by this time detective won't call me. So detective won't call me. He said, he said, you got a wifi. I said, now I ain't got no wifi. You got, I ain't got no tape because I didn't have no tape. You know what I'm saying? I didn't know I had no tape. So as a, he keep talking, I said, there ain't no tape. It's my phone. You know what I'm saying? He said, you say it on your phone. I said, yeah, it's on my phone. He said, well, can I have, I said, no, you can't have my phone. I don't want you to have, that's mine. You know what I'm saying? So at this time now I'm thinking about Tarzan, I don't know if Tarzan smart. So I don't know if he playing no games, right? If he want me to release the tape so he really can get them in trouble, right? But couldn't they get a warrant to get your phone anyway that you had to give it up? I could just throw my phone away. Yeah, you can. Right? But at the same time, I still got in my ear and this is my ear in my head saying, this man hit him with a gun. That's where I come in to play. Because it incriminates you and his brother. It incriminates all of us and it's putting a look on my shop. So I get something and I say, well, he hit him, but it wasn't no gun. Because when I get back in, see, don't nobody like y'all camera right here, right? So everybody is over this way. You see what I'm saying? Don't nobody even know this camera on. Don't nobody know the camera isn't here but the camera. So don't nobody know what's on the camera but the camera until I walk back in. Hmm, it seemed like it covered a lot of stuff. So if there was, I've heard all type of things I hear. There was he, you hear him in the video, say, get the pistol, get the gun. You hear that at the end. Through choice? Yes. Like when when when he ran out of here and and and he heard a holla at the end of the video. People are wondering what happened after this, after the camera goes, after we stopped seeing what you revealed to us. Right. So as I say, I get them out the door, right? So by this time, I can kind of close the door, but Charles, the wife is trying, he trying to get to those, she blocking Charles and so he don't get out. He ain't really trying to get out. You know what I'm saying? He really did, but he got to put on the show cause this his wife. You know what I'm saying? So as he got though, he running his cars parked right at the door. So when he go out the door, get the gun, she telling him, no, don't get the gun, he got me fucked up. So by this time, they didn't made it down the stairs. So the other boy was the one that just got shot. He already pernored. You know what I'm saying? He hearing gun, he never, he tell them to go, he told Charles he ran in the restroom, but the dudes is already ran out the door. So they gave them enough time to get out the way. So by, I'm kind of just sitting in my shop now, like, man, so I'm finally just going to run out the door. And by the time I see Charles and run, I ain't never seen no gun to Charles in the head. Okay. You know what I'm saying? And I see him run, he's saying, where that motherfucker at? So he run, I just like, don't shoot, don't shoot with everybody. Like, don't, I'm like, don't shoot. You know what I'm saying? So I ain't never seen a gun to Charles in the head, but it's one. Because I told you, the video, it's another video. Wow. So it's the other video. It's a video over the back side of the building that covers everything and it may have picked up. That's what picked up. And that's how Charles and God is a soft case. Oh. So basically, they got the both footages. They got, the laws got every, that's why I come on there and said, I don't cut the laws already. God didn't, they ain't got it trapped in the screw. They got it how it go. And that's why they picked him up. And that's why they, see he called the laws trying to get Kevin Spencer called up with the aggravated side with the deadly weapon. Yeah. So Kevin says, hey, I need that tape. I'm like, bro, you ain't getting this tape. I'm in the bag up too. This one, the key pauses. So after this fight happened right the next day, I showed Charles and white brother the tape. I, I, I, I text him the tape and shows him say, ain't nobody hit your brother with a gun. I got it on my phone right now, November the fourth. That's what, yeah. You text him the video. So he had the video. I text him the video, I text him a 44 second snippet of the video of the actual hit because he know he was helping. He was coaching me how to put the down. Yeah, y'all were both there. We were both there. So he coaching me how to do it. Cause I don't know. I ain't never died. Nobody hurt. Well, that was the first day you were there. That was my first day ever. So I really was in this. Do you think that you might have put a little too much on there? No, it was a lot. It was a lot. But then her was pretty in the morning. It was nice in the morning. The way he did that video on the back of the album. He looked good. If you look in the comments when he was back there, people say, boy, your head's up straight in the mud. That was telling me, yeah. So you telling me that you sent literally this video to his brother. And what did he say? November the 4th at 9 13. If you go back and look at this message, it's right there. And if you try to say that it ain't, it's another text up on it cause we keep on responding every day, every morning. That's probably the first person I talked to every day was Kevin White. Kevin. You know what I'm saying? What did he say when you sent that video to him and he saw it? I don't know. I showed it to him. That's how I sent it to him. He didn't say, oh yeah, you right? No, this is how I showed it to him. I showed it to him in my shop and I said, I'ma send this to you. And I sent it to him. You know how you show something? I'ma send it to you. So when you showed it to him in the shop, what did he say? No, it wasn't no gun. That's the exact words. No, it wasn't no gun. So I'm trying to figure out how do you say I set you up? For one, Charleston made a tape when it was an impromptu stop. I didn't know what that word was until he said it. I had to go look it up. It's a stop made where nobody knows I was coming. Exactly. So how can you say you made an impromptu stop? What that mean? I got a question, cause I don't know how Kevin Spencer, is he a big dude, small dude? I don't, I can't remember. Shit. That day it was November. I told you it was October 29th. I'm six foot four, I'm two, 15, two, 17. So he comes at those six foot five, probably about two, 92, maybe two, maybe close to 300. You know what I'm saying? Cause the reason why I'm asking you this is that if I'm mad at a person like that and I'm coming in and I hit him over the head, we gon' keep fighting, we gon' scuffle. It's gon' be a lot of everything. You can't hold me back cause we gon' be into it. So when I see a lot of him talking and you know, it just didn't make no sense because if you coming to really do somebody harm, you should see rolling on the floor, you should see punches, you should see. Well you don't get to see cause the camera was right there on my chair where I was doing his hurt. See it wasn't ever meant to pose to get none of that. He was just supposed to get tossed and hit it. That's the only thing. And see it's another thing. See we wouldn't even be talking about this right now and toss and fall. Father had Wi-Fi tossed him and he got his ass whipped on live. He was trying to get that thing to work and so I'm at this barbershop. You know what I'm saying, I'm over here with my brother. He was trying to come over there and put us on the map. I ain't don't believe that. That's what he was trying to, he was trying to come and put us on the map. He gon' pop it. Yeah, it was a surprise pop-up. Yeah. So were they fighting and scuffling on the floor? Who was? The only one who was squatting and scuffling was me and Kevin Spencer. Oh okay, because you was trying to hold him back. Yeah. So he didn't really just- The second he didn't get the second hit out, the second hit, the first hit was flushed with Charleston was sleep. So you really don't feel it. The second one, I was catching him at the same time as he was coming. So he was hitting the boy right in his mouth. Then why, I don't understand how comes he say you set him up then if you don't want holding Kevin back and trying to stop him from doing anything to him. Cause you coulda let him go and let him really go in on him if that was the case. Or Kevin coulda got on me or try to be in him going to fight because I got in the middle of that stuff or his brother, you know what I'm saying? His brother coulda jumped in. I don't want his brother to jump in. Everybody jump in and then this could be a problem. Yeah, because if you was trying to really allow this man to do him harm, you coulda just let him- I coulda just got out the way. You coulda acted like you fell and just fell and let him go. I don't know, no barbershop. But if you holding him like that. I don't know, no some barbershop that got a security guard. I don't know if it's a high priority. Like I did a guy for the MLB when the tits was running his beard. I went to this room after hours. You know what I'm saying? That's how you do it when you want privacy and don't nobody want to know who you are. You don't come to nobody's shop and go live and then expect you supposed to get privacy. I feel like you comfortable. Right. You know what I'm saying? If you going live, people know where you are. So what's the difference of me locking the door or whether they can just sit outside. They know my thing is bright yellow on everybody in the forward of note. That's my shop. They know how the inside of my shop look. Have you lost clients because of this situation? Hell yeah. Man, my shit look like a ghost town. So I know he got a little pow. Hmm. It's because you telling people not to come over there and nobody should get them. I don't know what you telling them but this brother packed, they got things brother packed up on the left. The women in there getting scared. They don't want to come to work. You know what I'm saying? You put a big damper by saying this. The lady upstairs, Rollinda Ab, she's saying that she knew that all this was going on. Yeah, you knew. Like don't nobody know you was in the building. Because you made an impromptu stop. Because you made a impromptu stop. Wow. Man, you was live. Because you were trying to go live getting me getting the shirt. Wow, that's crazy man. I sit back and I just think about those situations man. You say soon as he came, once he, because he had a flower pot threw at him recently. Right. He threw a flower pot at somebody. I'm sorry. And I seen that on camera too. And then they came and they dumped him. Them boys and Crockett. Right. He been catching some issues here lately. And a lot of people say they not real. These are not real incidents, but these are actual real incidents. The stuff he did up there, I didn't believe the stuff in Arizona. The little stage in the way he was do the boxing and all that. But this recent stuff in Texas. Oh, I believe every bit of it. What you think? I believe every bit of it too. But you live that you was there, but I know that everyone in Crockett, that was real. But the Crockett that you can tell that was real. That jumped from zero to 100 class. Quick, quick. But that surprised, that video surprised me too. Because you can see it coming. Like do bear say he been battle tested. Right. That's what he always say he been battle tested. So when I seen him jump down at that stage, I said, oh, this dude right here from the get it. So when Charleston threw the pot, now he from Fort Worth. Whoa, I'm glad he did it. You remember because you can't just keep talking about stuff right here. You steady coming to the stage. He got that forward blood in him. He gonna react. He gonna, he gonna take off. That's what he posted. I ain't mad at him that he did it. Right? Right. But at the same time, as he do bear jumping back up, he posted cop that dude coming up them stars. He had free reigns in him. You know what I'm saying? He had free reigns. You let that man go by you and get him like that, man. I don't know what you did behind the curtain. I ain't gonna count that. I can see the dude punching. Yeah, it was behind the curtain. We couldn't really just see everything. You had action on that stage. You was on the stage. Wow, that was a hell of a night. I got that one sent to me. You looked at it. You had time to pull your pants up. You did the side hop. You know what I'm saying? Everything. But I'm trying to figure out why he didn't slash him off the top like that. And then do nothing. When I really saved you, man, that boy was gonna, that boy coming out like Jason. You know what I'm saying? He got these glasses on. His one piece body suit. You know what I'm saying? Big old boy. So you really, when you grab, going back to that incident, when you grabbed him, you saved him. He could have really went bad for him right there. But at the same time, he know me too, Kevin Smith. He knows me. He know of me. You know what I'm saying? So you can see the resistance in him. He just really wanted to hit Charleston in his mouth and get on. It's like, leave me alone. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That dude big, man. I live way, so I work out every day, but that was something else. You're trying to hold him back. Yeah, that was something else. I'm thinking in my head, man, hurry up and get your whiskey, the other boy. How long do you think, well, how long did this last? Maybe about two minutes. Maybe two, two. It was quick. It was quick. Because you see on the camera, when he hit him with the first leg, you, he got a second, he got a second, but it's like he didn't hit him. I was doing, I was leaning into him by that time. That's why he didn't flush him the next time. That's why he didn't flush him the second time. So you saved it really, Charleston, from getting hit with that second blow hard. Right. People say, man, he should, I heard some dudes like, man, I'm from L.A., I heard one L.A. nigga say that. Once you opened my door, once the door almost hit my shirt. So when I'm standing there, I'm still like two feet. That's why I can see the hands shake like this, but when he opened the door, he already in my shirt. That's why he go by my hand. Like that, quick. Yeah. Because the door's still open. Damn. And so he hit him that second time. Then you see Charleston, he folds up. Right. He covers up. That's why I don't know what he's doing. Yeah. Because you holding over, he covered, but you holding on boy. Right. Okay. Yeah. Cause I was like, man, this happened, it had to be quicker with that. It looks slow motion, everything. Cause you said what you said, it was in slow motion. It was in slow motion. Damn. I know, I don't, like I always record my hair cause, but like Charleston, I was recorded for the next day, right? I always do, cause when he come on my bus, I was recorded and I don't put it out to the next morning. The next day, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Cause I don't know, even all my videos, I never put nothing out in real time. You know what I'm saying? It's just how I am. Cause I come from the hustling gang. Yeah. I don't like people to ask me where you at. And I couldn't hurt. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Cause my mind still caught up in that time. Like I don't like people to ask me where you at. You know what I'm saying? It's just, it's just like, cause it's just like, you know what I'm saying? Like where you at? Being nosy. You've seen Charleston rights since this incident? No. Hadn't seen him no more. Just see him online. Just see him online. And how people, you know, like when you, cause you was frustrated that day when you made that speech, like you was just saying enough is enough. I'm going to let you know, man. I'm not playing no more with that. Because I asked you to leave me out of this, man. I don't want to do this tape like this. I really won't even want the tape. You know what I'm saying? I really want to keep it forward, man. Why is you involved? If you don't, if Tarzan don't never say nothing, none of this never come out. Tarzan won't write to the thing, right? Tarzan won't call the laws. Tarzan instigated the laws on this case. The laws called me. The laws called Kevin Spencer. The laws came up to my shop. The Twisted Black told me something about this when he was on the show that, cause he came and did an interview and I was like, man, I already, it was a scarf at a barber shop. And he just gave me a little bit of insight on it. That last, that Twisted Black album of Cole. It was one, it was a few songs on that way. It was some, did you listen to the whole album? My favorite song was saying too much. Saying too much. That's it. That's my answer. My favorite song, man. Saying too much. Yeah, he was on it on that thing. Like the Fort Worth area, I want to ask you a little bit, but I'm going to get off Tarzan for a second pause, but the Fort Worth scene since Twisted Black came back, far as the music, man. How you feeling for that? How you feeling about how he's looking since he came on far as on the music scene? Man, I'm so glad he came home. I've been talking about he coming home for the ladies forever. Before I went to jail, after I come to jail, actually me and Twisted, I was in Big Spring and Twisted Black was in the next little town, I think when he got come somewhere up that road. So we kind of got locked up the same, maybe the same day, I believe. You know what I'm saying? So I really don't, you know what I'm saying? But that was always one of my favorite rappers cause he always kept it funk at town, even though he from Detroit, but he funk at town. Kept it real funk at town. Yeah, he kept it real funk at town. Man, my favorite one was that I'm a fool with it, man. And hustled him too right there. I'm a fool, yeah. I play that all the time. I'm doing my heart cause I'm a fool with it. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and it was some, you know, you heard things like, I think when he first came home, I think that's when Kevin and him shook hands or hugged. It was some stuff said by Charleston White on that as well. Cause me and Twisted was talking about it on here and it's like, you know, people, you know, Twisted had gotten asked a lot of stuff by Charleston because it was a lot of dissing. There's a lot of talk going on, you know what I'm saying? Like, like man, will it ever be, you know, it ain't, it ain't gonna, violence ain't gonna never stop, bro. But will it ever slow down? Will it ever, you know, will the city ever come together? Man, to me, I see it have been together since probably about 98, 2001. You know, it was a mix of like me, Zimmy Daniels, TK, Rooster, Dot. All of us went to TK and went to different schools. So you can go to Trump or TK from anywhere. So you got a lot of Crips. Eastwood and Stopsies were the only bloods, ain't too many bloods from Stopsies, they gonna go to Dunbar. Wow. You know what I'm saying? So I just wanted, I wanted to go to TK to play basketball to be away from everybody else. But gang banging started. Gang banging started. I heard, like I said, when you hear about gang banging over there, y'all, man, y'all had a lot, man. You had the gay Cript thing going and then he deducted, it was a gay Cript over there. And then you had, but then he, I think he said he wasn't with it no more or something after they, I think he went up to no jump and they say denounced to Cripping. But then there also, you got OG Purcell over there. You got all kind of people over in Fort Worth, man. You got, you got a, man, it's just a lot, a litany of people. You got have paint films over there. You got, man, you got, it's a bunch of. Got a lot of talent, man. Got a lot of talent, man. Basketball, football. Go, yeah, you're about to come home. Do you think that gon' change the scene? Go, yeah, I'm coming home. That's my boy. I really don't know him too much person, but he be in my neighborhood a lot. So I see him going and coming, man, but it depends on the attitude that he bring home because he a good leader to be a young dude. But he got to have the right people behind him. Like don't let him get too far off track. But just like Hunter Convray to come home. He ain't had the right people behind him. He gone back home. You know what I'm saying? His people just let him crash out. Yeah, you gon' do that. Your homeboys can't come home and just let you crash out. Like they let him come home on a mission to cause destruction. Yeah. You know? But look at you. You said that when you came home, you went right back to selling dough. That was when he was young. I didn't get my, I mean my grandparents or whatever happened to my grandparents. All that kind of turmoil don't set in on you? Yeah, you tell me what they got, how they passed me. I know. Got killed. That don't set on you? The first I hadn't had a number, I had two kids. My second son, my son was born while I was in the county. So I was kind of raising him through the jail cell. Yeah, through the jail cell, yeah. But see, my baby mama would bring him and just sit down and talk. So you know, I kind of just stay tuned like that. Wow, look, I'm moved about to wrap this up. But just going back to the incident and to the tape and you gotta get that second part. You think I can get that second part, man? I'm gonna put that all out. Well, we're gonna talk about it. We're gonna talk about it, man. We're gonna talk about it, man. No, man, I like to say, I thank you for coming on the show. Like I said, I just, I rich out to you because I was like, man, you know what? I like to hear what happened that day in detail because so many people jumped in my comments and they was so, oh man, he set him up. Oh man, that was a set up from the jump, man. Oh, that's fake. See, that's why I broke it down the way I did so everybody can see that it wasn't no set up. I just wish that everybody can get the outside of him asking me, I even made a tape, man. I hate you ever even asked me for a haircut. Really? Yeah. That's the only one with the trap, boy. I just wish you would have this guy gave him shirts and left. If you would have gave him shirts and left, it wouldn't have never, you know what I'm saying? But you asked for a haircut. Damn. And that David, that that, do you, do you think that because Charleston's been killing, do you look at this as a win for Charleston with this incident happening? Because we've seen the whole run of Charleston white. Charleston white has been on the internet like crazy. He's walking around. See, that's the only thing I'll be mad about is that he used my incident to get him some money because he always talk about it. That's right. He done trade slagged, I made me $800 off of this. How you think I feel? And I ain't saying nothing, I ain't getting none of that. I ain't, and I'm innocent. So you took a lie and made you a bunch of money and you didn't come back and say, well, I know I lied on you. Here, none of that. So do you think that this was a L or a win? Look like you said it's a win because you got all that money. It's a win for him. Because you got that money. Yeah, he got that money. But if he be lying, do you really believe, do you really believe that he got that money like that? I don't know. I don't know. I don't care nobody money. You see what I mean? That's what I'm saying. I don't know. But I'm just saying that's what he said. That's what he said. That's what he said. That's the script, that's the conversation. Man, like I said, it's crazy because with the internet the way it is, people are creating things and you don't even know if they real or not. You don't even know if they real or not. You don't know if they act then. You don't know if they, and with him sometimes he do be playing. How you say he, you don't know if he in character mode. Do you, man, let me ask you this cause I gotta say everybody this, man, how important is God man in your life, bro? Man, I'm a believer in God. I don't believe everything in the Bible though. No, but just. You know what I'm saying? But for my mom, grandmama, everybody, they real strong believers in God. I can't go and believe in God. Mom and him up there. Yeah. And the reason I ask you that is because all this stuff, man, it don't lead down the right road. You and I both know that. You've been running a clean shop, man, for the last three years going right at, man. In a mobile shop since 2004, 2016. So you really got passion in this. You really put your skin in the game in this, man. And like I said, I hate that happen to your business because business is important as black men trying to have a little something in a community, man. The barbershop is a staple in the community of the conversations, the people they come through. It's a mental thing for people coming up with problems. You know how you got to talk people out of problems and they coming up and telling me they problems like me and my wife separated. Hey man, what you think about this? I need you to talk to my kid. I'm gonna bring my son up here and let you talk to him because I see what you're doing. Do you feel like that hurt with Charleston white in those antics being at your shop? Do you feel like that hurt your business? For the ones that didn't know me like the ones that people that will walk in but the people that's really been down with me. I ain't lost them people. You know, but the extra company, the money that just fall in on the humbug walk-in stuff, that ain't normal. It's like a little ghost town right now. Wow, because of what happened. Yeah. Because you spread the word that it's a bad spot. And it is a bad spot, but it's not a bad spot. You got comes from Veezley, Mark Veezley spot up there. You got where a fargo across the street. You know, it's just a typical neighborhood they probably just need. What's the name of your shop? Barber Shop Express. Barber Shop Express, y'all. 6800 Brentwood Sturk. 6800. We gotta get the business back up. We got to get the walk-ins back going. Don't let this detour you, right? That's right. Don't let this send you another wave because this brother right here, he got his heart in the barber. The cuts is pristine. He can even use the comb and the razor. That's what let me know. And we're looking for two barbers and one salon. Looking for two barbers and one salon. Wow, wow. So since Kevin White is gone now, so that mean that all your dye supplies are gone now. So you can't even use the dyes no more. Oh, let me tell you that. I even tried. Because me and him was so tight, right? I would call him and say, hey, bro, I got somebody underneath. They hurt died, right? And he'd say, nah, I think I'm gonna pass on this. Like he's scared. Like I'm gonna say, I'm like, bro, what you tripping on? You know I didn't have nothing to do with it. You know for a 1,000% fact that I didn't have nothing. That's why I've been going in hard on him here lately, man. He been all kind of bitch ass dudes to me. You remember straight up because you let this go on. I sent that to you and you could have stopped it. Hey, bro, that ain't the one. You see what I'm saying? You had all the action stopped there. So what is your motive for not telling him that? What is your motive for not showing him that? What is your motive letting your brother crash out and looking like a dummy? What you learned in 31 years? Is you a coward, you can't speak up to him cause he got the money. You scared he gonna cuss you out? Cause right is right and wrong is wrong, man. You let him drag me like that. Some people right or wrong, they gonna defend their family. You understand what I mean? Right or wrong, he gonna still always have his back cause that's how some family is. Yeah, but it's definitely. But we're playing a street game now, man. That went into, now you got my business but there really was some street stuff. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it's all about how you handle and decipher that situation. Wow, I just like I said, man, I want to see your business thrive, brother. You like me being a black owned business. It ain't many of us, you know, but to see you step out there on faith and open up a business coming from doing it mobile, you know, to putting it in a brick and mortar. I think that's superb, man. Like I said, man, and kudos to you for figuring it out. You know what I'm saying? Because a lot of brothers will never have a business. I've never opened a business up. Some of the same very dudes that had the incidents dealing with it hadn't opened up nothing. You know what I mean? So, man, you thank you for even being a pillar in the community. I would say, you know, I do a re-grain opening. I'm fly like that. That's if I was you, I re-grain open that thing. I go down there and get the city to cut a ribbon in front of that thing. And I keep it moving. Oh, we on it, boy. You see what I'm saying? We on it. Yeah, I re-do it again, because at the end of the day, you know, and I know if your heart is in the right place, man, God ain't gonna do them to give you a push. You know what I'm saying? You know, it was a, and I say this, man, you know, people don't like it because I talk about it because I can say, I studied and read, it's a story and everybody look, God named Joseph and his brothers did him role. And he say what y'all did to me for bad, God turned it to good. So sometimes God turned things to good just because the situation seems bad, doesn't mean they can't be turned to good. You know what I'm saying? So I just, I just feel like, man, you, if you stay focused and keep planting them seeds up there and keep cutting that hair, I'm coming through there and get meal cut. I got me one a day. Yeah, but, but I'm gonna come through there and level up what you let you give. I might get you to use the comb and razor. I wanna go back one more time. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna have to go five meter home now. You gotta go, we gotta break one of them razors down, right? But I already got them rat tails. See, I was off the bar, I had the ups on everybody, I had that rat tail. Man, thank you so much, Trayman, Traystax man. You have full work, man. Y'all stand up, man. Y'all be good, man. Go follow this guy, man. Go check his barbershop out there and full work out, man. But go follow him, where can they follow you on Instagram? You can follow him on Instagram, barbershop.com to spread 77. You can follow me on, I mean, Facebook and Tray Slack. Tray Slack's in the building, guys. And you too, Tray Slack at barbershop.com to spread. And I'm about to put that other part of that tape out. I don't know what's on it, guys, but I'm about to let him on. I'm about to rock, rock, rock, rock. Check it out. I got a good little insight for y'all too, man. I got a little real game, man. Change your mind and get the kids, man. Do something for the kids and give them some motivational talk, man. I ain't just about no haircutting. Wow, let me ask you this, because this is another note. A lot of people, and I'm gonna go back into Charleston one more time, because when our cat had him over here, we brought kids in. We did things for the kids. He was really a community guy two years ago when I met him. And we went to the juvenile man, Miss King Regina King was her name. And I was going out and doing stuff. And then we brought the kids over, gave them clothes and fed them and all that good stuff. Are you seeing those things happening now since Charleston have gotten his fame? Is he still doing that work in the community? That you've seen? I don't see it. I just see that he hoisting with the money he got, making everybody look bad. You know what I'm saying? How you gonna make money in the hood and talk about us? How we gonna support you and stand behind you? And how you do is call the vision, man. Forward looking for somebody to come through with some love, bring some unity to it. You know what I'm saying? That's where the power is. We've been here to stress it a long time in forward, man. And a lot of people know a lot of people and everybody know everybody. So we really a tight knit community, but you got little moles in there that try to keep us at odds because they know a lot of people pass. Wow. I just, I wanna see that whole man, all my black people over there, man. They basically, I love all my people, bro. Like I said, over there in Dallas, wherever, East Texas, Houston, Texas, San Antonio, stand up, Austin, Texas. It's going down, man. El Paso, Texas. It's going down, man. You say you hit all them damn units, so I know you already know what time it is. Yes, sir. Them units tell it all, don't they? Them units tell it all, especially if you don't follow that with the Mexicans. Yo, that was gonna be awesome. Yeah, he anywhere. Yeah, he anywhere. They everywhere. They anywhere. You can see West Texas, Tonga, you got all over, don't let nothing set off. Man, thank you so much for coming on the show, man. If you couldn't speak and you wanted, it was one thing that you would want people to say about you in the documentary. If you weren't able to write it and somebody was writing it for you. Boosting my boy, man. That boy almost really didn't boost it. No, that way. Boosted it, man. Thank you so much, Trace. Man, it's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101 where the bosses talk. And we out.