 welcome everybody welcome to classic cast number 22 I'm here with Stay Safe TV I'm here with tips out baby and we're here joined by our guests Asmongold and Nixxiom they've been on before and this is actually our one-year a little bit over a little bit over one-year anniversary episode and we wanted to bring on two of our friends two guys who've come on as guests for us early on Nixxiom I believe was our very first guest that we that we've had on and Asmongold of course has been incredibly supportive actually our guests for our first live episode Asmongold was so there's you guys a lot of you guys probably already know Asmongold in case you don't know Asmongold hi yeah he's a big wow streamer he does that he's also a former Dark Soul streamer and future Bloodborne streamer and current Apex streamer yeah so really just kind of trying to do all kinds of stuff Nixxiom is also a former wow guy now he's a now he's an ESO streamer now he's an ESO streamer and then he's going back to classic it's kind of the situation we're all in right now it's kind of the situation we're all in right now we're all kind of dipping our toes and into everything but we're all classic guys yeah we're all classic guys and I don't know Nixxiom might have us on the on the ESO boat here pretty soon so of course again we're here with stay safe and tips out as well and we have a lot to talk about today first off let's just kind of talk about everything that's happened in the last year I mean cuz it's kind of how we started a classic cast and how everything really with classic news is kind of gone I know for one like classic cast initially whenever it started and then stay safe remembers this stay safe and I were talking on discord one night like randomly and we're like dude like we should start a podcast and it was just us to and this was months before classic while I was announced by the way yeah yeah we should start a podcast and then it was just kind of like yeah but like you know like who we're gonna have as our third and kind of like there was like stuff going on we're like okay yeah whatever we just kind of like tape table the idea for a while and eventually classic was announced and I got banned so everything was kind of in limbo like just kind of trying to figure out what all we were gonna do and that's whenever I think I posted a video on the classical subreddit and then tips reached out to me it's like hey like what you want to do a podcast and I was like well it's funny that you say that because Stacy if and I had kind of been kicking this idea around for a couple months now and that was really kind of the beginning as a classic cast and we started out we did them on my YouTube channel we didn't do them live at first but now here we are and we've had a lot of support from a lot of people you know whether it's Nick Siem or Asman or so many of the other guests that have come on and it's been a really really good time it's crazy to see how far the shows come to because you look at the first episode and it was you know just like three guys doing whatever and now it's like a live show on twitch I think it's made a lot of progress especially for something about classic wow I mean at the beginning obviously there was a ton of like you know new things happening with the game but right now people are all just sitting around and waiting for the alpha to come out I think at least that's where I'm at absolutely it's like I remember when we first started it out like in our first meetings remember as fans they say if like we'll be talking about content planning and how are we gonna schedule this out and you know how many episodes can we do how frequently should we do it yeah I remember I remember there's this one distinct meeting where we were like you know yeah we'll do like one episode like you know every other week or every three weeks or something like that and we had like like 10 or 12 video ideas and I remember one of you guys said like okay this is enough you know this should be enough to get us to classic yeah I was remember early on you know like this is before we even did the first one we were debating whether or not to stream them or just do them on YouTube videos and upload them to YouTube and this this was something stupid like tips and S phone we're both like yeah we should stream them and I was like I don't think it's a good idea I think we have more control over it if we can like we can edit it we can redo it we can re-record it if we need to for YouTube but man like streaming them was definitely the way to go yeah I think it's a lot more fun that way I think it's a lot more fun it's just more hype and I think that I think it gets a different audience of people involved that don't just watch on YouTube I mean there's people who watch on YouTube that don't watch our Twitch content and vice versa so I think that's something that's that's definitely been good for everything especially like involvement like the classic community and whatnot and the amount of support that we've gotten from from so many guys let's recap a little bit right let's recap a little bit and talk about everything that's happened in this year or so let's say a year and then some right because I guess the class get announcement was back in November of 2017 what year is it 2019 now right so yeah 2017 so yeah it's current year so we had that kind of out of the blue nobody really expected it to come and I know for me personally I didn't even I wasn't following BlizzCon I was sitting in my living room playing Madden with my phone in my actually plugged into my computer and I come back like an hour after the announcement and my phone is just discord just everything is just going off like I it was it was absolutely insane there is no way in a million years I thought they were actually going to come out with classic servers and yeah I feel the same way like I was totally checked out I wasn't even watching that BlizzCon or following it I was asleep and so I I remember waking up to tons of phone vibrations and people like oh my god class got announced I said no you're not like it or no it didn't like this is just a prank I went back to bed I woke up and then I saw it was real but like yeah I mean I don't think I remember the wall of no copypasta that any any time classic wow or lakes servers or vanilla wow was mentioned on the on the Battle.net forums or an MMO champion or anywhere people would paste the super long copypasta called the wall of no and it was like I don't know like 15 paragraphs of people explaining why implicit was never going to do it why it was constant effective why it's a dumb idea you know it listed off all the features that the stupid vanilla players like what had taken for granted and they'd like if you're going to play classic wow you might be forgetting that classical doesn't have transmog like are you sure you can without transmog it's not flying mounts are you sure you really don't want flying mounts like so yeah it was this whole thing yeah yes we are sure yeah yes we've been doing it dude it's all just rose tinted goggles like oh yeah of course yeah it's all just rose tinted goggles boys yeah it's it's so it's just so funny like how how much all that has changed and like it's at this day so how worried people were about like are they going to like go and mess with everything and sure like there's still some things that are on the table and I think we've done a really good job so far like talking about our concerns right talking about how whether it's the the four stages of content release or whether it's loot trading or sharding or you know whatever it is a lot of people have voiced their concerns and I think that's gone a long way I know on this show like we we definitely haven't held back any any criticism right of anything that we've heard since the since the demo or anything like that I think we've been pretty open and upfront about like what we what we don't like whether wait I have a question okay I before you get into like all your malarkey there is something I would like to know from the classy cast team right and I want to I want to hear from Asmone Gold first because he's a fellow guest right here's the thing like we love classic wow and you know a lot of people in the chat like classic wow alright we're big fans but the question is like at what point in like wow's history did you look back and say damn I want to play that again and not like what I'm playing right now like what expansion was it what time because I don't think we've ever thought that yeah cataclysm I mean like yeah cat was the main I think for everybody because you it's like in wrath it was like man I wish I could go back you can you just go re-roll character in burning crusade it was the same thing but in cataclysm no you can't go back and do that South Shore quest where you have to collect 10 murloc heads and it takes two hours because apparently murlocs don't have heads even though you've been killing them for two hours you can't do that you've got to go do this new you know super streamlined quest line and you don't have a quest that takes you from booty bay to I don't know like what what is the area in the top of the calendar how did I forget this yeah it's oh yeah it's like those are the things that make the game special and so yeah it is cataclysm for me a hundred percent yeah for me there's definitely I don't think I was a member so I see see an arena season 8 lasted like a crazy long amount of time and people got bored like halfway through that like final patch of wrath and or I guess there was the pen okay yeah there was the like the dragon shark but anyway on my server there were actually level 60 twink guilds forming because people were so bored with wrath at the end and so I joined I made a twink and at the end of wrath and I was like holy crap like I forgot that like these dungeons are cool like these raids are cool like wow so that was the first time like vanilla like re-entered my brain I guess that's so funny you say that's like that's so similar to like what happened with me so like end of wrath was the first time I quit the game on my own accord meaning that like I didn't have to quit it because of like school or anything like that like when I just I was bored of it and right before that there was also a twink guild on on a different server but I actually realm transfer to just to play with them and it was really really fun and I leveled the priest and all that stuff and it was great but that's what I like kind of catalyzed my curiosity about like private servers and stuff like that because in that guild people were talking about oh this isn't the real thing you know if you want the real thing you got to try this private server and stuff so that's what kind of kicked it off and I started exploring a little bit and tried it for the first time but or like the first time since it was it was around I guess but yeah it was that end of wrath period man like you couldn't put your finger on what was wrong but by the end of wrath you could sort of feel something was wrong and yeah that that was it for me I think with the end of wrath like you had dungeon finder and pug culture got so out of control people were pugging ICC and you had dungeon finder at this point like the community is like that's the point where the community really started to crumble in my mind what about you as a fan yeah I was gonna say for me I actually so I quit I've said this quote a few times before but I quit wow for the first time like the first time that I quit for a significant period time there's times where I missed a month or something like that you know just because your kids right and it's like oh I forgot to pay or I didn't get a game card or mom gives me allowance and then I save it up and then I go buy a 60d game card at Best Buy like you know stuff like that so the first time I like quit was in wrath I was like you know what a lot of my friends had quit my classes changed a lot it's funny because Paladins were really strong in wrath but I was just like man I was so hyped for wrath so I'm for wrath but a few things really like kind of punched me in the gut was finding out the ashbringer was like gonna be unattainable was actually a big deal to me which is funny because now I thought it was totally absurd in Legion how everybody had the ashbringer right it was always one of one of two extremes extremes so that was a big punch to the gut another one and this is really the most important thing was more than my class now not even feeling in my class played the way that I wanted it to was so many of the people that I knew and this community that had been built around me in burning crusade and classic and mostly in burning crusade that's kind of one of my peak a lot of people had quit or were taking breaks from the game and it was my senior year of high school so I was just like man I've got football I've got this I got a lot of stuff going on you know what I'm just gonna chill on wow and and I don't know I might kick it around later and then I came back and whenever I came back I think at this point they had introduced like the dungeon finder and they had introduced like achievements and what she was were introduced in wrath but they were kind of ingrained in the community that like oh you know link your achievement if you want to come and I'm like I haven't done the thing how am I supposed to come to a raid or a dungeon if I don't like how much was to get the achievement if nobody invites me there was that there was item level being not item level but gear score at the time being a staple of essentially how good of a player is which is totally absurd how good somebody's character is now without being said the the way gear had become optimized over time kind of led to gear score actually being a fairly good like metric of seeing how well geared somebody was supposed to in vanilla and to a less extent burning crusade but your score was a thing but really whenever I was like I hard quit the game and I'm like dude I'm done f this game was cataclysm I I I felt like the game was completely different at this point I logged out I canceled my account I took a screenshot and the screenshot is still sitting in my photo bucket account because I post I think I posted on the forums I used to post on the forums like all the time early on and it's funny I can't find like any of my old posts but I know I used to post on the forums all the time but I guess is like no record of it man you if you're anything like me thank God I would just say the dumbest stuff like it wasn't anything like bad it was just stupid like yo do this raid and get it on like Donkey Kong and it's like 2011 my Facebook is just like that like you know how Facebook if you guys have been logged into Facebook recently it says like oh this happened eight years ago and I would say something stupid like just like I don't know like something just like really emo or like it's like it's like man like wish I had people to hang out with right now like you say for me like when I like started to become a big classic fan it was it was in wrath of the Lich King because halfway through wrath a lot of my real life friends that I played wow with they all quit they left because they hated wrath of the Lich King my friend Ben he hated wrath for selfish reasons because he was it was a warlock in BC and warlocks were a little strange and burning crusade just a little bit and in wrath they kind of got nerfed a bit and so he didn't like that he didn't think the game was fun anymore but there was a lot of things that we talked about back in wrath and a lot of the things that I quote from those conversations because I remember when they added achievements to the game I remember sitting down with my friends was me it was Aaron Chad Ben everybody they're sitting down and one of us said what the fuck is this achievements and wow is this Xbox live my character is my achievement yeah some book like keeping tabs and it was because of what you know as fan was just talking about people were saying like oh link achievement if you want to like do this run link the achievement and we hated it I hated it and they all quit but I stuck around because I didn't have a life and I've never quit Wow until well BFA I'm on subbed right now so it was the first time in my entire life I've quit Wow I guess my thing with achievements like whenever they first came out I was like yeah this is for people that can't actually do raids you know and so they're gonna go and kill like hogger or something and get a 10 points into an imaginary score that doesn't make them do more damage and I always thought they were like really stupid I think I remember feeling the exact same way that you did Nick Sam about it being you know like what is this Xbox live I agree also like like middle of wrath is like whenever things change trial of the Crusader like that was it I thought because I thought about this a lot right trial of the Crusader was the point where things took a turn for the worst absolutely like if you even like remember something as shallow as like the armor sets like the armor sets of TOC are so disgustingly bad okay so alright alright here's the it was so alright it's terrible think about this system okay you've only got four real sets of gear you've got the plate version the male version the leather version and the cloth version but the thing is that there's a Horde and Alliance version of each one what a terrible system and they did that in TOC it's funny how you see like you see things that the joke was that they did again BFA yeah the correlation was made there and that's exactly what I was gonna say it's funny how you can see like you can start to see things that ended up being like really bad later on you can start to see them like sprinkled in early in yeah I remember when TOC came out I had this thought like is this an experiment to see how lazy they can be and still have players accept the raid because it was reused boss models you know there were two like zones there was the above ground zone in the bottom ground zone like the above area was used for a dungeon like you said with the armor sets I feel like it was an experiment to see like how little work they could do in making a raid and making the gear to go along with it and still have players be cool with it and I felt like a lot of people weren't happy with it when it came out and the ironic part the ironic part out of all of it is that it didn't need to come out when it came out Ulduar was still fresh it was like four and a half months old and they just threw this garbage out there that was again completely reused from top to bottom the armor sets looked worse than quest gear and I was like why why you know like why and I think the explanation was they needed something to tie in to like the invasion of ICC they needed some kind of like lore based rates kind of tie into it but it was like changed how dungeon work as well because they nerfed it up into the ground I mean you didn't even like need to do anything like crowd control anymore that was the beginning of rath dude I mean like that that ended I feel like so many people overplay how hard dungeons were I remember playing my prop howlin and burning crusade never I had full tier four gear I could go in there and basically tank all of shattered halls at the same time I remember fate tanking it as an arms warrior on heroic shattered halls whenever I had my my ventral gear heroics were never really that hard unless you were doing them before you had cares and here I think that the worst thing about like what tips said is totally true and it basically set the stage for the problem I think the game has now right and it's that it invalidated Ulduar it was so bad that actually people might not remember this but Valonir used to be 239 item level Blizzard had to increase it up to four sorry 245 which was TOC level because so few people were using it and it just completely invalidated a generic like such a big mistake and that was the point where Ulduar was completely irrelevant for year minus Valonir and like one other thing it was I think that was the worst part about it is that it removed that content effectively from the game and it made Ulduar hard mode progression pointless and it also made it a lot easier because you would just go to this other raid and get better gear for you to go back and do these other bosses that were harder or you know maybe equivalent difficulty that dropped worse gear it was like just a really weird system so yeah I mean I I think that was the worst part about it for me personally I think that's like the same issue like wow has now right we just like quick patch but that that's that's my opinion right yeah a systemic a lot of systemic problems a lot of systemic problems that we're experiencing in the game today their roots and their seeds were planted in the wrath for sure yeah I mean it's an unpopular opinion but I didn't like wrath like I didn't like enjoyed it like but I didn't I don't praise it as like the gold standard of wow like some people do let me ask you this let's say you know six and a half or seven years from now they're going to launch classic wrath which came would you guys want to play that after having played classic classic hell yeah hell yeah I'll play anything over BFA so I think for me like rat like I saw wrath big time is like the beginning of the end and we kind of talked about this when we had preach on to where you know adding in a lot of these systems that end up like snowballing essentially into into what we have now with BFA but I really think burning crusade was to me you had classic which if you talk about the whole game from start to finish classic was probably a little bit better but if you want to go and just look at the end game content I think burning crusade did the end game content better overall than than the classic did just kind of refined everything you had arenas you had 25 man content as opposed to 40 man content so that way like you didn't feel like you were first time it was easier to build a raid with 25 man in terms of the amount of people that you needed there was 10 man content that was put into the game there was I guess I was technically in the game already with like UBRS and whatnot but my point being is that they they just essentially refined what classic was in the end game even though it kind of took away a little bit from the earlier parts of the game yeah I remember in TBC you mentioned 10 man content like this is the first time you started to see 10 man guilds like we're raiding guild but we're only a 10 man guild so they would do Kara and they would do ZA and you know like if you mastered ZA you could do the hard mode stuff with like trying to do it like bear runs and stuff I remember like on my server I was on a bad server there were so many 10 man guilds they'd never even did 25 man stuff yeah I was in the 10 man guild it was awful that was the kind of guild I ran actually ran a 10 man guild early early burning crusade and then and then we eventually merged with another guild to do 25 man guild whenever they try man what was the other guild there was another guild and then there was another guild that transferred onto our server combo breaker which I consider a combo breaker to be my burning crusade guild because I was in there for the majority of the time but we merged with another guild and then went into combo breaker and which actually helped come up with a name by the way so I did like that name yeah so we did okay no but I but I yeah we did that and that was a lot of fun but most of my memories are from that area of time is doing that 25 man content I didn't I didn't raid super hardcore through all the burning crusade because I I kind of backed out at one point and just focused on just focused on arenas like really in season three I just did arenas in the season four I was just kind of like kind of screwing around a little bit but yeah I think I in my opinion I really like burning crusade was great I agree with you entirely I think this is kind of like a weird opinion I've always thought that 40 man raids were just like cooler I wish they would go back to 40 man raids honestly and 25 is okay and I don't really like 20 but I remember having I was in like this 10 man guild that was so shitty that we spent a year clearing cares and and we never really got beyond that and I had a conversation with some kid in my computer class and he was talking about how his guild was doing illidan or something like that and like this conversation made me have like a midlife crisis and that night I went home and I made a plan like in my head it's like how am I gonna leave this guild and get into a good guild and by the end of burning crusade I had cleared half of Sunwell and I killed illidan storm rage so it worked and it's actually really funny to see like the way that like people were able to like set goals in the game back then I feel like really goes to show like how much the game would inspire people to play and you know want to get better and I think that's something that was really special about burning crusade and also vanilla wow as fun I actually agree with you I've thought about it a lot and I would say in terms of like the entire world like I really like vanilla right and how much of like an impact things that were outside of level 60 played but for in the game burning crusade I would say probably was a superior experience yeah right definitely like the dream right the dream would be like a game with like vanilla's leveling and just base content TBC at toonmans and raids but but I do agree with the the 40 man ray thing as men like I've always liked the idea of raiding being more of like a celebration of all of your like previous feats in the game in the sense that like you know you go out there you endure the grueling leveling you endure you know the toonmans you endure the pre raid this process and then raiding is you know it's still a challenge in some degree but it's more like you're with like these 40 other people that that did that had to deal with that same crap that you had to deal with and you're kind of going out there and getting the loot and stuff like that like I don't think raids need to necessarily be ultra challenging and tuned to like look like smaller group sizes for more difficulty so long as you can preserve the difficulty in getting into raids I don't think raids need to be like like ultra over challenging or anything like that I think making the difficulty of raids being getting into them at the beginning made them a more rewarding experience because now whenever you do raids it's like synchronized swimming everybody has to go left everybody has people all have to do things and I would say one of the big reasons and this is something I I really feel is that the big reason why a lot of players left at the beginning of cataclysm is that there was such a massive difficulty increase between ICC and like blackwing descent and throne of the four winds in terms of coordination and everything think about Margarh stack underneath them and a we am down then spread out and then do it again like it's so easy and a lot of the bosses in ICC were the exact same way it's not just like because he was the first boss and you look at all these people that probably weren't very good players but they were still able to get good gear and overcome challenges and I think that the fact that the raids now are so difficult forces boys who didn't trying to make like all of these easy modes of the raid and it's ended up making rating unfulfilling at all right and it's really disappointing to see that happen I and it's very hard to have like a conversation about difficulty in video games and like say that things should be easier because you have all these people that you know say oh no it's too easy now just so they can be like they're good at the game but the truth is like I don't mean for me like I can handle the raids sure it's not a big deal but I played the game for ten years I know everything about it for an average player or maybe a new player it's completely overwhelming and I think that the raid should go back to the difficulty that we had it back and maybe rap of the witch king or you know a few raids and capitalism well I actually talked about this I talked about this on stream yesterday too I think one of the big things with classic is and we have talked about this in general but it's a lot more casual friendly than people give it credit for and it's because like sure like things are maybe a little bit things are a little bit harder I would say I would say that in mythic rating and stuff right now I think the game is much more mechanically difficult in retail wow the difficulty in classic while is more based around like knowledge preparation coordination more more of that aspect of the game it's it's more it's more community-centric not not to say that you know you still have to work with your guild obviously if you're mythic rating but it's a lot more like hey you need to do this the right way mechanically as opposed to like oh knowing what to do when the the big thing for me is like whenever you have things that are more difficult on the bottom end such as like leveling and you're putting in talent points and you're getting rewards for this while leveling up you get this series of small wins you're constantly feeling rewarded yeah that's a lot better than whenever you go to retail wow where the bottom end of the game is you level super fast LFR is a joke you don't really feel like you're doing anything other than wasting time like to me leveling and retail wow feels like almost I don't get anything out of it I don't feel rewarded I don't feel like I'm getting any stronger it's cosmetic it's very cosmetic exactly the biggest problem with modern-day wow is you can turn off your goddamn chat window and you can play it as a single-player game and you can go from level one to max level and kill the current boss without saying one word to something that's even worse than that is that you can do that and you say okay now I want more and vanilla wow had a difficulty curve it progressively got more difficult as you continued playing the game and the players whenever they got to level 60 had a set of goals because they had 60 levels to make that set of goals now you know somebody that gets put on a character that they don't fully understand because it starts at level 110 they randomly face roll their way up to 120 they queue for LFR they kill the last boss in the game and they say okay now I want more they try to join a normal mode group they have the item level for it so they get invited and they get immediately kicked out because the games took no time at all teaching them how to play or giving them the tools to have other people teach them how to play along the way well yeah absolutely I mean what what does it say about your game's leveling experience if you can literally buy your way past it like you're right it teaches you it teaches you nothing in vanilla while like I feel like the leveling experience was very very formative it taught you a lot of skills that you're going to use late game and I feel like the leveling in retail I was just very very ineffective well the thing is with an MMO I mean an MMORPG is supposed to be a massively multiplayer online role-playing game so like the community building aspect in the community should always be the heart of the MMO because at the end of the day you're gonna kill that boss you're gonna get that profession to max level you're gonna like do that raid you're gonna do whatever the hell it is you want to do so what's gonna keep you playing the game for like 10 plus years or five years or even like a couple of months it's the people that you play it with and if you create a platform where people can't talk to each other when people aren't making friends where people don't need to make friends to overcome challenges it shouldn't be a surprise when your game starts dying because I think that whenever you said need I agree with you I think that you should in order to overcome the biggest challenges in the game in order to beat the hardest bosses in the game on any mode I think you should have to make friends and you should have to interact with people and what's so weird about this and we should actually talk about the right-click report thing soon too because this like ties right into it with classic wow is the problem is that I look at somebody like my mom and plays wow she's played wow for 12 years just like I have and she did more raiding she had more friends and she enjoyed the game more and she played it more back in vanilla wow and burning crusade because that she was not put on rails and told go from step one two three and four and she was put in a fantasy world environment and she was allowed to form her own destiny do her own things and work at them at her own pace she did professions she made gold she made so much gold that she helped me pay for my epic flying mount okay yeah that is meaningful I remember that nurturing nurturing mother yeah absolutely and she helped my friend pay for his too she helped Zach pay for his epic flying mount there you go dude and like that was something that she could do and she could achieve on her own and that was more meaningful to her than randomly opening up a box and getting a Titan Forge because it's something that she earned and she owned like she got that herself and as soon as boys would realize is how important that is the game will turn around 180 degrees but the problem that I'm seeing is that I don't think they see what what we're seeing right and I think sorry next evening gone I was just gonna say like you know to go off that point to go off what we were talking about before I just feel that the classic wow for me and like even into BC Blizzard with their gameplay in a while back then handled it so perfectly like you could go to the Agamand Mills family crypts and you could you could probably do it by yourself if you had some health potions and some really sticky glue shout out to really sticky glue saved my ass a lot back in the day anyway but I mean you could probably do it but let me tell you if you don't if you are not out leveled for that fucking crypt if you do not like if you don't have the health potions if you don't have everything you need you're gonna die you're gonna die and you're gonna do that death run from Brill all the way to the Agamand Mills family crypt and I told I've told this story a million times I will never forget when I got to that God forsaken crypt and I died three times and did that long death run and I sat there and I said how am I supposed to do this on my own and it's like a light bulb clicked in my head and it was like oh I'm not and it was like okay well I could like go and like keep leveling and do other quests and all that mumbo jumbo and come back but I want to do that I want to do this quest right now Devlin Agamand is down there and I want to beat him right and so what I did is I did a call out on general chat and I said does anybody doing this quest and pyro Mike even after all these years pyro Mike whispered me and said what's up Zikni or I'll help you kill Devlin Agamand that asshole and we grouped up two mages and we kicked his ass and I got that staff and I was like dude Devlin Agamand can suck it man look at this green staff my first green on my mage and I was so proud and that's how they did it back in the day and me and pyro Mike dude we were friends all the way up to like frickin raiding and wrath of the Lich King and that's when he left the game really that guy yeah that's actually sick dude that's awesome that's actually so cool yeah and so dude like did that that crypt man like for those of you in the chat and I know you're watching you never done the Agamand Mills family crypt and Tirisfal glades and classic oh you just wait you're gonna have a great time you're gonna have a great time unless you're a hunter that's gonna be easy but the point is you're gonna have a great time my first character was a wasn't undead so I remember it I remember quite well I so here here's something I'm really curious about and I've thought about this a lot with classic wow is that one thing that really made him a most special is the novelty of being able to interact and talk to people online and that was so new and so special back in Burning Crusade and you know like all the way up until I'd say Cataclysm or maybe Wrath of the Lich King and then it became commonplace with things like Facebook and everything and things being more integrated do you feel like that's something that we won't really be able to recapture with classic wow because it's something that people are just now used to I mean I remember back in Halo 2 lobbies I would sit there and this was in 2004 before I started playing wow and I would just sit there and talk to some other random kid that's like you know 15 or 14 just like me and we talk about how we didn't like to do homework and you know what we did how cool we were and how dumb the people that were grade below us were and do you feel like that's something that will be able to recapture with classic wow or is that to a degree gone with the times I think I mean personally as somebody that like writes a lot of classic wow guides and stuff like that I think personally a lot of the information about vanilla like the accurate information is still really not out there there's going to be a lot of things that are out there a lot of people play classic with some kind of quest helper add on and stuff like that you know those old experiences of having to read your quest text to know where everything is and stuff along those lines a lot of that unfortunately is not going to come back but the authenticity the feeling of being this adventure in this large world I can guarantee you that'll come back because for people that you know I've seen people start playing vanilla wow recently never played it before young kids 15 16 17 years old we're too young to even know what vanilla was back in the day they start playing today they start playing you know on they start playing on Nostin stuff like that and they have the exact same experiences that we did the way they describe it how emotional they get when talking about it right still capture it's still captures people captivates imaginations and yeah yeah go ahead says I was gonna say for me like those sort of like low-key chilling conversations that you mentioned those are always a byproduct of halting to work together you know like it's like one of you mentioned you know you're doing a quest and you make a friend like nixiam said and then that leads to that sort of relationship and so I think just because classic wow necessitates those those initial teamwork interactions you'll make friends you'll have those conversations again now they might take place in discord rather than you know in-game slash party chat but I definitely think those interactions are gonna continue here I just I was just gonna add to that so I know for me like I didn't play I didn't really play wow for a long time especially not like on a competitive level since I hard quit and cataclysm like I would kind of I kind of dip my toes in for what and I was like I you know this isn't it I got jubated right and saying we're going back to drain or an outland all the like I just thought of outland all this stuff and now isn't good and then I came back in Legion but I didn't even I didn't have any desire to come back to wow until I had heard about like the nostalgia shut down and then I heard about like the private servers opening up and stuff like that and then that's when I started playing and then eventually started streaming and stuff and that kind of gave me a desire to check out Legion but my stream was going pretty well and I was like okay I'm not gonna worry about it until I got banned and I then I actually tried it out and and yeah I mean I just think it's so like I whenever I first stepped into vanilla wow again on a private server right and this will be the same experience or very similar experience that a lot of people have playing classic who may have played wow in the past may have played vanilla in the past it's not the same exact thing but it's a different feeling but it's a very very good feeling and it's very very exciting and there's a lot of stuff that you're gonna go through and as much as people want to say like tip said oh everybody knows everything and this and that no they don't and and I think like I've talked about this before where the meta in classic wow and the meta in private servers and the meta on wow classic like retail vanilla versus private servers versus while classic they're gonna be three different meadows because of certain things that are gonna be different for example like the 16 debuff slots and while classic whenever that comes out and there's all kinds of stuff you're starting with 1.12 talents you started 1.12 talents on private servers as well there's a lot of things that are different like for example stay safe you're you're in for a good time I think stay safe and in wow classic just the way shadow priests are gonna be in raids and you play a warlock and we're locked kind of sucked in the beginning of retail vanilla and then by the end of it getting ready for burning crusade they're pretty pretty singing good you know I'm playing the late game and I'm only playing warlock in classic because I'm waiting for classic TVC yeah there you go so no it's gonna be good right I think it's uh that's just kind of how I feel about it in general you had another question I kind of want to get along with some of the other stuff I mean we can talk forever but go ahead and oh I know I want one point of riddles that I started playing black desert and I had some really great memories interacting and playing with people on there and being part of a guild and we would sit in like I think it was like team speak or something like that until like 7 a.m. and just talk about life and farm trees and it seems like such a ridiculous thing but I feel like it is possible to have it again I absolutely do feel that way would be the same as the first time I don't think so but it'll be meaningful enough for people to have an experience that they'll remember exactly exactly well I mean for me personally I mean I always say this I would never play on a private server but if I did all right and I did play Nost and I know life to that shit like during warlords of Draenor I would say that for me personally like I did recapture that feeling entirely I mean I didn't recapture that feeling it was it was amazing like for me because like for someone like me I mean I'm in a unique position because I mean some people know this some people don't like I didn't get to hit level 60 back in classic I was level 58 when BC came out and so a lot of stuff in classic is still a mystery to me I don't know where to get like the best like shoulders for like the warrior class at level 60 I don't know I didn't even know about that whirlwind axe quest line until Mr. Tips out made that epic video about it I was like man dude the whirlwind axe quest line that looks so cool like there's still so much mystery for even someone like me who played classic back in the day and who hasn't you know no life on private servers there's still plenty of stuff to consume and for me personally when I was playing on wasn't playing on those servers it was like I couldn't go like 10 minutes like after logging in without being in a group with someone and talking to them and grouping up to kill Hogger or to kill Defias in Westfall or questing in the wetlands or anything and that's what made it special like within no time at all my friends list was completely filled up and when that server shut down and I logged in for the last time and said goodbye to all those people it was like it like made me feel something right like like I felt something and I don't want to talk about it on stream because it'd be a little corny but no dude that's that's how it is I mean like I had a similar feeling even though even though I didn't play Noss and I started playing on the next round I whenever my guild broke up this is after I got banned my guild broke up I was the guild leader and like I'm telling you every like penny in the gold bank that we had every piece of copper I was just like I was buying consumables for like pugs I was buying stuff for guildies I was buying stuff for everybody trying to just keep the guild together because after I got banned from streaming it became really hard to recruit and on top of that they just announced classic so a lot of people had kind of like fallen out of the private server scene and I like I mean it that was hard like because your guild in vanilla wow your guild was like your family actually I think asman it was that night we were like I was on discord with you asman we're playing pubg with mcconnell and I was just like I was I was pretty beat up yeah I remember like you're actually really bothered about it yeah there's a real contrast to me whenever my guild broke up I stole the guild bank and yeah yeah like I just like for me it was just like the feeling of like I felt like it kind of felt like I like I had failed right and your guild is it's so tight knit and there's people it's like why why the hell is this guy in this position why the hell is this guy doing this but at the end of the day like you got the one guy I mean you guys who watch the little streams like you got deputy for example and he's kind of like the drunk uncle in the rain it's like deputy like I love you but shut the hell up you always have that guy and and it's it's everybody like does their part and everybody pulls so hard to like push through and we got we literally we plugged we plugged I think we were we plugged 15 players and we got eight out of nine aq but it's because I literally dumped the entire guild bank into consumables for for pugs and stuff and we lost out on some loot but you know we had this discussion with officers and we were like okay like if we have this many pugs you know we're going to give them loot or whatever and I and I said like no look if we're if we want to have anything actually work if we want to bring pugs in if we want to have people come into the raid we're going to have to give them a fair shot at loot and yeah like we lost out on stuff but we at least got eight out of nine in aq before you know we eventually disbanded and some of us went into another guild and you know I kept playing after that and and eventually like cleared next but you know playing my rep paladin but I mean it's just it's it's very like you're your friends and the community and people that you're involved in you know kind of like you would ever not shut down nixium it really sucks to lose that and it's on a different level and it's it's slightly different but at its core it's the same thing right and that's a lot how I felt whenever whenever that happened yeah yeah and hopefully this will be one of the big positives of classic wow of having vanilla wow be sort of offered in a mainstream avenue right you don't have to worry about your character progress being lost or your friends list being lost so to speak right yeah yeah not to worry about like not to worry about like dumb admin drama happening behind the scenes head admins girlfriend cheats on him and then he gets mad and deletes the server yeah you only have to worry about stupid company drama uh yeah I know really earnings reports speaking of which yeah like let's talk about that a little bit uh good transition yeah so basically the pocket with the stick yeah I'll I'll pick up the stick so basically we had the earnings report come out you know we all listen to it yesterday and a lot of it listened to a lot of us listen to it on stream uh actually if you haven't listened to it yet I posted it on my youtube channel if you guys want to go to my youtube channel sfan tv and if you guys haven't followed stay safe tips nixxiom and asmongold as well follow them on twitch follow them on youtube follow them on twitter all their links are on the screen right there so please give them a follow or youtube sub twitch prime sub whatever you want to do please do that yeah it's all right there but on my youtube channel I posted the the call if you guys want to check that out um there was I think what happened in that call and it wasn't just the call it was the the events surrounding it right about 800 layoffs uh yesterday from blizzard which is an insane number especially given that they said they were uh reporting big profits right that they said it was their their biggest profits they've had in a long time or it was that record I think it was record ever right record profits well it's just really to sort of unpackage that it was record profits for activation blizzard which includes king and activation product so mobile candy crush games and a call of duty so while there were record activation blizzard profits I think that like the blizzard overwatch hearthstone world of warcraft profits were below where they expected it to be they also said the battle for azeroth sawn expected decline they expected battle for azeroth to see a decline which is right it's kind of funny it's not very good yeah they're just saying that so it doesn't sound bad right I mean like they had a decline in cataclysm there was a decline in missa pendaria there's a big decline in wad there was a decline in legion I mean well actually well we don't know that right but I mean based off of every third party metric possible there was a decline in legion and absolutely with the fa so it's like yeah oh we expected this to happen which makes it sound like it was a controlled fall rather than just like a plummet and you know it makes it seem like you know they did this on purpose or they expected it to happen which is in a way slightly better and it makes people feel more confident yeah I don't know I don't know which one's worse to say like yeah we we planned to like make our game like die more or like oh shit we didn't know this would happen we'll do better I think that we want a little bit different because any game is gonna have a huge height period and then have a decline and if you look at the graph of like burning crusade and wrath and vanilla for example those games defied that and I would say they are the exception and certainly not the rule like the truth is that yeah any game you'd expect to have that happen but wow was so good back then that it didn't yeah and the genre wasn't as uh I wouldn't say the genre was his mainstream like sure there were a lot of mmo's around back then like even before that right with EverQuest Dark Age of Camelot all kinds of games but the genre became so much more mainstream after vanilla wow had come out and over time you know it got involved in the media I mean whether it was like the South Park episode or the Leroy Jenkins video taking off and it kind of turning into like a you know normie meme a little bit but I mean that that was like a whole thing like wow became like this it's its own thing like there was his own culture surrounding wow and uh that that certainly helped kind of grow those sub numbers through vanilla and through burning crusade and wrath I think it grew like half a million I think it was it was still growth but it mostly leveled out compared to the first two um but yeah no I think it's uh I think yesterday was to me it was more evidence and more like there's this whole narrative of like Activision is taking over right and I think yesterday was just a really just another strong piece of evidence towards that where it's like this isn't Blizzard anymore it's Activision Blizzard and I mean just how they talk right I mean they talk a ton about Call of Duty and that's that's I mean that's the company right of course they're going to talk about Call of Duty of course they're going to talk about Candy Crush in mobile games that's what King does but a lot of the concerns that players have is it's not so much that they're doing these things is are these things going to take away from what Blizzard is is Activision going to not see what Blizzard does and what Blizzard has done for years to be profitable and because the numbers don't match up they say okay like you guys need to do something different like we're going to get rid of this and we're going to add more mobile that's what people are scared of it's not necessarily the addition of mobile it's replacing something with mobile or other avenues so can I ask you guys a question this is something I genuinely don't know and maybe you guys know I'm not sure we saw Bungie recently split from Activision Blizzard what are the chances that I mean I don't even know if it's possible can Blizzard split from Activision zero chance you're looking into it okay it's not going to happen yeah Bungie or Bungie was under a developer contract so they were still technically a third party there weren't any assets tied between them and Activision whereas Blizzard know their assets are intertwined so to speak so it's like it's one company it could still like you know legally speaking you could split them up but it would be a much more rigorous and just tumultuous process and it would require so many more approvals and stuff I mean talking about yesterday I think yesterday in you know you've got to look at it multiple in multiple different lenses if you are an investor yesterday you heard exactly what you wanted to hear more focus on eastern markets and global strategies recent investment on mobile platforms which you know whether or not we like whether or not we want to admit it it's the largest growing gaming platform in the world and again you know sticking to key franchises that have been proven successful in the past instead of innovating but unfortunately when it comes to investors versus consumers they're I guess like we're at odds basically right their interests do not align with our interests as players this time around and as a result it really sucks I mean we want I just guessing from you guys and everybody else we want innovation we want new IPs we want new franchises yeah we want old franchises to come back to their former glory as well but you know if you told me should Blizzard bring back classic or hypothetically Blizzard design an MMO with the same principles of classic but a new game nine times out of 10 I'd ask for the new game first you know and stuff like that and obviously you know we're not mobile gamers most of us are PC gamers a lot of us don't play mobile games except very casually when you're you know taking a dump after Chipotle or something like that you know so it's unfortunate the call was successful I think from a company standpoint but obviously from a consumer standpoint you know hearing these things hearing that you know the vast majority of community managers got laid off and customer support got laid off and stuff like that it's very distressing definitely distressing yeah they also did say I think you're right like I think that I think they said the right things to appease their their shareholders they also said 2019 will be a low key or not much coming out they also said zero new major frontline releases in 2019 I don't know so obviously they don't consider classic wow to be a major frontline release because that's what I think that's what I think summer 2019 classic is canceled dude just no classic it's not canceled no I totally agree these days that's what I think I think they don't see classic as a big it's not going to be a big kind of financial staple like it's not going to pull in a bunch of revenue on its own whenever it's released I I think that they're underestimating the amount of value they're going to get now I understand given that classic you're not going to have to pay for you're not going to have to buy like a box copy or you know a digital copy whatever you're not going to have to pay a separate fee it's built into the current wow subscription so they could be looking at it as a sort of like oh this kind of cannibalizes their current market and sure it might there might be some people who play retail wow right now who probably will not play retail wow come classic release I don't know who that might be but um no I think that uh I think that sure there's some of that but the amount of subs that they're going to increase from the people who don't play at all and are now going to start playing classic I think it's going to be huge and I think it's something that's going to be uh they might not be a big boost and a big spike this year but it's something that's going to last over the course of many years as long as classic is done the right way well yeah absolutely um I just want to say real quick like it is very likely that they will not monetize classic wow as much as they have monetized retail wow or hardstone or overwatch or call of duty like I think the money that they stand to make from classic wow is so little so little compared to every other every other game IP that they have right now like you're saying like as opposed to like a full release or you're talking about a current game that they have out current games like classic wow just just the just the revenue that they make from from subscribers um is is so little compared to what they make from a game like overwatch or retail wow where people are paying a sub fee as well as loot boxes and loot boxes and mounts and toy like and box price box price too yeah true yep can't forget about that I agree I mean like obviously I feel like classic wow is going to have like its own core audience but it's not going to be like some massive thing and also if classic wow is included with the subscription for the current game then it's just purely a positive like anybody who's like going to play wow they have this extra thing that they can now take part in it's going to absolutely increase the amount of subs because there's going to be tons of people who get bored on current wow and play classic and vice versa I I feel like one thing that Blizzard might not be taking into account is the amount of people that you know for nostalgic reasons go back and they play classic wow and they are the people that J. Helen Brack was talking about you think you do but you don't and they don't and you know what maybe some of them will try out BFA and they'll like it and it's a win win for the entire world of warcraft community and I think that's a huge component of like one of these classic and retail conversations is that we're both on the same team we might have different goals but we both want world of warcraft as a whole to succeed and I think if one side succeeds the other side is going to see I think so too yeah I think so too I think you're going to have a lot of I think you're going to have a portion of people who are going to play both or they want to try one they end up trying out the other vice versa I think that's I think that's certainly something that could be a thing one thing that is going to impact that crossover between retail and classic a lot is is are you going to have to buy like a game box to play classic wow if you have bought retail can you play classic wow without buying like the classic wow game if you like because that that could really hinder because that's what twenty dollars yeah we don't know that I don't think no we don't in a perfect world like I would say yeah if you have an active like subscription and you have the current expansion you can play classic wow or something like that and not really to buy like another game and I think that would just be a smart thing for blizzard to do to re-release a box edition you know have like the midnight release events at game stops I mean like there are tons of different things that blizzard could do to really hype up and cash in on this nostalgia because it's a one-time only thing like this is a once in a in like the entire history of gaming like they will never be able to do something as hyped up as this before you guys remember like there were more upvotes whenever classic wow got announced than whenever Donald Trump won the president's yeah people care about this a lot it is a massive thing it's impacted the entire generation players and like gamers yeah I think so I mean you look at look at a lot of big uh look at a lot of the biggest streamers now you know a lot of those people either they they started streaming in wow or they started their their online like gaming careers in wow every single every single person that's true yeah what do you say as man you look like you had something to say next year uh yeah I mean I'm still of the opinion that classic is going to be bigger than retail wow and with how like bfa has been like in decline like that video that you all laughed at not you guys here you know I'm talking to you chat but you're like crazy how could you say that classic will be bigger than bfa I'm still standing by my statement as mingold's right this is a this is a big thing and people are hyped and people are interested for classic and um there's something else I was gonna say something really important but I don't remember what it was I like listening you know like I don't get to talk to these guys very often so I like hearing what they gotta say well yeah I totally agree man I think classic wow is gonna I mean at launch obviously surpass retail and I think whenever wherever it levels out in plateaus I think that will still be surpassing retail wow active player base yeah I really do think yeah I hope you guys are right yeah I think yeah and and I I want to go back to the earnings call just real quick because Stacey if you alluded to it actually stay save me a really good video about this this morning um regarding you know profitability and stuff like that I think as bad as the earnings was from like an active vision blizzard perspective versus consumer perspective I think we as the classic community specifically might have gotten lucky and it's the fact that active vision seems very focused on RMT micro transactions but also their frontline major release product products and I think they just don't consider classic to be a major release product so we might get lucky in the sense that the cash shop fears for classic and all that stuff it just I don't think it's gonna happen because classic is flying so low on the radar compared to their other games that are about the ship so we might we might dodge the active vision bullet because they just they don't see the potential the I think I was gonna say just gotta sneak it in it's the fact that people are saying this in the chat and you guys probably have heard of this little game called apex legends that has been taken off lately so many big streamers are playing this game and giving it so much publicity publicity at the moment and it's just a rapidly growing title and there are so many big streamers here on twitch and across youtube and everywhere that are interested in playing classic wow they want to stream it they want to play it and if we look at other games and how they've grown because of like the the community just streaming it making videos about it promoting it free promotion again it just adds more fuel to that fire of I I genuinely believe classic is gonna be a lot bigger than I think anyone is expecting I honestly think it's gonna blow up apex I think hit like 600k viewers on twitch right yesterday well bfa launch was at about 500k wasn't it at one point am I am I remembering that right it was it was it's hard for me to remember that it was it was some it was some insane number right and uh I think classic launch do you guys know does blizzard do sponsored streams for wow like do they do that they do okay they do yeah they know yeah because I saw uh giant waffle did one okay yeah giant waffle did one the thing is like you with the the other streamers on twitch there's a lot of people that you probably don't even know are like huge wow fans and they've played wow in the past and people like greek greek has a video on youtube of him getting the time lost proto drink yeah played wow xqc played wow tim the tatman loves wow um well shroud loves wow all of these people that you might not even think are wild players because it's not what their normal twitch or streams are about these are actually huge you know really big fans of wow it's actually crazy it's holding on soon yep I I'm hoping that blizzard gives us progressive legacy though because I mean if they don't I mean I I'm a big advocate for progressive legacy I would like to see those classic servers turn into bc servers one day otherwise yeah I mean obviously the content's going to be consumed people will get bored after like you know eight years of classic obviously so I did I do hope that we get progressive legacy down the road but that's the subject for another time I agree and I mean at the bare minimum they have to continue offering new classic web servers right because if they don't we're just going to be in the situation right now that we've been in the last several years as well where if you want to play vanilla you have to play on a private server like if they if they only do it for two years and then they stop okay guys that was it like right we're back where we're gonna they're gonna go back to private servers it doesn't make any sense so they need to make fresh I think they should progress onto bc and whatnot I think I think all that's very important and so as far as getting more classic news in the near future we haven't really heard much recently the only thing we've heard is actually a post from this was from Jethysons I think a couple of weeks ago Jethysons who is now former community manager and we can talk about that in a little bit but he says we've been working on a number of things to hopefully get out to you guys soon nothing to share on it specifically right now but work is happening every day both on classic as well as things we want to communicate to you guys about classic I myself look forward to showing more details in the coming future as I've been very excited and interested in seeing and hearing what all the team is doing and we know you guys are eager to hear and see these things too one thing real quick even just like reading through that a little bit I get kind of frustrated because if you've been following the classic community at all you know whether it's on reddit or you're in discords or you're on forums you know how active Jethysons was a community manager and unfortunately like he was he was one of the guys who got laid off he was one of the 800 and it's it actually it completely blows my mind and for me like I it's it's it's a little bit more personal with me because after my ban I tried emailing different people I tried messaging different people on discord twitter and try and find out like hey what are the rules what can I do what are the proper how do I be a classic wow youtuber content creator if I can't do this on private servers and and he's the one out of everybody who I try to get in touch with he's the one who was willing to talk to me and was willing to like establish a relationship with me eventually after me being like oh like this you know bad guy just got dmca and all this stuff and just knowing how much that guy cares about wow about classic about the community and it it it totally blows my mind and you know we got to hang out a lot at blizzcon and it's it's something that on a more personal level outside of just the personal you know how how big I think he was for the classic community and how he was pretty much the only means of communication that we had both as a community and as content creators for me personally that's something I was like really really upset about I got a little bit upset on streaming about it too like for this guy it very clearly wasn't a job like give us a really really nice guy it wasn't his job like this this was his passion it was his dream job right I mean when we were down there for blizzcon he he contacted us and said hey can I give you guys a tour of the blizzard hq so he gave us a tour and he was so eager to show us like all the cool things they had there and I mean this is a guy that he loves him a little while he loves classic wow he loves retail wow like he like he he bled this stuff right yeah he's really sad to see him go yeah yeah and and he actually does have a twitch account if you guys want to give him a follow on twitch uh he might even join me on stream after after the show a little bit later tonight it's twitch.tv slash saccar s a k a r if you uh if you guys want to give him a follow on twitch and uh he streams every now and then but he might join me a little bit later tonight and uh we can have a chat and just just hang out a little bit but um but yeah so uh basically what he was saying kind of getting back to the point is uh that hopefully we're going to get some more classic news soon and this is something that you know we've been hoping for a while now oh he's here great what's up dude yeah he's here nice um so yeah this is this is something that you know we've been hoping to to get some classic news more soon we we thought that we might get a beta by now you know one of the classic demos out at blizzcon time we thought we would get a beta by now but um i think at this point hopefully next month uh i don't know who knows what do you guys think you're pretty optimistic is what i maybe i'm thinking it's gonna be any day now any day now yeah i mean so what we've seen with the last three or four wow expansions is like they start alpha phase about seven months before four release right so we are in that time frame right now if it comes out in september which is the end of the summer window it would come out this month if they're on a seven month time frame who knows if they're gonna treat classic wow like a wow expansion if they're gonna have a seven month alpha beta phase who knows but like it i really really hope that that they do one like i hope they have an alpha hope they have a beta i hope that they're not just thinking about just not doing it right i really think it has a lot of value the more the more turbo nerds they can get in this game touching everything you know doing quests activating items whatever like it's just going to be better for everyone so i really hope they end up doing it soon mm-hmm yeah i think uh i think having having a testing period where they can go and they can stress test launch they can uh test out different things and kind of like states they've said get all like these these big vanilla brains okay get them in the game yeah just just get the big vanilla brains together just go full-on vanilla brain just maximum 500 iq to get them to go in there and to say okay like i noticed this thing is wrong like i know like even the smallest little things like i noticed on the classic demo if i jumped and i turned while having my auto attack active i would swing my hips like i do in retail wow but if i'm doing it normally on the 1.12 client i'm always static now if i jump normally i would be totally static uh but it's just a little stuff like that because they are down porting a lot of stuff and uh these little things that you know you might have your eyes more trained to notice because you're you know sometimes you see something and you're like something's different i don't know what it is and then you go and you break it down oh that's it uh people are going to be able to catch stuff like that and i think a beta beta period is really important or at least like testing phases or something like that would be really important to get the community involved and make people feel like they're a part of it i mean we've seen the we've seen the forum threads and we've talked about our opinions on like four phases of content release is not nearly enough i think it should be at least six we've talked about the right click report feature uh many times uh the right click report feature we've talked about sharding we've talked about loot trading how all these things can have a negative impact on the game and we're hoping that uh you know we're using our words the right way and we're able to actually make an impact and uh whether it's you guys in the community who were vocal about this whether it's us as content creators who are vocal about this i think it's really important for us to um you know be vocal the right way and to give positive feedback and and uh or give feedback positively excuse me about we what we like and don't like i'm curious i'm curious what azimuth and nixie and what you guys how you guys feel about the beta do you guys want to see a long beta a short beta and what are your guys's thoughts on it honestly i'd like to see you like a two week period for like a beta and then no more like i i'd like to see something in that way like the game comes out i wouldn't want it to be like where all the hype for the game happens before the game comes out yeah like that would kind of be disappointing now that i think is unrealistic i i think they're just gonna do a beta the same the way that they did bfa but in like a perfect world for me i would like to see no ptrs and like no raid testing until the raid to actually come out like i i'd really like to see that kind of stuff that way it would be like a truly like new experience for a lot of the people and uh i don't know i just think it would make it more special but i can see why obviously they're probably not going to do that i just want to see like like as mingle said i just want to see uh the shortest beta possible to be honest because i think about you know some guy billy you know he gets on the uh you know the beta and he makes friends with the dude named arnold and then the beta ends you know and then the classic servers come out you know like hopefully they kept in contact with each other um like outside of outside of uh the the beta so that they can play together on the exact same server so i don't know like i really want it to be as short as possible so that the community can start building itself as soon as possible so i'm more in favor of like a really short beta um two weeks whatever but uh i just want to see the thing out um i want to see uh i want to see it out and i want to see the game working its magic uh but yeah i mean obviously there is a lot of stuff to beta test whether it be like animations just small changes you know bugs that new bugs like new new classic yeah new bugs yeah i mean my concern is if it's if it's a two week beta that's like just enough time to get to 60 and that's without you know taking time to submit reports and bug tickets and stuff like that so i i think it should be longer like i think it should be much longer um and maybe hand it out very selectively um to people that they know like that have a if maybe they could look at their at the last couple betas and alphas that they've done and they give uh beta access selectively to people that have a known history of submitting tickets and reporting bugs to those people that are proven to be turbo nerds um i don't know but uh i think i think that longer is better do you want like in terms of population do you want like a really like tight community like are applying the beta or do you want it to be like hi man you beta tested bfa so here you go like you know uh like over 100,000 beta keys go out or who knows how many right it's it's hard to say like what the appropriate number is as well we're gonna say oh nothing oh sorry i was just gonna i was gonna say like if you think about the number i think if they went with because you gotta you gotta see like okay how many how many keys do we give out and how many do we expect to actually like play and log in because i'm sure they give out a lot of keys of people who like log in once kind of screw around a little bit and leave you know uh or they never even log in at all so it's like what's what's the retention rate that they've had on on bfa and and on other uh other things that they've done betas for right other expansions um i don't know like let's say if they gave out like 10,000 keys and had like uh stress testing periods or something like that and just said like okay let's let's try and have everybody log in i think i mentioned this two or three classic castigo but let's have everybody log in at once and no sharding no dynamic respawn no new system put into the game to account for a larger uh larger population we're just gonna put everybody in the game at once and just kind of see how it plays out and that's one testing period and it might be like for a few hours then you do another testing period where you do the same thing and then there is sharding and see how that plays out and and for them i think it does two things one it gets the community involved and lets the community see like okay what all blizzard is doing to you know work through the the obstacles that they have to work through in order to recreate this game it does that too uh it also allows them to just get an essentially like a live test like i know a lot of times like whatever i'm doing like dps tests and stuff like that on um on classic it's like i see videos of like oh i did this thing and it's like yeah like you were hitting a training dummy and and you had like all these buffs and stuff and you're using gm commands it's like sure of course you're going to do that much like damage or whatever you need to take what you're testing and you need to put it in a rate environment where you have to move for different mechanics you have to like do different things at certain times you can't just press one button and it macros like all your stuff together so it's i think a live test is uh is so much different than than something that's like simulated or something that's estimated in this case i think if they just have everybody run in and see what happens i think that's the best case scenario i agree and i think i think on top of like sharded servers and non-sharded servers they should have non-sharded servers of varying population caps they have a server with 3000 cap 4000 5000 6000 and they see which server is like the most optimal most fun is holding up you know can players kill mobs in a reasonable time i'd like to see that also the only other thing that i kind of worry about when it comes to a long-ass beta is the fact that there's a lot of people including myself i'm not really interested in playing a classic beta like i want to play classic like god damn but i don't really want to play a beta because you might as well be playing on a private server because it doesn't matter like what you do on there like sure release like a two month beta give people time to get to level 60 but as soon as that beta is done you lost all of it all your progress everything you did i understand it's beta it's protesting and you gotta get out of but that's why i was concerned about uh populations yeah that's something i was going to ask you guys i mean let's say they have a classic beta you can do everything you can do you can go one to 60 you can do all the dungeons you want do you guys it's last four weeks let's say last four weeks do i think four weeks and level to 60 and do dungeons i think i i'm sorry sorry if there is a four week beta do you level to 60 and do all the dungeons or do you just sort of goof around i do what my stream wanted me to do honestly and then whenever the game came out seriously i would play it seriously because i feel the same way that nixium does i don't want to build a castle on sand yeah for for me i i would want to like map out my leveling route and do stuff like that because i've talked about this before um i say that a lot frick uh but i i'm uh i think that there's a lot of things that are subject to change based on what we saw in private servers versus what we saw in and retail vanilla what we're going to see in classic so i think to be able to go through and actually map everything out in classic as it's going to be released i think that's going to be pretty valuable for me personally because i hadn't speed leveled in the past so this is going to be something new uh for me i always just kind of like have a good time level like it took me five weeks the last time i leveled to 60 i think it took me five weeks of real lifetime and i pvp'd i i leveled professions i did everything along the way and i and i really really enjoyed it i think if i'm leveling on a pvp server while streaming i'm going to have to speed level and rush through it and then i might level and alt on a pve server and and really enjoy that separately so that's how i think it's going to go are are you all going to just race to max level or what are your plans i'm going to get there basically as fast as i can but i'm not going to do anything that's ridiculous i'm not going to do like a 72 hour stream or anything like that i'll do all the dungeons i'll play through the game i don't i don't know if they're going to have molten core available on release so i won't if they do then i'll have a different perspective on how fast i want to get to 60 definitely going very hard very fast just like by by virtue of what s-fan said like i want to play on a pvp server but i recognize like unfortunately i'm not going to be able to play the game how i want to play it during that leveling process so you just got to make some sacrifices and go fast and i do take like a lot of enjoyment in like the race like the the fresh server race like there's something about it that's very very exciting it's a different like kind of way to play the game but i think it's got its own merits too and save for save save yeah oh i'm speeding yeah i'm speeding yeah i mean you're actually you were you're known as a very fast leveler back back uh on the private server days you were known as a fast leveler yeah and i used to spend a lot of time building world-like leveling routes and stuff i mean you can't you can't define fun right you know if if one person wants to do dungeons while they're leveling a level professions then uh that's what they should do if if you define fun as speed leveling then that's what you should do whatever whatever you think is most fun you can't tell anyone how to play the game i think i'll get there really fast either way i mean like this time around like in bfa uh the only reason i didn't get realm first 120 was i got disconnected for like an hour at 110 i got realm first 110 uh 100 i got realm first warrior 100 and i was disconnected for like two hours uh at 90 i got uh almost realm first 100 warrior or 90 warrior so like i'm not i'm not worried about leveling fast either way okay yeah i'm about as fast in real life as i am in game so i got some work to do yeah i mean i mean for me i'm gonna just kind of like as mingle said you know you kind of like at the mercy of the fact you're a streamer so on my one character like my stream character the public one like yeah you know i'll probably be leveling fast to to out level the gankers all right yeah because i know they're coming because i'm playing on a pvp realm like ain't no one's stopping that but i'll of course uh but i'll of course have like my private character that i'll play off stream that i can like really take my time with because i'm really gonna like i'm really gonna like i'm gonna i'm gonna savor the journey you know what i mean you're gonna have an off stream character that you keep completely secret are you guys are you are you guys going to do that also that's that's what i do with every game really yeah i do it with wow i do it with s so i do it with everything i have secret characters that i play oh sure yeah i actually secretly have been playing hello kitty online off stream and i'm a top player in the world yeah i'll add me man yeah yeah i will yeah just add me up it's uh yeah splurgy doodles is my name yeah just slash friend yeah it should be good mm-hmm all right man so so real quick guys if you haven't followed nixxiom azmin gold stay safe tv tips out baby if you haven't followed 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to tweet at us speaking of twitter if you want to tweet at us with hashtag classicast uh we can go into a little bit of q and a uh we we do have to wrap it up soon after the stream after the q and a uh well not after the stream but after the show i'm going to continue to stream and uh like i said yet this ends is going to join me on stream at some point for a little bit and uh we can we can talk to him a little bit and just kind of have a good time i'm going to do a twitch bounty i have a twitch bounty that i need to do and uh well we'll hang out we'll have a good time for a few hours after so uh yeah again if you guys if you guys have any questions we'll do a little bit of q and a at the end before we have to wrap it up and uh that's just hashtag classcast on twitter and and go ahead and follow us and add us as well um do you guys have anything else that you want to that you want to touch on before we move on let's get some questions man yeah yeah right into it yeah let's do it um how do you feel about new content being released with a vanilla philosophy in mind such as hydral raid uh with new gear to obtain so so this is from hef heresy he's essentially asking do you're essentially asking about progressive content release post nax uh i think that that's something that whenever this actually came up with blizzcon didn't somebody asked the question of blizzcon they said that's something that's not even on the radar for them um the the current devs they were saying like yeah i mean this is something that you know we're working on one step at a time and just trying to get the base game correct and i think that's the biggest thing and if they can go and they can get the base game right and then i think a lot of people want to see burning crusade and wrath a lot of people want what they used to have that's what they're looking for i think it could be cool i really do think it could be cool and uh like all that's fine but maybe that's a project down the road i don't think that's a project right now they should focus on doing burning crusade and wrath like there's no reason to try to reinvent the wheel literally you just make the same wheel again and it would be a slam dunk every time and every time it would appeal to a different player base that that no longer plays the game and stuff like that like it it would be ridiculous for them to go out of their way to develop new content just for vanilla i've heard a lot of people say osrs osrs you got to understand jagex like solely relies on runescape they have other games but like they literally killed runescape with a single update overnight and they had to go back to osrs they had to develop additional content blizzard activision blizzard doesn't need it the same way that jagex needs osrs i don't know like i think it'd be kind of cool if in classic way you could have like traits on maybe like two or three pieces of gear and a necklace you could level up titan forging too of course yeah like i think that'd be a good idea you know be cool yeah that'd be great just titan forging and you know group finder and all that stuff would be great right i don't really yeah that's sarcasm but we made a joke about this actually we made a joke about this one time and i got rage tweets from people and then i was like dude it was a joke it's like oh i literally just opened the stream i was like i was like you gotta relax dude it's a joke but dude i have a really demanding job like right i don't have time to raid i need lfr dude i work like as a cashier three hours a week you know for three hours for five days a week man like a really demanding job i need lfr you don't understand me true come on man why are you so selfish i sympathize you should play bfa yeah great that's i've heard of bfa it's really good check it out yeah it's a great it's a great game uh so this question is from wow ferrick uh if they do wow ferrick he says if they do progressive he's a good guy he's a good guy he's uh he's following me on twitter now so this question's from twitter uh if they do progressive legacy servers which expansion do you guys want them to stop at i'll uh i'll go ahead and start actually no you guys go ahead this is a good question man i'll go last oh okay i mean i i would say uh just to keep things easy for them stopping at wrath you have like some kind of you know you have some kind of artificial wall where you can say this was the original trilogy this was the world before cataclysm this was you know the old times you could do that because the second you get into cataclysm then it just doesn't stop and uh well i i don't see anything wrong with that i just think blizzard doesn't want to recreate literally every single expansion i just think you know wrath is like kind of the convenient stopping point and there's ways to to logically present it where it's like yeah this this is the classic era basically i guess i'll go before stay safe uh so here's what i think i think wrath is a very uh i think wrath is a good stopping point in general i think wrath is a good stopping point but i also think that by the time wrath were to come out you would get to the point where this is like five six years down the road and people are gonna really miss cataclysm at that point and they might want to do cataclysm and you might end up just like going through the whole thing again by the time it's over because think about how many years it's going to be since then like there's going to be people who are playing wow by the time classic wrath is out that have never played cataclysm won't want to play it now me personally i'm not a fan right me personally i i would i regret not playing wrath i do i would like to do classic bc wrath that's what i would like to do but i wouldn't be surprised if they went beyond it uh because who knows like people's opinions might change in like five or six years you know that's just for me personally it's wrath but i think people's opinions might change and uh they might go with uh they might add to it stay safe go ahead and go uh i think as many next year should go oh okay well then didn't there oh rap yeah this is the most wrath yeah i would like really oh well i would like for them to stop at wrath but if they're gonna go down the progressive legacy route like as soon as like wrath comes out oh wrath is out you know people do an extra promise there's gonna be a community of people that are gonna say dude like we want kata like we want kata and blizzards like well man we've already come this far and then when kata comes out people are like dude i didn't get to play that panda expansion i really want those pandas and like they're gonna do like mists after that like if you're gonna do progressive legacy like i i see them go on the whole way like you know just recreating the whole experience never gonna happen dude because they're gonna have to hire csp people for all of those different expansions because they're gonna have to know everything about the expansion specifically like logistically they're never gonna do it like wrath is the most we're ever gonna get you know i i don't know man like i want to i just want them to stop at wrath but it just wouldn't surprise me if they like tried to go the whole way the the like the dream right like the meta dream and i don't know if you guys ever played like ultima online or even like like minecraft i think minecraft does stuff like this but just to complete there you go uh to completely decentralize server hosting and allow communities to host their own private servers with profit sharing model in between a lot of games do this very profitable games do this uh so you could host any server you want and you could even modify that server if you want to do your own custom servers within within certain clients that would be great too i just i like that idea a lot i like giving the power to the modders i think you could see some really cool ideas that came out of that how'd i go with elysium well i mean like in general i mean it works with other games right it worked very well with like ultima online and minecraft when it's when it's known when it's like sponsored and endorsed by blizzard and when there are certain channels you can go through to get approvals and whatnot i think it can work really really well um but yeah you know it's the dream scenario and again guys we're taking questions from uh we're taking questions from twitter if you guys want a hashtag classicast at espantv at us at uh follow us on twitter we're looking at some of these questions yeah so like on that on how far i like to see classic classic wow go like classic tbc classic wrath whatever um for a long time like i was on the outside you know my hobby my passion the version of of wow that i loved vanilla wow you know i heard every dismissal in the book you know this is a bad version of the game it takes no skill it's not going to be cost effective whatever would every single way someone could dismiss what i loved i heard it right the wall of no it was all in the wall of no and more and so i don't want to be the guy that's like you know while personally i don't have any interest in anything after wrath like i would probably play classic wrath and then after that i would completely dip out if they continued but i don't want to be the guy that's like okay i got mine yoink i got classic wow oh you want clap like let's say eight years down the road there's a movement pushing for class friggin bfa or classic wad whatever it is if there's people that want it and blizzard of science like they they it's worth the investment to do that i'm not gonna like i'm not gonna crap on that like i don't want to be the guy that's like i got mine sorry uh good luck like i i would i would i would support those people hundred percent hundred percent i would i think i think there's like a certain amount of integrity that uh that goes into that yeah i think so i mean if if if people if there ends up being a demand right for let's say like a classic cataclysm or something and then you're dismissive of it then how hypocritical is that i mean that's that's exactly the situation exactly how i do yeah yeah yep so you guys remember everything someone could say about classic bfa like it's not fun it's no skill like anything anything you could do to dismiss classic bfa i guarantee someone has said that about classic vanilla i guarantee it's a really good point of course yeah now what's the likelihood that you know there's going to be people who want classic bfa not very likely right but you know with that being said if it were to happen then and we were dismissive of it that'd be pretty hypocritical and and i think it'd be wrong um here's a good question do you think the modern well this is from tommy vega uh do you think the modern wow mentality with all the improved approaches to min maxi and gameplay mastery will lead to new end game metas in classic uh i'll go ahead and start this one uh this is something that's actually already happened a lot of players in the in the privates we're seeing are actually like top players are very good players uh and retail wow who they had gotten bored of retail over the years and then they took that mentality and what they did into the private server scene and what they did with vanilla wow uh and you know you have speed runs you have people clearing like mc in like 20 minutes or so uh or even faster now of course it's like this is done on a private server and like everybody's on a hundred percent sure like what is accurate to retail vanilla or what is accurate to what is going to be wow classic but it doesn't necessarily dismiss what they're doing as far as like going and trying to find everything out to the nth degree and trying to cut down every second of time here and and popping consumes here and moving here and doing this skip and that skip i don't think uh just because it may or may not be different doesn't change change what they're doing right and and the amount of work and effort that goes into it yeah isn't anything um i would say it already has i mean you look at the classic or sorry the private server meta right now i mean it's now all all into using these like you know special specific weapons right i think the best example is the feral druid helmets uh that you know like the power shifting or whatever you have people that are speed clearing raids i mean it's changed in a lot of ways right and i'm completely uh yeah absolutely it'll change um do you guys have anything to add to that nope no not really yeah i think i think i think it was pretty good it's been said yeah and uh actually i know asman asman has actually got to get going you you have a uh you have a guest i believe a guest is coming to visit i don't know who yeah uh but he has to go pick uh pick her up or pick them up uh excuse me uh yeah so yeah he has to go pick up his guest and uh they just landed yeah okay so uh yeah and asman if you would just like uh i'll just have to cam and just hang out uh so guys thanks for having me on i really had a great time congratulations one year class thank you man thank you so much thank you for everything dude glad to be a part of it i'll see you guys later thank you dude so yeah um yeah asman asman is going we might do some uh irel action this week with uh with asman and the crew and and some of the people visiting i just noticed under asman's portrait it says virtual exchange that youtube channel is there really yeah and nixie nixie is silver lined pro silver lined pro that's right yeah not silver lined where does that come from nixie well here's the thing say like back in the day when youtube was starting out um like i was one of those cool people you know like i was one of those like dude like it's all about silver lined productions you know you start every video silver lined productions you know in windows movie maker and comic sans font that was that was me but some guy when i tried to make the official silver lined productions youtube channel some guy took the name silver line productions so i had to change it to silver lined production very creative yeah job though um this is a good questions this is a good question right here uh this is from north i really like this how do you think blizzard should handle raid bosses uh at the launch of classic should any or all of them be time gated or not uh he's talking about mc onnie and uh and world bosses um do you guys want to go first or uh yeah i'll sure i'll go like i think that because onnie and uh uh regneros and all of molten core were there at launch i think they should be available at launch now as for like you know world bosses and nefarion and stuff like that obviously that should be time gated but if it was there at launch i think it should be there at launch yeah i wouldn't want to see a time gate there i i completely agree with with stay safe um i can see the reasoning why it might be beneficial to delay certain things but at the end of the day no changes is no changes um it would be kind of cool to have like a three week or a month break where people could take their time and level if they wanted to but yeah it wasn't that way back in vanilla so well i i think the big thing here is is the world bosses right um i think with world bosses there's two ways to look at it one is if they have world bosses in at launch with uh that's again this is another problem with the four phases of content release guys uh is that they're saying world bosses and dire mall on launch which is something that i think we all disagree with uh i don't i i think it becomes a bigger problem the problems with the progressive release become worse later on uh but i do think dire mall at launch is not good i think that world boss on launch is not good because one of the things that happens is essentially you have the world bosses spawned in the world they're just sitting there and it's like whichever guild can rush to 60 and put a group together to kill the world bosses ends up getting everything for it right uh there it kind of takes the competition it's almost like it's not a free kill right because part of the competition starts at level one as opposed to the boss spawns and everybody gets there and they're actually fighting for world bosses uh this is a non issue if they change the four stages of content release and add a few stages and uh they put the world bosses in with a dire mall patch but uh that's that's my personal opinion on it i i don't know if if they're putting everything in at the start that's an issue that comes up uh should they time get it like for you know a month after launch or something like that i i i don't know i think that uh yeah i i think that it's not good i think it would just be fixed if they did it the right way i agree i think they should make the best effort they can make to keep things as they were in vanilla wow not not how we maybe realize things how not how we realize things should have been in hindsight or how we wish they would have been in hindsight but actually how it was in vanilla wow i think there should be a very good faith effort made to keep that intact yeah for sure um nixie do you have anything after that well not really i mean as i said earlier in the in the podcast uh when it came to classic wow i didn't really get to experience the true end game back in the day so i mean my thing with classic the in my perfect world i would like to see a completely recreated patch cycle i would legitimately like to be like dude like guys war song gulch next week yeah you know i want i want to be able to like have that experience but we talked about this when you were in london the whole like four patches now like you know syncing up with the modern wow expansion and stuff so it's not it's not really a subject i can comment too much on um this is more like your guys's question is you guys experience to the end game and all that more than i did so you have a lot more knowledge on that question yeah yeah i think i think that's good i think that's fine uh let's take a question from twitch chat uh here move away from twitter before we before we wrap it up here and move on to uh move on to the rest of stream and again guys after after the stream i'm going to be doing a i'm going to do a twitch bounty for like an hour and we'll have uh we'll have yet this ends will join and and hang out with us on stream for a little bit while we while we do whatever i think i think that'll be fun so uh there's a good question from tribe you've stated that you don't like the idea of pvp and at launch but you're also against having the system launching with bwl yes uh right now currently the the the current proposal is that the pvp system launches with bwl patch uh when do you feel is the ideal time to launch pvp especially when you consider that mark curran and john stat said that they intended to ship vinyl with pvp when you had them on classicast uh so i think like just because they have the intentions to ship with pvp doesn't necessarily mean that uh what was eventually the pvp what came to be the honor system and what pvp was was refined and and uh i mean you could argue that it was never really refined in vanilla right but it wasn't out the way that it was uh it didn't it sorry excuse me you know what i'm trying to say right it wasn't what it was going to be if they had come if they had brought it out on launch right i think that's a really poor argument uh uh i guess i i don't know who made the comment in chat so i think i think it's a poor argument because you could apply it to so many things would you want like they they rebalance classes they change spells they re-itemized weapons they added items to loot tables like how far can you extend that you could extend the argument to so many different things um i don't know like i i think as far as content release timeline should be kept as as in accordance with vanilla wow as as it can be i think that uh i think that basically if you have and let me explain why i think the way that i do i think whenever you have the pvp system in at launch with all the honor gear and everything with the private server meta and the retail vanilla and the wow classic meta being three different things in private server the gearing was a lot more linear whereas in retail vanilla like pvp gear was put in as an alternate way of playing your character and gearing up and playing the game uh whereas on private servers one of the honor system is put in from the very beginning people rush to 60 they they try and rank as fast as they can they go for rank 14 gear they get the rank 14 weapons as soon as they can and the gear progression pvp is like put into gear progression pvp gear is put into like the gear as part of the progression to be more linear as opposed to having different ways to do it right um like oh i want to pvp and i want to play pvp and i want to gear up my character like that or i want to do this and that and you can do both people could still do both in retail vanilla a lot of people did um but excuse me but you're moving away from options as opposed to um kind of having it more linear i think uh i think you know kind of the hit on the question i think the ideal time to release it would be a few months before blackwing lair maybe possibly if they were to do a uh i've talked about different ways to do the the phases they did six phases or seven phases i think if they if they wanted to put the pvp system in with dire mall right if they if they were to split this up right i'm really big we've been talking about this non-stop but i'm really really big on them increasing the amount of phases for the content release and putting pvp in maybe with dire mall or putting it in as its own thing right after dire mall before bwl patch uh so that people can start ranking up and getting on a gear in time for bwl uh i think that would be really good i think i think that would be a good way of doing it and by the way phased content release isn't something that's completely foreign this is something that even private service have done uh is doing phased content release but they might do like eight or nine phases as opposed to as opposed to uh four right or or six or seven or whatever it eventually will end up being hopefully it'll be more than four um yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i got i i saw a question from earlier um what are the plans for the next year of classic cast um that's good um nixium do you want to answer this maybe maybe get nixium on when you say you're gonna get them on yeah permanent member dude permanent dude permanent member dude these guys like they'll be like dude nixium you want to be on classy cast i'm like yeah and then let's do it and then like something happens and we're not able to do it so the waiting for classic cast waiting for classic as that's good i i think that uh we initially like a lot of people have asked us like oh like what's going to happen when our classic comes out right this this podcast isn't something that's necessarily uh we're planning on ending it whenever classic comes out it's not like uh like prelude to classic or whatever it's like a um it's something that we want to do we want to give out more information and once classic is actually out i what what i want to do i don't see some tips what you guys think i think it'd be good for us to go through and uh to actually give out information based on these patches that are coming out okay guys get ready for this patch this is what's happening i mean there's gonna be so much content yeah absolutely we're gonna be able to put out i think the classic cast is going to get better uh you know as we get an alpha a beta the full release like let's say black mingler comes out in three weeks okay let's have a deep dive into black mingler we can talk about strand we can talk about loot we can talk about what raid composition we can like whatever dude like and like yeah we could have those conversations now but they're just not as relevant uh as they will be if we do them uh in accordance with like stuff that's actually happening so i think it's gonna get way better did not that it's bad now it's great yeah we're gonna even repeat some episodes you know what classic cast needs to do i don't know if anybody remembers this but mr stay safe and mr tips out held these like cool dueling tournaments when the uh the classic wow demo came out of blizzcon classic cast needs to do more competitions more giveaways more things to like engage the community and classic cast needs to be right at the forefront of all that like we need more dueling turn we need a classic cast sponsored vanilla wow transmog competition you know what i mean that's right that's right no there there is some stuff we might we might be doing yeah we might be doing some more giveaways and stuff soon uh whenever like again i'm gonna post this on my youtube channel later and uh you know we might we might do a giveaway here for for the next classic cast or um something like that i might i might have a giveaway set up by the time uh by the time i post this on youtube and it'll last for a few weeks before we do that so i don't know we might we might do some fun stuff we might do some fun stuff um is there anything else you guys want to you guys want to touch on dude one year over a year actually of classic cast yeah how crazy is that i would never thought the show would have grown this much oh i was gonna tell the story right at the beginning of the stream but i never got the opportunity to oh we're going we're talking about the history of classic cast and uh i kind of remember but i i do remember some bits when these guys uh originally messaged me and they were like dude like hey nixie and we got this thing it's called classic cast like we want to be the first guest on it and i i i looked at like their channels and everything and i was like yeah like let's do it man because i saw there are a bunch of like classic pros and listen the classic community like like the classic community is just so cool and is composed of so many cool people whether they be content creators or just viewers fans like whatever it's just so cool like hanging out with you guys on nost back in the day was was incredible it was it was incredible hanging out with you guys and talking to you guys here on twitch and not just you know not just you know s fan to stay safe and then i'm gonna talk about you guys you guys watching has just been incredible like geeking out over classic you know nostalgic sharing stories you know making videos about classic for me has just been an absolute pleasure and so like it was just such a cool thing when we sat down to do the the the episode of classic cast the first one that i was in and ever since like i first did classic cast with you guys i've sort of like my horizon got expanded and i met so many other people that were interested in classic wow and i made like so many friends and i got more involved in just the classic community in general it was just really cool you know it's just it's just really cool so it's just uh it's been a wild ride with class thank you man but i've never i've never once regretted being on the show or you know that's good step one don't regret coming on the show with us no no i know i never regret it you guys are awesome um but yeah it's just it's just been a wild ride and i uh i appreciate that you guys you know invited me on all those all that time ago yeah for sure man thank you yeah no we appreciate you coming on like nixie was our first guest if you guys remember and like that was like when i felt like we were like a legitimate podcast at that point like you gave us a lot of like legitimacy and stuff like that and we really appreciate you coming out in chinglish too actually nixie and chinglish both yeah well the thing well the thing is as well that i uh very much enjoyed is um i i i've enjoyed the fact that like i say some things on the internet sometimes that people don't agree with when it comes to classic wow i have my opinions everyone's got their opinions but despite that you know it's just like it's just a united community and it's just it's just really cool like that's really all i want to say that's a lot thank you man thank you yeah so i still stand by what i say that's right all right hashtag no changes and that's no change that's right brother that's right that's not changing not one bit that's right so guys again thank you so much for joining us here for classic cast episode 22 our one-year anniversary episode asmongold he had to leave uh please follow him nixie him please follow him stay safe tv please follow him tips out uh please follow him as well we've got uh we got kind of like our main crew here on the bottom uh go follow him on twitter follow him on twitch youtube channels as well mine is down here below s-fan tv on every platform uh i'm not ending the stream i'm uh i'm gonna do a twitch bounty after this and like i said we'll have jethisons on uh at some point too we can talk to jethisons and just have a good time and um yeah just like we have been actually we have a good time for about a couple hours now so we'll keep doing that when's the next classic cast uh blizzard soon we went like five weeks or something without one right that was really bad we i would like i would like to go over two or three weeks it's a lot of it a lot of it depends yeah not tomorrow but a lot of it depends on how uh how much classic news we get so hopefully in the next two or three weeks so okay and then uh and then ideally in the future we'll do uh we'll do every week maybe by the time classic comes out once we get close so again thank you guys so much and we'll see you guys next time take care peace see you