 So, I think that very much this idea pursuit of happiness is at the core of what created America, and I think it's at the core of what made the United Kingdom what it is. It launched an industrial revolution, it launched an intellectual revolution, and it made these two countries unique in human history. So, yes, I think if we can return to the idea that the world of government is to protect our freedoms, to protect us from coercion, to allow us to go out there and live with a capital L, then I think we solve all of our problems. But it came from a religious base. The Enlightenment is exactly, but the Enlightenment is the rejection of religion. The whole point of the Enlightenment, the 18th century is the rejection of the religion and the adoption of a secular basis for individual rights. And that's how we're doomed. Yeah, but when we lived in a religious society, we were poor and miserable and life was horrible. The fact is that life has improved dramatically under a secular society. We're Christians. I think where we can probably find agreement, though, is that whether it be based in the Judeo-Christian tradition, whether it be about the Enlightenment. And we've lost that. It is about the sanctity of the individual, and that was something that's enshrined in the Judeo-Christian thinking. But it's also in some of the Enlightenment thinking. And Tommy, if we have to cherish the individual, do we not? And enable the individual to pursue their dreams? Yeah, of course we do. But we've also got to remember that individualism, rampant individualism, that isn't checked by fellow human beings, fellow citizens. That's not getting to the argument whether it should be government and collectivist measures. But that is the thing about human civilization. We are not islands unto ourselves as individuals. If we were just nakedly pursuing our own individual self-interest on every single occasion, whether it's at the corporate level, oil companies going off and dumping things in our oceans or individual people exploiting people in their community or to generate profit from their misery, which is what we're seeing right in front of us across the channel with this, you know, a problem sort of business model. This is what happens, I think, when you don't have some kind of government that is there collectively. I mean, after all, government isn't separate from the people. That's the point. But that's a true Democrat. It's a false view of individualism because individualism is not the idea of living on an island. It's not the idea of separate society because society is a massive other people, a massive value to you. The idea that individualists go around raping and pillaging is absurd. Indeed, all the rapists and pillagers in the world and people initiate war are always collectivists, right? Individualists cherish their life too much to actually go out and commit these horrific actions that are being. We don't need government to protect us. We need government to protect us from really bad guys. But once you take out bad guys, even Adam Smith understood 250 years ago, it's pretty good. You know, the baker bakes the bread because he's trying to make a living and he bakes the bread well. Why? Because that's what entails making a living and because he has pride in baking good bread. And that's also a self-interested action. So individualism doesn't lead to all these horrific outcomes on the contrary. Individualism is the solution to them. All the bad things that happen in the world today happen in the name of a collectivistic ideal. So I think the solution is more freedom, not less, more individualism, not less, a shrinking of government that allows us to pursue our values based on our own minds. You know, we treat other people as if they're too stupid to take care of themselves. We treat the poor as if they don't know what they're doing and they need to get, we need to give them a check and we need to give them health care because we think they're subhuman. But if we treated them as human beings with dignity and respect, then we'd accept the fact that they can take responsibility for their own lives. What we need is to create the space for jobs to be created so that they can go and work. Work is where you get kind of dignity. And it's Proverbs 16 verse 9. Man makes his plans. God directs the steps. You leave God out of it. We're doomed. Man is not God. That's a fascinating debate. I'm so, I so enjoyed being a part of it. Disagreement, of course, this battle I could tell you. Disagreement, but that's trade, isn't it? That's interaction, that's exchange. Exchange is what it's all about. Absolutely. Thank you for listening or watching The Iran Book Show. 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