 searching for Sugarman. Well, I pretty much set it up the other day when I was talking about that movie Danny Collins. This is more, you know, miracles are involuntary. So this whole movie is just showing that the wonder of how a miracle can spread and reach people we have never met and never even conceived of as Jesus says in the Course. So it's just one of these movies based on an actual story that's so fascinating. So a whole lot of them just enjoy. This is one of our, really enjoy this one. Yeah, that's quite amazing especially with that when you look at that Danny Collins movie too, how he got that letter from John Lennon. But this was almost like more the essence that so much wants to just be used and expressed but out any of the trappings of fame or anything that the world has to offer. That time when I got those two movies, you know, the game and then the man who knew too little and it was just striking the contrast in the game, you know, Michael Douglas's character is just fighting, fighting, fighting. The two movies are so similar in their basic setups but the other one, Bill Murray, is just so lighthearted and this was like, you can just see it, the Sugarman, he didn't really, he just expressed and let the poetry pour through him. I think you'd probably find the same if you went back to like, Rumi is really popular now but if you went back to the days of Rumi in his life, he just was expressing, just was very similar, like very poetic and very profound. And I think for all of us though it has huge ramifications because, you know, as you go about your daily life and your daily work and you're just extending what's in your heart, you know, it's really for the whole universe and the world doesn't see that. The world's like, you know, well, are you famous and what are the numbers and all the things and yet for us we feel such a richness in heart like he felt with his music, you know, just the look on his face and what were you doing? Demolition, you know, he was demolishing the ego in his simple ways of his construction jobs and those kind of things but he wasn't, there wasn't any kind of motive to make something happen and then the spirit just brought everything around, you know, it was kind of magical, miraculous, the way that everything kind of just, people were so touched they just wanted to stand there and scream even before he played, you know, they just want to pour their hearts out. I think that's, that is the the telltale sign of the miracle because I know when I would go around from place to place to place, first just reading the course, practicing the course and then just starting to accept invitations, I used to feel like, wow, this is the greatest job in the world. Everything opens up, people, their faces light up when you walk in, you've never met them, they've maybe read something on the internet or they've heard something like when I first went to Columbia, you know, it's like, I first went to Columbia, it was a sugarman kind of moment because it's like, it was all these hurricanes hitting Florida and my translator Susanna Ortiz, who's quite a popular Course in Miracles teacher nowadays online, but she came over from Canary Islands and I met her in the airport and the airports were packed because a lot of people from Latin America were trying to get out, to go back to Latin America because I think like three or four hurricanes had pounded Florida in that particular day and and we got on the plane and as soon as the plane took off, we got up, they announced that they close the Miami International Airport, we were like one of the last planes to get out of there and the whole Miami airport was shut down, we landed in Cali, Columbia and we were in there going through getting our bags and everything and she was having some delays and so I said well I'll just go and I'll wait out front so she was being questioned and they had people with guns and dogs sniffing the bags and everything and they were sniffing her bags so I said so I walked out of the doors of the Cali, Columbia Airport and there was this whole gang of people and it was a standing ovation, they were all standing and cheering and she was inside thinking what is going on out there and I saw all these people and they were all cheering and jumping up and down everything and I was looking and I thought maybe McCartney or somebody was thinking what is going on and as they were all doing that for me and then when they came out she walked out and they all rode for her and she was just like this was totally we were more like the sisters you know like maybe there'll be 20 people and people at the airport and then there were groupies and it was just the whole teachings had been translated into Spanish but it's the sign of the miracle it was just so heartfelt the spirit going before you and it was very very surreal going down like with him he'd never been to South Africa I'd never been to Cali, Columbia walking in there but but it's the spirit going before us and it's just great to think of it that's what all of this inner work that we're doing is it is going to have a it is having and will have a great tremendous splash and reverberation and reflection way beyond what we can see and way beyond what he could see but what a movie to show but he stepped out there wow and imagine walking into the first time where these these guys grew up playing and playing his music over and over and over wondering if they're you know that he was dead you can see how the ego fills in when it can't figure it out it just fills in he shot himself in the head he burned himself off it just gives the most horrendous thing and it had nothing to do with anything and then he shows up and they're right in the middle of a song and they just stop and he just they just stop saying he starts right in they're just almost like it's just like oh my god what is this it's yeah what a great movie yeah i love how he was so direct with his like with that message like what was coming like through like you can feel that it was absolutely unfiltered that he like he just he was coming out the way it's coming out and then it seemingly wasn't like popular in the state but yet it reached exactly for exactly for who it was in South Africa and then heard just that message of like it's okay encouraging it like the content of it just exactly as it is yeah and that's like again it's just so very deep it's just with this like non-compromising glaring just like staying with that glaring and then not even trying to look is it good is it accept accepted it's just yeah like whatever truly you know yeah and the presence to that because it seems like i mean i love it when the interviews were trying to ask and trying to figure the whole thing out and they just could not figure it out from him and and when you see his face and you hear the feel the presence coming you don't get the sense that he thought that he had a hard life and you don't get the sense that that when they were trying to say oh don't you feel terrible almost like the hypothetical where you could have had this amazing life and and this this movie is from some years ago i remember i remember the first i think i was out here when we got here in uh utah when we first saw it and i think i googled rodriguez and um he was here and saw late city playing a concert and i was just like because it was you see how it brought it brought it home and he that was all the movie you know he went back there and played these concerts and everything and then he goes it kind of gives you the impression everything but when searching for sugar man came out that just brought it all out and all the people became aware of that and i think could feel the thing so there he was i think he was over at some i don't know if was uh somewhere over in temple square or wherever they i've been to some concerts over there myself but he was there he was i was like looking on everyone my gosh he's he's right there in south like city so it it you know it was able to as soon as the timing was right he was able to it wasn't that it was not there wasn't a rightness for it in the united states it was just the timing because the movie the way they did the movie and it came out that just just stirred up a whole new thing almost like the parallel like it's a quantum movie and there is different quantum effects and there was he was so easy going from his life in detroit down there even the his children people to travel with and they couldn't believe they thought he would be overwhelmed or astonished you know to not be playing these tiny little dives and you know misty smoky bars to thousands and tens of thousands of people yeah and it and even for people in our ministry that think about doing touring and speaking in public speaking and speaking in front of crowds you know you this is this movie is the Holy Spirit's answer like oh please jesus is saying please don't is that i'm the one who's going to do it anyway so why are you concerned about how many people are listening or or how many people are at the event because it doesn't have anything to do with with people the presence when he walked on that stage yeah people felt the love that came out of 2012 at Sundance and it was the hate of it everybody's walking around going did you see sugar man and then they'd say oh what's about they could no no no just go see it like everyone was just electric but refusing again to say what was about you just have to go see it like this vibe it was electric the place is electric with it yeah yeah i kind of bet the sense he was being protected because if he would have gone during a part eight he would have been the symbol that they'd all try to attack yeah oh yeah just the music went but this mysterious they didn't have anybody to shut down scratching the records and doing all their things but the spirit was at work behind all of it oh my gosh yeah yeah yeah that's interesting that that gives me when you said happy dream because i'm that's the first kind of retreat i have scheduled for next year after after a pause here in the winter is in around the 9th or 10th of february is a happy dream retreat right out there in ellie pacific pal say hollywood and i was thinking huh i could show that could show that out there i could show searching for sugar man and use that as the the teaching device because you know the pictures worth a thousand words and a movie like this it's just it's absolutely spectacular teaching device especially in the contrast of hollywood and the people i'm presenting with are my friends maria philippe and and um bridgett are both like models and and so it's this whole thing of being in front of the camera and all the focus on glamour and the body and everything and they're very good course america's teachers but a movie like this too is such a you know it's just it's so deep it makes you just pause and breathe in and go whoa that this should be last yeah yeah all of it's like foreign like rich in spirit i think that's the thing because a lot of a lot of course and miracles teachers i think if you even go through the course teachers you know a lot of them like marianne and everything who who had a huge role in introducing it and oprah played a part of that and this and this and this but i remember sitting with having dinner with judy sketch and we're telling that story that about how many people is the course four and when she asked how and how many books to publish how and said four and she said 40 000 four four four thousand four like four you know it was judy couldn't process the answer and how and did share at one point that that for the entire first generation of people that work with the course the entire first generation of what we would call a lifetime of maybe 70 or 80 years that for that first generation that the course was four a number of people that you could count on both hands in the entire first generation that's how many people would experience of course the miracles yeah it's really that's what this message was kind of movies showing too that that that jesus says this course will be believed entirely or not at all so and and ken had had said that to judy about um he said to judy you know we're plan b jesus says we're plan b and she says i don't like the sound of that plan b whether i mean all that we're doing with translating the course and publishing the course and disseminating the course and ken said yeah yep and teaching the course like ken was conceptually and lecturers and so forth he said yeah we're all plan b he said there the plan a is living it and there there was a vision that helen had of of a group of people that would actually live the course and she saw it kind of as a vision as like a place in greece and so on and so forth and and he said yeah that's plan a plan a is living it and so everything that we do it like our community call today was really getting down to the core of wow this is all just a backdrop for going into an experience it's all the things and the people and the writings and the translations and the transmissions and everything that may even seem important in the course of a lifetime you know is that's still the backdrop it's actually just about an experience and really nothing more it's a tweak in the mind it's this little tiny little tweak from from ego over to spirit and all of everything else that seems to be so blown up and important has no validity no reality whatsoever you could really see it in this movie he he was just he was integrous he he went along you could see when they first found him you know he just had this look on his face like you know trying to get say the hypothetical wouldn't your whole life would be different if he's no no he wasn't buying it life would be different if circumstances had been different that's that's the great lie and it wasn't it didn't anything different no you could feel that in presence you know when when you go to a concert or you go to a satsang or teaching or a gathering and you feel that deep love and presence and it you know it doesn't really have anything to do with with the setting or the people or the the numbers of people or whatever it's almost like the ego has generated its own sense of a buzz like when people go to sports stadiums and fill up they they feel like a buzz like an electric bus of being a huge sports stadium and rooting for a team and doing the wave and doing all those kind of things that there's the ego is trying to reach something but but it's not really anything like that it's not the buzz you know and then you you see people who who go through all these tremendous sports feats right now for all this stuff much much younger watching the olympics and the was it the triathletes and all the different ones at bruce Jenner winning you know the gold all these gold medals and years later transgender and operations and all these projections of onto oh my how dare him you know turn into a woman and all this craziness and everything it just the the whole world is just a distorted lens of looking for meaning where there is none and then you see a movie like this and it's like oh the grace just comes through the ease comes through his songs just so simple very in fact his daughter use it how's he live now very very very very simple life just the basics yeah i remember when i look around this room i remember one day lisa and i went out to furnish this entire wing of the peacehouse in one afternoon and we took off and we walked into this store and we'll say we'll take these kind of chairs we'll take seven of those and we'll take these and we're just walking through going through and having a ball pointing pointing pointing pointing at the end they were given had a special running where they were giving away movies dvds and they had all these different movies there and i said oh how many movies we get it was like something like well you bought so much you get like 17 dvds movies as a gift i'll take it i said i'll take 17 of the same movie this one they're like what what do you want with 17 of the same movie this time traveler's life i said it's oh this one's so good i have to give this away to all my friends but i remember it got to be so late that we got back to the house we pulled up out front there you know about 11 o'clock and some people had we've gone to bed or whatever we came in okay let's go we're gonna empty that we got stuff to move in it was like 11 o'clock at night and then uh yeah it was so sweet and he just had such a reaction when we brought these in he said can you people lost your mind what are you doing but it was all it all was quick and here we are years later when was that i don't even know what you're we're we're still using these chairs having all these calls watching our movies but it just seemed you know like surreal getting these poofy kind of movie chairs and it's like what are you this is jesus having fun i mean he knows exactly what's coming and and what's helpful and necessary but it just doesn't fit into any boxes just amazing i think eric is like our he's our sugar man he's he's channeled the spirit and all of his songs and even this the content is not that that different from it you know about trying to overcome the darkness and some remote part of the universe there's this huge you've got an alternative so it's right just you're playing the four like massive crowds it bigger than the Beatles bigger than anything and they're all just like tonight it's not it's like share they don't have your like archbold it's just eric they don't even need the archbold point tonight eric everybody's like they're getting there early enchanting then you come out and sing a piece of mine they all they all sing along they know every word because it's because it's all it resonates with it's it's all just like these parallel universes and it's so deep and it's so touching but you know it has to be in the context of where the jesus always prefaced everything he said with for those who have the ears to hear let them hear it was like he was speaking for all eternity he was speaking beyond time he was speaking in for all the universes you know on a stage for all the universes of transcendence of this whole cosmos and so it's just kind of interesting it's like eric in this particular room eric's music is virtually unknown and donald trump is president of the united states and and we are that's kind of fun that we're here we've found each other and we're in we we're in wacky land i mean we we have seemingly manifested in in total wacky land where we resonate we oh oh we listen to eric's music like sugarman over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and then we turn on the tv and he goes pinch me what where am i we're a billionaire billionaire with vulgar language and all kinds of things and totally outrageous is the president of the united states and and eric's music is unknown like what where will we land it what is this what is this strange strange strange place but yet we're having we we're like sugarman we're having fun because we're we don't have to try to fit into this strange place we don't even really have to try to relate to it actually because it's all coming from our hearts it's it's moving through us and but there's no reference point you know to it where jesus says that this world is backwards and upside down so i guess what would you expect from seeming to find yourself in an impossible situation i remember that time early on when christin we were talking and you were just reading the you sometimes you read the course and you'd get your eyes get real big and come over and he says it's an impossible situation this world is an impossible situation i'm just like and that imagine finding yourself in an impossible situation and then a little bit like like alice and wonderland like going down the rabbit hole and then finding yourself in a very very strange world where everything was distorted and being completely disoriented and yet having having a journey to make were you know in the wizard of us you know dorthy leaving kansas and going to a very different world than kansas with munchkins and flying monkeys and a witch with green face and a big nose i remember when we were kids we just were like we were just horrified it was tough to go to sleep at night after hearing leave the light on you know we would just be just shocking portrayals of fear like how do you show this movie to children damaging us for life you know and anything like this but but yet we made it through we did make it through and it was a dorthy it was like that was going to be the story of our life we would we would find ourselves in a very strange land very disoriented wanting to go home and happy to be meeting some people along the way that would journey with us on that journey finally right right even if his straw is falling out and the characters the lion is so afraid that tail is going around it takes courage courage you know he needs courage because he's a fearful lion and the tin man who was so closed up with his emotions and everything and he just would he would just freeze up a scarecrow with all this straw thrown out all over the road it's very descriptive of the human condition and dorthy and it's interesting when when i was down in australia i guess some of you got to hear the mudgy one of the one of the events sings somewhere over the rainbow did you get this that was amazing sounded like her it sounded it's funny that story's been with us ever since we were children yeah story of awakening yeah you had it all along yeah it manifested for us you know it's you can really see that no matter how thick the ego's fog has been and it took 2000 years for Jesus to get the course into this realm after he appeared 2000 years ago but but actually when you start to listen to the music and what i look at the movies the signs and symbols are all around us you know you really can't miss it like it's even though the ego's fog has been thick the light is just streaming through and it's not very subtle it's actually pretty you really look at all of it you that's what the movie watchers guide your life when you bring it all together if we do this music lovers guide your life or we bring it all together it's going to be overwhelming i think for anyone who just gives themselves over to it and starts to see all the connections all the dots connected like wow it's there all along we were being serenaded we were being taken to the movies we didn't even fully understand it at the time but now it starts to be amazingly clear it reminds me a bit of rules for decision too where Jesus does say at one point it's it's he's got his first two of rules for decision decide the kind of day you want and say to yourself if i make no decisions by myself this is the day that will be given me and then he does bring in that it's easier to have a happy day if you really if you really stay with the first two it's when you slip off that it's harder to get back and that's what that danny collins movie you know it's like he danny collins has gone down and he's been tempted by the ego and he's he's got himself into drugs and oblivion he's just his living situation his whole life he's totally disconnected and out of touch and he's gone down and he's he's needing all all seven rules of decision even though we've been told it's gonna it's harder to get back and he he's certainly that's what the movie was he was he was following the signs reconnecting with his son you know facing the things he had to face and and having maybe that one relapse but that's kind of a take heart movie like don't give up you can always turn it around but this movie is like showing the precious jewel of if you can if you can just come into your function then you're there and you don't have to come back you don't have to wish that the circumstances of the world will change that will get better politicians or will save the mother earth and save the environment and will save this and save that oh that's just a distraction from accepting the the function he Jesus even has a work request and my happiness and my function are one he says they're actually identical your happiness is your function it's nothing to do with circumstances and that's really what that movie we just watched shows that he was the same regardless of the circumstances you could see it on his face he was unaffected he was he was happy and delighted and he did have that home feeling but I didn't get the sense that he was discontent in Detroit at all you know it wasn't like he was had to go make some voyage and go to a place to find his long lost you know family or whatever was like he had it all along and that that's quite a teaching I think that's part of that shift too where we're going from years of exposing and meshing of teeth and all this darkness coming up and people screaming and shouting and throwing stuff and it was craziness when people try to go for God and live in community then it's like the insanity shows it so and and it's kind of like Jesus is kind of well yeah that was all you know it don't judge any of it but now I have something for you I we're going for we're going for the higher experience of actual forgiveness now that was the preliminaries was clearing like now this is it this is what I need you for and with the same precision like in the Bourne movies you know like yeah do this do only that like you were emphasizing that's the most direct path is do only that it's it's when an eastern journey is is pretty much netting netting not this not that it's a lot of elimination and then Jesus's path is do only that and I will direct you I will guide you this is the shortcut this is the fast track don't even be tempted to go back to netting netting and and he does say in the course that you you know can God be reached directly and can you go right to truth it is a a sense of it's not necessary to seek for the truth but it is necessary to seek for the everything that is false which is kind of the netting netting peeling thing but but he's really calling us into a function saying if you have the ears to hear this then we can save thousands of years for everyone if you just link up with me like hold on to me remember when the very first big big-time production of Superman came out with Margot Kidder and Christopher Reeves and they're up and they're talking on the top of the skyscraper building and he's he kind of takes her and he he he grabs her and holds her and takes her out he doesn't like fly off he just kind of goes steps out into the air and she's oh oh they're just up in the air he's not like fine he's just holding her and he's oh oh he's she says uh he says don't worry I've got you and she says who's got you that's the famous black like who's got you but that's the whole thing it's like Jesus is gently saying I've got you I've got you become don't worry this is a this is a done deal I've got you and yet the mind when it's frightened is but who's got you and Jesus like God's got me that's why I'm so calm God's got me I've got you you've got no worries can you just trust that you're held you know you don't we don't have to question who's got you you know yeah how beautiful just the trust that demonstration of Rodriguez the ego had no power over him like he gave his faith was not in the world and when he was asked about the that hypothetical question he said well the music industry like he literally said I don't have any expectations of it you never know what's going to happen with it it was powerful like his faith was not in the world and so it couldn't let him down and so we ever played out even though he seemed to be ripped off you know the money regards to him it's not his concern what plays out in the ego's world was not his concern at all he was just doing his part that was given of the spirit just to stay with his with himself yeah his inspiration where is tuxedo to his demolition job and just be a shining light yeah yeah you can see that you can see that with him and the daughter had just a little bit of like somebody made money and the thing was so beautiful was even Clarence who Clarence made a lot of money and this was easy money this wasn't managing and doing all the hassles but I think Clarence had easy money and he got a little flustered there but the beautiful thing was when he started off they just mentioned the name Rodriguez and he's like yeah he's my man and and even for Clarence I think he felt a deep connection with Rodriguez he felt the deep meaning in the lyrics like how and he was almost like he was a symbol of beyond the music industry there is a power and so even for Clarence who made all his money he adored Rodriguez he wasn't thinking I'm ripping off he just didn't question the money was coming in big time it was rolling and rolling in and all these other stars that he worked with and everything he he had the same thing but through contracts and they were out working hard and performing and then there's this mystery Rodriguez money that just keeps showing up from South Africa but I could just feel the grace in all of it how Jesus is behind everything he doesn't perceive that it's possible for someone to be taken advantage of at all beware of the temptation to perceive yourself unfairly treated you know because you're trying to to make something that's not even there you're just you're just binding yourself into illusions and so that was all perfect too you know everything was perfect his attitude was the demonstration it you know it's not like one of those kind of stories where somebody's been done wrong and then at the end there's the big formula in the end where Rodriguez gets the mansion he always deserved and the payback of all the funds that were stolen from him that's the world's formula for a happy ending this is a happiness beyond beginnings and endings there there was no need for that and with all this going on right now those protests you know up in Dakota North Dakota and all around the world people fighting for minorities fighting for women's rights fighting for the rights of the native aborigine and all this fighting over the rights thing I remember there was one point where I was kind of asking Jesus about you know the constitution of the United States of these inalienable rights that we were given God given inalienable rights and and that all men are created equal and he said no you actually have no rights in this world you know that who you are stands like a shining star in eternity and that's your birthright that's your only right is your birthright that God created you perfect that's your right you have no human rights there's never been human rights violations there's never been a single human rights violation why because humans don't have any rights their constructs their bodies the ego projected the body and it projected the private minds and private thoughts it projected the rights and all the civil disobedience and all the things that Gandhi was going for and Martin Luther King and all of our heroes that Marianne loved so much and was in this nada who don't even have any reality because because God creates a spirit and only spirit is real and everything else has never happened and so that's what we're coming into that's the the peace of God I grew up you know in 10 years of university I went to all the different classes and of course I you know I lived in the decade right after the 60s so I started looking into things like social justice and all those kind of social justice issues and everything and Jesus has a section in the course that really gives addresses that and the name of this section is the justice of heaven and in that that section Jesus comes out and says there is no justice in this world oh my god he's just wiped out the entire history of the world wiped out social justice marches for peace all the demonstrations all the things that are going on now where the shooting water hoses on people in sub zero temperatures up in North Dakota and for a pipeline to come and pump oil down all these things our friend Shailene Woodley is up there with red on her face and all wrapped up in this and this all of it goes in forgiveness when you just have one instant of realizing accepting what Jesus says that there is no justice in this world and even titles it the justice of heaven that heaven awaits for you heaven is your right heaven is your birthright heaven is your inheritance and heaven is spirit and nothing but that is any reality whatsoever that's amazing somebody had come up to Mother Teresa and said there is no such thing as justice in this world there's no different between the rich or the poor she might have peed in her pants because but that's the message of Jesus you know that is literally where her heart was and her heart was heading she she wanted to see the face of Christ in everyone that she pulled off the street and everyone she met and by golly that's it that all it takes is a recognition in the mind of of what's real and true which the Holy Spirit provides and also what's false so that you don't invest your time and energy trying to to heal what isn't real you cannot heal what isn't real you can't heal the body you can't heal interpersonal relationships you can't heal the planet you don't have to heal the environment you don't have to worry about animal populations that are going extinct because they can't go extinct they never they never were created in the first place how can they go it's extinct you know you see there's no cause that is worthy of your mind except atonement except correction he's talking to someone the other day and they were saying yes it's it's amazing we have the power to create and we have the power to destroy no actually we don't have the power to destroy even those teachings that go higher and higher than say well it's your choice you can you can be an agent of love or an agent of fear well actually in the end you have to start to realize that that is no choice at all it never could have been a choice that was sponsored by God because God doesn't even know of choice but to come to that place of right-mindedness where you see that my gosh there never was a mistake there never was a mistake that's what the healing is is that's what the healing is is is coming back in touch with that the truth not nothing in terms of form like that's is it true is it true is it true on amazon that's my favorite because you pointed out that the titles of gary's books like are a series of like steps just three simple steps after the disappearance comes your immortal reality yeah yeah and i thought i didn't even realize that i loved gary's book yeah just the titles for someone who doesn't even crack the book i like you cannot heal what is not real i'm sorry if you ever pick that one up real quick things just freeze the mind of me initially it was because i studied being rigged as a hacker like just right now it's a spiritual like it was all online so some of my roommate was getting upset that i didn't vote she's like you don't care about social issues you don't care about i'm like i don't know how to explain it she's spiritual so she's always duality and things i'm like i honestly don't think i can explain it i had the hardest time trying to simultaneously remember the principles of the course and realize that she simply couldn't understand it and i almost felt that i did feel that because that's like no one just tells the one you can't understand me it's like saying you're too stupid but it's like that's not what i'm saying like literally you need years of training your mind but yeah it was interesting now you've got a line cannot heal what is not real yeah it's good to think that there are no right or wrongs in the world at all and and i like that line in the course where jesus is what you do comes from what you think so if you just allow your mind to soar up into the the right-mindedness which is right-minded thinking thinking with god then the whole idea of voting becomes impossible it's kind of like that movie what the bleep do we know down the rabbit hole where they they're talking to this physicist and he says something and what is it what is the question is what is the status the marital status of the number five i think that's what voting is it's it's trying to make sense of what is the marital status of the number five and then the physicist goes the number five doesn't have a marital status and when we look at the human construct once you accept the personality the person is real you've just accepted a contradiction beyond measure that that suddenly you know if spirit is all that there is the person with a private mind private thoughts and choice personal choice which is essential to elections or all these assumptions that come in and so to the angels voting is hilarious it's absolutely hilarious because they know that you can't vote that's what the big joke is there did you hear about the election they go they don't even have to hear about who won or lost they laugh at the thought of an election because that's all fabricated choice there is no choice in oneness there is no choice in heaven but choice itself is is a fabrication but then jesus will take that fabrication and say actually that's how we're going to get back that's why he's got right mind and wrong mind throughout the whole book he's taking it off the form of trump versus hillary or whatever to right mind wrong mind so he's saying oh we must work with what you believe you believe in duality so now even one of his course workbook lessons is heaven is the decision that i must make heaven is not really a decision the angels laugh at that one too you know because they know it's just a state of mind it's not a decision but for the mind that's asleep and dreaming and believes in duality heaven is the decision that i must make you see how he's very clear he's a ton of man is the needle in the haystack and he's saying we're going to find this together and and you surely will and then you'll wake up from the dream so i think that's what i think deanna and susan did in their election thing was more about bringing chasing it back to let's look where decision really is and put your mind's energy on on the right mind wrong mind on that discernment is a good use of your mind's energy and debating if you're going to vote for hypothetical this hypothetical trump or hypothetical hillary and all the arguments and justifications and everything they are all part of a defense actually against the acceptance of what is and there will come a point where if somebody comes to you and they just have an open mind and they and they go steve i just don't i don't get this like why don't you vote i don't i don't get it i want to understand and then the words will be given just like you notice great teachers like buyer and katie they don't back down from questions they she will come back with is it so and what what do you believe well somebody may say well i believe hillary's the better candidate and these are my reasons or i believe i'm a vegetarian for these reasons or i believe whatever they say they believe and then the great teacher will come and just say oh okay thank you for sharing that is it so let's really look closely and deeply and that's what i did with the early students in the early 1990s we would come around like we're do here and everybody would say what's on their heart and this is what's troubling me this is what's bothering me i'm struggling with this i'm challenged with that good let's start with that and then is it so is that really so i mean we would spend hours going into one topic or one issue with somebody had a real a real charge or a real burning passion like i need to know but this is really bothering me and so everybody in the whole group would we would all go into it together let's you know whether it was with ronda had children and concern over health issues with the children or i know it was concerned with we had children in the community back then but it was on which tv shows to watch and her husband did not study the course tom and he would say he would kind of hear bits and pieces of the course and so he would say to his wife they can watch whatever they want because it doesn't matter don't you know don't you listen to david in the course he'd go lesson number one ronda nothing i see means anything and they would sit sometimes in front of really violent things and sit mesmerized watching the things these violent cartoons or violent shows and everything and she said something intuitively me in me does not feel that that's the best thing for our children to sit there like like marshmallows glued to a tv watching anything and you're quoting lesson number one from the course is not sitting well with me and i do not feel that's the best for them and i want to explore this with david so we would spend hours taking it into the mind what are all the beliefs she was stirred up and he was a bit uncomfortable he wanted to have a quick answer like let them watch whatever they want it's just an illusion and come on lesson one nothing i see means anything but it didn't wasn't sitting with her she didn't intuitively feel that was the thing so we would work it in work it in work it in to the point where i used the whole situation as a way to foster them to start to talk more openly and directly about what they were feeling and what they were thinking what they were believing to get in touch authentically with what it is they were believing and that's where the healing comes in in the end people have to be given the permission to start this it doesn't feel right this feels awkward he was not really in touch with his feelings but he he was he was a bit overwhelmed i think with the children and and he had his job and his career and and parenting on top of everything was a bit too much so it was like just let them watch whatever they want you know and a kind of a push away and she was intuitively feeling wasn't right so that's that's the whole point as we go into these things to make it to the point where you just are so in tune with spirit that if there's anything to answer and if someone's truly asking if they really have it's really the sincere question they have to really come with i don't get it steve and and you're getting in touch with what it is too which is important yeah a slight slight defensiveness will do will block the holy spirit from coming okay looks like it's bedtime so beautiful thank you curl up thank you that was fun thank you over the holidays we'll stay open to the movies that one just point was as soon as i watched dandy columns that was just like i kept searching there's something in there searching for such searching for sugarman oh yeah oh yeah now i've got an idea i'll have to see if i get a slot for a movie at that happy dream retreat that would be great movie in fact i'm supposed to show a movie here in utah at the easter retreat so i have to really see what what is going to be the most impactful on resurrection is the easter retreat what what's the most helpful the most impactful movie to show at an easter retreat because they've got me slotted not to speak at all but to do a saturday night movie gathering over it so large bring it home we'll talk about time's end and after yeah after that retreat at susan said our going deeper retreat at the monastery is catching fire filling up so that'll be a good team effort to let the people descend on our monastery with a title going deeper hmm after resurrection easter sunday going deeper what could that be good night christin um you know we have to come up with a humdinger of a movie thank you all that's been a great thanksgiving