 Hello everyone We're gonna about to do a show here. We're gonna about to do a show where I talk pretty for half hour With Rachel and Scott it's gonna be fun. It's my Midwest going on. I like it Yeah programming note, I am out tomorrow and Friday so Justin Robert Young hosting tomorrow and Roger Chang and Jen Cutter hosting on Friday plus a special interview with McAfee's CTO in the feed Just keep an eye out for that I'll just be back next Wednesday You'll be back next Wednesday, and we're gonna do Animation software. Yeah That's you for that. Glad that came up this morning. Yeah. Yeah, that was cool Always trying to think of a cool topic that one's perfect. That's good timing It's something when you just started off the top of your head mention and all this stuff that people use I'm like wait a minute Scott Scott just knows this stuff Well, we should talk about an area he is familiar with an Area of your expertise. Well, okay This is just one of those weird days where nothing. I mean I shouldn't say that Because then everything is gonna fall apart You just have those days sometimes where things work you were early He sounds amazing on her mic Roger's fine Haha, just kidding, Roger You're always fine Roger W. Scott is one just gave you the paste bin Face palm the paste bin. Oh, he always takes all the links and puts them together as a paceman. Well, if y'all are ready I'm ready. Yeah, shall we do it here we go Daily Tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday July 26 2017 I'm Tom Merritt alongside with Scott Johnson from the frog pants studios and frog pants calm How are things there Scott? I'm always happy to be alongside with people. So thank you for having me as always I love Wednesdays and I'm so stoked about our guests today. Yeah joining us today is Rachel Mets She is MIT technology reviews senior editor for mobile. Welcome Rachel. Good to have you on the show Thank you for having me Rachel wrote up an article that is something that I think I Subconsciously had noticed all of these stories with the year 2021 and you consciously noticed it and went and investigated and found like Wow, 2021 is looking like it's gonna be really cool if all these predictions pay off. I am so excited It is the future It is and it's not even that far away Finally finally the future is getting so close Let's start off with a few tech things you should know Kaspersky announced a global launch of a free version of its antivirus software for Windows Kaspersky free It's something that was already available in Russia Ukraine China and Scandinavia But it's now going to roll out worldwide over the next four months. Well, well done Kaspersky who I always call Kaspersky The USB 3.0 promoter group announced the USB 3.2 spec This has added an extra lane of data think of a faster little freeway If you want anyway for twice the speed a USB 3.2 host connected to a 3.2 storage device over a super speed cable Could theoretically transfer up to two gigabytes per second. That's pretty impressive for that spec And if you are wondering USB type-c cables can support the USB 3.2 spec As if USB and its iterative nature is not confusing enough here is yet another weird thing Yeah, it makes me Thunderbolt USB-C same connector just just make the first of all make the connectors the same I actually I know Apple jumped the gun on it But I support eventually having all of everything be reversible USB-C connectors and then Thunderbolt may still be a little faster But you know give us multiple protocols that are super fast. I'm all for that. Amen. Yeah All right, here's some more top stories Apple and a company called Cochlear have partnered on making the Cochlear Nucleus 7 sound processor Stream sound directly from iOS devices going to work for some versions of the iPod iPad and the iPhone Nucleus 7 is hearing aid. It's surgically implanted And you can control and customize sound on the implant from the phone Because Cochlear's newest processor can be controlled by the phone directly. It's not Bluetooth Well, it actually might be using Bluetooth, but it's not through your Bluetooth settings You don't need to download an app either. You just go into the accessibility settings and you can pair it from there Rachel this this sounds pretty nifty like if you have to wear a hearing aid now You don't have to deal with an app or any kind of weird connections. You can just have it pipe in directly It's an interesting idea. I'm really curious to see how this actually functions To actually see somebody using it and see what they think of it because we're seeing a lot of companies that have been making these non Hearing aid assistive hearing devices that work, especially with the iOS So kind of curious how this one pans out It could actually be interesting since there are a lot of people that use iOS who probably some of them have hearing problems Yeah, you're seeing it more on that platform because of It being a more unified the health kit platforms a unified Platform across iOS devices. It's one company making one phone. We're not dealing with a bunch of different phones You think that's a Problem for Android moving forward that the the phones are so diverse. They can't you know settle on standards that might encourage these kinds of innovations I mean, I think in general. Yeah, that the fragmentation I think is a problem like having like on Android as you noted well besides there being all different kinds of phones There's so many people using different kinds of the OS, you know, you've got some people on a lot of people on older OS is a few people on the newest and greatest OS So it's harder for developers, especially developers who haven't already made a ton of apps to Roll out an app and have it work with a lot of people's devices I think that's why in a lot of cases developers are like we're gonna start with iPhone and not just here but in this in this kind of situation where you want to make sure that It's like this really great experience because people are counting on it to help them in their daily life in a very important way That yeah, that would not be surprising to me if you see people going more for iOS at least initially because and I as as I understand it As I understand it He's very excited about what I'm told is cochlear Roger Chang our producer said that I wasn't gonna correct you Y'all can have a good laugh at how I pronounced it with my Midwestern accent, but it's Cochlear anyway Yeah, Apple Apple has done a lot Specifically for this kind of connection So it wasn't even just leveraging home kit although it's kind of part of the same general effort They worked directly with cochlear on this to say let's figure out how to better integrate hearing aids in particular Into the operating system. So pretty interesting. Yeah, I agree starting Wednesday Google will no longer show you search results as you type them on the desktop as it stands right now when you do that You kind of get this brief delay and then you get your results It's a feature called Google instant with more than 50% of all searches being done on mobile these days Google says it wants to focus on making search faster on all devices But I don't understand is why remove it. I guess is it Does that bandwidth they could use in some other smart way? It's a it's a fair question my guess is they they don't want to use this on mobile and They have an idea for something on mobile that might be a significant change in behavior and It is good policy to have the same behavior work generally the same way across platforms So they probably looked at the usage of it and said how many people actually You know click on something before they finish typing or how many people really use this Situation and and decided to just dump it for for uniformity sake is what it sounds like to me Yeah, Rachel. Have you ever I'm trying to think if I've ever clicked a result on the desktop page before it I finished typing. I don't think I've ever done it. Actually. Is that you ever done that? Really, I'm not yeah I mean honestly, I have a hard time thinking about if I've done that which might mean that it doesn't matter if it's there or not I Kind of trained myself to ignore this because when and they first launched this back. I think it was like 2010 I Kept getting distracted But you know I type in the first word and it give me all these search results I had nothing to do with where I was going in a multi word search Yeah I think that's part of it and I think we may have just explained it ourselves by trying to think the last time We did this I think a lot of people are doing it on the on the one hand though I'm always I have always been impressed though when this first started happening with Google I remember going dude, that's cool. It's like it's like it knows what I want before I know it Like it did give you this feeling that Google behind the scenes knew how to feed me information quickly and efficiently But maybe the use case just isn't there. Yeah Android Auto Google's in-dash car operating system has added ways and people who use Android Auto and ways are very excited about this The Android Auto version of ways has most of the features of the phone version a few differences one those pop-up ads Don't show up. They do have locations for partners along the route But you don't get the little Taco Bell ad or whatever when you hit a stoplight also missing are the car pooling option Being able to beep in other ways users gas prices not showing up for some reason and map chat Some of those make sense You wouldn't really want the social beeping and map chat on the car in-dash interface speedometer and the ability to add hazards by voice Are expected to come in future updates? They're not there now that they said we we are going to work on adding those and you can use a bunch of other voice commands It's nice because it feels like I don't know I've been hearing for ages how People who loved ways before it was purchased by Google were upset that it's just sort of sat there and hasn't changed much It kind of just continued to be ways and Many and most assume that it started to tap into the the I guess the broader infrastructure that Google has behind it Or could provide for it Well and vice versa, right whenever I use google maps sometimes I'll get a different route than ways would give me and I wonder why Yeah, yeah, I think I mean This isn't like a giant innovation But it's a sign when google does something with a with something they bought and then seem to sit on for a long time Always makes me nervous It might be going away or they don't care about it or it was a weird inside project or was a way to eliminate Possibly some competition and then they just didn't know what to do with it But this is a sign that maybe they do so if you're a ways fan I don't think there's much of a downside here and these things that it's missing in car integration could certainly be added In the future it sounds like Oh, sorry, what were you just going to ask if you had a favorite navigation app? I mean, I tend to just use um google maps But my mom in particular is a big fan of ways and I'm and like she's always telling me about like Oh, it told me to take this weird route to your house or this weird route And so I'm wondering like if this would this make it so convenient for some people that maybe if they hadn't used ways before now They'll be like, oh, I should try ways and then we'll have like all these people taking the same weird route to get to You know from point A to point B and then you'll have you know more people like in san francisco You'll see people like zooming through these side streets randomly And you're just like what why are you even here? And then you're like, oh they must have been sent on a weird ways route So I'm curious if we'll see more of that which could really piss off some people who live on typically quiet streets We've had a couple stories in la about neighborhoods that would go out and fake ways data To make it look like their street was congested By by just turning on ways and driving up and down their street a bunch And then ways adapted to it and I guess it doesn't really work But but yeah, there's there's side street people who live on side streets get get upset about that sort of thing Yeah, well rejoice everybody your app isn't going away turns out I don't know if that many people use android auto yet for it to cause a significant Change but well, maybe this is a boost use of android auto in other words You know, this is this is tapping into another loyal base of people using an app. Why not see for whatever it's those That seems good uh u.s district judge william connelly ordered apple to pay an additional 272 big ones. That's millions of dollars to the university of wisconsin madison for a total of 506 million After failing to pay the original fine Uh warf warf received the original verdict in october 2015 after apple was found violating a patent on a predictor circuit Uh, this was used in the a7 and a8 cpus that you would find in phones of the time The patent expired in december 2016 and apple is appealing the original verdict Yeah, I everybody's getting pretty excited about this. Um apple's still appealing the verdict Which is probably why they didn't pay in the first place And so good move on wisconsin to get you know to get the vine extended to say hey They haven't paid for a couple years now So they should owe us more money for that if if they end up losing on appeal Which we think they will because we're on that side of the argument Um, this is kind of pocket change for apple though, isn't it? Yeah, I mean They could pay me that just to get out of you know to quit bugging them or something like this You're gonna become a patent troll now scott. Is what you're saying Well, you can see I mean You know no offense to any people who hate patent rolls or who are patent rolls On either side of the aisle of patent rolling But you can see why it has become this weird little Sub-industry of going after big companies with huge pockets And the endless amounts of money in apple's case It does seem like it might be a quick way to sort of not extort but get quick money out of people Even in cases where they really did Well, and this is not an example of that This is an interesting issue because it's a university research foundation That brought this case. I'm curious rachel if you followed the story if you have any opinions on it Um, not too much. No, I mean it's not Sorry Something I've been keeping close eye on I mean well, it was kind of underwater for a couple years there And it just popped back up today. So yeah, what are we even on chip wise a 10 a 9s a 10s? What are we on? Yeah, they like said the patent for this expired in december 2016 anyway So the the amount of money that they've been fined is probably the most that they can get out of apple no matter what I think being a I just a side note a lawyer if you're a lawyer and you get a job at apple I feel like you're or google or any of these big companies I feel like you've got a pretty safe Cushy job for a long time because there's always something like this I think it goes for most corporations most big corporations. Yeah, I just don't want it to go I don't want it to be true for my little My little operation. You know what I mean? I'm happy I hear you have all the legal problems You know, leave me out of it. I guess Nintendo reported a profit of 16.21 billion yen in q1 on strong demand for the nintendo switch console That's up from a loss of 5.13 billion yen a year ago And it still beat analyst estimates analysts did estimate them to make 11.55 billion yen So they beat that pretty well nintendo sold 1.97 million switches in the quarter That brings their total for the year to 4.7 million and keeps them on track to that goal of 10 million that they set for themselves for the year nintendo also apologized for a shortage of switches in japan and pledges to raise production Yeah, they're doing I mean this thing is on its way to a genuine success status by the measurements that we use in the big video game console wars and I'm very excited about that. These are great numbers for them The switches is proving to be resilient in its early months. Now. We're not that far into the thing So we'll see how we do it the year mark. We'll see if they can hit that goal I think with the holidays coming and major releases like super mario odyssey I think they're almost guaranteed to hit those numbers given the holidays, but uh, but yeah, I mean there's Nintendo has put themselves where they should have put themselves with the we you Part of me wonders what took them so long part of me is just thrilled that they're there I love a world with nintendo in it and I'm about to go on a trip over the weekend for a family reunion Where there are a lot of people I don't feel like talking to and I'm gonna have my switch there. So Thanks nintendo, but yeah, these numbers are great. It's really good to see Keeping families from talking about politics and religion or anything or anything at all the nintendo switch All right, folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day at about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to our other show daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines.com We're available as broadcast on the amazon echo as a flash briefing or in the anchor app Which you can get in the app store. Just look for a n c h o r An update on the british version of daily tech headlines for the echo We have it submitted just waiting on it to get approved. So fingers crossed Hopefully maybe sometime mid next week that'll show up there And that is a look at the top stories Okay, so lift has a goal of having autonomous vehicles for most of its rides by 2021 We talked about that on the show volvo is one of the companies who has promised an autonomous car by 2021 I think we've mentioned that on the show All of these 2021s started showing up in all these stories rachel You looked into what other predictions are being made for the magical year of 2021 First of all, I'm curious was was it that that give you the idea for the story Yeah, in fact, we were talking about this Over here I was talking with other editors at MIT technology review about lift and 20 and someone mentioned that they Their goal of 2021 and I was like 2021 2021. I feel like I've been hearing that I like I swear I've heard that in so many other contexts with so many other Things that I cover like virtual reality Unwearable technology and things like that. Um, and yes, these targets always like move And you know, like two years from now, we'll probably be talking about I don't know 2023 or 2025 But I started looking around and indeed there are a lot of things that are supposed to happen in 2021 And it's going to be the future and it's going to be amazing. It's coming just four years away. Yeah I know it's five or 10 years away. Right. Oh, no, no, no This is well, some of these predictions were also made like late last year So then at that point they were they were made when they were five years away So we could always say everything is five years away But what's weird is we usually only get this from retrospect like Um, from a video game industry standpoint. I remember 1998 was a huge year But it was only a huge year in retrospect and in 2020 we're all like, oh man Look at everything that happened. Nobody predicted this a huge innovation that year How is it that we're so Certain or so many seem to be so certain about what 2021 represents because that's what feels different this time to me I have no idea. That is a good question that I should have an answer to but I mean, I think a lot of it is Let's say some of it might be due to the fact that people can always make predictions And as long as they use special language, you know, doesn't like really matter if it happens or not I mean, they're they hope something will happen or they, you know, want something to happen Um, so we'll see I I would say I take some of these things with a healthy dose of skepticism But you know, it'd be exciting if all these sorts of things actually happened by then It is funny that a lot of these predictions are on 2021 But it made like it like you said it made sense when it was last year's prediction But they're still happening this year like the lift one But some of them are a little bit cherry picking bloomberg new energy finance Believes electric vehicle sales will go from 1.2 or 1 to 2 percent in the united states to 4 to 5 percent Which is a big jump But you know, you could you could have picked 2022 and said they would go to 5 to 6 percent, right? Like yeah, true You know, it's it's bloomberg new energy finance just picked 2021 for some reason Yeah, I mean and to be fair they have, you know, various projections that go out over time um, but I but I mean that is That's going from a small number to a still fairly small number, but it's a fairly big increase in a big multiple Yeah, yeah I mean considering where we are now and how long it's taken us just to get to 1 in the us Now on the other side of that shipments of ar and vr headsets according to idc Set to rise to 92 million by 2021. That's a big jump Yeah, that's it's quite a large increase And I'm not sure that that's going to happen But they seem pretty confident that it will and if we get some of the headsets for Virtual reality and also augmented reality and in particular ar because a lot of the growth is expected to come from there And in the enterprise If those if the devices that people are working on now actually come out Then we'll see a lot of companies are interested investing in this kind of Thing as a tool and if it can actually help Then you know, if it saves them money, then they would be interested in ponying up for it So it's interesting that that one's showing, you know The prediction of rising to up to 92 million people is a pretty drastic jump And one I would take with the dose of skepticism as much as I'm actually behind that tech and want it to do really well Seems really high to me. Are there are there any others that jumped out at you and made you go? Oh, man, that's a that's some pie in the sky. You got going there by 2021 Yeah, but just to just to circle back to that one real quick just to be clear That's shipments. So it's not sales. So it's possible, you know that That that won't actually be the number of people buying them and or using them um individually, but um Let's see another one that jumped out to me Was um, I thought the idea of male birth control was pretty interesting because there's a a company that Tech crunch actually wrote about called Contraline And they say that they're Going to or they want to have a form of reversible male birth control that does not require Surgery to insert it available on the market in 2021 Wow, we'll see Go well with your augmented reality headsets. We're all buying it. I don't know why Yes, there's yeah, there's the story Don't think about it too much when they say the words insert and no surgery. That's all I'm Don't think too hard But I but you know that the implementation aside, uh, that could be that could be huge By 2021 this is a cheap and easy procedure That that could change a lot of the way society works, right? Yeah, I mean, I don't know that they're saying it's cheap But uh, but if it if it's effective and it is not horrible To have it implanted then who knows? I mean they've read it sounds like they're gonna probably need a lot more money To make this happen even if it's not going to happen in 2021 I think this is like 2 million so far. All right, so this one might not happen by 2020 Yeah, we'll we'll see um, and then there's also a company that says that it will have, um A chicken lab grown chicken That does not use any, you know regular chickens on the market in 2021 Yeah, the the reference is animal-free chicken So so I assume this isn't even like, you know, genetically Born and raised from a dish versions of chicken like straight up. These are gonna be well, it's lab-grown meat really We've been talking about lab-grown meat for I don't know how long A long time, but finally 2021. I'm getting some animal-free meat. I can't wait Yeah, you could have chicken grown in a lab and waffles or you know something Can I get lab-grown waffles? I was thinking about that and yeah, I don't I I mean that's that doesn't involve the animals Right, so for the most part so I think people are are cool with non lab-grown waffles But but I'm just wondering if there's some kind of you know synthetic grain They exist now Tom. They're called egos. Yeah, right. Okay fair enough If they hit this 20 actually doesn't matter if they miss the 2021 date whenever there is Animal-free chicken available to eat. I am buying some and flying to Salt Lake City To eat it with Scott. Oh the first time let's do it like for that doing it on camera We'll get multiple cameras for that. We'll make a huge deal out of it And uh, and I'm actually very I mean all kidding aside very interested in this idea because it doesn't just have I mean if it let's say A taste like chicken and is good for me as chicken and all the reasons eat chicken Are there and perhaps maybe other benefits are are synthesized into this animal-free chicken That's cool to me on a personal level because I like that idea But imagine what this does For the world. I mean it really means that we can Make I mean, I don't know what the resources and the energy that have to go into making each animal-free chicken whatever Each even means in this context, but you could change the world world hunger becomes a thing that is Uh tackleable in a way that it never has been before Even though you could argue it is in ways now, but More than any other time we would be able to make the food we need to make And not have that rely on sanitary conditions or farm conditions or any other reasons why we couldn't do it And and theoretically wouldn't uh impact the environment the same way. Yeah, it's an amazing idea I love it. I mean chickens are dumb. I don't necessarily love them as far as you know animals go and everything Apologies to any chickens in the audience Well in 2021 after I've uh had my contrailing procedure And I jump in my electric car go home do a quick vr game and uh grab some lab grown meat I will fly a solar plane to salt lake city to meet scott because apparently bloomberg new energy finance predicts that by 2021 solar power will be cheaper than coal in china, india, mexico, brazil and the uk Now the part of this story that I didn't realize rachel is that it's already cheaper in the u.s. Italy and germany It's I think it's like sir. I think it's comparable basically at this point. Um, but yeah I mean if it's calm if it's come to down to being comparable Who knows where it'll be in 2021 in places like the u.s. Like yes, it does seem like we're headed in that In that direction where it's just going to make more sense I mean, I think for a lot of people it's made a lot more sense for a while That's why the renewables industry has been growing so much That we move toward that and away from things like coal It's just if it makes financial sense and it sounds like it's making more and more financial sense Then hopefully we'll have a lot more people using it You know I take it back scott I won't be taking a solar powered plane your way if there's solar if solar power energy has charged my electric car Which is also self-driving by 2021. I could just take that or even a lift It's all like city No, I self the the future and I don't know if this is 2020 one or not Hopefully it is but the future of self-driving cars when it comes to interstate travel is so exciting to me because a I can't be driving long distance b I don't I can't sleep well when somebody else is doing it for me But a machine where I can just shut myself off read get work done whatever for a 10 hour drive to san diego I'm in I'm so in on that and I don't have something to snack it on your your animal free chicken nuggets the whole way Oh, yeah, they could do nugget form for this job. I'm not I haven't even wrapped my head around this chicken thing completely Well, okay. I just thought of this right now Will you two both of you rachel and scott commit? To as close to july 26 2021 as possible reconvene to assess How things are going I'm in I will do my best. Yes. All right. Yeah with with with all, you know with with all Make your best effort. I guess is all I can ask, right? Yeah If this is to be believed all three of us will be wearing some sort of AR VR mixed reality Hitsets while we're doing it. Like yeah, we're talking about here is actually a very exciting future. It's it's an optimistic one Um, I wouldn't want to think I like about this prediction or these lists of predictions Not predictions these these commitments by actual companies to try to attain these goals is a lot of them are very forward thinking and They don't feel like bad human decisions to me. They feel like good progressive ideas For the human race to move forward on that's really exciting It gives me a lot of optimism about the future not just in technology been in humanity So I didn't expect to come away from your article with that But I did I don't know if you intended to do that, but that's what I didn't But you're welcome. Yeah, it worked Well, I just I'm putting in my google calendar now, uh, july 10th 2021 ask scott and rachel about follow-up dts episode Okay. Yes, I'm just the invite. Yeah, we'll try to try to make that happen and chat room. Don't let us forget Maybe google will maybe google calendar won't exist in 2021. I know right? I'll probably be using the actual animal based chicken so Hey, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show And facebook.com slash daily tech news show. Let's get to our messages of the day our first one comes from germany scott Well, check this out. Hi scott tom and guest I had an idea to update my car by adding an echo dot. I've also had this idea, but I'm chicken Anyway, it fits nicely in the cup holder and let's face it amazon voice service is the best right now He's I believe he's right setting up wi-fi to connect to my iphone was painful And it takes a while to reconnect after I start the car and the dot boots And that's when it hit me a while ago. You were talking about amazon might be interested in offering free mobile data For its eye dot. It's uh, it's uh, I own net of things I don't think yeah one of my thinking internet of things devices How about an echo dot with built-in wi-fi for your car? You plug into the Into the port connected to the cars bluetooth done smart car with alexa skills Just think about the amazon data would get or the data amazon would get greetings from rainy munich germany I set off my dot too Okay, first fix that amazon, please but yeah, I kind of Love this idea of of it sort of is what they tried with the tap Uh, which was the bluetooth speaker that had it had a wi-fi receiver in it Not a not a not a built-in connection. So you need more than built-in wi-fi You need built-in like lte or something, right? Yeah, and I've argued for a while I think it's important I think it's dumb if if they if amazon doesn't jump on every opportunity to extend The echo brand into other places and cars internet of things. They're doing that but Many places that they can because they really right now do have a strategic advantage Their voice services are just in my opinion better than anything else anyone else is offering And I think their biggest looming thread is google and they need to stay ahead of that But they've got to just keep going and I think that's that'll end up being a really growth thing for amazon They're all it already was weird when it came out and we couldn't believe how good it was So they just need to take that lead and move forward I agree with you that it is really good And um, Alexa, which I may have set off in your house by saying The voice the name just now. Um, I try to just say amazon voice services. Sorry amazon word services Really good. However, I'll take a little bit of a contrarian view. Um, because I'm really concerned about distraction driving I feel like even with nothing in my car It is really easy to get distracted Driving just by things that are already attached to my car like the radio the air conditioner things like that So I am pretty concerned that as we see more and more Gadgets creeping into the car and like we're talking earlier about google You know if you're either having your smartphone in the car and using it for things or having it built into the car directly I get still get pretty concerned about how that's going to be implemented and what it's going to mean for distraction I like you rachel metz Because very few people agree with me on this point, but it's not about hands free. It's about distraction free And especially when you're when you're speaking to something that's not there It takes more of your brain. They've they've done they've done studies that show that it takes up more of your attention Uh, and and so yeah, I mean, I think that's that's a fair concern to have and you should have some safeguards around that I thought I was the only one that felt that when I talked to these devices I I have to engage more of my my head space than I usually do because I'm thinking about saying it right Instead of just saying it. It was my wife and I say honey, throw me a towel That's just comes out. It's no big deal if I want to say to my echo I need to buy a 48 pack of paper towels or something I have to really think about it as I go if i'm doing that in the car Guaranteed that takes a chunk of my focus away. There's no way around it Yeah, exactly and it's and some of that is probably because these things are still fairly new You know, we're not used to communicating in this way and the devices also aren't I mean, there's so many things They can't understand even with all the things they can understand, you know that as you just mentioned like another Like your wife or a family member or anybody who knows you somewhat or even somebody who doesn't know you at all Can just into it, you know Yeah, but the future world of 2021 though, we're going to be okay because exactly if this auto auto driving world happens Then who cares how distracted we are just in there talking to the thing and precisely Yeah, so hopefully those things meet in a couple years and it'll be yeah All right, uh yesterday we talked about the Singapore airport terminal that's going to potentially have the ability for you to check in Go through customs and board your airplane without talking to a single person And we talked about like are we okay with this level of biometrics? Michael from human and overcast Yokohama joined in to the conversation with concern about People overwriting a fingerprint. He's like yeah one concern is people getting your fingerprint out of a database But what about suddenly someone breaks in and replaces your fingerprint with theirs? And everything that one has access to becomes inaccessible. It's like having the keys to your house all changed What's worse is that somebody else may have access to all of your data as well instead of you Getting hold of your biometric data is one thing but much more frightening is the ability to change that data And data sets that guard infrastructure as well as purchases. Happy summer of sharks And then redacted from sunny and smoking northern california added Yesterday's show about singapore as someone who has submitted background check information to the u.s. government including my fingerprints I like many others have had all my data leaked out during the office of personnel management data breach of 2015 So that's not just personally identifiable information, but a lot of fingerprints were leaked out there as well So this is something that is already a problem Uh, and I again like I said yesterday, I'm not against biometrics, but I'm saying we need to do it right from the start We need to think about these things now before it becomes commonplace and I Haven't thought about this before having your personal data out there or a password being breached or something is one thing And I and I hate that and I hate that feeling and I don't ever want to experience that But having your fingerprint, which is this part of your body That's out there and available and Copyable and usable. Yeah, you can only change it 10 times. Yeah, that is super freaky, dude. I don't like that at all Yeah, I make a similar bad noise when I think about that at least in my head It's just it's scary, right? Because that is it is a part of you Um and that getting into the wrong hands is really frightening like you Can if your identity is stolen in the general sense Like if I lost my wallet and somebody used that to like steal my identity A lot of those things I could fix in her place and it would be a huge hassle Um, and I know at least one friend for whom this has been a huge ongoing issue with someone stealing her identity But it's not down to the level of her fingerprints, which is a whole different kind of violation, right? Like you feel when you think about that don't you feel like really exposed Like just imagining that scenario where someone steals your fingerprints Like there's something even beyond like stealing my driver's license or something that I guess Because it's a part of you Or not my finger You know or something like that that's ridiculous You have to do like men in black style and burn all your fingerprints off start over have some new ones in Like who knows maybe 2021 is when we see it, but but yeah Not Uh anything can in our chat room points out that that that opm leak included some dna information as well That's something that's easily changed. So Um, I mean not that we're using dna as security yet, uh, but yeah, I talk about personal information being out there So again not saying I'm not being alarmist and saying we should never use fingerprints for everything But we should take into account the limitations on how they should be used and and act appropriately so Thank you, rachel mets for joining us a pleasure as always. Thank you. You're so welcome. It was fun Oh, cool. Uh, go find what rachel's up to at the mit technology review at technology review dot com And you can follow her on twitter at rachel mets. That's r a c h e l m e t z anything else you want to let folks know about Uh, no, it's great hanging out with you guys. Um come look at our website read our stuff Yeah, we're doing lots of cool work over there at tech review It's it's one of the places I go every day, uh to find out what's going on and understand not just find out but understand What's going on as well scott johnson. Thank you as well. 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That's dctv dot link slash 2017 Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com We're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m. Eastern 20 30 utc at the aforementioned Diamond club dot tv as well as alpha geek radio dot com and our website's daily tech news show dot com Justin robert young hosting for me. I'll be back on monday, but justin will be here with paul spain tomorrow talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frog pants dot com I hope you have enjoyed this brover That was really fun. Thank you, rachel Yes, she left. Oh Well, thank you rachel She was offended as am I by you saying that barry gordy's the last dragon is a terrible terrible movie I should be ashamed of yourself Yeah, I should have left my opinion out That is a cult classic I got like six copies of this movie. I don't know what to do with them all Send you one roger I already have two but sure the blu-ray is good. It's got extra stuff in it I know that's the one I bought But yeah, it does it I love it. I love that movie. I'm telling you The future of that movie will be a sequel crossover with big trouble in little china Hmm or not at all, but but maybe It's gonna come it's gonna come listen roger. You should enter to win if michael bay Can produce the abominations that our teenage boot ninja turtles and the sequel whatever the heck it was called that just released I The blast dragon infinitely better material All right, I'll give you that you're actually right on that I hated those movies. So okay, they were horrible though those teenage me ninja I am a big team in t-fan even before the cartoon back when it was just that Black and white comic and I was just so disappointed Everything for the og I I liked the cartoons because they were whimsical and I liked the There was there was one of the newer and I say newer like the past Seven years there was a cartoon where they did a multiverse version episode where they had all the tunnels from the different Universes, so they'll have like the comic drawing like the original The original week drawn one with the campy 90s cartoon one with like like the edgier Nine Ots one It was a great episode They basically had to fight the end of the world between all these evil shredders pretty cool. Yeah I know I I like the original comics And I kind of like that weird cgi movie they made Like 10 years ago man that Michael bay you he just everything he's like he's like the the Midas touch except it's lead Except for some reason they make money, so they still keep doing them I don't know. It's the worst, right? Isn't it something that something's so horrible that still makes money that allows them to make more horrible movies I'm looking at you transformers how many five five movies the first one I liked Second one in oh my god, just the third and the rest are just horrible All right, um titles the world of tomorrow almost literally Android auto is said in its ways But Why is butt in there? I don't know. Why don't I read that Roger? In the year 2021 the future so close brilliant title In the in the year 2021. I mean the person who submitted that title is pretty clever I don't know. I prefer butt over that one Anything came to explain yourself The future is so close usb3ug Google hates derral Uh google limits the ways you drive apple didn't predict it predict this fine What is gary? I'm hates derral. What's that? is that like from uh That bought new heart show or my I'm My name's larry this by rather darrow mother rather darrow. So I don't think so I don't know why that would make it make sense if it was I don't know tom but Is it something to do with darrell strawberry the famous baseball play like yeah, I think it's just a that's spelled with a y Oh, whoops. Well, I don't you know common scots meat free dinner date Uh switch from the traditional family a switch in time says nintendo But does it taste like chicken don't catch your chickens before they're synthesizing a lab That will be the thing is that the lab grown chicken won't actually taste like chicken be the first thing that didn't How would it cross the road? Uh probably in a heated parcel pack on the back of a bicycle Uh soylent mcnugget in 2021 know the lab grown bacon O'Brien Oh, no wait that shifted uh Takes more of your brian. Oh brain. I think they're trying to spell brain Right takes more of your brian Casper's free Ethan gate says there were a bunch of insertion jokes followed by me tom saying but three times And the darrell jokes a tms thing he has the game that he plays with scott and brian about guessing the results Oh, that's the reference. Oh Okay, have you heard of tms scott? Yeah, I I'm behind GMOs tastes like chicken test tube chicken Wrap your head around the chicken thing Scott said that wrap your head around I want the chicken to taste like tofurky I don't I want turkey though. I want turkey that is not an animal I want all I want beef. I want all of it Why don't you just find foods that aren't animals that you like and eat those instead? I don't like okay. Here's the important question. Would zoe brings bacon Eat animal free lab grown bacon. I would I would try tasting I would totally try it. Yeah, as they get older. I actually don't have as much affection for that meat As I used to depends on the day, but if I smell it cooking they've got me I'm pretty much Zoey wrote in all caps. No, of course not purest all right My bacon because that you already said no meat free mandate did it Mandate and mandate that's pretty good. Oh, I get it. Yeah I don't think we use it, but I like it. It's funny. It gets points for being funny No, let me guess. Um, you think in the year 2021. I love that you like that too. Yeah done But but but but but but In the year 21 In the year 20 20 20 when New Year 2000 and 21 All right, yes show enough that line is awesome show enough enough Who's the biggest baddest? I love that. It's there's just so much character in the whole thing. I love it. I'm bad So bad But it's bad in a great way. I Listen, I think you guys really agree about this movie. You're just defining your terms differently I will I will define it this way the the bits with vanity kind of sucked But the rest of it is fine I mean, it's offensive funny in action packed And really unless you're gonna rewatch I'm gonna get you suck it It's a pretty family friendly movie Unlike I'm gonna get you sick I want to be where knots is because knots is about to get a bacon milkshake from five guys That's not cool I don't I don't like that. I got one of those velvet cake milkshakes Want to Not even sweet as your colon isn't designed for any of that. Oh my god Oh my well, there's not actually any milk in it, right? I don't know. Maybe five guys makes makes it with milk I prefer peace. I prefer fruit in my milkshakes strawberry peach Cola cola dark redeemer said I'm about to get five milkshakes from one guy me Ah, I've always wanted to get one of those hand blenders So I can make milkshakes Silverblade says he wants to try a bacon milkshake, but they're not made in the five guys near him in canada That's because they're canadian bacon milkshakes It's basically they just put slices of uh ham in it Banana knots confirms it's real bacon with real ice cream. So all right fair enough. It sounds delicious. Why would you do that? Why would you do that? That's horrible? There's nothing wrong with that. That sounds good. Oh, I'm for that. Yeah No We can say I'm sorry. I don't believe in this I don't believe in this kind of cold stone future where you just crammed stuff together because that's how you How it was when you're a kid What No, I don't believe I honestly I was actually with you through the cold stone future part But then the cramming things together like when you're a kid like when you're a kid is where you lost me But you didn't like just dump food together like when you're a kid. Oh, no, no, no that horrified me. That's that's that's a whole origin of That's what you're talking about. That's the whole origin of cold stone if you ever listen to the ceo Or no, I was a food separatist Me too. I know Food should not mingle Yeah, I did not allow my food to fraternize with other food I'm over that now. I don't have that same problem. But when I was a kid, I definitely was like like that Keep it separated Don't let the gravy under my green beans. No It's the only way green beans taste good though That is not even bacon in the green beans My grandma was the one who made the good green beans and it's because she used bacon Yeah, oh bacon. Oh, so wait. She didn't give you green beans at all. It was just bacon Bacon in the pot when she made the green beans. So the green beans soaked up the bacon flavor Also her bacon her green beans were really soft too Because she boiled them. Yeah, she just boiled them until they died which made them delicious I prefer steaming. I like crunch. No, that's better. It's better for you and I prefer that now too, but I'm sure there are canned green beans that were already soft and she just boiled them. I love them You know what there's something to be said about time saving. Yeah, but you're also from a time of casserole dishes Oh, totally. Yeah. Yeah I come from a household with a rice cooker and leftovers I come from the time of casserole dishes. We had leftovers too Yeah, that was also served in another casserole dish. Well, yeah, there's leftover casserole What would you expect it to be it? Did you get the one what's the one with the marshmallows melted on top? Uh, yeah, not that often but but sometimes the the big one was Uh, this potato dish potato casserole That was like sliced potatoes with corn flakes on top And like probably probably a cream of mushroom soup and some sour cream in the in the sauce. It's so good And there's just potatoes no meat no nothing No, it was just it was a side dish like you'd serve like a meatloaf with the potato casserole But there was protein in it because it had sour cream Ethan Kane the chat room is asking me rogers. Do you grew up in my current home question mark because that's how we live That's actually how we live now too. We have a rice cooker and a bunch of leftovers. That's true I think those are more more frequent than they used to be Yeah, I need my gen eat more rice I make rice but I end up being the only one that eats it Although I only likes it but it's too messy too messy. I loved rice when I was a kid I ate it now I ate it not much when I was a kid because we had three Koreans in the house and that's all they ate And it's not a stereotype. They straight up just loved rice, especially my brother So we always had rice all the time everywhere and I hated it because of it these days. It's like I'm having a I like it again or I like it for the first time. So I'm all about rice now I mean we my my When Eileen and I first started dating one of the first things she asked me was Uh, when I said like, oh, yeah, I I ate rice growing up. I loved it. She was like Did your parents put butter on it? And I was like Yeah, yeah, they did and she started laughing. She's like, that was we'd always make fun of white people for putting Butter on their rice. We didn't understand why they did that You put a lot of rice, uh, butter what else No, my rice was just white sticky glutinous rice and then yeah, that's what Eileen had growing up too And she didn't like uh, it was jasmine rice. She didn't like What is it cow rows cow? cow rows is Too starchy and it's not very tasty. If you get like the japanese, it's pretty good But cow rows is just cheap to grow. That's why it's you see it all over That's what I always ate until I met Eileen and she's like, oh no, you're not you're not buying that anymore The best rice though is um in persian, uh, iranian dishes like they do this very saffron heavy. It's really good And they make like a huge Pot of it. It's amazing In the year 2021 That is A nature seasons. Oh my gosh, ethan k and you're absolutely right butter in nature seasons Wait, what's isn't what's nature? See it's like this combo spice Oh, is it like uh from a kormick? Yeah I'm pretty sure it's gonna be a kormick. It's if I remember someone telling me never to buy that or they would slap me I think it was a roommate never buy that Never buy that We had uh, I didn't think I liked park chops Because my mom would just cook the crap out of them if she was worried about trichinosis Till they turned into little hockey pucks. Yeah And then when I had the first juicy pork chop I was like, oh And my grandma never made pork chops because I think she was that afraid of trichinosis I used to avoid eating so much pork because of trichin like people because I watched this thing on pbs about trichinosis and like, you know Unclean meats or something And I just I was just scared. I was like, I'm not eating it I have worms in it worms worms Mmm Alrighty Well, I think I have published the show sanitary conditions Those are important. Yep. I was just repeating what you just said in my test of the mp3 what you couldn't hear I didn't hear it. No Like really matter There you go Sanitary conditions That's cool to me on a personal level That's what I think about sanitary condition Imagine what this does for the world. I mean There's some good little sound bites there. Oh pretty good Imagine what this does for the world. You got a you got a hell of a statement Alrighty Think we're good. Thanks everybody for watching Thanks to everybody including roger who's filling in over the next couple of days. Have great shows. Enjoy them Have a good weekend. I'll talk to you guys on monday