 Good morning to you, friends, for joining us on the breakfast, on the show this morning. The leader of the indigenous people of Biafra, Mambukana, drops the federal government to court of appeal to challenge the amended seven charges on terrorism granted by Justice Gintanyako of a federal high court in Abuja. Also on the breakfast, President Mohammed Buhari downplace claims he has a favoured candidate for 2023 elections, saying he will hand over to whoever Nigerians elect. And like always we won't be reviewing all the major stories making headlines across national dally, dailies. Friends who are staying with us on the breakfast, I am Justin Akadone. And I am Messi Vokosko to have you join us this morning. All right, today is still a holiday for all Nigerians, or most Nigerians as it is. I trust that you're having yourself a relaxed time. How are the holidays for you? How was yesterday? I trust you're going to have a wonderful day today. It is a rested one for most people, but we're here to bring you up to speed with all the latest information. And these are making the round to cross Niger and of course across the world. We're just light over straight to top trend. And we're all aware of the Butimita incident that happened on a late Sunday night. And even as it's yesterday, there were still ongoing efforts to rescue victims. And from what we have, of the figures we are getting, about 24 rescued and 10 people were suspected to have that. You know who talked about this yesterday, Messi? Yes, we talked about it. It's unfortunate that you have the real currents every other time. I mean, it's been happening across the entire country. But if it's like legacy, it might just be topping the chart. You know, if you want to calculate and look at the statistics in terms of buildings that are collapsing. Then you ask yourself, have we learned anything at the end of the day? No, it doesn't look like we've actually learned anything. As much as a lot of people say that that building has existed for a lot of time, so it's not a new building. But the point is, are we even learning? What are we doing? And the most shocking is that the president, I mean, putting out his condolence message across, you know, almost sympathizing with families that have lost their loved ones and feeling sorry and whatever you, which I think is just part of, you know, it's just part of the game. It's usually, you know, part of the presidential, it's protocol. So the president has to put a speech, but does he really mean it? And then in the end, you also have part of that speech saying the president lamented the embarrassing, frequent building collapse in the country. I mean, really? Really? How does that even solve a problem? I think you would say that it is not within the poor view of the president. But it just shows you the mindset of, you know, the elites, those who are really, I'm sure that every other person feels, oh, we are so sorry. We are so sorry every other time. It is not rocket science. We know the reason why a building collapse at different points. There are a lot of, you know, reasons why you have building collapsing, right? So for every building that collapse, it's just generally universal. They're just basic answers to why you have some of this building collapse. And so you would probably have, it could be an issue of, because at this point in time, we know investigation will go on. Of course, the legal state government and the relevant authorities will come up and say, oh, we're going to investigate. I mean, I'm just predicting, and these things would definitely happen. And that's what it is. So we find out, oh, why did it collapse? But generally, because there's a process, so you can tell, if you don't follow the process, then you know where you're going to end. Faulty designs, bad workmanship, if you want to say. You also have issue of foundation failure, low quality materials. You have a lot of people do that and corruption where you have people trying to bypass your officials who are supposed to inspect. So if you have, and then you begin to ask yourself, what's the essence of governance? As much as we can't, I mean, we can't take our government out of the equation because government is there to ensure that things are done properly. Govern, that's the essence of governance or government at the end of the day. So if you have approvals for building, do we do the need for? We have bodies that have been set aside. And so they're supposed to be, before a building is erected, they're supposed to be a collaboration. The state has a body that will collaborate and find out if they meet the basic, you know, requirements. Do they have them meted? And then you're also going to monitor the entire process until the building becomes fully, a full structure at the end of the day. So do we follow all of this process? It's a question that we ask, right? It's a question that needs to be asked. So it's sadding that, you know, the president would say that he's lamenting the frequency, you know, the frequency building collapse in the country as much as we're not going to target to him, but it just shows you the mindset. Nobody really cares. People are dying. People die for no reason. But we need to be responsible. It is not entirely on the government. Like we mentioned yesterday, we talked about it. Those who are contractors are also human beings. You live in the same space, so we need to be guided. We need to have a self-compass. Apart from having the fact that government has to monitor you, but you also need to think for yourself. Yes, I was going to say that because their responsibility is not just on the shoulders of government alone. Individuals are contractors. People who have plans going into real estate, directing buildings have so much to do. There's a lot of time to talk about if people have done their due diligence and location, soil samples, the soil test and all that has to be done. Because sometimes they are approvals given for different types of locations and different soil tests that have been carried out on specific areas. For instance, if maybe you live somewhere that's a big waterlog, there's some specific that you need to do when you're laying your foundation so that the building doesn't just give way after time. Most people should do when they want to erect a building, not just to buy properties, maybe off of a jaggle, off of a grotto. They should do proper soil testing. Aside from all of that, sometimes there's an agency in Lagos which is actually in charge of building control. It's called Alaska, so Lagos State Building Control Agency. Most times you see some buildings marked X. Overtime, if you check the reasons for those marks and those X's put on those buildings, it's as a result of the fact that over time, when they've been given approval to build a particular structure on a particular location, the contractors or the owners oftentimes go back and do some other stuff on it. That might give you three buildings, maybe a three-storey building, at the end of the standard. But Justin, that's why we keep talking about governance and government. That's why government exists. And that's why you have these agencies that have been set up. You have government agents. The essence is to monitor. So it's okay to say you have a policy, but you also need to, when people submit proposals or a contract, they should be monitoring to ensure that... There's some people, but the fact is that... So that's why the corruption... Should we even wait for... Corruption also set in a good... Should we even wait for government to tell us the right thing to do? Because at the end of the day, we know we've been given this approval. Why go ahead and start building much or more than that? Because at the end of the day, it will give way. And you'll die. So it's a strata now. So we're saying that if we failed it, let's say the contractors actually failed. The fact that you expect that your human compass should guide you. You're human being, first of all. And I always say that before we are anything, whether we're your man or woman, whether you're a CEO, you're a governor, you're human being before whatever it is that comes, right? So you also need to consider that. For some people who do not have the moral compass to say, oh, this is not right, whatever it is I'm going to do, I have to do it right and all of that, that has actually failed. So we say that's why you have a system to check the excesses. So if we have agencies of government who should ensure that when you have a building proposal, who gives approval? I'm not even sure we're ready for this conversation. Because if you move around, I see that we're just a disaster waiting to happen. Have you also looked at the fact that you have houses that are in the middle of filling stations and gas stations? You have all of that. Have you ever thought about it? I have seen that. We're just waiting to happen. We will blow up someday. But you ask yourself who gives the approval. That's the thing. Sometimes initially, those areas might not even be marked for commercial purpose. It might just be maybe residential. At the end of the day, you now find filling stations and all that commercial activity springing up in that area. And the original plan was not that. I've had to cover a protest sometime around the week some two, three years ago. The residents were actually complaining that there was a filling station and a gas turbine just with veil. I have seen a popular church in the middle of, so you have like, there's a filling station and then there's another thing. So you have the church in the middle. And I'm saying, let's not get to the point of saying, which is, and we as demons have come again. Because we cannot continue to do the same thing over time and then expect a different result. And then there's always a human part to every miracle. That's it. So you don't want to die. What are you doing? Why are we doing this? Even with schools. So it just shows you that if the human compass fails, that's why you have the government. That's why you have this issue. And these agencies of government, of government, you have salaries, they are location to it at the state level. People are being paid, right? So what are you doing? You should follow through. So if you say this is what you're going to do, the approval was for three-storey building, then there should be monitoring and ensuring that there's compliance. And in a state where there's no compliance, then you shut it down. There's enforcement coming. Yeah, coming. But of course, the issue of corruption would come in. So you have people trying to bribe their way so that these agencies or those who are working there would look away. We have a long way to go. We can't constantly behave like this. And now it's becoming a norm. So if somebody dies, it's not a problem. Oh, building has collapsed. 24 people are dead. Or we have rescued 24. And then how many persons? Do we know how many persons were there? And so those people, oh, no, it's okay. And then the government will come out and say, we're lamented. We're so sorry. Really? I think we need to do better. I've got a statement afterwards. And we'll move away from that one. Nigeria, FIFA, Senegal and some other countries are actually in the news. But let's just bring it closer home. FIFA has, why are you laughing, Mercy? No, because... Remember that particular story? But now we've been fined 64 million. Yes, 64. For unruly conduct. I think if you look at it, 154,000 million. Okay. Yeah, it would be 54,000 million. But we're actually supposed to pay 64 million. So not in the Nigerian currency. So we're looking at 154,000 dollars. Well, if I have to check... Let me just see if I can give a background to that particular story. FIFA has... That's Swiss France. For Swiss France. Yes, yes. So let's just go to the... 64, okay. So we'll stay with that. I was trying to be... I was talking to Swiss France and the US dollars and euros and pounds. But FIFA has ordered Senegal and Nigeria to play one match behind closed doors. After crowd disordered during last month's 2022 World Cup playoffs, I recall that fans shown laser pointers at Egypt, Captain Mohammed Saleh, as he missed in the penalty shootout won by Senegal in the second leg in Dhaka. Senegal will find that 175,000 Swiss francs over several incidents including a peach invasion, an offensive banner, and for failing to ensure that law and order are maintained in the stadium. But for Nigeria, it was he to throw one game stadium closer and find 150,000 Swiss francs after fans invaded Peach in Abuja following their World Cup play of defeat against Ghana. I'm happy to guarantee that that happened. No, you can actually look at it now. If you don't remember, you can look at it. I mean, look at that. Look at the visuals. Everywhere just went amok and everything was just alright that day. Justin, it's just... We have been fined. Justin, it's unfortunate that we have to pay this. 64 million we're talking about right here. It's a lot. I'm sure that we probably would have channeled... Watch, people pay 100 million to get personal tickets. I understand. But that's a lot at the time where we're grappling with a lot of stuff. Yes, true. I agree with you. We are probably struggling and I'm not sure that we're being very honest. But, you know, the conversations that have been reacting different... I mean, getting different reactions in different spaces would be, oh, you know, we have the money because people would have to... I mean, an individual will cough out 100 million to get a ticket to become... to become the president of the country. So, there's a lot of money on ground. But let's also look at it in this other fact. Misconduct, fans' misconduct. That's what the government is going to pay for. And, you know, the responsibility of government would be protection of lives and property. And also, you have the police ensuring that there's, you know, peace, maintaining peace and order in the country. So, at the end of the day, it just shows you that the government is going to pay for failing to govern. Simple. Yes. The government is going to pay for the misconduct of people who should be responsible. I mean, look at that. So, the government has a role to play. You're respected. I mean, it's respected. The essence of government exists is that lives and property should be protected. And so, you have the police to ensure that, you know, there's maintaining law and order. And so, law and order was not respected. I would have been disappointed if FIFA didn't come up with this. So, we anticipated that it should be. Some people were saying... Exactly, because we have not been able to put our act together. Now, and it's unfortunate that we have failed as a people, and that's why the failure to ensure that the peace and order has led us to paying 64 million. That would have been... I mean, just imagine what 64 million can do for us as a country. We will have to pay it. Otherwise, you know, face being not part of the games entirely. Some people were saying, oh, it's rash. You know, FIFA should have considered just probably banning us. Not being part of the game. But it is a national embarrassment, if you ask me. It is really, really embarrassing. As much as it's not the government's fault, if you look at it this way, citizens who went to watch, the outcome of the game was not really good. We also need to understand that garbage in, garbage out, whatever it is that you put, you get. So, whatever it is that we gave in is what we got. So, it's not like, you know, Ghana came in and did something extra. But we're not able to contain all of that. But who do we blame for it? It wasn't the government. It wasn't even the president. It wasn't even governor. So, ministers that, you know, did all of that. But the fact that we were not able to maintain law and order, it just shows failure on part of government. So, government, you can't take our government out of the equation. We will always, the government will always be at the center of it. And we will pay that money. I think so. We will play. And the fact is that Nigerians, eventually, would have to, would not be able to see matches live as in going to the state. We have to do better, don't you think so? Yeah, we should do better. The fact is that, like you have rightly said, the police should have been there to maintain law and order. So, how come the hopeless went totally violent? How come the police could not actually put everything in check? You know, but then it has happened and we just have to try and learn from our mistakes and do better in future. Let's slide away from a FIFA ban in Niger, finding, not banning right now, finding Nigeria, you know, 64 million. And Nigerians will not go and watch other stadiums, you know. I'm sure they will put your axe together some other time and be of good behavior. You understand that sometimes you win, other times you fail. Yeah. And you need to go back to the drawing board and we jig. Let's hope that brings some level of deterrence to Nigerians. Away from FIFA, away from football, aviation, let's talk aviation for a big time. Dana, flight catches fire and takeoff, you know. A lot of, you know, a lot has been said concerning issues in the aviation sector and how, you know, we've had plane mishaps and plane crashes and all of that. Good thing that no life was lost. But we should have been able to do, you know, checks, the pre-checks that are done before a plane actually takes off to find that the plane is actually in good shape and engine checks, maintenance checks. I wonder what could have gone wrong with the Dana flight which just started smoking at the point of takeoff. Like you have mentioned, I mean, it's just basic. It's, you know, normal. It's just a best practice. It should be normal that before you take your car out. So I'll start with the car. I mean, for you, if you drive or own a car, you understand the regular thing that you need to do, check for everything and all of that, that you have water, you know, everything is okay. There's fuel and the cars and a proper, you know, there's a proper state to take off, I mean, to move. So you have to do all of that. It probably would just show that it might just be at the end of the negligence. And so you take the aircraft and you feel like, okay, it's okay to do all of that. So it's failure on our parts. But not to say that we don't really have, I mean, you don't have all of this happening. It's a norm. It can happen. I mean, even when you actually check, it's also possible that these things can happen on foreseeing. But the question would be, did there really do the due diligence? I mean, did you follow protocol? Protocol before you start the aircraft or before you have passengers on board and ready to fly? I'm really thankful that this did not happen halfway, you know, mid-air. It would have been a disaster. I have been once upon a time. I've had a horrible flight experience. And I thought I was going to die. But I never had the time, you know, to reach out to anyone to say, I think I'm about to die. Did you share your properties when you were there? No. I couldn't even, you know how you can't even turn on your mobile diva? I spent two hours, you know, I spent two hours in nowhere, two hours, three hours I was just nowhere. It was completely short. So a journey that you were supposed to leave for a certain time, flight delays and all of that. And then eventually you bought it, you found yourself in your destination the next day. So I spent like three hours on air. What are you doing there? Three hours. I'm not leaving the country. I'm in Nigeria. Are you even lucky that you guys didn't run out of fuel? See, I knew I was dead. But you're not dead. Thank God you're alive. No, I couldn't even I couldn't even tell anyone that I was about to die. So I'm saying that you know, aviation is very important. The sector. I'm not like we're saying that every other sector is not important, but we need to pay attention. We need to be extra careful. It's very basic. You know, unlike, you know, the land transportation where you could actually just stop and then do checks and then if you notice some issues. Nothing is even good. You know, would you not stop? You have the idea. You come down from the plane I come to an asking myself, where am I going to? How come I haven't arrived? No, we're laughing about it. The fact is that for aviation, it is super, super, super risky. And that's why a lot of caution, a lot of checks and maintenance should be done because all like the land transportation where you could actually just stop and do checks, that cannot happen midair. So, but if you also want to investigate, you also want to look at it because at the end of the day, it's an issue of we can't actually say because we haven't been, we're not there to really say, okay, what really happened and even if they don't tell us, they can actually tell you what happened. But maybe you need to do an extra to find out are you really sure that they have the entire protocol, the respect of the protocol before the takeoff? That would be the question. But some people would say, maybe some people are not. Those who are responsible just feel like, you know, maybe one or two internal issues would have actually been responsible for that. But it's not an excuse. I mean, we need to be extra, extra cautious. Now we're very happy that we didn't lose any life. Any life. And that's the most important thing. It's always a sad story every other time. We're not saying that these things don't happen outside of this climate, including developed climbs. I mean, you find that, you know, all of these aircraft, we're just saying that let's pay attention. The aviation sector need to understand that it's sensitive. We need to do extra. We need to be on top of our game. Let's, you know, respect the protocols, the topic we're discussing today is still on terrorism, still on them, the independent, independent, the genius people of Biafra, Aipop and the governor of Ambriva State is in the news and he's saying that he actually supports their agitation but not violence. Yeah, which is because the truth is, violence has never solved the problem. Have you ever seen where violence solved a problem? So, I mean, so that's that popular you, I mean, it's been said that two wrongs can never make a right. So, if the people feel marginalised, because the reason why a lot of persons are asking, I mean, you have groups in different regions saying, we want to become a sovereign, you know, entity. We want sovereignty. We want to become a nation. We want just to go away. We want to break out because we don't have a right. As a matter of fact, you as an individual, you do have a right. I have a right to say, hey, I don't want to, I want to become a republic of my own. But the approach is what we're talking about. Has violence solved anything? I don't think so because two wrongs can never make a right. So, the question, if you look at SBOT and, you know, all of the analysis has been put out over time, you have a lot of people saying, yeah, I'm thinking it's not fruitful. It doesn't yield any result. And so, no one should, no one, no one who is in the right senses would support the approach of being very violent, even though some people would say, let's take for instance what happened in Ghana. You know, the Rawlings case, where you had a lot of all of that massacre. And so, people think that before you get the result that you want, there would be a revolution and it has to be blood revolution. We have seen, for instance, with Ghana. But I don't think that it's always the case in every instance. And that's why I'm hoping that as a country we can come together because it's like a family setting. If you have a child that's disgruntled and the fields not carried along, there should be a listening ear. You bring them to the table. Let's lay out all the facts and talk about what exactly is the issue. And that's it. But it's quite unfortunate. We're hoping that as we continue to grow, as a country, we hope to develop and we're hoping that we get to a point that everybody understands that conflict has never solved the problem. I mean, not conflicts, but violence has never solved the problem. All right, that's as much as we can take on top trend and for this Tuesday morning, we're returned again with very interesting and topical issues to discuss tomorrow. But this time around we just take a pause when we come back, we'll be going straight to what the papers are staying on off the press in a moment. Join us again.