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There's a children's menu, you're allowed to walk. Chicken fingers or cream cheese. Here's all the cream cheese. Yeah, cream cheese. There's cheese in here. There's cheese in here. It's something with cheese and a couple of prawns. Yeah. Hi Roger, how are you? Good, I just made you a coho so you should be able to do your camera too. He's living a life, he's been in the car for a few nights and I was going to swim for a few hours. I'm sorry, but he gets up behind us. You see everyone Roger? Never mind. Hi Roger, I'm over here. What's going on over here? He wants to be in the corner so he's not seen you. I'll raise my hand like this. That bolt's possible for now. I can't, I can't. I'm sorry to say that to you. I can't. Hey Aria. Sad to report you went to the tour today. They said maybe the last people would go down in the valley. Really? They're going to have it over there. Yeah, probably. It's Wednesday. You can see everything. But it was really neat. I'll get a couple of them. Nope. I got a couple ditch things. I got one in front of me. He navigated it well. Well, he only had one. Three transfers. Three different buses. So I missed my last chance to walk at the bottom of the lake. I think so. Now all we can do is go to school in here. Although it's not happening with me. I'll bet when it's all done. It's all done before they film. One more chance. I'll have to remember that and try to take that one. That would be so cool. As long as we're not trying to carry one. I said, okay, if you're in the short window. One week window and I'll let you do that. It looks like the other week. So I'm going to go ahead and call the order. Yes, Alison Gould here. Here. Roger Lane, here. Here. Here. Here. Hello. Here. Here. Here. Here. Yeah. and council member here the first order of business for today will be the election chair so I'm gonna open up the floor for nominations for the board chair person. I recognize Roger Lane. I'll take it that there's no second nomination all right. So the board, one favorite of nominating Roger Lane is president for the upcoming year. Roger I apologize I didn't even ask you if you wanted to be president. Would you accept? Is that good for you Roger? That's fine. Okay all right. I'm gonna turn the floor over to you Roger for the nomination of the vice chair person. Okay, so why don't we go ahead with that and I'll entertain nominations for vice chair. Are there any nominations for any of the board members? Scott has one. Roger I'd like to nominate Allison by our board please. Is there a second? Yeah I'll second. I would be pleased to. I would be the vice chair all in favor say aye. Aye. Congratulations Allison. Thank you you too Roger. All right well very good that was not very well just I thought I just mentioned case and had mentioned this the reason I'm not down there today is where North Carolina my wife and I got called about 10 days ago so I figured I'd stay away for a meeting so that's why I'm here and sorry I may not be there anyway that's just the way it is so let's move on to the approval of previous months meeting any comments or concerns about last month's meetings minutes was there a option to approve them? Seven. Second. Second. Four of us now. I know it's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good one. Okay. Next water staff report. Roger Nelson will do it. Okay go ahead Nelson. Okay thank you Rhett. Well the St. Brand Creek Alliance today is 71 CFS and 125 year historic average is approximately 125 CFS for this date. Call the St. Brand Creek is the Pomerantan Ditch having number 5,630 with a priority date of May 31st, 1865. Calling the main stem of the South Platt River impacting District 5 is Lower Latham having number 11,620 and the priority date is October 24th, 1881. Ralph Price Reservoir at Button Rock Preserve is full and spilling. Elevation of 6,400.2 feet releasing 30 CFS. Union Reservoir is at an elevation of 26.7 feet, 11,786 acre feet so it's down approximately 1,000 acre feet from full and we're releasing 15 CFS and then on the St. Brand Creek basin storage as of August 1st, 2022 it was at 77% from full and as you can see from the call on St. Brand Creek with it being Pomerantan Ditch it's fairly full, I mean probably senior so that called out Rough and Ready Alligarchy. So we're releasing out a pleasant ballet for flows going into Rough and Ready Ditch for irrigation and we're releasing out Birch Lake Alligarchy Reservoir number one for Alligarchy Ditch irrigation water. So any questions, concerns? Go ahead Alison. What is Pomerantan and that's super senior? It's fairly senior. The next senior to it is Lama Supply and when we get to Lama Supply that's most the major ones. There's some smaller ones that are senior to Pomerantan and Lama Supply but next in line is Lama Supply which is lately the last several years, less you can track me. Last several years it has been Pomerantan right around the middle of August and Lama Supply towards the end. So we're lucky that we have been the last several years until these are storage so that we can go to storage for those ditches. When do you think we'll kick into Lama Supply and what the call could be? You know I don't, it's dropping quit so it could be, I hate to say it but it could be the end of the week so but I don't know. We need the positivity so he actually beat us all on the peak swell by the landslide so I'm going to listen to Ken, it's going to rain and we're going to be okay. So if we don't get rain it's probably going to be towards the end of the week but if we get rain we'll keep it in. If we get rains for several days we might be able to keep some other. What it really shows you is the value of that supplemental CVT supply and how much we rely on that and I think this year though the river stayed in much longer than originally expected. We would have thought that we wouldn't have been as junior a call as long as we were so feeling good about that but you know if this is added especially coming off that little tour we have today that CVT really does help us in these matters on the roads. All right thank you Nelson. You're welcome Roger. Heather any public confidant to be heard or special presentations? We have none. Any agenda or visions? Okay. All right on to development activity. Ken are you going to cover that? Oh I'll have to take this one. Thank you. So in front of you on page nine of your packet well Commercial Center are finally one final plan. This is an update. It's an update for acreage. Oftentimes when a plan set comes through it's at the final stages but sometimes they're just not quite there. So maybe I didn't hear that. I'm starting to rain rather grossly here. Listen to Ken. I'm just saying. But for the second discussion well Commercial Center filing one final plan is a 13.194 acre parcel. The historic water rights were all transferred in time of annexation according to the raw water policy. Both Commercial Center filing one final plan will be in compliance with the city's raw water requirement policy. The blood satisfaction is 3.516 acre foot deficit at time of final plan approval. We must be ready for it. Yeah really. Let's go back to development activity. Ken where did we leave that? Wes was just going to make a presentation. Okay. So let me just do that. I apologize. One second Roger. So we have Quo Commercial Center filing one final plan in front of you. The total acreage of 13.194. Actually it's a typo in my report. It's 6.177 acres. Let me transfer to the city ownership. So the remaining 7.17 acres will have full requirements due that deficit is then 3.516. So Quo Commercial Center filing one final plan will be in compliance with the city's raw water requirement policy upon satisfaction of the 3.516 acre foot deficit. Thank you Ken. That was one of the changes that I did here but in my background calculation. I just thought maybe I was reading it incorrectly. So that's really all I have Roger on that. Any questions or concerns about the proposal? Is there a motion to approve? I did maybe quickly. What is the city plan to do with you said to be used for future municipal purposes but the city is going to own it. So what is that I guess? So part of that is going to be part of the west side of the Long Island Museum and I think it's going to be like a parking area that may be a future expansion of the building. I don't know if we're positive. There was just an agreement that the building was reached for them to have that parcel. So it'll be a parking lot. It was originally going to be a parking lot but there's been talk about other enhances to Quill campus overall that you might use that space in a different way. No plans for a bit of time. Oh we're very under-parked by the Soviet for the museum and we actually are also entering into a parking agreement with the developer. It's a lot of people who park on their property in the museum and the rest are under-parked there. Oh yeah. I mean I do park them in there. You're going to test. Having driven by there and you're going to sit on the map, I think there's a row of rich corridors here and there. Yeah I think the part of that's the left hand creek. So there's going to be some greenway Is that part of what he's owned? That's going to be part of what we own and maintain municipal purposes for. Okay so we're going to have like a work portion? Yeah there'll be some parcels that are adjacent to left hand creek and then also we'll have an additional lot that we use as part of the museum. Okay that's great. I move too. I'll second that. Want to say her? Hi. Okay all right thank you. Next I have a quote for you. Do you want something for us? I do. Good. Did you share it with us? Yes I will. All right so last meeting I'm going to pull up my nose with our own microphone so I'm not I promise I'm not like texting or annoying or anything. So last meeting we spoke about the water efficiency master plan and that we're undergoing an update in the next coming years. So I'm going to talk more about our timeline for that and where we see the update going and get you all speed back for those. So here's a little bit of our timeline. We're still on mile seven one developing this before create communication plan and outreach materials but we're hoping to have everything finished and submitted to the state by the end of 2024. That will be when it's due is 2025 and so we're hoping to get above that timeline. So this is just an overview of what we've accomplished. I went over this in our last meeting but just to revisit our main partnerships again our efficiency works under so central. They're the ones who run most of our indoor and outdoor efficiency programs. We've done a couple of outreach projects like advertising we do regular city newsletter articles and outreach through there. A lot of converging to raw water irrigation in our parks and most of our golf courses and then our automated meter reading our AMR meters are still under way so that's kind of what we accomplished. Here are a couple of charts. The one on the left is our participants year to date in all of our programs so you can see which ones are most popular and which ones we need more work on and then on the right is our annual water savings based on our indoor and outdoor programs and as you can see in 2018 we had a significant savings through in your programs and so when we went back to look at those numbers and why we saved we had so much more participation that year is efficiency works did a targeted outreach program for multi-family housing and during that time we did over 2,000 audits water efficiency audits in apartment complexes and multi-family homes we provided rebates for nearly 200 toilets and thousands of aerators and shower heads which really is where we're getting that huge update so this data is important for us to keep in mind as we continue through our update progress is we want to continue to do programs that are successful so again this was through our partner efficiency works we haven't been able to do anything like this since COVID so hopefully as as we continue to just navigate our current times of unknown we can continue to do projects like this I don't foresee that we'd see this big of a participation again in long month but hopefully we can get near that number so that's something to keep in mind as we do our program goals. Can I interrupt? Yeah. So on long month it has a number of new multi-family projects going up a lot of them are aimed at low-income although not all of them do our current building codes require that the efficiency efficient stuff is already in there. I believe so Colorado is a water smart state which means that all of our new toilets, sinks, shower heads have to be in certain standard which is why we probably want to ever see that big jump again is because those are all kind of retrofitting things that weren't meeting those design standards we can't even get the toilets that we used to build anymore like they don't sell them anywhere so as we continue to have new developments our indoor programs will see less participation which is why we also want to make sure we're focusing on our outdoor programs too. So this is just a general direction of where we see that we want to go first and foremost we want to see a more aggressive conservation goal. Our current goal through our efficiency program is 10%. On average we meet that annually but it just kind of depends on what kind of water you are having. Our climate action task force which was run through the sustainability department asked us to do a 35% goal. Council approved not that exact number but for us and you can correct me if I'm wrong but for us to continue to do more aggressive conservation goals they have not approved 35% as our goal so we can talk about if we want to reach for that high I don't know if that's the best thing that we want to do but we can see. We also want to make sure that we're addressing our climate change impacts on our future water demands and supplies. We currently don't have any language in our water efficiency master plan about climate change so we want to make sure that we're implementing that language. Secondly we want to make sure that we're creating sustainable and equitable landscapes. So you heard Frank today talk a little bit about our growing water smart workshop that we're going to. That's a workshop that Ken and I are attending to with a lot of planners and city developers to make sure that we can update our city code and design standards. That's the ultimate goal so that we are hitting those efficiency goals in our development moving forward and so that will be a really good update in October for you all to see how that went but we definitely want to implement those goals into our efficiency update plan. We also want to make sure that the city is acting as a role model and I would like to ask you all's opinions. We've talked a little bit about turf transitions but what does the city being a role model for efficiency look like for you all and how can we put that into our plan? So this is the hardest piece but if the city has a way to apply some pressure to the HOAs which have maps tracks of bluegrass under their control and we can't make them do anything about it so if there is some way that that incentives could be created that would be a huge huge win for conservation. You know they can't stop us from zero escaping our yards anymore but we can't make those zero escape their lands their open space. I would probably support that and I think that some folks in HOAs don't understand that there are laws preventing HOAs from preventing you from going waterways so if you're educating the homeowners themselves the moving extent can make a big difference. Good point last last last summer I was just told with the shaking finger by an HOA president we can't have zero escaping it's against our common sense. But yeah you're right a lot of people don't know. Another point in this maybe kind of a bigger question is what happens to the conserve or save water? I mean if that water is ultimately just maybe not used by one lump but used by another range of municipality is the net outcome the same? So I guess from my perspective I would ask the question how are we positively and proactively purging water back into the natural stream as opposed to just I think that's an important question and you know to me it's like solarization you know we don't really have a need right now to encourage people to put solar panels on their roofs you know it's not going to pay us back. The problem the thing is if we increase urban density and we are probably accommodating a larger population than the current record says and if there is drought at the same time which has an increase in probability as well then we would like to be ready so if the water just flows down and eventually ends up in the water table somewhere on the prairie now that's okay but if we increase our capacity to not consume water then it will serve us well in the future that's what I think because it's really hard when you know when it's all done by gravity it's really hard to put it back in the river right. Any other feedback on city role? One of the things we really want to have a conversation that'll be part of the master plan process is really defining what we feel like we should do as a city what does it mean to be a role model? It may mean us going much further than we have in the past. Maybe we're happy with what we are. I think that's a process we want to go through but we wanted to get you thinking about it. I can in my mind bring up a lot of things that we could do but that's what our community or citizens wants to know. That'll be the task. Yeah I mean one thing I think of when I see a bullet like this right it's like what scale are we talking about? Are we thinking about the city as a role model for its citizens or are we thinking about the city as a role model for other municipalities or cities right so like we want to be kind of out in front of a lot of these univations and etc so other cities looking for us and say oh what a role model right or are we just talking like the city is a role model for its citizens so for example not having you know leaky irrigation or parks that you know the obvious everyone who goes to the park. Yeah it's framed currently in in our minds of the municipality being a role model for our community members but I love that you're minded there and so maybe that can be a long term goal of of long not being a water efficiency a water efficient community that other communities move towards currently I mean that's really important it's like they're really water efficient but we can be there someday too but I think it's important for us as the city to have efficiency so that our community members can say well the city is doing well like for example our turf conversion on the lawn here at this center like 50% of this yard is water-wise turf but you will never know that unless you know so I think it's it's important for us to be efficient and be leaders for our community members and educate them on we are green grass but we're using half the water that we use to use this stuff. Yeah I mean I you know so I mean the most obvious stuff is of course like I said the irrigation and the things that you would look at your neighbors and say that's unfortunate or whatever and so you know that's the obvious stuff the less obvious stuff I think is the things that we even discussed on the viewer today right while we were at Northern Water which is you know the types of conversion projects deliver you know water usage on you know city managed properties that are perhaps more obvious than the one that's tucked away here in neighborhood you know like where you're you know where the facilities are here right and instead of the places where like people really see you know it's the medians on Kencraft or it's the you know like it's all of those places and I think that like the appropriate signage and things always keep it in mind that people are driving by you know that they're not walking through those spaces and but somehow like tried to take to get the word out through some type of signage or something you know and again in in more high visibility spots or even up parks you know where people are visiting etc so if that conversion project perhaps didn't take place on the soccer field because there's all kind of other factors involved with trampoline and that's right but but it marks where on the fringes or in places where people are you know rather than just back um no question I should know this and I don't because you know we threw out the first water recommendation of the climate action task force because it was just ridiculous and they didn't know that you can't put the water back in the Colorado but um then I stopped paying attention and they came back with another goal and that was this one this is 35 percent year over year 35 percent from our 2008 or 2019 from our 2019 music too that it's 35 percent lower than our 2019 demand half bill amount okay that's that's a lot consider astronomical a lot because the growth is going to add so right it's like a 70 percent that's right and we're looking at more growth yeah than the old build up definition so soon so it's still so she's a 70 percent reduction per capita for example like it yeah okay yeah because they asked for 35 percent but really on a per person basis that would be ridiculous because yeah because we have growth so many more people in the area but that's okay I mean this are our master planning out for this mobile thing I believe in a new number because we basically we've been 100 percent so yeah you gotta have a little bit higher number than 10 some more between 10 and 35 it's not great that's part of this so two things one um as you guys consider the effect the lawnmower has on its neighbors or within the regional community consider whether that's a passive or we just do it really well when people should look and see it we do it really well and learn from that but whether it's more actively participatory into the regional fabric right and that's a little challenging because one month doesn't have the seamless ability to transfer water assets to other communities correct so that that's we insulate ourselves a little bit kind of no wall around what we can do with our water supply easily but at least from a conservation element that should be more active and passable should have a leadership role in really working with other communities because whatever we do doesn't it has an incremental effect but it's really a regional effort or a state-wide effort that has an effect right and then the second thing I hope is just and we talked about this last time scalability um you know the HOAs is a great place to start because they're big on tap on tethered lots of land but I continue to think that the um the the parkway space within at least old town or other parts of the community use a lot of water and if there was a way to scale up you'd be staying in grass component of that the big number and it's not going to be the number you had a couple years back the participatory decrease in gallons would be a big number there's a lot of ways to water and rain in the parkways of the city so there needs to be a way to figure out how to find resources to provide to those citizens that'll come like that and that's kind of funding more than anything else so it's not really even a water piece but it's it's finding the resources to provide as a center right and that goes back to that equitable case of ensuring that everyone has equal access um and those who don't have access that we help them have access it's important so what is uh long months kind of relationship to some of the things that we saw today so um I mean northern as our sort of as long as I think the stands well we have our own kind of sustainability department so therefore are you actively working with northern on the things that they were presenting the different types of replacement projects and things in that or I forget the name of that whatever the uh partnership that they have with channel gardens to have you know particular types of vegetation etc do we are we participating in those programs or do we say well we have our own department and so we'll take care of ourselves no northern is a huge partner we definitely participate in almost all the programs that they have and actually for in Canada we um some extra things so I'll pass these around for you guys but those are a couple of the things that we've participated in with northern um and so basically the biggest partnership with them is that they help us do those large irrigation audits um so for HOAs and commercial properties of course as parts those types of things um and then they provide so many grants so we the city can apply for their grants community members can apply individually HOAs can apply to all courses can apply so they're funding a ton of a ton of these like turf conversion projects as well um so no we and we don't we do our best not to silo ourselves um sustainability is a really like tight knit community um so sustainability departments and water departments we I'm in like five meetings a week of different groups of all across the cities um in the front range we're all sharing the resources and working really closely together yeah I mean of course that's that's a great thing to hear yeah should we all appreciate that um and does northern do audits that was some thunder so hopefully it's raining out there does northern do uh audits as large in scale as city-wide so all the city-wide property or are they focused mostly on HOAs for example so how much more um kind of bold so we could eventually have all our like all city-owned properties audited by northern it would just have to be like a project at that time yeah and to fill you all in we're hoping to do one of two parts actually two part irrigation audits this year um through northern and it's free to us as in a lot to you and so they hire that engineering company that they are finding about it's um aqua engineering and they come to do assistance analysis on our irrigation systems on like big properties like golf courses and those types of things so looking all the way into how it's designed and how we can change that efficiency so i'm just curious as to whether like if you were to put enough of those together enough of those audits together whether you'd be able to kind of like get a slightly more accurate estimate or something as to like what you could expect in the future in terms of your savings right so i mean if you had three or four kind of i don't know how you would select those somehow representative right parks get three or four of those done and then you said well these parts are representative of the other parts that we have in our system then we should be able to save the x amount over some number of years or something right and so at least it would maybe put a little bit kind of for rounds on some of the estimates that you're trying to assess for the future yeah that's great to go back to the savings and kind of you can't put it back in the river like say say for example we have three parks and we reduce the irrigation by 30 percent is that 30 percent and what's an option to that 30 percent? Is it going to be consumed somewhere else? Or is there a way that we can choose not to divert it from the west slope and allow it to flow in this natural basin? I mean i think taking that next step and what we're going to do with it and how your baby going to be not just someone who's returning from a range studying nutrients maybe someone who's studying nutrients with a range that fits in the west slope and i think especially in the bigger color i hope you've seen all the challenges that we're facing by having that type of ability to share we're really set for say about that so we're going to see not only be making the efficiency of doing something with it and something that it's not necessarily going to serve i think that's a great idea the question is what approach we would want to take because i believe and i could be wrong and you guys are lawyers and i'm not but as ken knows i really crammed on waterlog before running for this office but i believe that if we refuse diversions that we were allowed to make would we not be in danger of losing the right and priority as well as not even the water well um it's kind of a different answer on our driver's list versus cvd water okay cvd water the underlying degree zone by your information that water then is stored in grant it's allocated out of the grand v2 participants 310,000 participants in this long contracts in the cvd system at the end of the year we don't have any say whether or not it's converted or stored before what happens basically the system stores what it can most years the priorities not full so they store everything they have the right if we don't use it it will revert back to the system to be reallocated the next year but we don't lose our allocation priority we don't lose our underlying water right because that that will still continue to be diverted and used a greater conversation could be had with more learned and with the other information if we you know if there was a desire of a greater society to put some of our water on past lakeland that that would be that would be way beyond what we would have control on in terms of our native basin supply we do have you know our guiding water principles one of our principles is that we will use some of our supply for environmental benefits if it doesn't if it's excess in any given time and doesn't impact our water supply so there are things we can do but frankly we've always found it more effective over the years to do it with operationally rather than if we just say here river here's some water we have no right to keep the first ditch downstream from home so yeah that's a that's a huge that's a huge area you know I want to argue our water conservation beyond being the right thing to do and then it will help us move forward you know for future water supplies but it also could help reach a point where there is some access it could certainly be used for mitigation if you do it very carefully well I think what you would want to do is target a very specific objective right it's not just well we keep some water in the river for the fish or whatever right you target something really specific so maybe you've identified a particularly rich spawning ground or something that happens to be in between two places where you know you can release some water here and it won't be taken until it gets here right and so even if the next downstream user does take it that it doesn't matter that the benefit has already been happened right and so you know if you looked for those types of opportunities then you have a really tangible benefit rather than just kind of more more ambiguous one right so if you could really target something super specific that you could actually say okay this is the spot that can help or something I think the other thing to be considered is risk management you know for a long time organizations like CR Club were saying no more dams no more reservoirs were keeping the natural environment natural and they've kind of backed off on that as they have understood the potential harms of climate change and now they're thinking yeah risk management is important and we should let people build reservoirs in case things get worse so one thing that won't let things like the new reservoir expansion is a policy decision that might be good to consider or build new reservoirs takes a long time to get new ones but that's another thing awesome thank you so much for your feedback and all of this um you know okay all of this was it won't be possible without a robust education and outreach fund and so that's kind of my last point of of it over over arch and goal is to increase and maintain large and health and we do that through creating local environmental stewards we'll do that through education and so this is all to say like this is one you can serve this is and it is all of those points of planning for our future demand planning for the environment making sure that we'll be the steward of not only our watershed but the Colorado River watershed and continuing to increase so yep all right let me call you do we have you with us I'm sorry we uh we have finished with the presentation not quite yet just just do it thank you thank you that's a good discussion yes thank you yes but yes just just saying that all of these goals won't be possible without creating a robust education plan so making sure that that's in there as well um and creating stewards of our local watershed okay very good I just have one more I'm sorry I'm sorry I've been taken all the time no we're taking it um and so these are just a few of the program ideas that that we will continue with our programming that we have um with resource central with northern with efficiency works um but just like I mentioned education and outreach code updates and design standards um Colorado's scape priority prioritization which is like the new zero scape it's not that's kind of the word that we're choosing to use is Colorado scape just increasing prioritizing native landscapes um watering guidelines turf replacements um but if you all have any specific program ideas that you'd like to see you can talk about them now or if you think about them and send them to me but these are just kind of examples of where we see our program going but any feedback would be lovely okay let's move on to the next item thank you again thank you can you give us an update my new project yes sir um so I've got three projects I'd like to give you an update on so the south st. crane pump station that project's currently on schedule it's on budget and we're looking at actually tying into the north st. crane pipelines September 22nd after which once we've tied into that we'll immediately the following week will be doing startup and testing and calibration and getting everything turned on debugging and stuff like that so we're actually hopeful that you know beginning of October we'll be able to actually utilize that and we can start taking diverting water from the south st. crane creek through the pump station and pumping into the north st. crane pipeline so so anyway so the pump station project's going great and then kind of going back to the south st. crane uh creek diversion structure so you know we've been doing an investigation into our diversion structure there and our ownership there and so through through an investigation we found that you know ownership and everything like that it's kind of in question a lot of that stuff was purchased late 1800s early 1900s and throughout you know the past century and so anyway we have we have guidance from council as to what they would like us to do and we're going to start working with the adjacent property owners out there to firm our ownership in our inversion structure out there and at the same time probably help those residents firm their ownership as well and help establish your property lines and stuff uh there's been a lot of questions you know we've asked you know a couple couple decades about who owns what and so we're going to try to put that to bed and so i've begun discussions with all the interested parties and property owners out there and so far uh verbal conversations is going to be an understanding of what it is we all want to try to accomplish so i'm hoping within the next probably six months to maybe actually be proposing a final resolution as to how we're going to uh secure our property out there and then um the the last project i want to give you an update on was the uh button rock outlet so a couple years ago you might recall that we had rehabbed the outlet to button rock ham and that and uh that entailed um uh rehabilitating the gates and the hydraulics and the cylinder and all that stuff but one thing we weren't able to do was replace the bronze seat that the gate shuts down on so that bronze seats embedded in the actual outlet frame and everything and the way they constructed it designed it was never meant to be replaced so um fast forward a couple years to today and we are in september we're going to shut down the outlet let water go over the spillway and uh we're going to rip out that old um that old bronze seat and replace it with a two-piece seat that will be serviceable in the future um and so in doing so the main reason to do this is um that balzona that's like an epoxy that we applied in there um it's it's not really working and every time you shut the gate you know water's just spraying off in different directions we'd really like to have better control of our regular gate um so long story short um in partnership with um uh our plan operators o and m uh schnaubel ams american line services um who else is involved you got prime machine um there's a whole bunch of players involved we're going to shut down the outlet in september for probably three four weeks to finally rip that out and get that replaced so that that'll be a lot of um a lot of players and a lot of uh scheduled stuff but uh so far our probability for success is very high based on uh past projects and experiences such as this so if you want to see what rocks spill in september this is your chance to fix it's terribly spilling now but it'll uh yeah it'll uh it'll uh it'll definitely be spilling throughout the most of september in the early october thank you um just looking ahead on uh item 10 of this schedule for future board meetings uh and the information that we got in our packet uh is that it looks like we're going to look at winning gaffering projects and cash and loan review or those are two items that reflect your schedule for next month's meeting any changes in that at all uh i i haven't uh no um yeah that's just a verbal update for the winning gap cash lose our quarterly review right right um no uh the one thing i did want to talk about a bit at this point just to um send out an email to the board the colorado river connectivity project around the winning gap reservoir is having a groundbreaking on tuesday august 23rd um we did kind of ask norther today is there anything big going on or just turn a shovel of dirt and they said no i just turned a shovel of dirt so well everybody's welcome to go um there's ways to go just uh they're not going to do a tour i didn't know if they do a tour of the you know public existing them or anything else but they said they're gonna just a real short real short photo op so anybody's welcome to come give us a hall or if you want the details but that is good news though that that connectivity channel um we did i did we did hear from northern district today that i heard that but i hadn't had to cover all of the money all the final money from the natural resources conservation service and rcs for that project has now been committed um we kind of were told it was committed but but it wasn't official yet from washington dc which is kind of important and uh but we've been told it's all in hand now and the contract can go forward as a full-blown construction contract not much time left this year unfortunately but it's good news that's able to move forward great great well you know speaking of tours sorry i wasn't and i guess i wasn't able to go this morning but uh how and how did the tour go for you guys this morning uh yeah i mean i thought it was great um of course you know i i have i love big construction sites and things so um and there were a lot of really cool machinery at work out there that's for sure um and i think just just more importantly you know i'm just always impressed uh with with northern water and just kind of the the handle that they have on things you know i mean it's not um you know for one thing to go out and say oh yeah you know Bureau of Reclamation and Bill and Dan or Corbyn's and yours is Bill and Dan you know but this is a relatively kind of you know i probably nobody's heard of northern water before except for those of us who live around here i suppose and um just how kind of what a handle they have on even these really big uh projects and so i just i've always been really impressed with uh the way in which they kind of deal with things out there and and um and just the people that are involved and and i just i mean i really do it myself so that's great yeah i love how you comment um yeah i guess the to add on to what tom said and kind of elaborate is based on a lot of time on public outreach um and it really shows how much they try to make it transparent and accessible to people who are both invested in the project but also very nearby and i think that that has probably uh contributed to the success and warm reception when they have felt otherwise so i i thought that was a really interesting aspect like you normally see like in tiger you know engineers who are in charge of a project in two three hours at a day several days a week to speak to public audiences so that i think is really interesting great that's great and any comments on in order if you went visit you guys oh yes i did i enjoyed it thoroughly that's my first time back in the valley since uh groundbreaking so um it was delighted to see how much of the foundation was open and prepped and how the plan is done and so amazing amount of preparatory work out there already ready to get going it's going to really help help the dam and start going up fast so yeah i was thoroughly really glad to do it i'm alive uh did they say it's on schedule um yeah i did mention that today but um the last when you get participants meeting they showed the schedule based upon the expenditures um were right on track early on great great yeah i told the council that this really shows the benefits of foreign engineering because we had way fewer surprises than you would expect i think that's good that's good very good um no further items anybody have anything before we adjourn i'll i'll jump in roger with just an observation it's not really supremely relevant to our cash and loot conversation but i was a bit surprised uh boulder and lafayette worked out a deal with some landowners and some waters being conveyed and the highland shares are up at 450 000 a share i'm just transaction which is a big number um and the cbt that's being conveyed on camera there's 90 units or 118 just too many different fields that's 68 000 and i've seen some 68 000s a unit on development when it's just ones and twos because you pay what you pay but i haven't seen a municipality going at 68 um for that big blockhouse really surprised by that um yeah that's a 97 000 acre foot number based on that like seven acre foot yield so it's a really big number it's hard to about it yeah it was uh just one and a half times for me i don't know if anybody watched uh 60 minutes last night but i had quite a by the segment i was going on the colorado river with all the rest of the states and i thought that was quite interesting but uh water continues to get more and more important office based on okay well i'm looking forward to seeing you all even next month again thank you for your support and uh that's for adjourn thanks roger thank you roger and i'll listen once again