 So thank you very much for inviting us as parents first, as the president of an association, our association in France, and as a case law. Thank you. So I would just like to start to say, well, it was supposed to be a testimony. So I have to rush back in the past, in the year 1999, and where, as an apartheid couple, well, I am the apartheid person. OK, we followed the path which has been shown a few minutes ago by someone, sorry. And everything went very well. It was in LA, California, first in LA, then in California. And this is part of the result. I would say, sure, you all know, but maybe I can repeat it. It's a question of trust, it's a question of love, and it's a question of family, and nothing else. But I'm sure you are all convinced here, because I recognize this small world. And so what I have to add is to pass the record to my daughter, because she is the most important person to speak about surrogacy. Thank you. So I love. Hi, Paulette. Hi, Paulette. What's up? Hi. Is that not for? OK. No? It is working, do you hear it? OK. That was not working. Hello? No, that was a castle. OK. OK, sorry, sorry. And so I am the lawyer of experts on these subjects. So I will not speak about this topic. It's just about my life. So to put it simply, my sister and I were born 18 years ago in San Diego through surrogacy. So I have my two parents. I also have a surrogate. My name is Mary. And I also have eczema. Eczema, yeah. Yes, so it may seem so much to you, because you have only two parents, I think. But it's my life, and I don't know. I just know this, and it's really simple. I have no confusion on who is my parents and who is not. I know who my mom is. She's just right there. So I think that in France, in fact, it's the most general question. Yes, it's saying about when you're a surrogate at a poor person's life. It seems so confusing and so much to have more than two parents and to have a surrogate. But in fact, it's really simple. Right now, instead, it's just about development. And it's a huge gap between everything in my life where I know that I am my parents and everything is okay and I'm doing great, I think. And the rest of the world in France where I'm not recognized as my parents and we are trying to fight to be recognized like the family, like everyone else. I am both a really normal girl and I am really alone and different because of that, because the decisions and all those institutions we talk about makes you feel different to fight for something that you don't choose. I don't choose to be born as a surrogate. I don't choose to be in this family. I don't think anyone chooses a good family as a surrogate but I'm really happy to be born with my parents because they really love me. And it's hard to see that this is not recognized and we have to fight. It's been 18 years and it's not over. I have like my French passport two years ago and it's so strange because I've been living in France my whole life and I was not even French as a French citizen. So there is a really, really huge gap and I had to prepare the speech and of course I forgot it. I don't know what to say. Yes, I'm speaking and we are not every surrogate born person I think. I'm one of the oldest ones in France because it's very new and thanks to the association that my parents are more and more babies who are born every year and I think that's great because everyone deserves to be a parent and everyone deserves to be born in a family that wants you and loves you even when they are waiting for you to be born and you understand me. But to speak a bit about the institution and the Supreme Court and everything about that I don't really understand this because to me it's really simple. We are family and that's the end and now I want to go out with my friends and have fun but that's not it. Unfortunately, that's not the way but sometimes there are dark times there are times where I've seen my mom cry and when I've seen them really, really sad because of decisions telling them again and again and again that they are not my parents and I don't think that being born vice-versa is something to be sad about but seeing the way these institutions treats you and makes you feel not like a person but only as a match and a number and a concept and that's really human with really feelings and a really family that's something that we should be also believe about and that should be the main focus actually when we talk about surrogacy we should be thinking about the children because it's about having children and we are already there as there are more to come, I hope so and so we cannot be born and exist in a world that doesn't recognize us and I really don't want any more children to be humiliated and not recognized by some kind of I don't even know what their name is but institutions and to be and to see people taking in my name when I have never met them in my life and saying that because you're born through surrogacy you should have problems, you should be confused and no, no, of course you have questions but thankfully your parents they are here to answer this question and to show you that it's really simple and you don't have to be and sometimes it really shows that some institutions don't care about us and they don't even hide all the details they care about me or anyone born through surrogacy and I think that they should change that you know, we are all human and we are all of feelings and it's about empathy and love and so I don't know it's so much it's so much simpler than in my head that in real life and sometimes I don't understand why it is working like that and why it is taking so long for us to be recognized as a family and sometimes it's not about as I'm saying it's all about love and family and I can see it's about ignorance and I can even say it's about hate and that's not normal we were about the numbers so we had 50 decision we made some case law first it's not the criminal offence to go abroad or to pursue surrogacy second case law you know, despite surrogacy the French couples who are surrogacy have French nationality for the children so it was a very important decision the most case law is the 2014 European Court Decision who says that both parents should be recognized and I say both parents because on April of this year the European Court said again both parents but after the decision of 2014 we were believing that that was the end of the court and that we are going to win in France and to be recognized in the French records but no, they invented one of them stupid things such as saying Honor is already judged in France and then after Honor is only the geological father so we make change again and we went again to the court of cassation the court of cassation went in front of the European Court and we got this very good decision on April and the next step is to be again to be the fifth time in front of court of cassation the audience is in September and we wish we are going to be recognized as parents because now we are a ghost family and I have three things to say for the future first, it's very important to understand that surrogacy has nothing to do with adoption I agree with that, but this is not adoption we are building together a family who is a very important woman but this is not adoption some people say we broke the law of adoption but this is not adoption this is neither football or anything else this is surrogacy second point, some people would like to have a step-around adoption for my wife stupid, this is not adoption the second point is that when we are very proud of our journey we are very proud to have met a fantastic woman and married and this is altruism and when I understand I heard some people say if there is someone it's not altruistic that's more complicated so we support altruism and we should recognize that there are some reasonable expenses and this is very important to understand that altruism is based on a relationship if there is no relationship ok, it's not altruistic so it's very important to be at a relationship that makes sense I have to follow you