 When a position comes from WIPa to ODM, then to me that is democracy because it has moved from the minority to the majority. There is a tweet by ODM and I would like you to bring that up in a few. You have said that a party has a say over the position of a member of its own party. So it doesn't matter whether it's a senator or governor or member of county assembly or member of parliament, your party has a say over your position, they can decide to revoke that. The house leadership position. Yes, Konmosi. And the more important thing Ram, you know we have the majority and minority. So if you are following the category of the minority, you are only serving at the mercy of the party that had the higher number than you followed. So you cannot challenge them. Because they hold more legitimacy. Yes. Even from the people. ODM had sent this tweet earlier on today and this is in regards to what happened in Migori. And my director maybe you can bring it up, yes that is it. So it says that due to the corruption charges leveled against governor Okotobado and the decision by the court to bar him from accessing his office, the party in consultations with the county members of county assemblies has resolved to have a motion of impeachment against the governor initiated immediately and have the deputy governor take over. This came and the governor himself Okotobado complained about it. Remember that ODM in regards to this, they said that they shall not be able to stand with the governor in this. But the governor complained. Let me come to you, Karl Marx. The stand of the party. Are they right to remove the governor from his seat? First of all, what is the process of removing a governor from the seat? Through impeachment. So I think the ODM are actually stretching beyond the elastic limit and they are really going to cause a lot of confusion. I think there is somebody who is really behind that and they are going to fail. The reason why I am very hesitant about with these... Not somebody but the party. No, no, no. There must be somebody running that Twitter handle. Party? It's not the party leader. Or maybe the so-called... I think somebody who is very sober could have not actually gone that far because the content of that tweet alone is too emotional. There is no facts, there are no logics about with it. By the mere fact that Obado has been told by the court to step aside, that does not actually guarantee the party to get into the process of impeachment. And even if they were to do it, the process is too tedious that by the time they will be arriving at the Senate, I think Obado would have cleared his term. I think Ram, Karl Marx is speaking from both ends of his mouth. When Karl Marx started he said that political parties are supposed to represent the people. And they are supposed to be joining in the effort to rescue the people. Is that what you said? Do you confirm that is what you said? Standing with the people, the electorates, they stand... And now here Ram, we have a position whereby a political party has chosen to stand up for the people against corruption. And then the same Karl Marx is now saying that that was stretched too far and he's saying the tweet doesn't have facts. And when I look at it, the party looks at number one, the fact that this governor has been bad from accessing his office. That is not a rumor, it is a fact. And therefore it's wrong to say that the tweet doesn't have facts. And therefore what the party is saying is it has called a consultation with its MCAs and they have agreed upon going ahead to impeach the governor. Whether they succeed or not is a question of another day. But as a political party they have taken a stand which to me is the role of a political party. Because this is a governor, this is an ODM governor. And therefore this is an ODM governor being accused of corruption. And therefore as a political party Kenyans want to know what is their stand in regard to matters corruption. And therefore whether this will go through or not is a question for another day. But I don't see any fault in a political party taking upon themselves and being responsible enough to its people to take a stand on a matter as grave as a corruption matter. I don't see a problem. But remember someone is innocent till proven guilty. Exactly and that is why ODM is not taking Obado to court to prison. ODM is taking a political... On principle let me just correct something. I don't need to go with it. You know when you say that it's factual that the court has actually told the governor to step aside for all that stuff and all that. Do you know how many governors have been told to step aside? So many of them. Do you know up to date they are still working for their people? But the whole thing is I don't always love this thing of micromanaging the parties micromanaging their affairs of the county assemblies. Because by the time we will allow this to go unchallenged, somebody else might be pulling the strings from somewhere that if really the governor might go to court and again appeal this and the next day you will hear Do you know that will be just a rotten egg? I don't know how to put it. We are just being emotive Ram. Otherwise there is no problem Ram in a political party taking a position on a matter of national concern. Can you also have a chance in all of this? And Ram, the fact that other governors have been accused and they are still operating from office they are operating without having been impeached doesn't make it right. Two wrongs don't make a right. And therefore a political party taking a position to champion an agenda is I think the right course and if every political party was doing that then we could be doing very well. If every political party was ensuring that if one of their persons is accused of such things to reasonable standards that then they will be able to take such measures then we will have more responsibility in the country. That is Advice Mundalo, political and communication strategist and Kalmakso Diambu, a governance and policy expert. Gentlemen, thank you very much for your time. Thank you so much. This has been the debut of the stand right here on Y254. The hashtag is the stand at Y254 channel on Facebook, at Y254 channel also on Twitter. At Ram Maguko is my own handle on Twitter. I want to say a big thank you to Y254 the producers and everyone that made this show a success. Thank you very much for tuning in. This is the beginning of amazing things to come. Looking forward to seeing you again next week on Tuesday at 8pm. This is the stand. My name is Ram Maguko. God bless you. Have a good night.