 I'd like to introduce and welcome you all to a rainy bag lunch. Thanks for coming out. Kind of a crazy, crazy day. So, well, thank you for coming. And it's another good week here at the Art. And this week, as you're aware, I have a wonderful presentation. We're looking forward to one of at least many of your fellow students. So here we are today with Lisa Scott, who is going to be talking about an assuming certification project in the making of an on-the-lay picture. And the title is, The Wine Law and Joint Sanatorium, Institutional Landscapes Identification and Disease. So it sounds like we're all going to be coughing our way through. So without further ado, welcome and thank you very much. We searched up the Weaver Joint Senatorium and others in terms in California. And the way that these institutions were connected to larger landscapes, which affects the experience of disease and tuberculosis in particular. These are also reflective of ideas about the body and health and disease. And these are concepts which are embedded into the built environment and material culture and daily practices. So I'm going to start out with just giving a brief overview of TV senatoriums and I'll explain a little bit more about how these are kind of connected to disease and ideas about the body and material culture. Then I'll spend some time talking about how my research methods and some of the fieldwork that I've done so far on this project ties into these things. And although I'm still a part way through, I'll describe some of the emerging themes that have come out of some of the research that I've been doing so far. Well, one of my research questions that I'll address particularly for this presentation are focusing on kind of the built environment and how these, and what they say about emerging narratives of disease. And I'm also interested in kind of how these contribute to either stigma, processes of identification, or health disparities. And TV is still a global problem that was within, I think it was right tonight, like greatest cause of death by the World Health Organization. So how these, how the history continues to be reflected worldwide is kind of, it is also part of my interest. Okay, so for background on tuberculosis standards, these were long term residential health facilities. The main period for these was the early, there was the late 19th century through the mid 20th century. Antibiotics came in around the 1940s, but there was kind of a few decades in which these continued to be used after that. So the one that I'm focusing mostly for this talk and I've been doing the most research closed down, it kind of transitioned into a medical center, general medical center, and then closed down in the 1970s. So TV is treatable with antibiotics, and for the most part, the sanatoriums, the use of these sanatoriums declined after antibiotics came in. But before that kind of foundation principle, the idea behind having a sanatorium was that the only way that they really knew how to treat tuberculosis at that time was generally boosting the immune system, and what just the sanatoriums were supposed to do was to treat people through fresh air, a special diet, and a strict schedule of rest, as well as either water exercise and sunlight. Also, there's ideas about temperature, so it had to be not too hot and not too cold, so the warmer joint sanatorium was located above Sacramento, in kind of a foot belt, but it was also not high enough to be really cold in the mountains, so it was supposed to be above the fog line and below the snow line. And I just put one of the examples, one of the dorm buildings up there. So buildings, I guess, that have a lot of windows, very typical of this site, and this is one of the later ones. Some of, originally most of the buildings, the dorms of this site had screens on them, so they would have been open to the air and kind of putting in window glass came in later. This is a background for the viewer joint sanatorium. It opened in 1919. It was an effort by multiple counties. There were at least 11 that started out banding together to decide to make it to Hercules Sanatorium, and up to 15 at one point. Most of the people, though, I think at the sanatorium, at least the different periods were coming from kind of the Sacramento area, but they're also coming from other parts of North and Central California. It was publicly operated, and it was supposed to be for indigent patients. There were a number of different sanatoriums located in the neighboring town of Colfax, and those were privately operated, so in some of them you'd have to... There were different levels in which they cost different amounts of money depending on the sanatorium. So this one was supposed to be for people who couldn't pay for treatment at the other sanatoriums. So it eventually changed names to the Weaver Medical Center and started being more of a general treatment center. And after it closed in 1972, in the mid-1970s it became a relocation center called Hope Village for Vietnamese refugees during the Vietnam War. And then in 1977 it was brought by a group of Seminday Adventists and who are using the site right now and are still there. Okay, so some of the ways that... People often study disease in archaeology through looking at human remains or medicine bottles. There's a lot of other ways that you can think about disease in archaeology through material culture. Some examples of this are just high-gain practices. So spittes became a popular starting point where there were public health advertisements to limit spitting. Another example that I've got up here is that people don't often think about is skirt length. So there is a fear that people would spit on the ground and then women would drag their skirts through the spit and then through the dust and bring that into the home. So even small things about material culture have these spatial and material implications. And although you kind of interact with the material culture spitting is probably a lot less common. You don't necessarily think about this as being connected to TB or to some of these other diseases that aren't less common these days. So this is also true of landscapes in the built environment. So I talked a little bit about windows earlier but there's certain other aspects of the built environment that became a little bit more popular in vernacular architecture. So porches for sleeping outside and solariums and kind of ideas about our space and bringing sunlight into the home. And I just wanted to show that this is one of the sanatoriums that was in Colfax. It is a good example of what these sanatoriums look like. They look a lot like what you think of as camps nowadays. Some of the other ones look more like institutional buildings or what you think about as hospitals. But there's kind of a diversity of sanatoriums and a diversity of building types. But a lot of these focused strong land like kind of being outdoors. This movement also coincided with around the time that governments were increasingly setting lights outside land for parks and for just kind of generally like wilderness and fresher movement. A lot of the ideas about space and landscape and going on vacation camping and things that people continue to do in these areas and they continue to use the landscaping in California can be related back to some of these ideas about health and the environment. So in addition to some of that, the sanatorium spaces themselves were designed specifically around certain foods and certain practices. Most blueprints are not this detailed but the blueprints for like this is an example of the dining hall. The sanatorium shows specific locations where like bread should be served and theirs. It shows the segmentation of space. So this is women or patients were supposed to come in one side and then get served food in the middle and then go to the dining room on this side and male patients were supposed to come in the other side and get through. So there were specific ideas about what particular practices that were actually kind of written into the building. So in addition to some of the things that I've been looking at for the site are also including historic maps. This is one of the, and you can see other divisions in the way that the landscape was planned for the sanatorium. This is one that, this is a map that I traced from an earlier map of the sanatorium with most of the original buildings. I think it's from around 1927. And the yellow buildings were mail dorms or buildings. And then the green buildings were supposed to be buildings that were designed for women or female dorms. And this is kind of interesting because at the time there were, there's actually some statistics at that time estimated that there were much, there's a much higher rate to be amongst women than amongst men. So that's not necessarily like reflected in the way that space was allocated in the sanatorium. And there's a variety for reasons that this could be the case. So it could be a reflection of access to healthcare but also could be perception, like ideas popularly believed that women should be in the home rather than in an institution. So there's a number of different explanations for why some of these disparities in the way this space was allocated could have happened. But there's definitely some divisions in ways that you can look at the way this space was allocated. Okay, so some other things, but also I'm looking at as part of the research are narratives about identification and how these contribute to ideas about health. So TB in the late 19th century was called consumption and then it transitioned to be called tuberculosis after germ theory. And there are kind of ideas about, it's a long-term illness. And there was kind of an expression at that time that one opera describes. So it was connected to kind of behavioral and gender stories at that time too. So an example of this is, this is like the, in 1821's I wrote a film about a woman named Camille who was kind of described as a courtesan, a French courtesan where she dies of tuberculosis but the movie kind of connects it to, just compares her to her friend who's like working, so they're very sort of like moral overtones. And this like idea of like a tragic female character, heroin often connected to prostitution is often tied to, I mean it's about tuberculosis at that time. And some of the narratives continue to exist. So this is also very similar to the thought of Milan Rouge. So even though you don't necessarily think about these narratives as continuing to be popular, they still have, they're still there. Okay, so another thing too I'll be talking about a lot that's kind of shaking my approach are archeologies of institutions. This is kind of the idea that the space and the buildings have an active role in shaping bodies and behavior or are intended to do so. So an example of this is the prison, what can I call it, classic examples of an octoclon which is a prison designed so that prison guards can see inmates from all sides. So even though inmates didn't necessarily know whether they were being watched, the assumption that they could be watched at that time was intended to control behavior just through the layout of space. And archeologies and institutions often focus on institutions of reform, such as prisons or workhouses. There's also some offers of critique, this use for medical institutions because healthcare is also an important thing to have access to, which has been historically denied to many people. So there's kind of, one thing that I'm thinking about are kind of intersecting institutions and the way that this kind of intersects with poverty or other institutions as well. So also this is connected to ideas of the self and processes of identification through material culture. So part of this is the idea that institutions play a role in transforming the self through replacing material culture, personal material culture with institutional types, which are all the same. This is the case in a lot of, if you look at ceramics, the case which tends to be at this place, but other places as well, tends to be kind of white. This is a heavy hotel where a hotel porcelain that was very durable. So it could be looked at in this way. Okay, so now I'm going to talk a little bit on how my fieldwork practices sort of look into some of these themes and concepts of identification. So the fieldwork that I'm doing at the site, most of the buildings are still there and there are so a lot of the material. So that's one reason I'm focusing on kind of the landscape and the buildings is that there's a lot of information still at the site. But I also, so I designed my site in a fieldwork plan to do kind of focus on low impact fieldwork methods on that thing, so I can look at kind of the spatial arrangement of the site, so there are a lot of maps for the building. A lot of them are not particularly accurate. A lot of them are, I think that one or two show buildings that I don't think were ever built. So it's not always easy to really tell what you're looking at. So I've been doing mapping and pedestrian survey. I've also been doing a lot of geophysical survey including magnetometer and ground penetrating radar and combining this with oral histories and interviews. Okay, so for the mapping, I've mostly been using travel stations for the site. GDS was not particularly accurate because there's a lot of trees and buildings and obstacles. So I've been using certain situations to really get good points to locate the total station map, but for the most part, I've been using the total station sometimes using a prism and sometimes on reflectorless mode to map areas of the site. So I just put this up to give kind of a sense of what the site is like and what the survey conditions are. So a lot of the site has buildings and is landscaped over, but quite a lot of it, I'm not sure if somebody else like, is also just has trees. And some places there's like the ground is clear and some places there's a whole lot of vegetation. So the areas that I've been looking at are going to be strongly affected by what the area is like. In some cases too, there's a hill, so there's places where a step has been eroding out of the hill or road paths as well. And this is not, you can't see it all that well, so I'll show you using the laser pointer, but this is kind of the area of the site. So there's a place with most of the buildings around this area. And then they have all of this here, which is more like trees. And today they're hiking trails. So I think it's useful just to give a sense of kind of how things are laid out and kind of the, it's actually a very large area too. But some of the death strand survey has actually turned out some stuff, so I did find a camp gather. This one is kind of in between close, kind of close to the cemetery. The cemetery is not part of the project. It's not part of the survey, but this one's sort of outside of it. And one of the bottles dated to 1942, which is around the time that the Sanctuary would have been operating. The cans are kind of a variety of sizes. They're, and I think they're, so I'm not sure exactly what this means. I need to look into it more, but it might be a place where people were camping or just living kind of in some of these spaces. On the periphery of where the Sanatorium is. And yes, so some of the pedestrians survey can show sort of in addition to where the buildings are, not everybody was living in the buildings. There's also people who were apparently used to spaces outside of the Sanctions architecture. And places, there are also, I know from the start record, they used to steal a lot of the staff for living in coal facts or neighboring areas too. So this just shows that kind of, this is looking to look beyond the actual institution itself and the design of the architecture in some of these other places. Okay, so I just put this up because it shows sort of some of the main commentaries that we've been doing. This is kind of the extent. And I'll show kind of closer pictures, but I think this just gives a sense of kind of how much we've done at this point. There's a lot of trees and a lot of buildings, roads and stuff like that that kind of limit the areas that we could work. So a lot of where we chose to survey actually kind of reflects where there's a big space where we could do a survey. But there are some areas, and for the most part, even in places like this one, where there's a building right nearby, we still got good results. So I think it's worth doing even if there's buildings nearby. So this is an example of kind of one of the areas that we were surfing. I chose this area because it's kind of a big flat place, big flat lawn. I just put it up here because it kind of shows an example of some of the stuff that we've been finding. So something like this black and white design here is definitely a metal pipe that tend to give that pattern. But there's also areas like this part's lighter. I know that was on the surface, so I know that that is a cement pathway, but it's interesting that I was able to pick that up. And then there's another, there's like a stone wall around a tree. So it picks up stuff like that from the surface that I could see but also compare to other things that are not as sure what they are that could be featured. They could also be just not metallic pipes. There's also ceramic or plastic pipes on there that might show a different, that wouldn't show the black and white, but would show a different pattern. But they also, but there's some other linear features and other kind of anomalies there. So a lot of us too were looking, I was looking for landscape features because that was a big part of how the sandframes were designed around this kind of idea of outer space. So a lot of the survey area shows, so it's useful for us to kind of know if there are areas that we go back to. So some places, some of this other stuff could be either like former flower beds or other stuff that was intentionally designed as part of the sanatorium landscape. Okay, so we've also been combining this with GPR. So one thing too that I've been looking for in some of this is I knew that a lot of the sanatoriums had tents. So because they were interested in kind of fresh air movement, having a lot of the sanatoriums put their patients in tents. So those aren't necessarily going to be on historic maps. So that's been one thing that I've been keeping an eye out for. I think that they were, all the pictures I've seen they're kind of platform tents. And there's a few places where, I think they would probably show post holes rather than a flat compacted area. So that's one thing that I've been kind of looking for throughout all of this. And I don't have all of my GPR yet but this is kind of the areas that we covered. Okay, so they've also been in some places because it's an actively used site. They do dig for pipes and are doing various other things. So whenever they've been doing that and they've been really nice about coming in and like record things. So I've tried to draw a kind of a stratigraphy whenever I can and take photos. So this is an example of a place where they put in a drain and I ran the GPR down one side of it too, especially down the next side, which is nice because then I got actual depth for stuff that I was seeing. And there wasn't a whole lot in this one. I think the only really material artifact thing was this railroad spike. And that could be, I think if people tend to reuse railroad ties and railroad spikes for landscaping things it could be a tent, but I don't think they had that type. But there's a number of things that they use. So that could be something from that. Okay, so I need to put dots on this, but just as an example of some of the things that I was able to measure for that trench. This was a 900 megahertz antenna, which I've been mostly using instead of the 400. Because, well, I've been using both in different situations as much as I can. But I think some of the stuff is more, it's within the first meter or so. And this kind of shows that that's been working well. So this is about the right depth for what I measured to actually fit with the GPR estimated depth was. But you could see, this is like, these two were pipes that I could see in profile. And there was actually a little gravel pathway that I could see on a lake. I could see in profile, and then I could see where it continued on. So I'm pretty sure that that's what it was. So it's nice to know that there's kind of been making up stuff like that. So I've also been kind of combining wherever I can the two types. This isn't always possible because of the topography. There's a lot of landscaping plants. And when the ground is really rough, sometimes I can step over it with the megapometer, but I can't always drag the GPR over it. So I haven't been able to do this in all places. But when I can, it's really, it's useful. And so this compares to what the two readings look like. This was next to kind of the children's building, was over on this side. And up here is what where the nurses building was. I know at some point there was like a playground-y area here. So there could be features from that. There were also some utilities nearby. So I think a lot of this is probably pipes from that. One of the things for this is that it's on a slope. So I'm working through processing this in such a way where, well, I can see it on the profiles, but processing it in such a way where it can take slices and show that better where the GPR is measuring on a steep slope. Okay, so this is just some other examples of places. Again, this is places where it's combined. So that I'm pretty sure is a pipe as it's continued on. I wasn't able to do both of those at the same time. But still having them all the same app is helpful. So figuring out this building burnt down in 1921. So, and this was kind of a parking area. So I couldn't really, we tried to survey that, but there were a lot of things that occurred and things that we couldn't really block off. So that was kind of the closest that I could get. And it did kind of record a linear feature that this building moves around. It's in totally different locations depending on how I overlay the historic map and what buildings they attach in relation to where it is. So it could be that, but it also could be also another type or some other feature. Okay, so to finish up some of the other things that I've been finding are kind of, one thing people ask about when they ask about sanatoriums is kind of the issue of confinement and whether people were actually confined at sanatoriums. It's very rare that people work actually like that was in the rules for the most part. In this one you could leave for a certain number of days, but you would forfeit your stay if you didn't, if you didn't come back on time. So there's nothing necessarily in the records that show that sort of thing. I do know that we do find kind of more physical barriers around this site. So 1927, I think this, the gate was built and there's another gate house built and there's kind of more fences that started going up. I should note too, both of these have been removed. I don't think that one's also gone, the chain link, although there are other parts. So the site is changing and the boundaries, I think also probably the property areas. I think there were tenants living on some part of the property at 1.2. So the uses change over time, but that's one thing I'm tracking. I'm just looking at kind of the way that space gets significantly different. So I do think that kind of some things that I've been, some preliminary themes that I've been thinking through are the ways that ideas of contagion and the use of space and different concepts of disease are changing. So originally the way the Santorimus Bill is very built around certain foods and certain practices and there's kind of the idea of a sick rule where, and the sick rule is kind of this idea that people who are sick are socially, there's social pressure to think that all the life society should care for them and there's a social pressure for them to always be improving somehow or working on themselves. So it kind of changes in different ways. So that's one thing I've been looking through for this site is the way that that kind of changes and then later on it's like ideas of contagion come through. I think it's, I see more of what you can think of as like a sanatorium for, an institution for contagious disease. There's a little bit more separation and segregation of the site and later on. So this is kind of reflecting sort of different ideas of where the disease is actually kind of coming from, whether it's something that a lot of public health people in the early 1900s seemed so common that most people were going to be exposed to it and that only certain people would develop it and then later on it became, it kind of gets treated as more of like a contagious illness with a little bit more separation of space. So that's kind of been what I've been seeing a little bit now. Yeah, and I'm still tracking some of that down. And I think also I put this picture up there because there's some kind of these ideas of, something that gets recycled is this idea of like fighting the bug. So this idea that people are resisting against this like, the TB bacteria and this is kind of a certain concept of the body as being resistant against this like, the thing that's there and before I took out, you know, I get rid of it so it's always going to be there. But people are kind of resisting against it that kind of gets recycled in some of these both in like the magazines by patients but also in kind of the way that they talked about medically and the different different ideas about health in the buildings. Okay, so obviously I'm still working on this project. So things that I'm doing is I'm trying to also research the Coltak Sanatoriums to get a better sense of those because of the Europe landscape but also trying to, I've been tracking through at the record, looking at sanatoriums all over the state at this point too. So looking at it, trying to look at the way that they're advertised and compare this one to others. I've also been looking, trying to understand kind of the way that these sanatorium places get reused and how ideas about health in the past compare or relate to contemporary ideas about health and how this kind of also reflects the kind of global TV crisis or the global TV epidemic at this point. Yeah, and then there's also other, so I'm also, other threads that I am following up to as well as far as how this relates to other instances of, other institutions. For instance, I know that during the 1940s, during Japanese internment, people at the sanatorium were moved to internment camps and then moved back. So trying to think about some of the diverse population and how the health system kind of intersects and other things that are going on at that time too. And I'd like to, yeah, thank everybody who's on the sculpt on the project. The first comment is, we're making a case and it's worth leaving a comment. It takes a lot of time to work. You know, it's just about every friend that has dogs in Africa, plus one of these students who's on Africa's slide with them, has died of TB related to their HIVase dependence. So TB has a judgment called by community members by the governments about somebody's behavior or somebody's worthiness of living. I think you're really complicated at this question. I'm very hopeful for that. And then the question is, yeah, you pulled up that super cool blueprint about the kitchen and where does that go? Is there a particularly set of compelling literatures that you'd recommend for those of us who are still in the finished way of food, places, you know, you've got the institutional finished way here, but where does that should go in the middle of the age? Actually, I've been looking into old products and I don't have any particular one that I could tell you about that because I haven't found a lot of institutional ones. I know there are institutional cookbooks, there are like architecture books about more about sunlight, so I don't really know about the food, but yeah, that's definitely something I've been looking into. To just comment quickly to Jun, I was looking through things on Julia Child yesterday on JSTOR and noticed an article that was looking at changing ideas about kitchen arrangement through time. So I'll see if I can find that to pass on to both of you because that would be handy. I think there's the interesting image of the bug and the bug looks like it's sort of a hybrid, paper cockroach, right? It's got a cockroach-y feel type, but more cockroach-y and it's worth thinking about that representation of it as a common element that needs to be defeated, really naturalizes that moralistic notion of you've done something to get yourself sick and how you need to reform yourself to get better. Have you encountered anything talking about the role of urban pollution and the cure and the fact that you take people out of polluted urban areas and up into the mountains and suddenly they're able to fight the disease better? And you have this return, constant return of patients back to TV centers to get me to get going up through the cure and all of these. I just wondered, it seems like there's also some sustainability issues too in terms of contemporary discourse and the role of ignoring environment and public health issues. Yes, but I think there's a kind of coincident with the pressure of urban pollution is there's kind of more general things I haven't seen. A lot of the ones that talk about environments are a little bit more like talking about living spaces in urban, but there's definitely a lot of kind of ones that are sitting on this sort of even more pollution that there is the idea that you know urban spaces in general are kind of causing the disease or making it worse. They tend to talk a little bit more because I think some of the public health literature at that point is like, or a lot of the ideas about disease and the way that this track gets, they talk about color a lot. So I think at least a lot of the writing focuses on the proximity of buildings to each other rather than the pollution. I definitely think as far as the public health discourse it was talked about. In one case I can think of that are keep a sanatorium where that will be shortly after the 1906 earthquake so there is an idea that the earthquake and fires and everything are aggravating on health. So in some cases they are kind of annoying. Hi, I was curious about your reference to the area that things cannot be done, which is in the Brisbane or in the U.S. but I thought it was under officer meaning or likely under officer thinking at all times. Would you go through and say that apparently that was a big deficiency in a lot of the sanatorium? I mean, so I don't know too much about the actual case, I know that it works, it is meant to work, but yeah, I think it's stuff, I'm trying to go back to that, sorry. I definitely think it was something that was meant to, it wasn't necessarily meant to have a figurative effect or something that was meant to control people in a kind of tertiary. So it's, what's it, it's definitely supposed to control people rather than as far as whether they, it's a little interesting that they would like, that there would be kind of connections between that and the way ideas of mental health make combining mindset, but yeah, it is definitely not supposed to be like a, it's supposed to change people's behaviors not really treating them or be a good place. Thank you very much. I also was curious about your footprint from the architecture, and so I have two parts to my question. The first is maybe you say a little bit about where you bought that footprint, and also with your problems of missing buildings or not sure where they are, etc., on the kind of path on the tune of, do you have enough evidence to know who was contracted to build the various buildings at various times in the Air Force and these building companies, these contractors in the general bullback or in the second-hand area, do they, those elves have blueprints and are you going to try and put a kind of a history of construction of the place, are you going to be able to get that kind of data to sort of put this as well as your missing buildings in some kind of context to see kind of evolution with the historical changes that you're talking about, because I just don't know if this was your taste at all your games. Yeah, so this blueprint and most of the blueprints for the buildings were saved by the B-1 Institute for the current property owners. So they, well, so one of them were there, some of them are in the county archives and unfortunately there's most buildings on the site are very well documented that way, at least as far as like what the intentions were for building and they've been trying to track down some of the architects that built these spaces and I'll be definitely doing that. There are, I think, well over 100 maps so as far as digitizing these can be kind of an issue for me. So it's kind of overlying, it's been nice seriating and kind of seeing it grow and change and stuff. Yeah, so I'll go back to that. Moving in folks way, it also opened up, I mean, as it moved, as it grew and it shrunk and shifted, the access movement groups visual or not, you know, just all the things that you can talk about will be theoretically able to be seen and have that sequence be just a challenge. Yeah, so I have been digitizing them and overlying them. I don't have a slide up showing that. This is an example of one of the earlier ones that I digitized, so I traced over the lines. A lot of the issues, so it's the maps are like this big and I don't have a good way of scanning them right now so because they're, they have to save a lot of time to scan. So, I've been looking into seeing if there's a way that I have a portable scanner or if you have a portable scanner or something. That's probably a good idea. But yeah, so that's definitely something we're working on. These are actually photos that I took and stitched together, which is not the most accurate way, but I think also some of the maps too, I guess because I think some of them they just trace over the buildings and then add new ones according to any changes that they just get like a little different each time. So, there's like differences within the actual map. The maps that I was showing and it's hard for me to go through the slides. So, part of the mapping that I've been doing with the total station is to help with that and the ones that I showed that you physical survey all of the lines for that and all of the points for utilization. So, hopefully that will help go along through the process. So, I'll go in one thing too, I guess. Yeah, it is. It has multiple files. It wouldn't have to say that. Yeah. So, a great talk. It's interesting. You were talking about segregation and the whole issue of confining. So, you've got all these men and you've got all these women. So, with her, how do they basically deal with that as an institution? Do they have areas that were confining in the middle world and the middle world or do they have mingling with their pinky-pinky going on? What's the situation there because I think there's a whole social dimension to it. You're kind of out there in different ways. You can probably see things and other things like that that pick up on what's going on. Do they lock them up at night or anything? What's going on? So, I don't really deal with that. I do know that you have recreational spaces which are shared. So, that's one reason I showed you the social hall. And that's one reason that I really love about is to find some of the shared spaces. I don't know as far as it does seem to be like a spatial thing separated out. And so, I'm not really sure. I know at different sanatoriums there have been like, there's one sanatorium in Fort Bayard which used to be a TV sanatorium where the nurses' building is like, way away and like on a hill. So, sometimes in it there's that separation in Fort Bayard. That's one thing that I think it's important to know more. Good job. Thank you. Well, I should mention too, as far as flavors, there's a lot of social spaces that there were a lot of people who didn't get to know. So, there's even when I talk to them that they called. There's a lot of people who didn't but we're not a lot of people who didn't get to know. Well, thank you very much.