 Hello. Hello. Let's uh, I think it's adjusted. All right. I think this thing's on See if I have audio looks like I do Sweet all right. We are live welcome the vlog Thursday And uh, if you've seen the thumbnail that is measuring in Fahrenheit It is well that was even from the other day It's a way colder now than it was then that was pointing it at the ground when it hit three degrees And it then went to 11 below zero So yeah greetings from Las Vegas. That is a warmer place. That is a much warmer place So I am here freezing and I got some blankets on me like, you know, got them all Trying to keep me warm here. We will start out with the stuff all people start gathering up here the there was an emergency here in Michigan we had a The gas distribution plant had an explosion and we had to go under emergency order and Watching people have meltdowns over this was great It was really crazy So what happened is they have a meltdown at a one of the natural gas plants which broke the supply chain of Pumping natural gas in the system So they told everyone as a state emergency to turn your heat down to reduce the pressure on the system and people lost their Collective minds in Michigan Through those big corporate people. I'm turning my heat up. It's cold out da da da da da and Way we go. So yes, we set the thermostat to 65. I complied we actually Well, we already use zone heating at our office. We keep pockets of heat That's because it's not the most expensive thing, but I try to conserve energy Me even my home is very well insulated Because I invested in insulation because I think ahead and I see a lot of these people complaining and I'm like You're not you didn't invest in insulation like you really should think about these things like I've when I got this house We took money and put it into insulating and making it a more energy efficient home There's a lot of effort that was put into that and it's anything with my building We got the building and we put energy efficient stuff in there and I'm not gonna rant too much about this But it's just anything it's planning. It's forward-thinking. It's like, yeah, just do those things and you'll have much less problems You'll save money And you won't worry as much about like pipes freezing and bursting which is a real real problem The schools have been closed for the last three days here in most of Michigan right now. So Yeah, that's a problem. We chose to keep our business open But we chose to use base heaters so we could keep the heat at a minimum and not freeze too much And we just dress warmer at work, you know, we actually started looking more like the hacker types You know with the the belliclava and the gloves I thought I'm posting it like we look like these show the hackers looking the movie now because we're wearing warm clothes all day And a more unfortunate but related was our our DC 313 the hacker club that thing we had. Yeah, that didn't that didn't happen either. So, yeah Yeah Marvel SOC Wi-Fi bug actually we covered it in the SMLR I just didn't have time to really do a video on it. The other problem is it's a it's a video I also kind of omitted doing because of the lack of detail because it's one a very bad bug If you're not here at the Marvel SOC bug, there's a bug in the Marvel chips We we tossed it around on the SMLR podcast they do but the problem is there's no proof of concept because it's so Problematic of a bug. So it's kind of like hey, there's a bug here. Hey, we're working on a fix Hey, it's really bad. We're not gonna go any further than that So it would have made for a really short video versus the Cisco bug which I chose to cover Is one of those things where there's a lot to that and there's a proof of concept There's a github repository. So I chose that and this is a hard thing for me because if I Wanted to dedicate more time to it because I'm a voracious reader I spent a lot of time testing reading and doing these things So I could make more videos about that, but I'm trying to figure out a balance on the channel You know, do I want to make a separate YouTube channel just for all the news topics? So I don't clutter up my channel with all the tutorials So I try to find a balance of between here and but I listen to the feedback from all of you to tell me what balance really works. So Yeah, good plan for now Yes, the like Smarvon said it's it's common. I actually have No active. Well, I have our client base is strange. I can't say have no clients with it I have no known clients That have that so I see known clients because we have a lot of one-off jobs We do for people and I don't necessarily because we're not being paid to do so and they're not like a managed client so sometimes we're one-off to go fix a thing for a customer and That doesn't necessarily mean we know their entire network stack We'll offer to audit it but sometimes when we just remote in if it's not part of the scope of the work And they don't plan on we encourage them we follow up with them. Maybe later to become a managed client, but We don't know so I don't know exactly how many people that would quote-unquote be my client have those routers But definitely zero of our managed clients have because we keep everything up to date with them upgrade them to usg depends It the USG may not have all the features they want so there may not that may not be a solution for them Related to someone asked about bit warden. I have not had time to test a bit bit warden It's on my to-do list At the moment I have been busier than usual It's been really hard to keep up with the inflow of work outflow of work and everything but that's also why I am Working on and maybe he's watching this live stream right now. Hi Brett Brett's coming on to help manage and some of the growth of the company because I'm gonna have to put some more people in Place so we brought Brett on and today was his onboarding So we're kind of busy with some of that on having him He's going to help with some of the structured things and some of the expansion plans we have especially in the msp space And doing client follow-up and building a lot of solid processes for those And building those solid processes and documenting. It's not like we don't have the processes It's some of the way that we've documented them So it's going to benefit everyone not just my company because some of this is going to be Stuff that's going to be brought onto the channel for talking about and talking points for Internal processes in a more documented generic way. So I'm really working towards the focus so I can work a little bit more on youtube And I have I just got to hire some more people and bring my other staff You know just has to constantly be brought up on some of the things that I do so I can delegate those tasks Uh, how they got hacked up a silver you talk about small businesses and what was there made that? I don't think you've ever seen on youtube. Yes The how they got hacked is still one of those projects that I've got on the back burner And I need to get enough people together to make it all happen So I've actually reached out to in my security circle of friends I have a lot of them that want to participate in it. I have the domain There's no website there, but I do own the main how they got hack.com and um That's going to be a future project where I cover And this is my idea for this and a lot of people like this I'm going to cover one debriefs of how a hack occurred And I'm going to my goal is to interview red teams And put this together so I interview the red teams we talk about that we genericize everything So everything's you know completely anonymized where there's not the point of this Point of this talk and podcasts where we want to call it I'm not sure how what format is going to be in is going to be how they got in What they did when they got in how they were discovered and how it was remediated Basically, that's the same story that's going to be told over and over again for each task that occurs So it's going to be a a lot of fun doing this. It's going to be The goal is to Not scare you but maybe scare you but certainly educate you when you're done So you'll have a good clear understanding of this is the attack that occurred. This was the threat surface This was how they got in this was how they made those changes and this was the end result of This these are the ramifications the company based these were the remediation steps were taken And by the way, I have red team friends. We've talked about this. There are no remediations Sometimes the company put the switch went out of business closed. That was it. They didn't survive it So that's going to be very interesting Let's see. I uh loved to work for you but require search degrees. Yeah, that's common a lot of places do um Finding a job in msp space when you can't afford a certain degree but have the skills Uh Keep applying talk to them make offers. Uh, that's my advice for that. I'm not gonna because I don't I Weird thing. I'm not the best person to ask for career advice because my career path is Way outside of the norm because I run a business for the last 16 years So my career path is harder to juxtapose against yours if you're trying to get a job somewhere Because I've been working in tech since 1994 So it's a little bit different and I've always just leveraged connections. I had and connections I made by The quote I love that I not trying to it's it's one of those things like have skills so strongly can't ignore you When I seen someone post that I'm like, you know, I kind of like that concept And it's one of those things you kind of prove yourself. You get the skills and It's hard to get inside some of these places, but You can and um, but like I said, I I've been working for myself for 16 years So I know the job market has probably changed just a little bit and so I'm not the absolute best career advice person Formulated a checklist of the bad security practice small businesses Sounds like a form topic. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff on there and so much of it's basic And we're one of the things we're going to be focusing on is we're we're going to expand our offerings to our clients when it comes to User training that's another growth. I'm going to be doing at my company And we're going to be putting a good solid plan together so we can sell services that do training This is a different aspect. This is not a technical job. This is a user security job. So that's something Brett's going to probably be helping us with and we're going to coordinate on my at my company of how to do that But those are almost the same things. I mean, they're going to be youtube tips as well So there's going to be direct benefit on there I've been doing a talk for years that will soon be posted on youtube that I do at businesses I've done this at events at like b2b Business events like up on the stage me talking I the name of the talk is called protecting the digital you And it's a online guide to protecting the digital persona you create online and tips related to it starting moving my blankets around I'm so warming up So by doing that I that will also all this bleeds into youtube any of the things I do that are for my clients I often will follow up. Hey, you can follow up with this youtube video and rewatch this same talk again So that's kind of fun stuff we do Um, how is the overall man's seriously is it better with more clients wanting better security measures? It's it's very different so Slowly people are warming up to the fact that they need better security and they realize that they're They can't just set it and forget it. That's that's was really what we did in the earlier days because you could set it and forget it You could leave things and the vulnerabilities were less now that the vulnerabilities are active. They're constant The sysco rb 320 is an example You have a very popular small business firewall that we know There's going to be a lot of exploits for because people just set it and forgot it and uh, you need active management So constantly reiterating this to clients and they realize that the threat models are constant evolving And the fact that larger corporate companies Double down on security more than they have in the past So that leaves a small business market that i'm in or the even the mid-size markets More vulnerable because they're not investing as much in security. So they become a bigger target for hackers Before to make the jump financially do have small photo video media clients, but yeah It's hard starting out. There's no lot so Well, let's see I started out my company with no money I opened my own company at 25 before that. I was manager 18 of it company. Awesome. Congratulations I regret not starting it even sooner. I think I was 26 when I started this company I think that's 25 or 26 20 when I started whatever overall. I wasn't in in uh, 2003 I don't think about those things as much Mailhouse flyers and security tips. It's hard Uh white brick Which white brick bothers you Oh that one. Yeah, that weird Um, there's a couple random white white bricks in here. You are correct. There's nothing on it. It's not painted It's just there's that one and there's one over there and there's more out of your view above my head There's some random white bricks. They chose for styling. I guess I didn't build it. Um So, yeah Yeah, working in retail is a pain. Sorry about that Yeah Oh, that's my wife. Why are you commenting? Is that youtube channel? I just realized who's commenting on that Hack the brick. Yeah Did I eat that as a youtube thing my wife was working on at one point in time? Anyways Yeah find smaller businesses. Um, that's gotta be where you start out that So, um, another thing and I think this needs to be covered better is uh, sd Wan and I see that because I vmail back and forth to the few people and They're they're assuming things work at different layers of the protocol stack different than they do And this is where sd wan comes in and I want to I probably will do some explainer videos And this is something I'm thinking about and even in the future of my channel here Is hiring animators to help animate as I talk some of the Relationships to this because what people keep assuming is that oh, yeah, if I have two um There you go. Yeah, use that account, honey It's my wife Kathleen Lawrence if you couldn't tell by the last name. Um, sd wan is a lot different and Then then just load balancing and it's different again than when you aggregate connections together And there's a lot of and I get it the assumption makes sense Like if you're starting out and you don't understand a protocol stack and how tcpip delegates things and how firewalls work So you have two different connections. You're like, okay, I have two 100 meg connections. Does that mean I have 200 meg of connection? No, it's not quite that simple You can load balance where you send some connections out on there and That will work to an extent. So when I say No, there's always someone who points out that I'm wrong because I said no But if I said yes, there's the other side of people to point out that I'm also wrong And I'm like, I know it aggregates in a certain way. It depends on the application level But that's where things like sd wan. It's uh, sometimes treated as a buzz term But it's been around for a while as as other names. But what sd wan is going to do is Create at the layers level and there's some open source tools to do this. It's just really complicated to set up It creates a solid pipe out of these So you still only have one ip address but are able to aggregate the bandwidth and this type of thing also allows for The failover to be seamless and I'm going to case in point like cradle point So people who aren't familiar with the cradle point ones They're one of the backup devices you can have and the way those work is very simple You take the device and let's say I have a call connection and I've got two connections going through That's a single tcp stream is the call Well, if one of the connections fall when you're using sd wan, you don't notice it when there's a failover There's a drop in packets and a reestablishment of connection over here at the other fail point That's your standard failover. You drop the connection It has to find a new route because it's finding a new route It drops and moves and there's issues that can come about that like pauses It doesn't happen in the more immediate. So this is kind of um The way I want to break into some of the sd wan features and some of that works So there's because it's working at different levels. It's something that people need to understand So when they start to talk about their goals They if they have all the tool sets in there, they can better understand how to deploy these Oh, let's see What else we get here suggestion for bribing compatibility skills. I can't really work because bill I'm age and lack of papers. I feel foolish by just walking around asking for a job Go ask around for a job. Don't feel foolish. That's that is a strong piece of advice. I will give you Do I think pf sense and untangle firewalls will overtake sysco Not really There's different markets. There's also there's different levels of support they want. There's different levels of things There's there's going to be corporate people who just have a box to check on certain things So no, there's always going to be a mix in the market and I don't want a monoculture of more I would like a more open source market But I don't want a monoculture of everyone just uses one firewall And you know case in point is we'll roll back to that marvel soc chip So marvel brags about being in millions and millions of devices with their wi-fi Because they're a really really popular wi-fi chip. Well, this is where monoculture becomes a problem We have settled that these are amazing Chips but the other side of that is these amazing chips now have made it in all the devices They found the flaw and now all of our devices are affected by this at least a majority of them because of the popularity of chips And this is the same problem when you have firewalls one you can run the problem with the lack of innovation And that's kind of what happened. I mean microsoft got a monopoly on windows That caused some stagnation and the innovation side of it because the market pressure was so small from other Other competitors because it really weren't any These are some of the problems where monoculture in a general. As a matter of fact, we have a Discussion about that. I'll reference the SMLR podcast again Because what do we say in that we have the video the title of our two episodes ago? I think it was was monoculture is cancer and it's just things if you build everything on a single entity You if there's a flaw on that one and too many people are using it or that one has pushed out all competition It can stagnate and become a flaw now. This doesn't apply to everything This is not some hard-fast rule that means that we should just have a diversity of all things But it is a when it comes to things like firewalls and stuff like that. I think it's an important aspect to think about Yeah, I I still have no problems selling using uh and deploying on tangles So those the untangled firewalls are nice. Their dashboard is nice It is a good thing Uh, but it can't do data center level routing pf sense I don't know, but if you're right there, I guess it depends what you're asking What is it that you need pf sense to do that you can't do now? There's limitations to everything Hey, thank you oscar for throwing someone out there uh, but we think so Uh, it really yeah, don't put your eggs in one basket. We've had the same for a while, haven't we? Uh, but pf sense is kind of depends what you want to do To say it won't do data center stuff is kind of It it will I guess it depends. What is the data center that you need? So if you look at the projects that are being run by facebook, microsoft, uh, like at your azure data centers They are using custom linux kernels to um They are using custom linux kernel to do their routing. They're also doing routing when you look at facebook azure google They're doing routing at a level that is not anywhere else in the market So they've had to do some very very custom things because they're not like they can buy off the shelf things They're routing at a speed that is incredible. That is not even at your average data center So very different problem to solve. So kind of depends on the use case But yes, they do make um pf sense for and is used in certain data center applications But if you have a specific use case, there may be something that it doesn't work for How do you feel about using web dab over vpn solution for open vpn with the client software for remote access shared drive Shared network resources I guess I would ask her i'm going to need a little bit of clarification on that of what you're asking um Like you want to connect to something that's web dab after you connect to vpn I love open vpn in front of everything. Um, that's our go-to when you Like if you come to our firewall, everything is open vpn Before you get to any services. I don't expose rdp or well, you don't need to use rdp ourselves But even for our clients, we don't expose rdp. We don't leave things out open like that It's least privilege is always the rule So what do we really need access to and can we tunnel it all through a vpn first? So there's a smaller threat service at that service being open vpn Because if you have everything tunneled out of one thing you have a very narrow place that you have to keep up to date You have to you have to worry about the other applications. But yeah It's it's a lot narrower when you only have one port open on your firewall. You only have one thing to babysit Uh, I haven't done in the pfcens yet, but I am working Wondering if it's worth a separate machine running pfcens for the extra features which is liability of the usg If you don't need those features in the pfcens the pfcens is a awesome awesome Swiss army knife of tools for exploring networking packet capture doing all kinds of fun stuff If you don't need all that then don't use it If it's not a use case for you then don't use it I am actually at the moment you guys are watching this at my house going through a usg Because I don't even have a vpn at home. I'm guess I'm pretty damn boring Matter of fact, my home is a flat network because I don't have iot devices to separate They don't exist in my house. So You know for me usg works fine for home. It's a great product um pfcens though Swiss army knife man, you have every bell and whistle But if you're ever going to use it, why spend the money on it? Why even go through the trouble of configuring it if you're if you're a tinker awesome if you have a higher end use case for it because it runs your business like it does mine awesome Those are great use cases, but If you go I just want to route traffic and watch chromecast, which is what happens at tom's house usg works great Uh, let's see hot sauce to the week. I'm not sure man. There are so many I will tell you the new tequila ghost. We got to review this stuff. That's one of my new favorites. So You can look it up If you have a raid z6 drive senior everyone what non cash reads I don't know your your speeds are going to be varied greatly The free nas forum is way more helpful than me when it comes to speeds There's lots of people who spend a lot of time speed testing more time than I have to do so They're going to be able to answer it But then all the controlling all the factors are going to be factored into this how fast is the back plane How fast is the controller using does the controller itself have memory on it? Does the hard drives have caching on there? You can see this spirals out of control very quickly to determine actual read and write speeds of that system And there's people who spend a lot of time thinking about that in the free nas forums I highly recommend the free nas forums for that particular topic Yeah usg's kind of a fit and forget the uh, you can push firmware updates really easily So yeah, it's it's nice. It works well. It's a nice simple solution We use it at a lot of our small businesses that have no ports open No real high-end needs with like, oh, we custom vpns and all that they just need just the internet to work So One of you diving in a cabium very soon. We've been playing we had the cabium stuff out and on the desk um, so it's It's there. We're testing it. We we really like there's uh, the routers are basic but work really well So we're going to be doing some videos on their routers probably first because it's a it's a really nice consumer product Goes back to that. You need something basic. You need some 5.5 gigahertz and a 2.4 gigahertz all in one package cabium actually sells some really nice devices. We're impressed with these things Uh, they have a lot of cool features on it too. So uh, low power free nas build Build one out of an atom you can once again go back to the free nas forums or some good people There's people put together some really good guides I believe all the guides are under the forum title will it free nas, you know, that's a great place to check that out all right, um Yikes, I'll check that out. All right Set up for you diving into yeah, there's there's gonna be like this the cabium networks And I got to do another firewall review. I'm gonna lay out a few different devices if I have time by this weekend I'll do that. Um, I'm just have a lot of client projects. I have to do um but uh There's a Challenge when it comes to doing all these trying to get them all done in time So that's one of those things like I want to get all this stuff done But there's that challenge of getting it all done in a timely fashion Which I feel really bad. Can't do a network set me an awesome box of stuff And we really didn't have that time to test it like I said, I'm working on that Uh vpns. I don't really use I've done pa vpn. I like them. I use them I don't have a reason to use other vpn services And I uh, just don't feel like taking the time to check them the reality is you can't trust any of the vpn services I thought about doing a video on this I have very mixed emotions on this. There was a vpn company that provided logs to the fbi recently I am so happy that they caught this guy. He was a horrible human being Doing horrible things to people uh to a very specific person He was using a vpn to hide his tracks the vpn company was uh cooperative with the fbi and Nailed this person vpns offer limited protection So the only thing you're really doing is kicking the can't kicking the trust Down the road a little bit to the vpn provider. So you're going. I don't trust comcast atnt whoever my internet provider is You're just moving the trust code, but I trust this vpn company There's no real way that I can honestly give you a good Evaluation I can tell you things like hey, what does this company known for? What do they do? But it's still very uh Kind of a subjective thing at that point because unless I get to visit their data centers and really Understand the company and hope that the day after I visit their data centers They change nothing or hid nothing from me that they remain to be the same way they are Vpns are are important when you're going like from my office to Wherever my laptop is those type of vpns are important But when it comes to vpns to protect your privacy from your isp You're only just saying I trust the vpn more than I trust my isp. That might be a valid answer But it's also not exactly a subjective review that I can give you I use this to set up a real client. How do you keep your network secure with remote vpns? You have rules. Uh, we actually have more than one vpn in my office. That's part of it too. So we have the Yeah, if you want privacy, don't use the internet We'll leave that there. So, um, we have more than one vpn and that way we segment out even our vpns are segmented For example, I have a really Uh restrictive vpn that has a single rule It comes in from my phone I connect it and it can only talk to our phone system. It has the firewall rule npf sense It says you're allowed to talk to the phone system done. That's it Then dot anything else. So if you were ever to acquire access to that vpn You will be sorely disappointed because you still need a username and password to connect to my phone system So that's all it's really for and this is because I'm a little bit security minded Maybe a lot security minded. So I've built the vpn It has a single use case. It has that then I have a secondary vpn that vpn Has a very high entry password is kept down more securely and less people have access Only a couple people in my company have access to that vpn So there's very little of it out there because that allows access to our internal networks at my office that we keep very secure So that's how you can use vpns to segment things. You don't have to use one This is an advantage. I like what pf sense you can set up more than one vpn server And by doing that and putting it on different ports not that I think security to you up security is is a real answer But hey every little bit helps. So having those separate I even have separate users I have users for those vpns that are on the phone only system and we have vpns that are for the Bigger systems this also allows people who are outside contractors for me to call from our phone number and act Upon our behalf as if they're there by having on their phones But that does not give them access to everything that's important to us in our system It gives them a narrow list of access to the other things Um, I love so we got slinky 1284 I love this channel information you give I look forward to seeing 20 and jane has in store. Keep us great work Thank you very much. Thank you. Uh one two eight four. I um, I think i'm only a thousand away from uh 50 000 So awesome. That's exciting to me as well. So I'm really happy about that Um, I have looked on my channel for a building one. I built it in line node I could just as easily built it in digital ocean. I have a video on how to do that I have I have a video on how to build your own vpn server. Let's say that But once again, if you build your own vpn server, let's say you use digital ocean By the way, follow my affiliate link. I have an offer code help the channel out If you do something like that You now are trusting digital ocean as opposed to Your your cable variety whoever's in between just fyi. You're just moving the trust over to somewhere else Um Going to be 77. Thank you uncle joey. That's awesome It is far from 70 you you're you're about because we were at negative 30 with the windshield So very different worlds. We live in there. We live on the same planet, but a very different world. It feels like Uh I am not giving proxmox a shot. I have Repeatedly and will continue to repeat this my friend jay lecroy over at learn linux.tv Great really smart guy. He uses my studio. We share space And he has a whole series on proxmox. Go watch it if you want proxmox videos I have Given up on proxmox. Um, I am letting jay run with proxmox. He's good at it. He uses it in his Lab, he uses it in production. He's very smart Wicked smart wrote like a couple books on things learn linux.tv. He's in my subscription list for channels He does proxmox videos Uh Do I have trouble recommending it comes down to use case. What is the use case? That's where all of our ideas start. That's also where we do things we go What is the use case and we move from there? It does we have netgear ready nasts. We have synologies. We have Lots of free nasts. Matter of fact, we have one client that has both they have their we use their Older netgear ready nasts, which works perfectly fine. Um, sitting on one side We have a large free nast to the other and the free nast dumps its files Over to the netgear ready nasts as part of the solution because they had it existing. It works fine So I throw it away. Uh, so we have all kinds of them, uh solutions for clients We think a lot about those solutions. We don't cookie cutter everything to be identical So what we recommend depends on what that client needs so Yeah closer to negative 77 here that issue we are closer to negative 77 than 77 Uh Another dumb question vpn server running on a dedicated machine versus vpn usg Go for it if you want, uh, please note when you do that you have gateway issues not gateway issues gateway complexities If you want to act as a gateway and route you have to have extra routes in that system to do that That's way more complicated and I feel like talking about right now. Oops. Uh Uh I yeah, so I've heard that. Yeah, everyone loves to ask me about proxmox Jay even asked me goes. I'm not getting the views. I thought I'd get on proxmox It's I don't know people ask me about it. I can't do a video without people saying proxmox If I do any video on virtualization people go proxmox and I'm like That's other people are doing it Do I have contractors in the chicago area? Not at this moment Most of the time when I contract people it's never for physical. It's always for virtual work I have a trusted group of friends it friends that I contract for things and They take care of projects or I just delegate it out to their businesses So it's rarely onsite onsite is pretty much just restricted to the Detroit Detroit area right now for us Turnkey linux vm's. I don't know if you trust the source of the turnkey linux vm. Cool. Um, I guess I need a more expansion on that. Hey, chicago Fellow freezing person awesome negative 50 sounds about right All right had to block that call. It's the school calling me to let me know they don't have school tomorrow Sorry about that for if that came through. I have no way to shut off my phone with When I'm doing a live video I'm located chicago 50 degrees. Do you do msp services and companies outside chicago really? We're focused on Detroit for msp direct msp services. We can do msp services as long as there's no onsite of all that I just don't have availability to do the onsite side of it when we're out of the state right now Working on that Hey people like mint mint is not bad at all. So Yeah, I me and him me and jay might do a collaborate. We were talking about doing a uh, we're going to figure out how to do a video Uh proxmox versus xcp ng by the way We scripted a little bit of video like we and him tossed the uh ideas back and forth on a whiteboard when he was at my office Because Fun thing it's really hard because they're in parity with each other I understand why people ask about proxmox versus xcp ng both open source both good projects both work really well and Both have almost tit for tat like they have a really solid parity of feature sets. So Yeah, they're great. Um Both good tools is one of those. Hey, they're really really competitive with each other. They're excellent They're both good products. I have nothing bad to say about either one of them. I have chose xcp ng I'm really happy with it, but there's not a reason you shouldn't choose proxmox Uh matter of fact for a home lab There is a couple reasons you may want to choose proxmox because it's later Wait when it comes to large scale expandability. This is the only real difference we find xcp ng because of zen orchestra One zen orchestra has got an amazing interface. It's really top notch and for scalability wise And we have some clients that have some very large Uh deployments of xcp ng Wow, you can really manage a huge number of not just hosts and vm But the overall like even separate pools of networks across numerous data centers in a single dashboard. That's kind of a xcp ng exclusive thing Uh, let's see Yeah, how come I is one degree colder than I don't know what it's just weather man. It's magic I don't want to think about it. It was not really magic. It's just freaking cold Yeah, bridging projects haven't done any lately. We need to do a few more We need to do a whole video on bridging with cadmium networks Uh moving from es6 side xcp ng There's no real easy way to move from it. You just got to back up your vms and restore them on xcp ng Use any use mark them reflect use clone zilla whatever software works for moving them over What kind of ups and do I have a controller for it? My very first rack video or maybe my second one. I don't know. It's covered in my rack video I don't remember the model number. I'm bad at it. Uh, I can't remember things like that. We got it for really really cheap It's a few thousand dollar del ups and I don't know the model number at all We got it really cheap because the front cover has been was destroyed Customer didn't want it and so we acquired it for really not much money Uh, yep still using pop o s. I don't distro hot much. Sorry for those of you that don't good news Is j does learn linux tv. I'll promote my friend's channel again because he does a lot of distro reviews more so than me I'm kind of boring in that aspect. I like I I'm a firewall hopper, but not really a distro hopper Yeah, I'm glad they fixed the pipe and I'm glad there's dirt over because it would freeze too. Yes So the the pipe project is done and sucks because it's expensive. I paid for it though, but whatever Uh, I have a client who about to switch from unit trends to beam unit trends one to nine thousand a year for maintenance contract That's interesting Um With everything moving to webbases it's great 10 user likes now That is something I've talked about with many times before people is uh, the software development cycle is changing dramatically no one's building a new widget for windows everyone's building a new thing for Um The web you know a web enabled app and things like that it just makes more sense It makes the computer kind of irrelevant And I even for myself I look at it I look back at where we were where we are type things having been in tech a long time And the fact that I can just open a web a web browser Completely manipulate virtual machines migrate them between machines have a really snazzy interface to do all this And I'm doing it all in a web browser that looks like an application Why would I write an application? It's got to be loaded on computers when I can do it all in a web browser. So yeah, everything is really truly going web based Dual boot windows 10 meant it works fine. I never dual boot. So Uh How do you become affiliated with idripa invoice? I don't know reach out to them and say I want an affiliate link though Their old companies are always happy to give you affiliate links Oh talking about i'm ready to set up gracefully shutdown servers and the power comes back and they won't turn back on Have you dealt with that? Yeah, that's just a matter of um, what is that stupid tool called? Nut you can use that there's different ways you can do it to shut down all your servers So they shut down properly Any examples going to be you use a ups monitoring tool that will then gracefully shut down your servers Like you can do this. Well, if you scale up to larger number bmg you simply ansible Set up the command shut down all the servers the ups only has 10 minutes left and yeah That's that's obviously not a bad idea to do things like that But the tool a lot of different things have it free nas has it and everything else. Um So you have a ups and then you just run the tool and it there's a lot of ups is that compatible I don't have a list but there's methodologies that you can do this Should be a bios option turn of power On yeah Thoughts on open Susie not really open Susie's neat, but I'm not a big open Susie fan So it doesn't I don't really I don't have all thoughts on it Oh, they're oscar. They're they're publishing web dab directly on there. I don't know if I trust the security of that I'm gonna throw it out there put a vp on in front of it Try to read all the comments or they're coming by me really fast here You looking for a fast so Anton is looking for a fast way to get up and running with linux opens for software Load a bunch of that's the easiest way. It's the easiest os to load Yes, analogy uses nut a lot of it's an open source project for the UPS is I figure what it says is an acronym and stands for something that I can't remember at the moment Um, did did you do? Recently migrated to pf sensor bm and on raid works fine for me. Just wanted to mention that There uh, there's actually I didn't realize this type for someone posted some links neck gate has some write-ups for Running uh proxmox and some other virtualizations with their software. So yeah So you can definitely virtualize it. I I prefer to run at hardware, but yeah uh I cover I maybe I'll do another follow-up video on some of the corporate class for our walls versus there mostly comes down to support and um Really integrated features that are really more polished and you'll get with some of the other ones Pns presents on a software vlan can be problematic. There are challenges in setting it up for sure Uh, is so is smlr still running the last video published was three months No, don't look for the videos for smlr. We we kind of gave up on it They never really got any views. So we quit uploading them to youtube. They're still syndicated smlr.us They're on all the podcasts so anywhere at good podcasts or souls you can get a copy of smlr Or you can download it directly from smlr.us. We published every show Sorry, it's not like a radio announcer doing that. But yes Yeah, running pf sense on on rate. I mean, I don't I don't care for virtualizing it. So it was the best cheap firewall I don't know Whatever one works for you. Don't want everyone in the cable company to find you Network UPS tool. Thank you for figuring the acumen acronym out What do they call that when an acronym? Contains its own name as part of it. I'm not going to do all that Yeah network UPS tool uh consumer has been paying for vtd, but only has the virtualization servers that it really uses. Yeah That's true too. Yeah acronym section Wine is one of them too Uh, that's look up wine and what kind of acronym it is. It's like every I don't know the name alludes me at the now It's something funny Well, I'm reaching close to the end of the beer. So I'm going to end this when the beer ends, which is probably about 15 minutes I'm a slow beer drinker. I'm nursing it Hmm back in him Anyways, what are the other questions you have for me at this live show? Maybe he's asking questions. Maybe he'll get more beer Yeah, both are good xcp and g to proxmox both are good wine is not an emulator. That's it That's that is what wine stands for And if you're not familiar with the wine project, that is the project that allows you to run uh a Windows applications on linux natively not emulated as the namesake is my furnace is gas Natural gas is how most of them here in michigan are Yeah artesian well, I don't know anything about well. We are we have a city water I have well water at the cabin that I visit where my family some of my family lives in far northern michigan Uh longest, uh, I don't know maybe a few miles. We haven't done any super long wireless bridges. Uh, most of them have been relatively shorter Um, we've been talking to a company that's back and forth on a project that may be a bigger one Let's see. Uh, thank you fellow show Oh, yeah. Yeah, we turned our we turned things down to 65 Anyway, that's why I'm so cold. We you know, it's still chilly in my house Uh Was the lr fiber. I no it was not How do you get bigger jobs in projects? I just talked about that in my video with terry bean where I said start with an ask instead of an elevator pitch um The big projects people buy from people they like I that's like the cliche thing to say, but what does that mean? Well, you have to get out there. You have to network. You have to constantly be talking to these people. It is a um It is a constant challenge to get clients. It is one of the Expensive aspects of business in general and what keeps some people from going in business for themselves Is they don't want to handle the sales and marketing part. They only want to be the technical part I am myself lean greatly towards the technical part and don't really care for the sales and marketing part But I know I have to do it as a necessity or I won't have jobs that are big So I don't know that's an easy answer, but there's it's a lot of people time I'm going to be at an event at 8 a.m. Tomorrow networking with people and humans In a room because I need more business all the time. You kind of do it. So yeah Uh, how often we use contractors quite a bit? Uh beer talk. What would I drink? Do we are uh, this is a voodoo ranger empirical IPA. I really enjoy this Um, I hope that helps. I'm I like IPAs. I'm not pretentious. I I just like the really strong taste of them. I know you're supposed to unite Yes, we're a team of like there's like nine people. So I guess I don't I don't know if that's a question. You just want to know how many people there How often do you hire people for your team and do you have any opposition? Not in it not at this very moment We hire on an as needed basis as the business comes up. We hire people simple as that Uh, what would I do for a living if I weren't a tackle? That's a fun question Um, I don't know. I've always been a technician. So I I'm not maybe I I was a farmer when I was younger I worked out. Well, I've worked on farm equipment. So maybe that I don't know Uh, I can't really think of a life outside of tech. Maybe farming. I go back to that. I don't know Good news is I sit and fill the apocalypse if we have an apocalypse, then I'll think about it Oh, let's see Home lab like any other bigger switch bigger switches on your home lab Do you like working on cars and starting to notice that trend big nurture and often the gear heads? I have built many race cars I have built a lot. I could do a lot of rambling about that. I have motorcycles old school 1970 Hondas are one of my things I got a couple old Hondas that I race around out in the woods If you look and dig out my personal channel you find videos on that Yes, I'm a gear head. I have built muscle cars numerous ones like from engine up to rebuild stuff So yeah, I've been a gear head for a long time. I was like that when I was a kid. I was always building stuff. So It's still to me is all technology. It's just different tech. It's mechanical, but same concept See what else we got here. Have I looked at home assistant software? No, there is no iot in my house Hashtags for a pretentious during beer talk. Yeah What is google arm? I don't understand the question Use it home retreat. All right. Love your talks business topics getting clients finances And if you're just coming to future for channels, you recommend starting your own business No, I don't I don't know because I've never really looked for them. So I don't I'm not seen or not out there I'm not I'm not aware of them because I also don't search for them My trend has been lately to watch videos on Sometimes I don't watch as many tech videos. I watch Architectural design videos because I want to build a new house And so those are things I find interesting And lots of randomness Cultural randomness I find on on youtube Uh sales funnel management and not really we've been using our own system Which is basically following up with everyone using Invoiced ninja in HubSpot. We use some HubSpot too for that HubSpot's nice Shout out from Grand Rapids awesome Fellow michigander there Grand Rapids has that uh, what's that bar you guys having Grand Rapids where? It's a church turned into a bar. I've been there. It was a cool place Link to your personal channel google thomas laurence. That's just google my name. I don't know like I'll maybe I'll post a link to it Internet of strings that's funny What else we got here? Exponalities raised use career free. Yes. Yeah Iot not even chromecasts. Oh, I have a chromecast. I guess you want to call it iot um I guess I don't know. I have a flat networking home. It's not much to talk about Who is my rep could email their name for privacy our rep quit and his is war less Forces in a contract uh contact me like email me or something and I can get you my rep's name church brew works awesome Hey cool, uh So in westland michigan. Yeah, that's right down the street from us Awesome. Hello from westland Uh, there's some stuff to bring to have with you uh place before attending a bdb event um business cards and An open mind and don't just talk about tech uh start with the weather Um, I'm going to probably we'll all be talking about the weather tomorrow because it's damn cold outside So when I go to the business event, uh I'll be talking about all the uh fun stuff right there Oh, let's see Do you recommend during chamber of commerce? Yes Uh, that is I have been a member for 13 or 14 years 14 years Uh Good projects with the red esprit pire business or entertainment I only have used my red esprit pie pretty much for our pie shredding project and our Emulation project for playing video games. That's that's my two pie uses You now have to describe a poody pie with every cone cast sure do Google Thomas Lawrence an old british guy came up. That's interesting Uh, do you have a video on secure on security for our tea devices? I do Type in iot and pf sense and I have videos talking about separating them on there Yeah, so I'm not that big. I I I don't have a red esprit. Hi by at home here So let me see. Can I even find myself to share the link with you? Uh Let me find it because I the weirdest way I find my channel is actually By searching for my weird bicycle bicycling is one of my hobbies So if I search for my bicycle, I usually find my channel Oops, so didn't find it. I don't know It's a pain for me to try and find it and switch blah blah blah Brett Brett's been dealing with plumbing. Hi Brett from chinum consulting Hopefully your plumbing issues have been solved but Brett had plumbing problems too Yeah, oh my wife says hi Brett too Uh, let's see Totally branched out plumbing issues are all done. Alex. Do you have a windows server ad at your office? If not, uh, what servers do you use for user management? Um, we don't have any windows servers. Uh, we do not have federated user access So we're using g-suite have to create a user there Our invoice ninja system have to create a user there our Remote management systems each of them. I have to create users there. So we do not have federated user access I just have a process of adding people as needed to those systems or removing them as needed. So It is a weird coincidence that my channel ends in ng. I did not know that so you actually know something. I didn't know Oh, how do you set up Synology to backup a server going to be covering that Um, I have a series of videos on me doing on Synology. So that's definitely a thing that's going to happen Are you using google for cloud backups? Uh, no, I don't do any cloud backups at google. We have some azure stuff I have a few clients with some aws work Um, and some did I some digital ocean clients. I don't think I have anyone else on line node So it's kind of scattered around So I myself am not using google for cloud backups Ah Let's see. I have discovered running through headaches with running piehole through fdp A bunch of server creates issues, but running the same network on separate device works fine me Interesting Can't trust google uh self hosted own cloud or next cloud Uh, I think net cloud next cloud is the more up-to-date. Whatever one's more up-to-date I don't use either one of them, but I think tony from sml r my co-host on our podcast. He does use it It is is Most things I see people build your own xp analogy. Yeah, play with these things. You're fun to play with Um, I don't do much docker, uh, but I know people who do it's not really Um It's not really something I get a lot into some of the docker My forums run on docker joining the forums that actually is one thing I do run for my business that's docker is the forums, but uh docker is a great tool. It's excellent It's someone just pointed out if it's your use case. It's not it's not a bad product at all It's it runs a lot of different services. It's a really neat way. It works Uh, phil my friend has done a lot of docker work and I think so has j I just my day-to-day job isn't really servicing docker Uh, are you hoping to see me as long as possible or he's he's selling the business in excess years Yeah, I don't have an exit strategy of selling the business. I don't I can't picture not doing what I do Therefore selling the business is not part of a strategy that I've developed at all. It's not on my list I'm not trying to sell out cash out. I do this because I like to I made a lot of money working in corporate Um, I make actually probably I might my corporate market value is probably higher than my business market value But the other side of it is my business is what I do and what I enjoy doing. So I plan to keep doing it Uh, do I ever look at bit defender not really? Uh, yeah docker is amazing for scaling and scripting. It's an outstanding project I started docker a few days and then turned back and created more linux vms instead So there's some there's something to be said about each one of them vms are going to be much more heavyweight than docker Uh, docker can be challenging at times understanding how it bridges networking between the docker containers and the Uh Primary vm that's hosting it or primary system that's hosting it. So there are some challenges even I've had in learning docker But once you kind of get some grasp on it, I'm not at a grasping level where I can teach it But I have the general idea of how it works and can use it So once you get over some of those hurdles dockers, uh, it's a great tool to learn I mean, it's very popular It's very lightweight Comparatively and it's uh scriptable and scalable when you have to build vms and machines See, uh, docker swarms are great. Yeah, definitely cool Is uh Is recommending rolling pms or vm also you can run pms sense as a vm or hardware uh Yeah, I Either way, it's it's not a bad thing. Um, but there are obviously challenges. Uh, when you run it in a vm Oh bit warden. No, I have not had a chance to look at bit warden. Uh, do you have a favorite favorite enterprise antivirus? No, I hate them all. Uh I hate all the antiviruses pf sense runs fine in a vm. Just watch for your network. All right Uh, marco nld. Thank you for the donation I run rate and a few docker containers including pf sense of vm works fine for me. You made me smarter with your video So thank you. Thank you very much for throwing money at me. That always makes me happy It keeps the beer flowing Um So, uh, yeah, you can run it in a vm There's just caveats and things like that. Uh, I only run it in vm for testing reasons It's not my production. My production is hardware. That way I can take down my vm servers do whatever And I know I have no risk of losing internet. Yes. I know I could split it to multiple vm's and make it redundant It's just easier running in hardware mentally for me. Um, yeah mechanical and memory keyboard I don't know man. Hey, thank you uncle joy for throwing some money at me as well for the pf sense videos I like and I don't think about them as mechanical remembering I like the keyboards on certain devices more than I like others This think pad x250 has a great keyboard makes me happy pf sense on me checks pf sense vm for homeland purposes. Yeah Yeah, if you screw something up, don't piss the wave off. That's true, too Yeah, don't break the internet for the wife. They get angry I always watching her cooking shows over there Dude, if I nurse it any longer, I'll have to change my career title. All right. I'm uh Done, but don't worry. I got this a little bit of this Uh video on redundant. It's on my to-do list HA is tricky to set up. But yeah, it's one of these days New ice age is coming. Yeah. It's an ice age. All right The wife acceptance factor we'll go with that What do I do when I have spare time? What I'm not playing with firewalls Bicycling is one of my hobbies. Uh, if you found my personal channel, you'll find weird videos of my recumbent touring bike that I have That's imported from Germany. Uh, and if you watch A handful of me you'll see also I have motorcycle videos. I like motorcycles So Those are my spare time things My wife likes motorcycles and she thinks you guys should give advice for me to give to her for valentine What's a swear about valentine's day? Buzz or any other final round questions here 45 drives nasbox awesome stuff Definitely smiley face on that Uh, she does have her own motorcycle. She has a motorcycle and I have one. So if you uh, so that's definitely a thing We both have motorcycles and I have four motorcycles. Well, I have three and she has one. So uh, I Don't know this for sure about the r2 10. Does it have a e s and i There's your kind of thing. Uh, she has bicycles too. She has motorcycles and we have That's more my garage has got motorcycles and bicycles in there So is that helpful? Yeah, she has a savage the savage 650 s 40 is uh, if you want to look up the exact model number Yes, we're canceling valentine's day. I like this I'm all for that and she does have a recumbent bicycle as well But she's not for canceling valentine's day apparently worth a shot I I'll maybe just started to change was that changed that organ sort of whole, uh Petition to to cancel valentine's day because it's stupid Oh, yeah, anyways, I am way off topic. So I'm going to uh start shutting this down here You guys please if there's lots of questions video suggestions everything forums dot lordsystems.com I encourage everyone there to hey if you this is a great place. I plan to talk about things So that's definitely If you want to carry on the conversation you want to ask a question or I didn't answer a question here But you want a more in-depth answer where I can leave you links and stuff like that. Absolutely head over to my forums You can look through me as a user on here and you'll see I post pretty much every single day I reply to a lot of things every day to people So yeah keeping I like engaging with people on the forum because it's also a learning opportunity Because your question may be the same as other people's questions So when I answer it I get to answer it for everyone that may be thinking the same thing And it's uh been very good. So once again, thanks for the 140 some people Wow that show up on this live stream and uh engage with me here. So you guys I'm going to go watch some Why do I do youtube someone? Oh, yeah, I'm not watching cooking shows my wife I just like sharing knowledge and engaging with people youtube is a lot of fun for me. Uh, I like teaching Being a teacher. Unfortunately does not pay very well. Um, I my living requirements are Higher than that of a teacher's wages. I don't know So it's easier to do it on youtube It's uh, it's a way I can geek out with people. It's the same reason I am us going to be hosting the event for the next Defconn hacker meetup in Detroit is going to be at my office That's going to be interesting. I have it. I'm inviting all the hackers to my office. Where else would they want to be? So Anyways, um, yeah, I just really like teaching. That's why I do youtube. It's I have a lot of fun doing this It's a passion and certainly a lot of enjoyment. I get uh hanging out and talking tech with people. So Thank you for everyone to hear to hang out and talk tech with me once again. Um It's uh, go ahead and uh, I don't know about the Defconn requests go to Defconn Yeah, using the all the hackers are going to come in through the back door. We'll set that up. That's that'd be funny um, so yeah Anyways, uh, once again head on to the forums if you want to continue the discussion because I am ending it here And wherever the button is it makes us things stop and Now I'm broke Guess this one. Yep. Are you sure?