 I'm here with Walter Tresek, Walter is chairman of the consultative committee and there's been plenty happening at the UPU just recently. First of all let's talk about digital transformation strategy, just tell us a bit about this. Yes a lot of things happened at the UPU recently. We had our 27th Congress, the Abidjan Congress over the summer and it was a Congress where we saw that the UPU actually adopted its first ever digital strategy. That's very important because the future obviously is with data. The UPU did a leapfrog by introducing electronic advanced data on each and every commercial item cross borders. The UPU is currently of course the backbone of all e-commerce delivery and this is very very important about 75% of all e-commerce items below 2 kilograms are in the network of the designated operators based on the global network of the UPU. So what does this electronic advanced data mean for postal operators? What does it mean for governments and what does it mean for consumers? Electronic advanced data means that commercial items e-commerce can only be sent if data has been exchanged between the operators digitally in advance. For the authorities it means that there is a digital track on each and every commercial items globally available in a harmonized format. This is very very important because digitalization is the driving factor of the whole sector. What about the postal operators? What will the impact be for them? If you have data in advance you can streamline your operations so you know what's coming even before it hits you. This is very important even when it comes to the ecological footprint. So this is the link then also to the Green Deal. Data, Green Deal works together. Who is at the forefront? The UPU. So just quickly on this idea of the environmental impact of cross border can you just give us an example of how this data will help with just say reducing the environmental impact of cross border traffic? That was another big achievement. Austria, France and Germany tabled a resolution at the UPU conference to tackle the global footprint of parcel and postal delivery. That proposal was adopted and the UPU is the first special organization of the United Nations who is adopting such measures on the global basis for the whole sector not only for the designated operators not only for the member countries for the whole postal sector including of course the courier, the express operators and the parcel the non-designated parcel delivery operators. This is very important because it's all based on the data already available and we need to measure it and it goes beyond the postal network. It starts upfront and ends after delivery including of course the packaging and the content in the parcel. And you just mentioned designated operators and member countries what's the future there because it's been some movement on that front? Absolutely and we worked extremely hard over the last cycle to open up the UPU and we achieved a consensus. There are two major things. First of all to open up the UPU its products and services more work needs to be done and therefore the UPU decided to have a mid-term Congress in 2023 fully dedicated on that topic. But we also achieved a consensus using the consultative committee as the vessel for opening up the UPU for the wider sector stakeholders. Who are the wider sector stakeholders? The wider sector stakeholders are everybody who is not a government member country of the UPU and not a designated operator. Everybody starting from unions, handicapped people up to the courier express and parcel delivery operators and all the manufacturers currently here in Vienna. And so will this mean that they too will be able to reap the environmental benefits of the data transfer and things like that? Not only that they will be involved in creating those standards, creating those measurement tools and linked of course to the data they already need to supply in advance on each and every postal consignment. So does this really mean that we'll finally see that the postal world is not a closed one we are part of the wider e-commerce and delivery ecosystem? Absolutely that was exactly the target of the DG and DDG working in the last nine years on that topic. Thank you very much for joining us on voicemail today. Thank you very much indeed all the best thank you