 Hello everyone and welcome back to beta males the show where we play a bunch of beta games Let you know if they're worth playing if they're gonna last the pros cons what we liked about all that good stuff And this week we played splitgate, which is a sort of First-person shooter, but it has portals involved if you ever played the game portals It's like if you it plays like unreal looks like halo, but it has portals in it And it's by 1047 games started out very small studio. They could be considered triple A now I think they've raised over a hundred and twenty million dollars to fund this game and They started a start to two guys in a dorm room, and that's what the 1047 comes from address of their dorm room So let's get right into it I'm the man goose with me as always is the Viking Jedi and with me as sometimes is Jelly knees. He's not a permanent member of the cast in Anyway, so let's talk about let's go around to talk about is this game worth it Should you download it and play it? It is a free game Viking Jedi lead it lead us off I am going to say Yes, I Hesitate only in a little bit, and it's because it's an FPS game, and I know a lot of people Or not fans of FPS So with that caveat said if you're if you don't mind first-person shooters this game probably will fit Something that you'll enjoy. It's got it like Very fast-paced combat Manga is really nailed it on the head It kind of feels like unreal tournament mixed with Halo mixed with portal You know and there's a lot of potential for outplays and the game modes are really really intuitive There's casual play, you know ranked play So being in beta at this point and having a lot of these things kind of already in the game and ready for Players to enjoy I would say yeah absolutely put some hours into it See if it's something that speaks to you Jelene's I would say yeah that people should definitely Pick up this game if it's if it looks interesting to them they enjoy FPS games and all that kind of stuff the only similarly the only thing like makes me hesitate to recommend it at the same time is There are aspects of FPS games that are already frustrating right when you get killed and you didn't see somebody when you Whatever it is When you add portals into the mix of an FPS game Those aspects are ramped up to 11 sure because now they shot a portal behind you and shot you through the portal Right and so then it just feels awful sometimes to get killed And so if that turns you off of other FPS games probably isn't the one for you Yeah, because that just like I said is way more constant way more ramp throughout the game But otherwise I I'd recommend it for sure. Uh, yeah, I would also I would also recommend this game It's really easy to pick up and play so just anybody just playing the game Well, I think can have fun with it. The tutorial was super good um If you keep met if you fail at whatever they're trying to get you to do they show you a little video showing you what you were supposed to do and To to spur you along um The the main thing he failed to jump across a like two inch gap Here's here's what I failed at here's what I failed at it said to teleport behind the enemy It didn't say anything about hitting the enemy So I teleported behind them and I'm like, okay. Well, I did it So I teleported back and then teleport I thought it was like bugged or something Then it showed me a video you're supposed to teleport behind them and punch them in the head twice. I'm like, oh, okay Okay, so yeah, I did mess up the tutorial just a little bit, but um I don't know. Yeah, it's a it's a it's a crazy fun game Um, I think the hallmark of a good game is the ability to think of cool Shit and then actually do cool shit and you can definitely do some pretty cool shit In this game and the in the aim is just very very forgiving for new players Like if I can headshot people then anybody can headshot people So that's uh, I think that's definitely a plus for the game So let's move in let's talk about what we liked about portals and then we'll get into what we disliked about portals So, uh jelly knees you want to start us out? What did you like about portals? Um, so I think our split gate. I keep saying I knew what you meant. It's okay. It's okay Um, I've worked with you long enough even though I'm not a permanent cast member on this show. I get it Um, but I think Overall, I really enjoy the game I really like the idea of using portals and like you said It's the idea of thinking of doing something cool and then executing that thing Right, I mean, I was just talking to you before we recorded mangoes Like I found a way to sit perfectly in a portal Kind of floating up in the air and I could just shoot people from above and I'm sure that's not intended But it was fun and that's all that matters, right? And so it's and stuff like that like being able to They have certain maps that you can take your momentum, right? You jump off of an area through a portal and shoot yourself out up and over or something else Right super super cool. And if you can get a kill while doing that even cooler, right? Like all around Really really cool idea And I think they've really executed the portals well because it that gimmick could have easily gone very poorly especially with a a Small dev team like they had early on right that that gimmick could have gotten very poorly very fast And I think they've done a good job of putting the portal areas around the map where you can and can't teleport The gun plays pretty good most of the time. So I think they've done a good job overall. What about you biking? Yeah, I mean I echo that. I think the main thing for this game is the portaling. Um, I think that's really, um Where the skill skill cap of the of the player is really going to shine Um, I think most of our games where we got a chance to play we would very rarely like get out gun Quote-unquote like we would win a lot of if it's just like, you know, me versus the team as far as just shooting Uh, we would win a lot or or come at least even it was when we went up against the team that really understood Not only their team play, but how to use the portals efficiently Um, and so I think that was uh, that's a very very cool aspect But also like, you know, very difficult to master. Um, and so there's there's a lot of Interesting parts to that. Um, and in this game you can go through enemy portals You can go through your teammates portals. You can close your portals afterwards I was watching a guy, um, and he was doing some crazy He was teleporting across the map closing one opening another closing another one So you couldn't be chased around and just flying all over the place and it was like, what is this? Like it's like watching a portal speedrun or something like the guy was Insane and it but that's super cool Like I like that that guy is being rewarded for his hand-eye coordination and understanding of the physics of the portals and There's a lot of outplay potential. I saw I saw a clip on their twitter of a guy who took a Put portals on each side of himself and took a rocket launcher and launched the rocket through it And it was just sending the rocket And some some random enemy just came walking by didn't know what was going on and got hit by the rocket Perfect big fan of that. It just was really funny But it kind of gives you guys like an idea of like the stuff that is possible in this game It is very very neat. Um, one thing is just like in portals You can't shoot your portal through a portal So you have to be actually physically through the the plane of the portal to be able to do it But outside of the portals, I think the gunplay is actually pretty good too I wouldn't say that any other than you know, like, um I'd say maybe the the rocket launchers obviously always going to feel a little Not fun when you're the one getting hit by it, but super fun when you're the one doing it So that's just rocket launchers. I think in any game it's going to always feel like that But I think in like the core of the game. So like your sniper rifles your shotguns your smg's your pistols All of those I think feel good overall and like mangu said the the forgiveness of the you know recoil and management in that regard is Absolutely there if you get good at it, you'll tap heads But even if you're not necessarily always hitting headshots, you'll still feel like you can Participate in the damage But yeah, that that stuff it's fast very very fast super super fun Um, also very very frustrating In certain parts, but I think that's also what it should be about in an fps so it's like to me the frustration is a good and bad thing but uh, Yeah, the portals are very very much the centerpiece. I think of what makes this game in this Environment of fps is super unique and and fun. Um that in the game modes the game modes. I think are also Really cool. They got almost like every halo game mode that I can think of and it's Their own version of it, but really cool. What about you mingus? Yeah, that's that's what I was going to mention is the variety in this game You have a pretty large variety of weapons. You got a large variety of skins and stuff that you can buy if you want to That's how they monetize this through cosmetics and through a battle pass and stuff Unfortunate they have drops, but we'll get to that when we talk about what we don't like about The game, but yeah, the variety was there the the amount of maps There's a crapload of maps crapload of weapons and the game modes like you had like zombie vip you had capture the flag you had laser tag you had Like one shot hit one headshot kills like the swat team. It was like I don't god there had to have been about 35 40 different game modes that you could play it was insane like Um ranked was a bit of a different story You kind of had one game mode if you're going 3v3 and then you had a couple different game modes if you're um playing 4v4, but Yeah, just the huge variety with the game Melee weapons and the weapons I think were fairly balanced in how they would be used like the rocket launchers, of course Stupid powerful, but you only get two shots with it And you run out of ammo with it real real quick Like I think you only have a total of four shots that you can fire off before you're out of ammo for the rocket launcher Same thing with the railgun the railgun is just an instant one shot kill if you no matter where you hit somebody But it takes a while for it to spin up and you only got four shots You got the baseball bat, which is the melee weapon That's just another instant kill, but you book you can only swing it Are you gonna hit people four times before it runs out of energy and you can't use it anymore So I think they have a good balance of like about you know, how much ammo everything uses and like how much time It takes to use and all that sort of stuff Um None of the weapons really I I think felt useless I think they all kind of had their place in some way or another. I think the the laser Weapon that like shot little pulse lasers I think was probably the weakest in my opinion, but still that one's still if you if If you could hit somebody with that thing that were dead pretty quick um Yeah, just all around pretty well balanced game pretty fun game lots of stuff to do in it um, but yeah, I think but that's about I think that's about all the good things I got to say about it Jill you got anything else I mean, I think you hit the nail on the head with the game modes man goose and that like it feels like there's 10 types of game mode and 10 Versions of different things and then they mix and match and they're procedural So you get you get swat fiesta VIP zombies and you're like, okay, sure Let's play right like it and it's Different maps on top of that and all of those things and I think for like ranks I love that they kind of created a style of map for ranks like the three three ranks specifically, right and they have Probably 10 or 12 maps are ranked as well That go through and you go in with decided weapons every single time There's usually an smg and a battle rifle and maybe an auto rifle depending on the map On the map and then but that's it. It's very simplified very straightforward And then it's just whoever can kill the entire other team at the same time And I think that's a great way to do ranked where it's not We did a couple games of 4v4 ranked and it just feels way different in comparison to the 3v3 ranked There are people picking up rocket launchers and rail guns and all sorts of shit And it felt like you were losing to the gun not the person Right Whereas this definitely feels like you lose to positioning portals and the and the player more than it feels like you lose to the gun most of the time Right, I think to that too. Um, there is a separate queue for the 4v4 So it's not uh, or i'm sorry separate ranking So you have your own ranking for the 4v4 that's separate from the 3v3 I would say that 3v3 feels like more of a what a traditional competitive mode. Um, and I love the Speaking of right, I love the mode in itself to the way that you win the game is uh, So you have to kill the other enemy team Sure and after every kill the spawn timer starts to get up and so the first team to kill all three players Wins and so you have at first spawns like one second Then it goes up to like three seconds and then five seconds and it starts to get Pretty big pretty quickly and you end up with some really crazy shot calls some really crazy outplays and um, You know, I think it leaves a lot to There being a strategic competitive aspect, you know There's something to be said like if you've got three players who are really really good at just winning their 1v1s Then you split apart and really dominate the map as a whole You know, there's also sticking together and making sure that you win the fights and you know Just get spawn timers as high as possible and win that way. I mean, there's just so many different variations Um, and then again with the the skill set of being able to Teleport I mean we went against a team that just really understood not only how to fight Coordinate and teleport all over the place and we were just like, dude, how do we it just felt oppressive like we were just like It was it was almost frustrating but also impressive because they were just So good at being able to utilize everything. Um I also like that there's a voting system for which map you pick and that goes across all of the modes So you can pick different maps So if you start to really not like one map you can you know try and vote and go for a different map And that's in ranked and in regular game modes. So That's the other thing the maps are Really really well designed in my opinion There's like only a few that I just really didn't like but that's also probably just me There might be other people who are just like, dude, I fucking love that map and and and I just hate it Um, but there's like, I mean they play with height like crazy So you'll have like, you know basements type stuff You'll have stuff what looks like it's up in the sky and and everything in between You'll have lots of different levels And then you have like really simple one like the stadium where it's just basically You know mirrored sides and it's really small and very fast-paced and crazy and And all the game modes for the most part will play in every single one And and I just I think that's really really cool. I think that part of it was Fun to explore and kind of figure out which oh, we haven't done this game mode yet What's this like and then we'll see oh, I didn't like that that sucked Or maybe it sucked on that map and then you play it on a different map And it's not so bad. You actually kind of like it or whatever and so Um, yeah, I really I really liked the whole design of their maps and the different game styles And like I said, it feels like playing halo with portals or unreal with portals or something with portals. It just Yeah, and there there's a map creator too. I didn't really dig around with them Yeah, make your own maps and play on them if you want to And they have like a contest mode or Yeah, so they have contests I think that they run regularly with the the custom maps So if you come up with a custom map Actually, I think they might be running one right now I think I saw it on their twitter or or just ended But if you come up with a really good custom map, they'll Look to add it into the game and and I just thought that was so some of these maps Maybe were player maps at one point I don't know I would have to do a little bit more research on it But I wouldn't be surprised if there's some really creative people out there in the community Not only making custom games for yourself and your friends or your community if you're like a streamer or something like that But you know if split gate sees it and they're like, hey, that's actually a really cool design Let's implement that into the full game. I think that's a real possibility But yes, there is racing you can have you know speed racing and all that stuff It's actually pretty fun. I don't know if you guys got a chance to do it, but I really enjoyed it I thought it was kind of cool Challenges your portal skills The game itself too is just very complete they they're calling it season two of their open beta And this game is complete. This is a full Yeah, full game I don't think there's any reason to be calling this a beta right now, but Yeah, that's a positive Yeah, that's kind of a positive and a negative like it's one of those things in the industry where they call something a beta Long after it's just a fully complete realized game. You know what I mean, but uh, this one Yeah, it's pretty damn complete. So I think that's good If you if you're coming go to go into it seeing that it's a beta and expecting There to be a lot of shortcomings. No, this one's got This one is what it is Yeah, only a few bugs I would say nothing too crazy And I think one of the other good things I've just thought about is the new player onboarding They limit you to like a handful of the easier game modes to start Yeah, and then as you level up and as you play more games than that the list of game modes expands and expands again Um up to I think it's for that it's 12 different like Sets of game modes that they give you access to once you hit level 15 I think that's a great way to do it. It's not you getting tossed into one of the more complicated like king of the hill direct hardcore pvp Game modes, right? You can get into some of the more lightweight easier game modes early on get your grabs grips with the game and then Move on to the more crazy ones and you can deselect any of the ones you really don't like Oh, that's such a good point on bvip. You can deselect that one out of the playlist You will only play the other ones don't deselect that one. It's so fun I agree that But so I think that's a really cool idea as well to Really allow players to select what the game modes they want to play What has been your guys's favorite of the modes before we wrap up and go into the negatives like what if you had to pick one I think zombie vip was one. I didn't expect to be as cool It's kind of like protect the president style, but like a little bit of a twist on it Um, and but I just I don't know the first time we played it. I was laughing So hard it was I think it was just me and mangoes when we first started it and I was just giggling like crazy It was just Because I think you start off like you have everybody on the team is going super fast with a bat And then the vip zombie or whatever has a shotgun And I got vip and I was using the shotgun and I was just tapping kids They were running at you like they're coming in back I was just laying them out. You know, I was just giggling I remember just laughing so hard I had a blast. So I think I think that in the ranked mode in general has been my favorite I've really really enjoyed the 3v3 ranked. It's super super fun Uh, oh, we didn't mention raven raven played this game with us and one of the kid is a god Like he just is so good at raven's really good at any kind of shooting game I get the feeling that's true But yeah, he was playing really well and he was talking about like he's like I feel like this game was made for me because it's just fast twitchy Like, you know, again a super outplay potential But uh, yeah, so raven also got to join in on us. He had a he seemed like he was having a good time But what did what did you guys think? What was your favorite game mode if you have one? Uh, Joe you good Uh Zombie via piece definitely up there for sure. I think shoddy snipers another one. Oh, yeah I think that's quite a community favorite right there. Yeah shoddy snipers. Yeah I mean you see every time it's up in the rotation of like votes It always gets all the votes right everybody's like, yeah shoddy sniper. Yeah, that's exactly what you think it is It's just shotguns and snipers. That's all you get But I I think I would probably say that the ranked 3v3 is my favorite game mode actually like I think that's It's a really well designed ranked gameplay mode I think that's fantastic for it What about you man goose? I actually really liked on the swat team mode where it was just All headshots were one kill were one hit kills and you had battle rifles I just that was that was a lot of fun for me even though. I'm not the best at getting headshots like I pulled out some crazy shit and that was fun. So Yeah, I agree with that and I like that with that mode too. You can still do other stuff It's not just team deathmatch. Like you'll have ones where you're playing domination or you're playing. Um, yeah, you know Yeah, you'll you'll have a few different types of and and yeah, absolutely Uh, I I don't know. I just think that they took it seems like They're guys who played all three games that we mentioned and said let's just push them all together But they didn't do so in like a shitty way like they just seemed like they actually they played these types of games They know what was good and bad about all of them because they all feel Like we talked about with the guns. None of them feel crazy overpowered like all of them I mean, I I thought for sure shotgun was overpowered I felt like because I just felt like I was constantly crushing people a shotgun But then I see other people running around and they suck with the shotgun So I was like, okay. Well, maybe I'm just good with the shotgun and those guys suck with it But and then I go against guys who are just Ed shot masters, dude, and they get a sniper rifle in their hands and it doesn't matter what you're doing They're going to tap you in the face and you're just like, okay. Well, that sucks to play again So how am I supposed to win that? Um, so yeah, no, I think that they really nailed Overall like the things I mean, I know we're about to go into the negatives and there are definitely some things They need to work on but overall I think it's a really solid game free to play Technically in beta. I'm not sure what it is that they still feel like they need to work on but obviously they're Doing so um, but yeah Any final thoughts before we jump into the negatives No, I think I'm good I think uh, I think the biggest negative we experienced was the um, matchmaking Where we would be in a group and suddenly we weren't in a group That's a pretty major bug there and stuff like we wouldn't we wouldn't be able to see jelly online or we wouldn't be able to see viking online There's a lot of stuff that they're Back into matchmaking That is kind of borked um and a lot of times you wouldn't even know like we you go into like a little arena before The game starts and you just kind of fighting around dicking around free for all and Like we would get in the games and then suddenly realize that jelly's in his own game and viking and I are in a completely different game It's like what's the fucking point of queuing as a team if you're not going to actually be in a team so I think that's probably their Biggest issue that they need to address for this game because they they know that it's happening and like It's an acknowledged bug. That's it's something they need to fix I had to jump in real quick because now that i'm thinking about it Maybe part of my favorite fun modes is actually the in-between round Because we had one where it was bugged out and we were all just running around I don't know if we were we weren't paying attention for a minute I felt like forever We were just in queue to go into a game and it was a bug we were just in it But we weren't alone There's a whole a bunch of other people but we were running around and this free for all fiesta with all these weapons Just laughing our asses off as we just decimated each other. I don't know. It was a long time I don't know if it was 20 or 30 minutes, but it felt like it was a while before what but it The thing was is we were doing it and having so much fun and then we realized wait, why aren't we in a game? So I just want to throw that in there the in-between rounds thing Actually one for me It keeps me fresh and feeling good in between the rounds So you're not really losing like that lull between so if you're you know a high You know Boredom kind of guy like me where your brain turns off if you're not entertained immediately all the time It really keeps you fresh, but it's also so much fun when you You know headshot your friend who came around a corner and they didn't know you were there And you get to yell at them and tell them that they're bad at the game Which is you know what I did to both these guys like constantly And I'm going to find that clip where I headshot you in free for all mode and uh put it up As you're saying that Fair enough. Anyway, go ahead jelly it to your uh, your negatives. What did you think? I mean, I think the biggest one I'm sure we could go into this forever is I'm not even going to say the fact that they use loot boxes because I think I don't Necessarily think that the way they do it is inherently bad right free of the game You do earn them over time fine But my I think my biggest issue is the rate that you earn them is way too slow Like it's it's not every time your account levels up like overwatch did every time you account leveled up You got a loot box and granted that time gets longer and longer between every single one But the first 40 levels you get a loot box right every single time great Uh, but this is you can do it once a day you complete your dailies. That's it and That just feels awful sometimes. I mean I'm level 24 25 at this point and I've opened maybe three maybe four Because sometimes you don't especially if we're like playing ranked one of the dailies is use a railgun Well, there are no railguns in rank and so Now I've got to go into a different mode to get the loot box or whatever it is Or I just don't complete the daily for that day whatever like it just that that kind of like progression feels really slow And it sucks like viking still using the base guy's skin. Yeah, right like that's I got lucky enough to roll a skin out of the box But he looks like the new boo just rolled rolled off the boat That's why I was glickering at mangoes early. I was like I don't know if you guys saw but I was like glaring because I was like, dude I've not got a fucking skin in this game yet. He has more more time played than either of us But I have two skins and he has none I'm so mad And that's I mean it wouldn't feel so bad if you were at least you're going like, okay I have half a level left till my next loot box so I can try again Right or whatever whatever it might be so like I said not Bashing the loot boxes directly though. I wish they weren't loot boxes but If you're gonna have loot boxes at least make it feel like I'm earning something for my time More consistently than I have Yeah, I mean, obviously I agree with that. Um, I've played more than both of these guys I've I've opened a decent amount of boxes at this point But I also was doing exactly what jelly was saying I was hunting to do the things so, um, there's a free Battle pass and there's missions that go with the free battle pass as well as the premium battle pass as it's also its own mission So, um, you have two sides to the missions as well as just the progression across the battle pass as a whole Um, but so doing the free ones like there's there's different modes You have to do so I did like a couple races that you have to beat and then you get you know progression in that Um, it does feel a little off sometimes It doesn't feel like you're really getting a chance to progress even as a free to play player And I definitely don't have a problem with a game wanting to monetize like I get that like especially this is free to play It's a good game. They should be making money. I want them to to continue making money. Um, and it but it just There needs to be I think something and I I bring this up a lot But I think fortnite really nails it like I feel like they Have a good way of being able to get people who are playing free to play Access to something even if they're not like the cool as crazy as cool skins that like, you know You see all the streamers running around and you're just throwing hundreds of dollars at the at the shop all the time You do have access or get opportunities to earn towards, you know, the free skins and um Just to be able to have some expressionism, you know, and I think that's always important Um outside of that though, I will say this is kind of going to the good the weapon skins themselves I really really do like that. They're progression based so you can actually start to like I just unlocked for the pistols Because we've been playing so many ranked I got enough headshots with pistols or whatever that I unlocked a cool Then cooler than normal skin that's got like glowy stuff coming off of it or whatever and I think that's pretty neat Almost everybody that we see though In game with skins are the stuff that they bought from the store It doesn't seem like any of them are really Ones that you can progress and earn towards that are like really high up there. They're all Store-bought skins and they look really neat and they make you feel like a butthole when you're sitting there with a plain fat guy blue smurf fucking suit and um, yeah, I'm not a fan of that again As I said in game, how do you think I feel having to go into the match? I get it with you wearing that shit by my side Yeah, no, I know after all worked so hard So randomly get those skins Um, I do want to touch on one other thing that I I've been annoyed with and that's actually with the progression So right now one of the weeklies is bugged for me. So I need to do 7500 damage in a team play Mode or whatever. So It's go every time I play one. It doesn't matter how much damage I do I was tracking it and I get one point added to the 7500 one point So for whatever reason it's not counting that damage that I'm doing in game Towards that so I can't complete my weekly right now and that weekly would give me an orb Which then that orb that gives me a chance to probably not get a skin I'm going to get a weapon skin or something like that. So I'm not look as cool, but I can't even complete it. So it's like I can't even put time towards that Thing at all. So I don't know if it's bugged. I tried looking it up. Nobody else is talking about it So maybe it's just a me bug. I don't fucking know But it's very frustrating that there are still obviously present those bugs and maybe that's why it's in beta still Some of the code is still not quite where they want it to be for these types of things um Yeah, I think that's oh Another one and this is almost every fucking game that has buy skins You have to buy tokens first and then you have to buy the skins and the tokens are never the same fucking price As what you're going to buy. So if I wanted to buy the premium pass, I have to just not it's 10 bucks But they don't have a $10 one. They have a $5 one $100 one or $20 one So what are you gonna do? Are you gonna work your way up to this? No, it's like Uh, so you end up having to spend a technically more money to be able to get it So that but then you end up with these leftover currencies. Can you buy anything in the shop with the leftover currencies? Fuck. No, you can't you can't buy shit with those leftover currencies So I hate it and all these free-to-play games do it. League of Legends has been doing it forever I know it's just like I just think it's it's disingenuous. I think it's predatory. I hate it I I just If you're gonna charge me $10 for your fucking battle pass just let me pay $10 for it Don't don't do all these other gimmicks. If I like your game I'm going to put money into it and I'm gonna buy your shit like just Leave it let it be what it is like stop doing these little Penny pinching things and I'm not talking about like where different currencies from across the world don't always translate Well, that's I get that that's going to always be like something that's tough to deal with that's not that's this is outside of that This is obviously a choice that they are making from a business perspective to Get people to spend more money so that that way they can buy the stuff that they want and be left over with Stuff that they can't actually spend on and I just hate that Especially on steam because steam has the integration That you can just pay nine dollars and ninety cents if that's what the the thing costs Right, you can just pay five dollars. You can just pay seven fifty. You can just pay eight dollars, right? Steam has that integration built in so It's definitely something they could do But it falls into that because psychologically if you have some left over you're going to want to spend it to try and get that as low As possible so you can Keep get it down to zero or as close to zero and it's just one of those psychological Things that these and it probably works and I hate it It doesn't it doesn't work on me because I even with like League of Legends I've played that game a lot and I've spent a decent amount of money on it I I don't level up to the next thing to be able to buy something else Like I just wait until I have enough of the currency by just playing the game to be able to eventually Unlock whatever it is that I want to unlock but they burnt me out on it I was like I got tired of doing that shit like I'm not gonna put in $15 to buy a $12 skin I'm just tired of it. Like I'm it's predatory and stupid and I hate it But I did almost buy the battle pass like seven times because I just want to have a different skin than the stupid blue one that I have Not gonna I'm not gonna do it though. You're not getting my fucking money. Split gate. You're pissing me off No, they probably will actually I can't It's a good game. I want you to load in. He's like I almost bought the battle pass The only actually so this is something that the guys know about me But because we keep playing so many different games I feel like silly buying a battle pass and then not completing it Because we just end up moving on to another game not only just for the show But just because I guess we're all have ADHD or whatever. We can't just stay on one game for very long We have to move on to something else quickly Uh, and so but if I buy this battle pass Then then we're gonna move on to playing something else and then I'm gonna be sitting there with a battle pass It's just rotting away for no reason. That's that's what was going through my head today When I all to afford and you were like, what about your rank? I'm like, I'll give a shit about my rank in this game especially because we're probably not going to play it next week like God damn it And that I mean that kind of falls into the the whole will it last category is Like I think This is an opinion. I think all of us have had and Raven definitely had it If this was out and veiled experts was out at the same time I would be playing veiled experts like This is a fun game. Don't get me wrong But I get bored with it pretty easy like I I couldn't play this all night Yeah, I mean it's kind of it's not even it's it's somewhat boredom and somewhat just Stimulation overload like I can't just play something this It's not strategic at all. This is all tactical and I just can't keep my brain in that mode for that long In a healthy way And I think so I mean a big part of it like if you think back to halo multiplayer specifically The thing that kept kept halo multiplayer alive Was the new halo right it wasn't the game It wasn't the multiplayer itself in the majority of cases for the majority of players It was oh, I'm playing halo 2's multiplayer and now halo 3 is out I'm going to go play halo 3's multiplayer where I really enjoyed halo 2's multiplayer But now halo 3 is out right and that the new game is what revitalizes those multipliers I mean halo infinite is the prime example halo infinite was big when it first launched Now it's got next to no players in terms of its multiplayer and that's a free to play multiplayer No less not even behind the halo purchase uh And I think that's where This game is going to struggle is how it does it Create staying power. How does it do something new? For a on a consistent enough basis to keep players coming back Right in games like league of legends new characters of the thing Right a new character comes out that fits the lane or the role that I play Okay, maybe I'll go back to the game even if it's been five years Right, what does splitgate have right? It's got cosmetics And that's the hard part the gimmick is the portals the game modes are already really good Right, it's not even that the game modes are bad, right? But that that's what that's not something that's going to keep people around What do they do that keeps reinventing that wheel time and time again? To bring players back or keep players around but either way I so the staying power I think is going to come from To me exactly what we're talking about I think so I don't play halo because I just don't really I think halo's gotten to a point where it's kind of just Boring for me. I don't really enjoy it. It's it's not I don't know it was fun at first just because of the nostalgia of playing halo But after a little bit of playing it. I was just like I'm back. I don't There's other I think shooters that are more fun to play Um, I agree if this in veiled experts were out, I would probably be playing veiled experts a lot more That's not to say though once we got done with playing some veiled experts If we were just like because veiled experts burns you out too It's a it's a game that can be very frustrating to play and can be One that just like I just don't feel like dealing with that right now or whatever because you know meta's change things move around so I can see Splitgate having a player base But it's going to be a player base that is that is coming to it because it's it's not their main game But it's a fun game to play with friends that fits that niche because I can easily see all three of us when we're playing Almost any other game and be like hey You guys want to jump in a splitgate and just like fuck around for a bit and I'd be like, yeah It's a fun game. Why not? It's free to play So it's easy to download You know if you don't have it downloaded and I think the only way that they're going to keep it going Monetarily is if they fix their store and fix their because while the battle pass I think is a good idea and it's going to keep people that are interested in playing the game every day Getting rewards for that investment in time You're casual players or players like us who are going to bounce around from different games The the battle passes just doesn't have any value but if you have skins or other things that are Going to speak To those players and have like, you know, they come back like, oh There's a new cool skin in the shop. I'll spend five ten bucks on it. I like this game anyway I haven't played it in a little while or whatever and you'll do it because that's I think the same thing with with league is like you'll Take a break for a while. It's free to play you download you come back and you know new champion or whatever You buy the champion. Oh, they got like skins for two and those really cool skins. All right. I'll spend 10 bucks I haven't spent 10 bucks on league in a while. Boom. So they just made 10 bucks, right? So I think that there's a place for it at the the first person shooter genre is so Massive at this point, but I mean people are still playing apex people are still playing pub g people are sort of playing halo Yeah People are playing call of duty still and I agree with Or I'm sorry with jelly's point about like, you know, the next thing was the thing kind of moving You know call of duty falls into that exact same category like modern warfare Okay, now modern warfare 2 black ops like ops 2 black ops 3 now. It's you know, it just The reason why the the audience keeps moving forward with the new iterations. This game doesn't have iterations it's literally probably going to just be what it is and You almost wonder if they shot themselves in the foot by having so much already available Because like if they were to say like, oh, hey, we just added three new maps and two new game modes Maybe people would be returning or whatever. But um, yeah, I just don't know So I think it's like I'm 50 50 on the staying power to be honest I do think that it could be one of those games It's like in the back of people's steam list or whatever on your library that like We really enjoy playing that game. There's nothing stopping us from just jumping in and playing it for a little bit But I feel like I have games like that and I still don't do it. I don't know. It's tough. I'm like I said, I'm like 50 50 Okay, it's not staying power because the game is bad No, the game didn't do anything wrong It's just not doing enough right and and that's not even necessarily them doing anything wrong still It's just it's I also think that maybe just as gamers We're not really in the same space like to keep throwing umpteen amount of hours into Into games like unless it's a single player game Where it's start and end. I just don't see myself putting in hundreds of hours into games anymore um Here's my thing. This is the reason I I mean, it's going to be around in two years But it's I think it's going to be like fall guys Like there's going to be a bunch of people that rush to it and then it's going to fall off You don't hear about it anymore. Um, I think the main reason for that is because as fun as it is And as as cool as the portals are the portals are A gimmick not depth Um veiled experts had depth through a lot of the gunplay learning how to control the guns You know investing money, um The characters again, I think the rising has a lot of depth. Yeah The they they don't have something they can add consistently to bring players back Right characters being a big thing there, right? New maps are cool But I will never look at the game and be like oh they put a new map out I should go play that Because that's not that's not enough Right because veiled experts I could go two years without playing veiled experts and they are they're like Oh, yeah, we just released a new guy can turn invisible. I'll be like, I'm in where let's boot it up go into veiled experts, right? Yeah, let's give it a shot. Sure. Okay, it doesn't have that thing That I feel at least that I'm aware of that I can think of off the top of my head And maybe they have plans for that going forward. They don't have the new character They don't have the big thing that would actually draw me back in I think that's the hardest part for them and that's why you see that so many games nowadays Do have those things. Yeah, right even Call of duty tried to go that route with the specialists They tried to create unique characters that they could then add more of to draw people back in Apex has a league does it all of those things Overwatch Yeah, I think it's just an arcade game to be honest I mean it's arcade game with the mix of having competitive Which in the competitive feels good to be honest like again If you're a competitive shooter type guy and this stuff speaks to you I think there's absolutely a scene For this game. I don't know if us three maybe and that could be part of it We're just all a little bit biased and have like the same kind of mindset as we approach games I do think that there's going to be people who will stick with this game Every single day put it hundreds of hours into it and do all that stuff, you know, I just I'm not one of them. I mean I'll maybe put hundreds of hours over the course of time because it's just free to play And it's going to sit in my steam library. So as long as servers are open and there's a player base I'll jump in and play probably but I definitely Yeah, if it was between this and veiled experts, I'd be playing veiled experts But veiled experts just spoke to me better as far as the type of shooter that I currently want to play But this game is a lot of fun. I mean, I could definitely see us like a couple years from now like Hey, you guys want to play a couple games of splitgate and look. Yeah, sure So it's fun. We'll have a great time with it and then we'll move we'll go back to play Whatever the fuck we're playing on a normal basis on a regular basis. I think it's better than halo I'll give it that to be honest. I think it's better than halo It's better than I don't know. I think it's better than a lot of other, you know, arcades. It's a good game It's better than call of duty in my opinion. I mean, I just so I think if that's the audience, right? It's the guys who like halo the guys who like call of duty Like that style of team deathmatch in different game modes and stuff like that if if that player base finds out about this game They might feel at home here. I mean, they need to I think they'll need to Improve their skins and make them look a little bit cooler and and you know and Freshen up the art a little bit from from that perspective But everything else just gameplay 100 just like on the surface It's it speaks to high level gameplay as well as casual gameplay You can bring in your friend who's never played a first person shooter before And they could come in here and play this game and feel relatively, you know, accepted and do okay Um, but yeah, uh and cheating while we did encounter. I think a few cheaters I wouldn't say it's insane Given it being in a in a beta state still technically in a free to play game I think you're gonna always encounter cheaters and and these types of games, but Um, there's only a few I think so far in some more games. Some of them too. It's always just like Questionable, you're always like wait. Is that guy just really good or is there something else going on, right? And um But yeah, so I would say the cheating is not too bad either I don't know. I again, I'm still like 50 50 on this thing power of it It just really depends on what audience ends up finding this game All right. Um, let's start closing it out then. Um, let's let's go with some closing thoughts about splitgate And i'm so proud of myself for not saying portals just now jelly Uh final thoughts for splitgate. Yeah, I mean, I think again, I think the game is really fun and I don't think Anything that the game is doing now or that that I feel like is wrong or bad Wouldn't be fixed right the game is really really good well designed clearly put Like the the tlc was put into the game Over the course of its development. There's no question about that. You can feel that in everything that that's there um And the quality of assets is really good The like just overall feel is amazing for this game. And so I really hope they do Stick it out and do last with it and do something great with it That I can't think of whatever the thing is that they've got some like Card they're gonna pull it on be like i'm going back to splitgate full time. Let's go like I want them to do that because the game is really good and deserves that kind of Hold in certain parts of the market for fps games. So I think it's really good I think you should give it a try It is frustrating at times, but honestly what game isn't anymore. So it's one of those things Um, but yeah, I think it's that's it for me. What about you viking? Yeah, I mean, I think the parts that are frustrating are parts that are frustrating because you either feel like you could have played better You know or or as a team we could have reacted to something better Like, you know, those are things I was Very rarely frustrated because of like, you know, some broken mechanic or because of something that was, you know Very much outside of my control or very much in the control of another player influencing me, right? So like if I get outplayed with portals, I just got outplayed with portals It is frustrating But I can also go like well that guy's just really good at that and it is what it is Like even on mad and slamming my desk at that moment. I get why it happened and I'm okay with it for the most part Um, but no, I I agree. I think free to play is a big part of it. I do think that they're uh, they're game pass and all that stuff Um looks pretty interesting as far as if you bought the premium It does look like it's got a lot of cool stuff in there. So um, and it's again pretty good value I think it's like either nine or ten dollars. I can't remember exactly but not too shabby You can technically earn enough currency to buy the pass through the free pass But you will go through the whole pass before you can do that And it's not exactly a fast progression through the past Like I've been playing I forget how many hours I've got at this point But a decent amount and I think I'm only like level 10 on the past So it's not very much at all and it's a hundred levels. So it's a it's a big big big big pass. Um Yeah, man, I think if you like halo, you like call of duty you like Portals This game is going to fit what you like and it's our arcade feeling it does it has arcade modes Even actually the racing. I know you guys didn't get a chance the racing was really cool And actually I think it helped me get better at my portals because you have to use your portals to be able to get to Because you have like balls that you have to chase around basically and um, oh great points. Yeah, I'm great at that Uh But yeah, no, I just I think that they like jelly said they they really Came up with like a wide variety of things that almost any person who it fits this kind of genre would Find a place to have fun and explore and put time into And I do think that they can fix the stuff like that is buggy and weird It's cross to cross play also. I forgot to mention that so you know, I think it's on xbox I believe so you can play with your xbox friends as well. So there's that um Yeah, I I'm trying to think of like on a 10 system I'd say it's like a like a seven seven and a half out of 10 as far as overall especially for free to play And in beta Yeah Yeah, um, I think it's a great game. Um really enjoyed it a really fun game. Um, it will stay in my steam library like let's go to show um white in my steam library not grayed out like So many other games that I've uninstalled over the years, but um Same it's definitely it's not gonna be in my recent steam games when I open up steam That's not gonna be one of the first options that comes up here in about probably about two three months It's probably gonna be long gone from my mind. It'll just be a game that I kind of revisit every once in a while So split gate great game try it out for yourself Maybe it'll speak to you more than did to me Because it is a very cool concept and I wish them the best because I think this was a genius on uh 10 47s part, but um Yeah, that's uh That's about it So, uh, that was going to wrap it up for this week guys If you have a beta game that you want us to play let us know in the comments Uh, if you agree disagreed or just want to talk about anything we discussed during this show today Uh, again, put it down in the comments and we'll talk about it, but uh I'll have um Mikey Jedi you can find him here jelly knees. I'll have uh his twitch in youtube Oh, I've been putting your twitter in the comments. There you go. I'm pretty I'm decently active on there at least So yeah, follow me on twitter. 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