 You're welcome back is still the breakfast on us TV Africa and right now we're lifting the headlines from of the press And we're being joined by architect Ezekiel Nyaitoka public affairs analyst Good morning, and welcome to the program Good morning, and thanks for having me. It's okay. It's always a pleasure having you Let's go to the papers immediately. There's so many things to talk about and we're beginning With the punch newspaper this morning The punch newspaper leads with artiku obi protest as bbc fact-checkers Claire tinu the writers on that story That bbc says documents confirm president's csu diploma apc carpets artiku and ob Then pdp lp tackle tinu boussay certificate issue Tarnishing nation's image would like to get your Comments on that day title is certificate forgery Oh, my brother. I've taken time to Go over these issues over and over again and um This morning. I think i'm feeling a little different Because we need to understand fundamentals. I always use that word all and all and all because it's so important Today, we are sitting down and talking about certificates Take your mind back several years when former president, um Or the immediate past president Warren Was Going for election. We talked about certificates certificate certificate. He came for second term We voted for him again And then we continued the conversation certificate certificate Now the current president Several years back As far back as the time of ganifawa imi We talked about his person his certificate We talked about all these things. He came for election We voted for him after voting for him. We talked about certificates and certificates there So i'm actually asking myself while president Mr. Tinubu Mr What's going on this morning artiku has constitutional right To continue his case At the supreme court, you know to see to what extent he can, you know Get victory It is constitutional right but i'm asking myself as as as As a cerebra art liberty to continue to discuss this matter to what extent Should i concentrate on this matter? What is the guarantee? That he will come for second term and we will not vote him again because We are talking certificates certificate What should really my conversation be at this point in time? How can i call out nigerians to know that There are the three C's in life The chances that come your way The choices you make And the consequences of your choices We had a chance at election We made a choice We must live with the consequences of our choices When we come to this hard reality The next time another chance presents itself We will take Time to consider the choices before us Knowing that there will be consequences Now there are consequences and we are Busy fighting consequences You can't fight consequences You take the choices And think of the consequences Today we are the poverty capital of the world Why is that so? Today we say that the biggest problem of Nigeria is leadership And yet the country is replete with the most cerebral people on earth Outside of the Jews, i don't think that there's any other tribe that measures with the potentials human capacity that Nigeria has So should i actually be joining that conversation of certificate or no certificate? Or should i be you know in those days When we were young, you know When when when you are not here and something happens to somebody tell You understand me Hey, it's good for you. I think that at this point in time I'm really not as interested as others would May want me to be on whether the president has certificate does not have certificate He attended this school. He did not attend this school Those are decisions we should take before We go to the ballot And the day you put your thumb on the ballot So be it. Will so ever emerges. We live with it for four years When we know that that is that the inevitable Commitant we will become more responsible in our choices in my office. For instance, if you work for me, you know Did you do the work? I ask you the answer is yes or no You never give me explanation in my office. You don't give me explanation Except what happened was as I was coming the people have learned to be specialist On reasons why they did not get the job done So in my office give me reason how you were able to get it done in spite and despite That's what I want to hear. So when you did you get it? Yes or no, that's what you answer me in my office. Yes, sir Or no, sir. If it's no, sir, no problem go Don't try to explain sir. What actually happened the reason was I don't want to know Because at the end of the month what you do is you put your hand forward I get your salary And because of that I make sure that I don't owe I say this on national television And none of my staff over the past 20 years Can tell you that I owe the peasant salary Well, there could be a delay of maybe one week two weeks maybe three weeks But say I'm only somebody one month salary over the past 20 years No, because no reason is good enough if I don't have money I go and borrow money and pay What am I trying to say? There must be consequences for our actions All these explanations after we have failed does not is no longer interesting to me We need to know that as a country We must interrogate we must review our whole electoral processes so that When you go to the ballot box You have all the information And when you make a decision And that box ballot is counted Whosoever Is the winner we get stuck for four years When we know that we don't have a choice Next time we go to the ballot we will a lot more circumspect Okay, there was this story also about our Our economy There is this story rather about our economy than that the IMF is advising us To lower inflation protect poor citizens IMF is telling Nigeria and there was this story about the house of reps also Sending some messages to the central bank of Nigeria and relevant bodies How they can also protect the naira and the things that they need to do Change of policy was part of it and we're just asking the question Will it need to take will it take the IMF to advise us on what we need to do What what is really happening with our economy the policies? How would you assess them so far the economic policies that have been done by the present administration? You see some things just make me wonder what is really going on look at the health sector We have a man that has been there before He now went international and came back highly respected and somebody that You know Has a global rating One of the things I would expect that man to do Is to have given mr. President conditions So I am coming I'm willing to serve my country that I just want to extract a promise from you That we will be on the same page A man at that level is not looking for what to eat Is not looking for relevance You know with all modesty November 1st be 60 My children I will graduate when I was 45. That's 15 years ago I have God has helped me To have what to eat What would make me to be desperate to accept an appointment without my giving the person conditions What do I want again? Okay, the bible says that godliness with contentment is great gain except and greedy So I expected that the man would have given mr. President the blueprints This is what I want to do with our health sector I was I've been there before I've gone to the international field and back here And if mr. President gives him a nod I expected that he would hit the ground running I expected that setting for the mentors would have been set I expected that today Nigerians will say wow I've seen some bright lights here and there I've seen in the housing sector the price of cement crash somebody's doing something And I give the minister a lot of kudos to it. I've seen the internal Ministry interior ministry with over 200,000 passports that were not there boom are gotten overnight I've seen the fct. I've seen the minister of warps. I've seen some bright lights But before this other was the first one I expected to see was that of the health industry And maybe I'm not looking well, but I think that I'm starting to wonder What's what's going wrong? Why am I saying this? I expected that by today Setting fundamentals that I architect in Yaitoku is not a finance guru or anything near that I understand setting basics setting foundations setting fundamentals setting imperatives For the economy How will you get Naira strengthened? Number one is you inspire Investor confidence What does that mean? Investors are not opportunists There are people that work with facts and data that is I can relate to that as a private setup Person I've just said that I've never taken any appointment in my life. I've been a private setup person And you work with setting fundamentals policy consistency monetary policy And the fiscal policies between the central bank governor and the commissioner the minister of finance When did they get into a room and align the monetary and the the fiscal policies and go to mr. President And get his buy in his approval and then come and boom. This is where we are What's our foreign exchange policy like what's capital repatriation like what do we have? What don't we have? What can we say that will inspire confidence in the international the International investors or DFI direct for investment. I don't think that's rocket science. Have we gotten that? number two interior peace What does it take let me tell you this is the best way to eat an elephant is to take a bite at the time I can tell you here today That is one of the six geopolitical zones Being the southeast I can say it here today That you can have peace in the southeast in less than 48 hours peace How do you do that? Everybody knows that sit at home, which is crumbling the economy and all the things that go with it come from one thing one man namdi canoe Is incarcerated What does it take for the president to move to southeast for one week? One week Half all manner of consultations and everything one week one full week He stays there He meets all the different groups and at the end of the day. There is a communicate I'm releasing namdi canoe to the elders first the governors Then the national assembly members then the traditional institutions. They have given me a memo That They will talk to their son. There's an agreement you release namdi canoe When you release namdi canoe you make sure that it is done on a sunday So that you carry that momentum Into monday and you are there activities are set up. You start the process of breaking That hold of sit at home on monday People celebrate that monday and they move around and everything is like you continue Activities throughout one thing or the other that makes sure that the following monday the following monday. Do you understand me? Once you have three cycles of mondays you broken that hold completely That piece that you have brought to the southeast Is not something of sending soldiers I've just said it. Let somebody prove me wrong And then you go to the niger delta the south south We really don't have serious problems aside from things like pipeline and all those things and I can tell mr. President What to do for free? How do you get foreign exchange two things? Either what comes in by way of investments Or what you sell and buy and and get money from what do you sell oil? If i'm selling a thousand barrels Just say maybe a million barrels per day And i'm able to sell two million barrels. It means I will double my inflow So the question is what is our daily production quota and where are the problems and where we are saying we are losing as much as 40 percent How can I stop it? I tell mr. President another solution Very simple and straightforward. What is the solution sir have a meter on the well head Of every drilling oil that comes out have a metering system And it can be done in less than one month That is stretching it Simple technology you don't reinvent the wheel is being done globally So that in my office In the villa. I know the production of what comes out of the ground on a daily basis What else do I do instead of me taking responsibility of You know protecting guiding the already people that are good at it. So I tell you you the oil company Take a certain percentage Maybe 10 percent maybe 15 percent maybe 20 percent To network with these people and any other technology you can deploy But what I want is that if I'm giving you 20 percent It means that if I have your drill head bring out 100 barrels of crude I expect to see 80 barrels In the tank at the end of the day Anything short of that It becomes economic sabotage And it could become a basis for me to revoke your license Nobody wants to have his license revoked as a result brother You will discover that our pipelines will be protected However Whatever and what that means that we are going to double our production quota It means we are going to double our income It means double the volume is going to come back and there's going to be more dollars the moment. They are more dollars And simple economics Once the supply is much the demand. Do you understand me is made the price collapses? I don't think that what I've just said today Is anything that someone say wow, this is elevated knowledge. No What is missing is the political will So if I can have my production quota in the south south I can have peace in the southeast The southwest is not so much of a major problem All you need is that all these issues of farmer-in-header clashes and people you tell the all the south southwest Tell them, you know what? Please provide proper ranching possibilities So that people who want to rent their cattle can be confined to their spaces They do their business they make their money you get your taxes They are happy. You are happy. There's peace. I've already given you one half of the country The other half we can talk about it later All these things I've said are things that can be done within two months And then there'll be peace There'll be resources and we'll define Okay, we've already gone five months or almost five months and Your two months projection has not been done and you mentioned something about Namdi Kanwan I'm just mentioning this in passing now. I'm not expecting you to answer that because you've already talked about it Ohane Zendibu who are the the elders that you talked about have applauded the fact that Sunday Igbo who has been released From where he was incarcerated and he's saying that he's going to return home. He's ready to return home Now after applauding that The Ohane Zendibu also said that the president should look into releasing Namdi Kanwan Which is exactly what you are seeing here today Now another thing before we move to another newspaper is Someone is saying or the federal government is saying also on the punch newspaper. It is unconstitutional for states to regulate mining Okay, so So if the states cannot regulate mining, what is the federal government doing about it? I'd like your comment on that is the on the top right corner of that You know, you know, it has to do with this concept of resource control Then you have the exclusive leads and them, you know the concurrent list and all those things And the issue of we we have governments that think in terms of resources money not service And so long as your mindset is money, you know, let me just give you a little explanation or whatever that that I do I had I had a meeting I do a lot of advocacy and them, you know Tutoring and the role modeling for young people and I had a lot of them in a class You know a master class and I asked a question between satisfaction And a million dollars Which will you go for? Without even thinking 98 possession, they had dollars. They didn't had whether one million of dollars, man, you know And I said, can you think about that question again? Between a million dollars and satisfaction That's when they said that and what is the essence of a million dollars is to give you satisfaction And yet there's no guarantee that it will give you satisfaction So you are better off going for satisfaction I wanted to do my birthday A young guy one of my young friends, you know Decided to give me his hall to to his event center, you know to use my my my friend Vincent A. Yeah, man a guy that I have so much respect for because he comes to invest at home in Go on mister Can you hear me now? Yes. Go ahead Yeah, I was saying a young man Vincent in your mind. You must have heard that decide to invest at home He has a lovely hall now for my birthday. He says I'm giving you my hall for free To use in appreciation of who you've been to me as a mentor Now that hall goes for 450,000 naira Just by giving me that hall he has effectively donated 100 a 450,000 naira to me We must think that way. So why am I bringing this into what's relevant here? It is that we have government that thinks in terms of resources money instead of service delivery The moment they can Turn their minds and think in terms of service delivery Then they'll realize that Instead of looking for what to how much revenue they are going to get Paying so much attention on revenues They'll be thinking in terms of the quality of service They could get and that could come from not just collecting money But getting the money to work for them You know, sorry when the the network went over I was trying to Get back and see what happened. So I got myself a little bit mixed up here and there Anyway, I think we can move on. Okay Right now, let's move on to the Guardian newspaper and And see what we can glean from there Now They effects arbitrary rules leave telecoms To big four cripple 568 firms does the leading headlines on the guardian newspaper effects arbitrary rules leave telecoms to big four cripple 568 firms So right now is only the big four that can be operating and they can do what they want to do because FX is no longer friendly And the arbitrary rules also Not the ones that are favorable to businesses. So 568 firms have been crippled Yeah, yeah, you see what happens is that We do not understand that within the telecom subsector they are People that are licensed to provide certain services and them, you know If you even they just mentioned one, you know, they were like some companies like staccoms and these and that and them etc. And it and you know, there were a lot of little little little companies providing, you know services within certain localized areas and it helped with internet penetration You know, they were able setting that could be licensed to take certain rural areas really rural telephony and things like that Now because of this a combination of FX scarcity And policy inconsistency virtually all these little companies have Have completely gone under and then it's not good for us So we are now left to the mercy or the mercy of the so-called, um, you know, big four and um around the even a one like a Night a night hell is it intel or night hell, you know, I think it's night hell, you know, not night after this Eight, no, not at a little is still there. There was one that was from from night hell from the days of night hell I think it was a change. I can't remember. Yeah, but even that one was was the main thing is lost So I think that we need to start to have this little localized. It's just like power Well, we now have this mega power grid that we depend on if we Decentralize and liberalize it and allow little, you know, enclaves a state and things like that to generate their power Then we'll be able to um have a lot more power Okay, um There's this or when we're talking about education in Nigeria and how we need to make education a priority there's this uh story, um from Ted phone Ted phone is saying that politicians corner 70 recruitment into tertiary institutions I don't know what your comment will be on that You know, when you when I see certain things like that, I just feel bad because We must realize that they are setting areas that you do not go to play politics with One of those areas is education. Another area is health care You must allow This the policies of recruitment You know, apart from this our quota system the quota system, you know, kind of gives, you know setting quotas to the national assembly To the ministers to the heads of power status. Do you understand me? These people are given quotas It means I can submit three names I can submit five names, you know, depending on the the boxes I'm given to bring my people in and I'm asking myself at the end of the day So exactly what are we doing to the children of the poor? Who are asked to buy the forms and take the exam So why don't we just leave these people alone, you know When the bible talks about the he that has too much will be given and him that has not Even that which he has we taking away from me Now I'm starting to see it as a worked governance system where the poor man Who manages to buy a form is just giving money to these people because that form that that that Vacancy doesn't exist Because we've given quota to all our big big big people This are the sort of systems that I expect me. It's a president to come in and say, look, it's a milokong It's my turn to stop all that nonsense is my turn to fix this country It's my turn to change all these policies and practices that are inimical to success That they get excellence and it's about cronism You know and pre-bendalism When you will start to lay emphasis on on quality on excellence on on what is right do rightness That is what the bible says when the bible says righteousness exalts a nation it actually means do rightness Is not the righteousness of god in christ jesus That's why a place like dubai that is not a christian state is flourishing and doing well because they understand the concept of do rightness And and and equity and excellence So I think that Mr. President should say it's my turn to turn Nigeria to the path of sustainable growth and progress which must be anchored on equity Must be anchored on excellence. He must be on god in on integrity These are the things that we must look out for and if these people that are in power don't have that Then let us as Nigerians the office of the citizens start to appreciate the imperatives And prepare themselves for next time to interrogate and bring out that person that understand and can do this There are some times that you can do you love want to do something But your moral conscience tells you man You are going to equity your hands are soiled So you find yourself not being able to speak loud You understand me because you you can't you can't criticize what you're already inside it So I think that the challenge is for Nigerians to wake up and plan for another four years Okay We will move to the nation newspaper The nation newspaper leads with Nigeria leads demand for Africa's debt relief from imf Nigeria leads demand for Africa's debt relief from imf And the writers on that or the writer on that story is that Bretton Woods institution rejects blanket cancellation And then why inflation is rising by world bank your comments, please There's a wise saying in my village that You you look at a man's face and have pity on him What that means is that if if I wanted to beg you for something and I I I'm just maybe talking to you on telephone You may not quite see the emotions and everything But if I came to you one on one They say where you look at my face and you feel sorry for me and feel pity and say okay I may not be able to give you 10 but please take these two and manage And that's because you've seen my face and you are able to have pity on me please When imf looks at Nigeria, which face do they see? Is it would all those around that is in a village that is suffering terribly Or the problem that came to the imf to talk to them And you look at the guy from his watch He's wearing a Rolex And then you get to find out that they came on a charter jet You get to see the hotel that they stay in That these guys are feeding fat and you ask yourself Where are they feeding fat from? The resources of the state Are these the people I want to forgive? And let's go of my money No, they have money if they can live large Then they have money. So why should I do a blanket, you know butter on bread forgiveness? I'm going to do that But when I look at you and I see within the past five months you've been in office My god go and see going low profile Go and see shut down and shut out shut down all the drain pipes and all the leakages And shut out all the leeches all the people that have Made things difficult for us. We see the program of them going into the interior You look at health care. We look at housing. We see the efforts that they are making and you see how they are struggling And you tell yourself, wow Why can't I just have mercy on this? We miss if I can forgive them, they'll be able to do more for the poor And not those who are ripping off the poor to enhance their own status So I think that when we go to these people, we should know that they think that they are not They are not easily bamboozled like we do We were able to get debt forgiveness and since that forgiveness is the man that forgive us Regretting ever taking such a decision Or is happy look at since I forgive Nigeria Look at what they've become today or an account of my lifting the burden of them So that they could deploy the resources to make the lives of the average citizen better Which is the essence and the the starting point and the commanding whatever of governance I think that we need to look inside before we go outside We need to prepare ourselves internally before we go out. It's not like going to look for investors No lady foundation Lady fundamentals and then the investors will not be the one to come to you You won't even be the one to go. You see the world is a global village in more ways than we know They see they hear what I'm talking today a man in Philippines is listening Everything that goes on they are reading There's some water groups that I see some people in and I know that these guys are far away some of them I know them so they are watching our conversations So if we want debt forgiveness as a country Let us start to lay the foundation that will make others to say, okay, they are serious. Let's get them, you know better It's Ezekiel Nyaito for calling on the program today We couldn't exhaust all the headlines, but we have made sense of the ones that we were able to touch. Thank you so much for your insight I appreciate you. God bless you. Thank you Okay, we've been talking with architect Ezekiel who has been talking with us from Abuja this morning and At architect Nyaito I always make that mistake Kitten Nyaito has been talking to us from Abuja this morning on off the press We'll take a short break and return with our first hot topic. Stay with us