 Our colors are coordinated kind of look at that. Hey, good today. Thank you and every day Welcome Rotorad I'm the driven today. I'm joined by Cappuccino. Cappuccino. He's got his own pilot name and everything. He doesn't fly yet, but he's got a pile I do fly that's how you I've always that's how you get enough PV first make a pilot name first make a logo first make an intro And then you start flying you know what I'm glad you're you're talking down to our audience like this It brings up a good point Pro pilots are really Disconnected from the newcomer. You don't remember what it's like. Yes. I do. No, you know, yes I went out and crashed a lot. No none As you'll see in these episodes, we have two episodes coming this one and then a flying episode So what's gonna happen is I'm gonna build I'm gonna become the newcomer Because I seriously have not really Experienced this hobby like I should have I've spent a lot of time just focusing on Production and the business I barely fly at home, right? But lately I've opened back up. I've been able to actually fly Here's the problem though. All of my gear. It's just like test equipment or you know, it's stuff prototypes that I get I can never get used to a rig So I've built three quads, but it's I don't know You can't start with a quad and just like know what settings it should be or whatever especially if you haven't been flying So I decided I'm gonna start fresh. I'm gonna go to our store I'm gonna pick all of the parts completely fresh tailored to what I want to achieve as a pilot Bardwell and vanover have agreed to help me buy and build a mini quad I want to get the road a riot team to really Understand and embrace Different ways of teaching and learning and helping people get into the hobby and up and going as quickly as possible Okay, so enough chit chat. Let's get into the episode. Good luck with your build What's the intent behind your build? Well, I like the fly freestyle. So it's gonna be freestyle build. Yes Now the type of freestyle I like to I like the fly gaps and proximity I want to do more tricks, but not more not technical I want simplicity Because I don't like things that are over engineered. I was I'm really thinking like either the cl1 or Or dribs builds. So we're gonna want a simple frame. We want a freestyle frame not a racing frame easily replaceable parts easily Easy to replace arms very few parts And it's let's see what we got. Let's look at the store and let's start looking at frames. We want five That's what we're focusing on. Yeah, so we've got the cl1. Is it in stock? Yes, do we see that they're in stock from here? Yes, it'll say coming soon if not So I like that it's cheap. We always have parts for it Only other thing I was considering was I do like kind of a unibody design Just because I feel yeah, I feel like unibody designs have less vibrations I think there's not one answer there. I think alex needs to be in this episode Some Something about the way that the arms disconnect from the main plate actually breaks up the resonance And you won't get those harmonic vibrations. Um, I don't think there's a single answer there But maintainability was a big concern for you more and durability So a unibody once you break an arm or even if you just got the end off the arm You got to rebuild just take the whole bottom plate. I personally prefer unibodies But um, why do you prefer them? Well, I fly the chameleon And on the the the non unibody version of the chameleon is the rooster And it's a low deck design and when the arms go in there's not a lot of room on the inside I got you. So I like the unibody because it gives you more room. I do like a shorter thing But the cl1 it's easy to customize. You just get eight different standards. So the cl1 is an option Let's look at what else we got. Okay, there are other options chameleon ti Fantastic frame, but it's a unibody and it's pretty expensive. A lot of people would shy away from three times more than the cl1 Yeah, it's a great. So it's my preferred freestyle frame. So it's the little dribb skyliner The skyliner you were looking at that looks a lot better But again, I would say I don't care if obviously I don't care how my quads look I just want them to fly well. Now, so that's the other thing Mid throttle oscillations everybody struggles with that Is there anything in the frame that I can choose that'll help with that? In fact, I think mid throttle oscillations Are affected by the frame, but it's difficult because mid throttle oscillations never seems to have them Is it have anything he's not normal? We don't know he does he just flies around them. No, you see him He just over filters his quad. Ah, it's hard. I want to over filter my quad. Yeah, how you're gonna kill Alex? It's hard to predict which frames because it's the combination of motors esc's frame and props together So can you help me find that combo? Yeah, well, what you do is you build a quad and then if it happens then you try to fix it Okay, you're here because you're supposed to know that It's it's you're just supposed to know Joshua. So we can go we can go with settings that afford does Alex know? What's that? How do you fix mid throttle? You know, I want to minimize like the the best chance of not having them Well, the whole chance to get get rid of them is you have to think about like where the vibrations are coming from Which is obviously from the motors But like generally with the most of the frames on the day's market You're gonna get vibrations from the motors pretty much no matter what because we don't soft mount the arms to the quad The biggest thing is building the quad properly with like good motors and everything and then to the quad properly Okay, the thing is the thing is if you build a tight quad With decent motors and stuff You shouldn't minimize a lot of oscillations You want to keep everything and no matter what type of quad is away from the flight controller That's usually what's going to back feed and and cause noise and cause vibrations and all those kinds of things So when I'm picking a free stop frame, I want to actually separate everything as much as possible VTX and the RX and from the flight controller to try and keep the noise Okay away from everything else. Okay, so I want a no-nonsense Just flies well. Yeah, not the image is important to me. Yeah the stingy I have I like stingy's 100 bucks So what's your price? I guess what's your price range? Well, it's something everybody has to think about. I don't think it's a price range I think it's value I want the so the important pieces to me is I wanted to to look good So I want to have as few vibrations as possible. I see I want to fly freestyle. I told you the style of freestyle and I want it to be cost effective So I think anything a hundred dollars or more is too much for this a hundred dollars is okay If you can sell me on it, honestly, I really I really love High values so when when I'm looking at $35 and it flies as good as a hundred dollar frame that I get excited about that Well, I definitely think we can build a cl1 with quality components that'll fly well Okay, be reasonably durable. I mean I want to support drew and I do think it looks good Yeah, and I do like that. It's a lower deck. Yeah, and it has the camera cage But well you built a cl1 Already Uh, no, that's the quad box. Oh, that's not easy one. No, I've never built you haven't built the cl1 Speaking of value though, I do think the remix is the best like you get the most for the money Maybe we should make you build a remix. Well, but I want three quads and I don't want to build three remixes So I'm going to do the cl1 Okay, I'm going to do cl1. Okay, so we got our frame. Okay. Uh, what next motors? Um, how about flight controller flight controller? Do you build around? That's a good point Do you build around motors or flight controller? Well, the flight controller you can put almost any flight controller into a build Just pick one that has the features you like. Well, the motors are going to really affect I like flight one because setup is so fast. Okay. I know alex likes it too But I don't I don't have enough feel To know the like the flight quality difference between beta flight and flight one. Yeah, yeah No, that's a great reason to choose flight one the different firmwares fly differently Yeah, but you could get a good flying quad on any of them Okay, so actually the ease of build and ease of use of flight one I like is one of the better reasons. I think to pick it the one thing that I hated more than anything about building Multi-rotors because I'll go back eight years is soldering your motor leads checking the direction and then re soldering them I hated it. I don't know why I just I despised it I wish that yeah, they've put all that stuff into wizards and made it totally easy our choices Let's look at all right. So go to flight controllers. I'd rather switch flight controllers than have to be swapping pins on the Yeah, I agree. I don't want to why don't we just wait for it to come in stock? When's it going to come in stock? No, we need no, this is the real situation Okay, okay, so so are we going to give up on flight one because it's out of stock Maybe let's put it on a shelf for a moment. Okay, and we're going to go full-size controllers Maybe maybe they have stuff and oh, we have the hype train right right control. That's an obvious choice It's a solid one. We have it in stock now this flight controller with can I use this with your esc? We have a cable We stock a cable. That's what I remember. You can do that. Okay add this to my card Okay, okay. Sorry. I mean I jumped at that, but I'm obviously way more familiar with my esc also Well, that's the flight controllers. So wait real quick. Let's look so we do have the race flight Revolt osd 30 by 30 So if we go 30 by 30 we have the race flight. Let me see Okay, so now we need to look at ESC one non-flight one esc that is direct compatible with the flight one osd 30 by 30 is the hobby wing 45 amp ESC it has a cable included that is direct plug-in don't need to depend anything to the revolt osd So it's 30 by 30 and it works really really good. It's a great combo that I've been running Personally, so which one is like one hobby wing extra utter micro 45 amp 30 by 30 bucks Yeah Okay, that's a good one and the hobby wing does have a direct cable from the esc that is compatible with the Okay, so so right now what's nice though. So now I have I really like this because if I Burn this out. I have two options. I can replace it with yeah, so I do like that Let's let's talk let's talk about that for a second When you're picking a flight controller and a four-in-one esc It makes your life a lot simpler if they're pin compatible What that means is that the plug from the flight controller plugs directly into the plug right? I don't want to swap stuff swap And a lot of people don't realize that you just because they plug in doesn't mean that the pins are in the right order Always double check. You can fry something. I do. Yeah So buy a flight controller and esc that are designed to work together Or that just coincidentally work together And then when you have to replace it you just unplug plug in the replacement And you know, it's interesting We've picked a flight controller based on it being easy to easy to set up You don't want to solder you just want to plug things in as much as possible I don't mind soldering a little bit and easy to configure And a lot of people would say you should pick a flight controller based on features or performance But for for beginner and even intermediate pilots the features and performance of flight controllers are Largely the same they all make the quad fly so choosing based on ease of build and ease of maintenance is a perfectly valid choice Okay motors Now I've been flying dribb motors and I I think they're wonderfully powerful But I I actually don't I want enough power to pull out of a dive But I don't want so much. I'm constantly worrying about managing my my throttle control because I don't fly fast Yeah, I I just want to fly well and more powerful motors actually make your life more difficult because the hover position for the For the quad gets much lower. That's what I'm saying. So I have to manage that whole section. Yeah. Yeah, so I would rather Yeah be a mid throttle. Yeah, not too powerful I think if you're when people are starting to think about motors I actually do recommend that you start with a price point Which is not actually how I go with a lot of things Because motors are the thing on the quad you're going to replace the most I want the blasters Okay, now those were my baby, right? So I I designed Now not the flight performance. Tommy did the testing on that But as far as what they have to offer in the the style and And and just the whole concept of it was my baby From the beginning. So I have to choose those So the blasters are going to be 28 bucks, which is a premium price for a motor But for the first set that's 28 bucks for the first set and then you can replace them Right and how much does it we change the it used to cost 10 bucks to replace them You get them replaced for free. So you get well, you got to pay shipping. I'm just being honest But we should at least consider other motors. So let's talk about let's talk about this price You're going to pick your price point an eight dollar motor is a super super cheap motor It's don't don't get it if you can avoid it a 12 or 13 dollar motor is a decent budget motor That's still not going to perform like a top tier motor, but way better than an eight dollar motor So that's something like the e-max eco motor or the 3b trainer motor 18 or 20 dollar motor is is going to be a Starting to get like pretty good motor and then like a 25 or 26 dollar motor is a really premium motor Where the perform the price the performance difference between like an 18 or 20 dollar motor It's going to be a little better, but maybe not way way better. Yeah Well with the blaster I would say the blaster if it was just priced as a motor Probably around the same as the grinders. Yeah, I would say that that's where it's classified But you're paying the extra for the warrant the replacement And the the thing is they still they perform just like the acros which is a premium motor But the areas where we we shaved costs were like the the colored staters that that costs extra We have the the bearings are a cheaper bearing, but they still hold up pretty well The aluminum is actually the less expensive aluminum, but it is thicker. So there there were trade-offs But we feel actually they are more durable than I realized they would be Like because we're getting fewer replacements than we thought we would so that's a good thing So I I always tell people ask yourself when you crash and destroy a motor How much are you going to feel like you can Afford to replace because you're going to replace motors although with the blasters you wanted to deal with that And then we can think about size and kv and in general for like a five inch freestyle build I would say pick either 20 306 or 20 207 size. So, okay, wait, wait I'm trying to put my head in the space of newbie a beginner and my head's spinning, right? Okay And and it kind of is because seriously as our own site I go here There's just so many freaking options I like options if I've tested eight different motors and I keep wanting to tweak I want tons of options. Yeah, but if I'm just I just want to go fly. Yeah I want like four options. I'm gonna make it simple for you. Okay for a five inch freestyle build Pick a 20 306 or a 20 to a seven size motor And shoot for about 2400 kv. Okay, that's just that's just that's just a great all-round grinders would be a good one Yep, um, what's jeff fly? He does 2450, but it's the larger jeff jeff is a higher. So higher. Oh, he's 2650 Yeah, a higher kv motor is going to give you more power and be a little bit more sensitive to prop selection You get fewer prop options in a sense that are optimized for it Yeah, exactly You're going to be able to if you pick too aggressive of a prop on a higher kv motor It's going to kill your battery. Isn't that isn't that what drew does doesn't he always fly an aggressive prop on a high kv? Uh, I don't know what prop does he fly He's flying the 51 46 man. It's disrespectful to some of the props he flies No, he he flies He's been flying the Johnny props from Azure and I've been flying those as well And those are 4.8 props which 4.8 as far as length compared to 5 so they're under 5 inch and on a high kv prop Those props really shine. So he's been more respond. That's why they're actually not 5 inch props But see that's all of a sudden why he started He hasn't really found a prop in the last year that he's like, oh, I'll fly whatever when he started flying these props Like I did we were both like wow This is really good because it's more optimized for higher kv. So with a lower kv. Yeah, he was not flying an optimized prop No, not at all. He was flying just Yeah, I did kill his props I would say this A pro pilot and an experienced builder is going to be able to get good results out of a combination that a beginner or intermediate Wouldn't okay 2400 kv You can put literally any 5 inch prop on that and it will fly. Okay. I like that I like options there because sometimes like I have a drawer full Of about 18 different sets of props It lets you uh experiment with different props. The quad is not going to suddenly start flying bad Okay on any 5 inch prop suit and I think I think I would steer you towards 2300 20 306 size 20 306 size motor is going to be a little bit more linear in its throttle response Then a 20 207 is going to be a little bit sharp more poppy at the top end But I kind of like that that I do like so when I set up my throttle I like Because I want more Resolution here and then when I have to I can just punch out of stuff So the 20 207 and it's a very subtle effect that many people might not even notice But the 20 207 is going to have a little less resolution and torque at the low end But then as you push the throttle up it's going to it's going to go It's more resolution the 2306 is going to have a little bit more linearity and resolution at the bottom end Oh, I see what you're saying less sort of just raw all out at the top. Yeah, I would I would like two thirds of it to be And then the last third beat what you want the 20 207 you get that Yeah, so 20 207 2400 ish kv is what we're shooting for okay We should acknowledge that when we're talking about motor kv We're assuming that chad's going to run a four cell battery the kv and the battery voltage are related If you were shooting for a higher voltage like 6s we would be going lower kv Okay, so this this recommendation to go 2400 kv assumes you're using four cell which most that's what I recommend for For beginners and intermediate pilots. Okay, so we we got to settle in on a motor Obviously the first one that comes up is yeah the blaster and then the acro which these are identical, I mean almost identical as far as performance You said you care a lot about the image quality of the video Yes, normally I would not steer like a beginner or intermediate builder to easy o bearings But if you care a lot about those mid throttle oscillations in smooth video That's a good point. You're going to want those easy o bearings. All right So I any motor can be smooth out of the factory although not all of them are right But the easy o bearing motors are going to stay smoother longer when you're crashing them. What are you hearing? about the acros I mean 20 207 2450 kv Easy o bearings solid build. I do like the orange staters. What else we got? I'm going to put four of these in my Okay. All right. So there's our motor. We got our frame flight controller esc and motor. Yeah camera vtx. Yes Okay camera. I do love the rotor riot run cam swift 2 But I suppose I could run it since it accepts a full-size camera The co1 does micro cameras are where most people are going today. Yeah a micro camera with a with a full-size lens But this is a ccd with a really nice lens. You like the ccd though. I do you don't want the c-mos I I'm fine with the c-mos Although we have had some complaints about our case cracking Okay, so let me just ask you what would you recommend without my input I like the look of a c-mos camera a c-mos camera has better dynamic range. Well, that's true. Yes It's a very personal thing though If you want a ccd camera, the rotor riot one is one of the best. That's a fact Yeah, but I'm not opposed to you can talk Micro sparrow 2 So good, so let's go look at it c-mos camera. There's micro sparrow 2 Micro sparrow 2 is a great c-mos camera. It has a very if you like ccd cameras But you are kind of being forced into buying a c-mos camera. It's 4 3. That's a that's An important thing to consider. I would prefer to fly 4 3. I like having plenty of up and down Where's my quad? The um, it's good to do what camera do I have on there? So this is the jb microeco Yeah, but I like that camera. So I have your camera Yeah on my and I like that should I just stick with it? Yeah, stick with it So this one's 41 what I and I trust your opinion, but we're out of stock on it the microphone. Really? Yeah I must have got the last one literally. Yeah, the jb microeco. I obviously I like it because I tuned it Uh, it has great dynamic range and great low light sensitivity It does have a little bit of noise in the image that some people really object to as long as I can see 46 so similar price. Yeah, it's a little it's a little bit expensive But it's I mean, it's only a couple bucks and it is switchable and I do like it and I already have it So you're gonna go with it go with this one. Okay the vtx Um, I like the tramp Because you got the wand because I have the wand. Yeah, however, I just installed a mach 2 the other day How different is the mach 3? Mach 3 takes 6s voltage and goes up to 1 watt output power Okay, that's not as important to me. What don't let's let us this What don't you like about the tramp if anything if I were to critique the tramp to the two problems I have is it's one it's it's bigger than a lot of flight control. I'm sorry vtx's We got a lot of room in here though. Yeah, but I still like to keep it Light or you know, if I don't have to use space, but you're right. Yeah, we could we could fit it Um, the other thing is I like seeing what channel I'm on There's no display. I like the mach 2 has the channel right and power band channel power right on the display So I think the question is how much do you care about keeping the ability to use the wand Because the tramp the mach 2 or the mach 3 supports smart audio, but you can't you have to do it in the goggles I I know it sounds silly, but I I like just being able to push the button and look at it You like the button. Yes, okay So we're going to move away from the tramp for that reason well in size So we could get the mach 3 the mach 3 is a fun choice again Obviously, I'm going to favor products that we make or sell nobody'd be surprised about that 25. Oh, so this is what I just Bought and I really liked it. I I wasn't sure but they there's a bundle that we sell that is the the receiver In the vtx in a 3d printed thing It's 37 bucks great So and a little 3d and this one's the mach 3 the one I bought was the mach 2 So I can get the look at that. So the tramp is 30 bucks. Yeah, and it's out of stock the mach 3 With the receiver. Yeah Is 37 dollars plus the little Housing thing the receiver that comes with it is the rxsr. You're using free sky receivers. That's what your transmitter is And the rxsr is a great one. This has xm plus should I do the rxsr? Well, the rxsr is going to give you telemetry the xm plus is not yeah I want telemetry and you got to pick the color. What's the best color? I want black. Oh, we need an antenna Yep, we need a video antenna And we need props. Can I buy extra antennas for the Receiver you can't okay. So what antenna am I getting for antenna? I think durability is As important as performance maybe more depending on how much you're going to push your range So let's take a look at our choices. What about the little ones the stubby antenna Uh is more durable, but it's going to give you worse range because it's not as it's closer into the frame I would steer away from a stubby antenna on this guy. It doesn't have anywhere to mount a stubby antenna If we look at a frame, wait, can I get a 3d part? Probably I probably need that anyhow, right if we look at a frame like this is the skedouche frame It's got a little hole here for mounting an antenna if the connector will come through and the antenna will just screw right on That's a great application for a stubby antenna And you can see how that would be more durable because it's not sticking way out there and getting whacked knocked around But also worse coverage. You want to try and get a 3d print it out? Wait, what's the connector? The connector is mmcx on the Mach 3 So it comes with a sma pigtail Or you see you can plug an mmcx antenna directly into it or you can get an sma antenna I like as few joints as possible So you're going to then be getting probably an mmcx antenna like the like this But that's got a 90 Yeah, like the pagoda. Do we want the 90? Uh, like this, right? I think you're probably going to want that coming straight out the back Yeah, yeah, especially because the vtx is going to be mounted on the stack So if the vtx is going to be mounted in the back of the quad as it often is We're going to fit it on top of there Well, that's that's what that 3d printed thing you got. I guess you can put it back How am I going to see the channel? It's a good question Cut a hole in the top That that 3d printed thing you got is designed to go on top of the stack Well on my skedouche I put it behind it I don't know if you're going to have enough room on the back of the cl1 The back of the cl1 tapers down That's a 36 millimeter sized Because it's designed to be the same size as the flight controller But you can see a 36 millimeter sized thing is not going to go back here There's not enough room back here on the back Okay, should I do the tramp? You can still use the mach 3 But maybe not with the 3d printed thing Just we'll just stick it back here Okay If the mach 3 was going to go in the back here I probably would go for a 90 degree antenna Because I would mount the mach 3 sideways And then have it stick out the back Okay The straight one If you Oh I see So we need the 90 I think I would go with the 90 if it's going to be mounted in the back Okay So probably I can get a luminaire For 1799 Yeah There we go So this is the one I want 1799 Okay And it's got a 90 Okay And then we're going to try to find a 3d printed mount for that For this one Let's see if we can find the right mount Because there's going to be a mount that just holds this Add that to the cart We might recommend stuff right? It would be great if we did that No Of course not Search for Axie mount Because there's a mount specifically for the Axie There That's it Oh that's the one for the CL-1 That's exactly what we want Seven bucks Perfect Perfect All right so that's what we're getting right Yeah All right Oh I'm nervous About to hit the buy button The last is props Wait I need antenna tubes See it recommended them Oh good point I like clear Not like clear because I want to see the antenna All right I think we have everything but props What kind of props I like durable So when we're thinking about props Generally we want to think about size and pitch We know we're going with five inch props That's a good all-around choice And that's what we're targeting with our frame Pitch is the angle of the prop Props with a higher pitch are going to make more thrust But also kill your battery more I do like more flight time So we'll be leaning towards lower pitch props And that'll also help with that throttle management thing You were talking about earlier in the video Okay They're going to be less powerful But they'll be easier to manage HQs makes excellent props They're a little bit pricey for some people I do like that I'm not worried about price on props Because it's so minor I mean the price differences are so little Yeah okay You know what I really like It does add up I will say for the people out there It does add up if you're crashing a lot For durability I love by blades I do Why would you say We're not putting by blades on a quad Actually I think by blades you still have a purpose in FBB For like racing in very very specific scenarios Where you need to go around But not for freestyle Definitely not for freestyle That's just disrespectful Explain why One sentence Why So this is kind of like the whole argument With they Everyone I actually did a really good episode about this A few years ago I feel like that's just a better episode of link to discusses But essentially Try blade props generally I feel like I'm going to sound really dumb with my response Maybe I should just say go watch that video By blades But hold on Wait this is what I want to cover in this video Like right there So here's what happens to everybody I want to buy blade props I'm a newbie We've got two industry pros here They're like oh my gosh that's stupid Because but then I ask you I call you on the carpet And you're like oh I'm going to sound stupid explaining it Now I'll tell you what What do you see Here's why By blade props are more durable You're right that they're more durable They're easier to balance Because it's easier to balance two things across a pivot Than three things Right The downside of by blades is that they make less thrust And the cornering handling is worse Triblades will carve in a corner more precisely So when you say less thrust Less efficient No they're actually more efficient All else being equal But it will also make more thrust Even though it's less efficient It's more thrust per rotation But you're using more energy The pilot who would want to use a by blade prop Is a long range pilot who needs maximum efficiency And So you're giving up some handling Yeah and top speed pilots Because the by blades can achieve a higher rpm Because they have less drag Okay But for an average pilot A triblade will give much better handling With better thrust and adequate responsiveness Okay And you might ask then why not go to four blades Well in fact you do get even better handling With four blades But they're way less durable Yeah every blade you add You're adding less durability And they're way less responsive And have less top end power But what about your by blades Well I've never flown those But I would steer away from by blades So Alex wait would you agree with his No I would agree And the way I actually was going to describe the The triblade prop versus the by blade Is just on my experience When I tried a triblade prop for the first time I found that I was getting a little Not much more thrust But just a little bit more thrust But I found that the quad flew way smoother On triblades There's nothing wrong with running by blades I was just giving Chad crap Because I know he knows better than to say by blades So by blades are kind of a throwback So when you say hey I want to put by blades on It's just like okay Chad And we know you like old stuff That's why we do it That's why we do it That's why we do it Your footage is just going to be so smooth No but it's smooth Actually the one thing you said That perked me up is the smoothness You're saying that triblades are more smooth Going with triblade props HQ is a great choice Well I like these smoke colored ones One of the things I love about HQ Is that they're available in a bunch of pitches So they have a 4.0 pitch A 4.3 pitch A 4.5 pitch Should I go all the way to 4.0? 4.0 is probably not enough prop for that motor I would recommend like a 4.3 Okay I like HQ Yeah 5x4.3 is a great choice I like HQ because I like Zong Don't get the black ones Clear black or smoked black is okay But the actual plain black props Are made of a different kind of plastic And then less durable I did not know that What about clear? Fine Colored props up Don't get the plain black ones Okay so we have an old battery Let's check Oh batteries So we decided that we're going for 4.0 batteries 4.0 voltage That's a good starting point Honestly it can't Just the way I'm going to fly Pretty much any battery I just want a cheap battery Yeah So the race equads line batteries Are good performance at good price You just have to ask yourself what size battery 13 or 1500 maybe 13 or 1500 mAh is a great starting point For a 5 inch freestyle quad 3 pack for $51 So that's the CNHL That's also a really really good budget battery Okay I'm going to go Because we have China HobbyLine in stock And that's a 3 pack Yeah Okay So any little accessories Like 3D printed parts How am I going to mount my GoPro? We need a GoPro mount All right That would be okay with a battery strap Universal I have Yeah No not that one Just get this That's weight that's 40 I want 30 degrees probably I think that I think that because the TPU is flexible I'm really sure that'll work And we can check that when we go down there And see if it'll fit We should really have a GoPro mount For our own freaking product Yes absolutely It's only available in pink You have to just get it Just get it You'll be fine It's just Check it out But if I do blue it'll match It's only available in pink It's only available in pink Everything else is out of stock That would bother me so bad It's bothering me It's got a color match I think you're brushing through this I think you're taking me for granted I'm rushing? Yeah Because how am I going to mount We've been here for like 2 hours How am I going to But no this is a good thing Before you hit the buy button Uh huh Um look at your shopping cart Oh 18 items Go get a cup of coffee Think And like like just work You know look at one of your other builds And think about the stuff you've left out What if you don't have any other builds Jack? What if this is your first Then go you can go to hell No one should do a first build When I'm doing a build The minute I need something that I don't have Like oh I need some double sided sticky tape I'll put it on a list And or I'll just go to Amazon and buy it Because I have Amazon Prime So I don't worry about shipping Eventually then you have all those things After you've done like 3 builds So if it's your first build There will be something you need That you didn't think to order That's going to happen Just just make a note of it And order it and then eventually you'll get there What about mounting This is okay I need to bring this up now Because this is the one thing That just irritates the crap out of me Is placement of the stack Because yeah I know they come with the gummies And all that And you put a screw through Do we need M3 standoffs? But almost every time what happens is You put it in And what's going to happen The ESC is going to touch the carbon fiber Yeah So what we can do is we can get an M3 assortment So what we want is M3 nylon standoffs M3 is the screw size And nylon is the material and standoffs So let's get this one Well that's steel bolts Oh that's heavy Well and It's probably stainless steel Those are fine That's good I would buy that You should have that For 10 bucks You should have that in your house I agree Then you're going to want That comes with Holy crap Look at all that 5, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18, 20 That's what you just said earlier Yeah Then look for an M3 nylon assortment Nylon Yeah So there's that I actually want that You want that too So those are I didn't even know we sold this We sell that but not the GoPro mount for the CL-1 You know what else Who's running this company? Drew Wow Way to throw Drew under the bus tab You know what I saw was the rubber standoffs Did you see that? Yeah those So now that flight controllers all come with these little rubber gummies To mount on The rubber standoffs aren't necessary anymore I think Oh really? Yeah so here look right here These little blue things here are silicon gummies they call them Right And they provide vibration isolation for the flight controller And in this case apparently also the ESC You don't need the rubber standoffs that you were looking at before Would it hurt? Yeah actually sometimes having too much vibration isolation causes problems And I've actually I've talked to people who are using gummies and standoffs And they get these weird oscillations Okay If you think about it you want it to be Damped enough that it cleans up the vibrations But not so loose that it swaps around So um place the order and go pick it up Yeah Yep Drew See this is the part that I hate the most We don't have enough Right Enough for it to be like that Yeah That's what needs to be We gotta back up See these Every build has some unique combination A soft mount No of stacking Oh right Like every build I do So on this particular build I opted just to use what was included Which was little hobby wing spacer that also holds the ESC in Typically when I'm building my quads I usually take one of these gummies I cut them in half And then I use that as space in between the ESC and the flight controller However the gummies on the hobby wing ESC They don't really hold the ESC down Whereas the gummies on the actual flight one ESC Do a great this isn't a good example Because I still have a plastic standoff in there But my point is any way to separate the flight controller from the ESC That keeps just enough separation but holds them both in place is what you need I spend more time trying to figure out how to stack the stack Than the rest of the build What I'm going to do is I'm going to stick this through And then I'm going to check it against the size of the standoff Okay So then we're going to put an M3 nut here And that should give us enough That's really close But it's not going to touch And then do we just Alex do you just set the flight controller right on top Or do you have another spacer You have to put a spacer in between Is there another spacer So we'll use that Well because even if it's not touching the ESC has a lot of stuff going on Exactly it wouldn't be bad to have something to hold this ESC down So I would If we put another nut So that's why I like having these assortments Also you want to mount your flight controller your USB is facing down like this Really I've been told that it makes it fly better And I've personally seen it fly better Here's why here's why This is the processor Yep That makes the whole thing go When it is Go go processor When it's next to the ESC It gets more electrical interference Right side up Then it's shielded a little bit by the circuit board And it protects it from the noise It's not the it's not the USB that matters It's the it's this chip here Okay I'm going to break into this video It is now about two weeks later And I've had the time to get into it And really tweak some things So rather than showing you how we initially built it I'd rather show you how you should build it I'm going to break this down And talk about each component And why I have it the way that I do The first thing we're going to start with here Is the battery placement and the power lead So I have the power lead coming out of the front So the battery lead can stretch over the top and connect The reason I do that is because the back gets awfully congested Some people like it to come out directly on the side Which I often get concerned about the props It depends on the frame But sometimes the props get really dangerously close to it And I definitely don't like it coming out the back Because that's where all your antennas are coming out And it just gets too congested I do use two battery straps The reason is is because battery straps will break at some point And it's good to have an extra one on there And then of course I love using the umma grip And you know what I do have this If you don't have umma grip or you can't get it for some reason This is weather stripping It's not as pretty But it does work And you know if you you could just use maybe a couple strips On your top plate Put it down like that So two strips of weather seal Like I said it doesn't look as nice But it does work great Before I take it all apart I wanted to show you how I have the GoPro mount on here It's a race day quad's 30 degree GoPro 6 slash 7 GoPro mount And I did two things One I have a um double stick tape Just to keep it from sliding forward or back And then two heavy duty zip ties It's these bigger thicker kind of zip ties I'm just going to cut these off so you can see I did do one thing It's maybe kind of interesting You see this I took my soldering iron And I I made like little grooves this way Because oftentimes even with the double stick tape On a hard enough crash It can slide forward or back With just the zip ties and the stick tape So by adding those grooves this way It gives it a little more grip So it doesn't move back or forth Now I want to talk about the camera placement Initially this camera comes with this little cage here You see these mounting holes right here Without the cage you just mount here And we connected this front hole to that hole And the problem was You could see the front standoffs Because the camera lens Was actually slightly behind those front standoffs So what we did was added the cage to the camera Even though it's not necessary And I added another hole in the camera mount So the camera mount that comes with the CL-1 This blue 3D printed camera mount Comes with this hole up here I put another hole with the I just used a soldering iron You just heat your soldering iron up Poke a little hole in it And you got a new hole Now I should probably have a washer on there But it's held pretty well The other thing that I did was I took a little bit of umma grip And put it underneath the camera Just to keep it from shaking around Just so it has something down there And to change the angle It's just friction fit You know and you can just move it how you want it I got it fairly tight The placement of the ESC And the flight controller This special little formula Of spacers and gummies Is always tricky In that kit of standoffs It gave us these little nylon nuts That were just the right spacing So I was able to put one at the bottom Use the regular gummy that comes with the ESC Put one in between And the gummy for the flight 1 flight controller You'll notice I don't have anything on top We just run this without any Because it fits tight enough That it's not going to go anywhere And it has not loosened Or come up or off or anything Most all-in-one ESCs Are going to come with a capacitor This one isn't as big as some But I was able to fit it in between the camera And the stack Okay so this is a little tricky to show here This is the radio receiver And you can see I have it zip tied to one of the Other camera mounts So the CL-1 comes with a shorter and a longer camera mount And I use the shorter one as a holder For the radio receiver And you can see it just mounts to the standoff And then I heat shrink it and zip tied it To that And then the antennas just come out of that And they go back to the 3D mount And that's how we have the radio receiver placed Also in there we have the Mach 3 The video transmitter We can see it's right there Just have double stick padded tape down here We have the 90 degree antenna And you can see the axi It just loops around there and goes up into the 3D mount So everybody went off because you guys had a shoot to do And I was just going to finish the setup I plugged it in It didn't recognize the flight controller Did you have the right drivers installed? I don't know But at that point I was so frustrated Because I'm just I'm trying to put myself in the In the mindset of a newcomer You can put all this physical stuff Yeah And then you got to plug it in And it wasn't recognized And you have to do some computer programming So I grabbed another USB cable Still didn't work Until I grabbed the third USB cable Oh really it was just the cable Yes It wasn't even a driver thing A lot of people don't know this But some USB cables are strictly for charging And don't pass information properly Be aware of that Because something like that it just demotivates you And you're like you put all this work in And you just you don't know why it's not working That's something I think is important But you know one of the things I want to do Is I want Rota Riot to be able to accommodate All of these little tiny little things And help people through the process We got to hover it in the warehouse And actually got to watch all of you guys fly it Which is really impressive in a tight location All I would do is hover it in there I'm not gonna You just got to record it So now that it's all done And we hover it We know it works I would consider that a big success It's a good looking quad, Chad It really is Thank you, Joe Actually I'm serious It's a good looking quad I think it is a good looking quad You were better at it Why are you a loader? Why are you a loader? There shouldn't be one from that Oh, they're pretty one It's pretty under filtered setup But you don't have to fly it with a GoPro outside and everything And just see how the motors feel after that My motors get pretty warm after your test hour But my quads are pretty under filtered as well It's just one of the things you need to take in If you're gonna run flight one There's all these different default pins that you can pick And some of them are from custom pilot setups And some of them are really under filtered So make sure you fly them And keep in mind too Like if you bend a prop or something And a crash Those under filtered settings may not be the best for you So you just play around with all the defaults And if you have questions about the filtering Go check out the flight one Facebook group People are more than happy to answer the questions That was a great ad Right? Is that any more ear-pasting? The intent of this episode was to walk through... This is like undercover boss But I wasn't undercover But I wanted to... You're a Chad capper Wait, you're a Chad? Yeah At the end of undercover boss The boss talks about what he learned And also gives a college scholarship To one of his employees Okay Great But more importantly What did you learn about the experience of being a customer? I think the biggest thing And I anticipated this going into it And I thought this was... Is it was going to be all the tiny little things Like the spacing I think that one thing that this episode And kind of picking all the components Taught me was that As an experienced pilot It's really easy to know what you need to put on a quad But for someone who's getting into it Like you said knowing all the spacers I think maybe we should put sort of Some whole completion pack Or some type of guide to some of these builds Or maybe have like a checklist of stuff In there because I mean I'll be quite honest I still forget stuff when I'm putting quads together And having like a checklist of stuff to know to get Would be really really nice And for someone who's building their first quad as a beginner You know Nothing's worse than ordering all the stuff And then getting halfway into your build And like oh no I need these screws and not having them So I think we need to just be ultra Ultra sure that we cover everything in the store Any learning materials We just need to be more comprehensive overall Thank you guys for checking out this build with cappuccino Let us know what you struggle with What are some of the most difficult things About building one of these drones If you've been doing this for a while What did you struggle with when you're figuring this out And if you are just building for the first time And you're stuck What are you stuck on We want to help you We want to make it easier for people to get into this And get over all of the little problems That feel like insurmountable mountains But promise every little build issue Is one that can be solved and figured out And everyone should be able to get in the air And enjoy the best part of this Which is actually flying That's what you're going to do next time So stay tuned to the next episode of Cappuccino's adventure into FPV And we're going to get them flying Going around some gates We're going to get them some coaching from Jeff It's going to be a great time So we'll see you there