เห็นได้นะ จริงๆ ถ้าหายติด พาหลักได้ไปได้บ้าง ได้ได้บ้างแล้วแล้วตัดกลิ้นแล้วแล้วก็ไปจับ จับโตะเขาOkayFirst of all, it's my honor to have you today and...Do I look at the camera or look at the camera?Look at the cameraOkayHere we have this lineI think this chair is not super prettyOkayYou can actually stand itYou can stand itThank youIt's on your sideOkayAll thatOkay I knowFirst of all, we will start the questionBeing our GBT's person has an effect on the role of the duty of the digital minister or notYeahWell, being transgender suddenly doesn't affect the role of the digital ministerBut I think the minister has a kind of benefit in the sense of deathI have gone personally through to pubertyAnd so even though digital is not strictly speaking about just ICTIt's also about a lived experienceThat's how everybody experience new technologiesLike some driving vehicles like 5G and things like thatSo having gone through to pubertyI think enabled me to build more empathy with people in different circumstancesAnd also their different takes on the space fellowship by technologyOhWhy did you decide to work in the political areas?What do you believe in?I think I have always worked in the politicsExcept it's not representative politicsWhen I was 15 years oldI quit high schoolI started my first startups on the wild webAnd because of that I participated in what we nowadays call internet governanceWhich is also politicsBut it's about the standards and norms and protocolsThat people on the internet useBecause internet is just by volunteer associationPeople adhere to those protocols and form spontaneously in their workAnd because of that it's also politicsIf you just participate in standard makingIn language making and specification writing and things like thatThere's all politicsNow what I'm doingWhat I'm believing inIs that I'm taking the lesson that I've learnedI was 15 years oldThat's radical transparencyCivil participationRough consensus and so onAnd taking it into the realm of everyday politicsOhRightAnd what is the more challenging situationsAs the first Taiwan's prime ministerWhat's the first one?More challenging situationsThe most challenging situationsI don't think there's anything that's particularly challengingAs a trans ministerPeople generally accept me at the endAnd when I was styling my HR formBasically I filed a non in the party affiliationBecause I belong to the political partiesAnd next to it is the gender fieldWhich I also set nonAnd so it's kind of famous in for a day or twoBut then people forgot about itAnd they generally accept meAs a non-partisan house of this genderIn your opinionWhat is the most abstract factorDoes make the LGBT people in TaiwanStill struggle in their lifeOr cannot come outYeah I think it really changedAfter marriage equalityBefore the marriage equality I would sayOf course there isAnd generally come outTrump people not understandingThe different living experiencesBut also the common experiencesThat all the couples faceRegardless of their genderOr sexual preferencesAnd things like thatAnd so after marriage equalityWe see many peopleMuch more willing to come outAnd also to talk to their familiesAnd they start thinking thatReally there is no that much differenceAfter allWe not only have our first weddingsTo marriage equalityBut also first time always as wellAnd so really there is not much differenceHow could Taiwan use a technologyTo support and protect the LGBT rightsYeah I think LGBT rights are human rightsSo we are not specifically sayingJust LGBT rightsBut all human rights in generalThat people deserve equal treatmentRegardless of their ethnicityTheir different languagesTheir different cultural identitiesAnd things like thatIn TaiwanWe have a specific wayTo ensure thatThat is the dashboardOf gender equalitySo gender equality dashboardIs a novel impact assessment wayAll the different regulationsAll the different policiesMust go through gender impact assessmentAnd so even for the ministryThey are usually not concernedAbout gender issuesThey are kind of forcedTo go through the impact assessmentAnd the gender advisory councilIs assembled by ministersAnd the civil society organizationsOn the other halfBut with CSOsHaving one more voteTheir ministersAs though that not only ensuresThat CSOs keep us honestBut also those independent assessmentsAre also assessed by theExternal experts on gender issuesAnd like thatSo because of thatAfter 12 yearsOf keeping measure of the impactAnd making sure thatThe rights of key performance indexAre on the German dashboardI think the general awarenessOf the public serviceHas really increasedTo prepare the public serviceTo adaptTo say marriage equalityOr any other LGBT related issuesThis is what we callGender mainstreamingIf you have toOur opportunity to formWhat is policy for an LGBT communityWhat is your name?So we're actually rolling outA new EID cardI'm starting next yearAnd in itWe have made roomFor people with a neutral genderSo either intersex peopleWho have not assignedTheir own genderOr as some Europeans have beenAdvocating that anybody mustAssign their genderOnly when they're comfortableWith it not at bestSo all those different possibilitiesAre now made possibleBy moving a binaryGender systemIn our computer programsIn house registration and so onTo allow foreignersWho already have a neutral genderOr also have the sameMemory systemIn our national identity cardAnd also the possibilityOf our national identity cardTo allow for the zero genderWhich is gender undeterminedOr non-binaryThe next question isWhat is the further stepOf TaiwanOf allowing same sex marriageAt the first nation in this yearI think definitelyWe're trying to exportOur systemBecause the Taiwan ActWe can allow legallyWeddings with foreignersThat are marriage equalBut only if their jurisdictionAlso admit marriage equalityAnd so if the jurisdictionDoesn't allow marriage equalityThere's no way in the Taiwan lawTo recognize that particular weddingEven if they're wed in TaiwanAnd so what we have seenIn the Asia is thatPeople are generally okayWith those couples enjoying the same rightsAnd dutiesWhen it comes to public serviceThat people here in AsiaAlso care about the in-lawsThe relationship between familiesSo father-in-law, mother-in-lawIn Taiwan we haveDozens of different wedsJust for aunt and uncleSo for English it's just two wedsBut in our languageThere's many many wedsSo because of thatWhen we're legalizing marriage equalityWe made sureThat we only legalize the by-lawsBut not the in-lawsSo when two same sex couplesWedThey have exactly the same rightAnd privilegesAs the civil codeUltrasexual couplesBut the chapter on civil codeThe concerns that in-lawsBetween the familiesThat is not hyperlinkedAnd so this creates a newKind of relationshipThat is by-lawsBut not in-lawsAnd that made the conservative peopleThat cares about how familiesNeed to be changes normsAnd so onIt gives them much more time and roomTo evolve concerning those same sex couplesSo I think because our civil codeIs very close to that of JapanFor exampleI think our next stepIs just to export this kind of ideaI see that it can take outIn the stationThe next question isIn your opinionWhat's the oneSo I think we will look likeIn the next decadeEspecially LGBT communityIn your opinionYeah I think the LGBT communityWill be much more visibleAlready we're seeingA lot more commerceAnd economyAround the wedding industryIt's not just weddingIt's all sort of differentSocial configurationsThat can give riseTo different normsAnd things like thatAnd so I think the societyWill become much more tolerantAnd people will start focusingOn the other partsOf the societyThat are at the momentMore excludedFor examplePeople who don't haveThirteen rightsBecause they're new immigrantsOr they're migrant workersAnd things like thatAnd I think those issuesAnd social issuesBecause of LGBTHave a lot of intersectionalFriendsBoth in theFor example labor rightsAnd also environmental rightsAnd even environmentalPresent foodAnd things like thatAll these ideasAre encouragedFirst by women's equalityAnd now by LGBT equalityAnd like all the differentHuman rightsCan't work naturally togetherTo transfer their experiencesAnd their strategiesTo enable more excluded peopleTo enjoy the same human rightsThe next question isWhat is the most important factor of ThailandTo learn or to haveAbout the LGBT rightsTo step up like Taiwan?Well, I think just readingThe translation of our gender mainstreamEffortsOur gender impact analysisTry to integrate that intoThe awareness of the public serviceI think that's the most importantBecause in TaiwanAfter 12 yearsWe keep assessing like thisWe have one of the highest percentageOf women in our parliamentAlmost 40%Which is pretty highBy Asian standardsI mean it's not in North EuropeAlmost 40%Is pretty goodSo I think that is the resultOf people looking at generationsOf role modelsOf people participating successfullyIn public affairsEncouraging more girls and womenTo choose public affairsTo pass their missionAnd their careerOnce they do soOf course it has a ripple effectSo that the LGBT peopleCan be more includedAlso in the discussionsAnd things like thatSo just I think make itSomething that is normalOver the course of a long timeLike 12 yearsAnd a new generationWill actually have a more open mindAnd will be able to have the languagesAnd the ways to convinceOr to communicateWith people of older generationsTo find out in a creative wayTo be the best strategyTo legalize marriage equalityOkayAnd the last onePlease say somethingTo the LGBT speakersPeople around the worldWho are strugglingTo be themselvesIn societyFor us surveyingThe price monthOkaySo I will quoteMy favorite lyricsFrom the singer Leonor CohenIt goes like thisRing the bellsThat still can ringForget your perfect offeringThere is a crackIn everythingAnd that is how the light gets inThank youThank you