 You wouldn't want to go on a gas chamber, eh? Who thinks cutting a head off with an axe is humane? Right. Right now, I want a burger. Is it okay to axe your head off for a burger? Are you vegan? Yeah, I'm a vegan. For one reason, I should not eat vegan. Are you against animal cruelty? I guess, yeah. Yeah, I'm a vegan myself, though. Are you fought? Do you support animal cruelty? I'm not really. Not really? That's... Okay, you're not really. You're unsure of you? I personally don't. I only eat free-range and organic meats. Oh, really? How do you manage that? Because I'm quite wealthy. You're quite wealthy, so you don't eat out? No, not really. Not really? So you're not really? So you're not really? No, I'm sure too. I normally eat vegan places. I do, eh? Yeah, I do. So you like meat, but you eat at vegan places? Yeah, so I eat vegan. Does he really? What's the last vegan place you ate at? Well, yeah, I've been surprised. Yeah, I've had a vegan model. I also, for lunch, I can see as well that you like... You know, the vegan one... Oh, good work. You know the one? Good work, so you're working there? He's exceeded his cross-examination. What about you? This is quite cruelty-free. The farm is cruelty-free? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What about the slaughterhouse? Can I kill you cruelty-free? Yeah, I reckon. If you sedate him, I'll sedate him. So it's not cruel to kill now? So it's... You think it's okay to kill? Yeah, can you kill him now? Is killing okay? It's all right. If it depends... I mean, killing an animal is a bit different to killing a human. Why is that? They all have feelings. I think it's a bit different because... It might be different, but are they both wrong? Okay, so what's the difference between a lion eating its prey and a human eating like an animal? What's the difference between a lion shredding an antelope alive, you mean? Yeah, yeah, but that's just natural instinct. That's how it's supposed to be. That sounds quite cruelty-free. I think by being... I mean, do you care about what happens in nature in terms of morality? No, pretty honest. So why are you mentioning that? So are we not part of nature then? Are we not naturally like animals? Are you suggesting we should act how animals act in nature? Yeah, I think we should. So you don't look like a lion to me? Yeah, because I'm not. So do you eat like lions eat? Yeah, yeah. So when you see a pigeon, you pounce on them and eat them? Yeah, if I was... No, no, no, no, in civilisation, I'm saying. Yeah, due to societal programming, no, I wouldn't know. Okay. No, what was societal programming like? I just want to know if you act like lions act. Is that your metric for morality? No, because I'm not a lion. I'm a human. So wait a second. So wait a second. You used lion's behaviour to justify your own, didn't you? Yeah, because they're an animal. Is that logical to you? Yeah, because you see lions attack other lions. You can't attack other people. Lions do some horrible stuff. Why are you using them as the metric for your morality? That's what I want to know. Because they're the animals that are binding by their animalistic instincts. Is it only me eating that you want to copy from lions, or do you want to copy them, sniff each other's bum, say, attack other lionesses' cubs? Well, if you drink dairy, do you drink dairy? Yeah. Eat cheese? That's a product of bestiality. Is it? Yeah. How do they impregnate the cows? They don't impregnate the cows. They need semen to impregnate a cow. Why do you need to impregnate the cows to produce milk? Why does a human woman produce milk? Yeah, but you can use hormone to stimulate lactation. Well, they don't. They do. No, they don't. They get semen from a ball? Yeah. How do they get the semen from a ball? How do they extract it? I do. It's crude, isn't it? Yeah. There you go. You can say. Okay, is that not bestiality? No. It's not doing it a sexual amount. It doesn't matter. What do you don't think? That is... Look, it's a very... It's a very... It's a very... Look, all I'm saying is that you said bestiality. I said that dairy is a product of bestiality. It legit is. So, you don't think they use hormones to stimulate lactation? They don't use hormones in the UK? Why not? They don't need to. A pregnant cow is already full of hormones. Yeah, it's true. Estrogen... They impregnate the cow with semen from a ball? Yeah. She has a pregnancy, a nine-month pregnancy. Then she starts to produce milk for her calf. Yeah. Yeah. True. The calf is born. The calf can't drink the milk. The calf is taken, yeah? Yeah. So, how does that calf feed on milk, then, if it's... So, give them a formula. Give them... Doglet. Or not. That's all right. That's all right. You're asking questions. You're asking questions. You're curious. Why are you not vegan? Because I like meat. No, no, you can't hold him to a highest. You're not vegan either, but you do eat a lot of vegan food. I do, and I love organic meat as well. I don't care about organic meat. It's not. It's not. It's not. What slaughterhouse do the organic animals go to, even if you believe the farm is humane? So, what's it like in the slaughterhouse for the organic animals? Well, in my brand, that's what I'll say. They should cut it out of the axe or the cow. So, would you... That's not pretty humane compared to, like, the legs. Who thinks... Okay, don't wait a second. Wait a second, bro. You think cutting a head off with an axe is humane? Yeah. Who thinks that? I want to know, raise your hand if you think cutting animals' heads off with an axe is humane. You will, too. So, would you like it done to yourself? If that's how my death has to come upon me. Right. Right. Right now, I want a burger. Is it okay to axe your head off for a burger? Let's just say I've got an option, right? I've got a vegan burger here, the one from Vegan Royale. I've got one that an animal has their head humanely axed off with. Yeah. What decisions should I make in terms of ethics? Well, whichever one tastes better. Because everyone tastes better for ethics. Look, when you're in Burger King, right, they've already killed the... It's too late. It's not like they've chopped it out. Enjoy the burger. Yeah, but you know what supply and demand is, yeah? Yeah. Yeah, but I think the supply will... You're paying someone to axe heads off so you can have a burger. But, I mean, if you eat the burger that's already been made... No, but you're paying them money to produce more axes to cut heads off. But, you know, they stun animals here first. They do cut... There's a lot more humane, like, let's say on a farm, if they're giving, like, space to roam. You only eat from the Bulgarian farm? No, no, no. Okay, then why are you telling me all this? To show that it's humane. Why does it matter? It doesn't matter. It doesn't sound like you're made to hear. You're choosing a situation that you don't even eat from? No, I do. I eat from it sometimes. When you're in Bulgaria? Yeah. So when you're out, what do you do? So that pepperoni pizza you just had answered? Yeah, I love it. Pepperoni from factory farm pigs and gas chambered pigs, yeah? You wouldn't want to go on a gas chamber, eh? He's not a pig, is he? Of course he's not a pig, but do you think a pig wants to go on a gas chamber? Have you ever squashed an ant before? Yeah. What's the difference between an ant and a pig? What's the difference between you and an ant? Humans have idea of morality right and wrong. Humans have more emotional feelings. Exactly, okay. And a pig the same, right? The first one. Humans have the idea of morality right and wrong. Exactly, so shouldn't we... Shouldn't we... Exactly. Well, I don't deliberately squash ants. Yeah, but you can't avoid squashing ants. I would have to kill myself. You can avoid killing pigs. Have you ever squawed a fly? I try not to. Have you ever done it though? Yeah. I used to eat animals, bro. You used to eat me? For 26 years, like you. Six years, yeah. Do you think in an ideal world everyone's vegan? Would that be ideal for the animals? Would that be ideal for the animals? In your ideal world, do you think everyone would be vegan? All seven, eight billion people in this time would be vegan. That would be an ideal world. Virgin is possible. Is that real? Anything is possible. So is it probable? No. It's improbable. Because I'm having a hard time convincing you that cutting off animals' heads is wrong. You think I'm going to have a pretty hard time with eight billion people? Yeah. You know, you, I'm debating whether axing heads off is humane. I mean, it is. It's more humane than having them... I don't care if it's more humane. Just because something's more humane doesn't make it humane. Yeah, but it's still a better alternative than having them in fact. There's a way better alternative than axing heads off. Okay, so do you not eat free-range meat, then? Absolutely. No, because they haven't been killed in... I wouldn't eat free-range dog meat. Okay. I'm Chinese. I know, but would you eat dog? I would. I have a pet dog. You would eat dog? Okay, would you cut a dog's head off to eat them? If it was already dead, yeah. No, no, no. I asked if you would... Would you cut a dog's head off to eat them? Yeah, if I was hungry, yeah. No, no, no. I'm not saying you're hungry. I'm talking about... I'm hungry, then no. Brett, okay, you're hungry, but you've got an option. No, he's meat. They eat their whole... Why do you eat meat? See how much it tastes nice. Exactly. So it tastes nice. So just because a dog tastes nice, would you cut their head off? It would just be a substantial amount of protein, which helps a lot. You don't eat meat for protein? No, I do. No, you don't. So you've got my fitness power out, and you're like, how many grams of protein are you taking a day? Aw. You don't care about protein. You don't eat meat for protein. You eat meat because it's everyone else's. But what if I did care? Well, sometimes I do weight training, and sometimes I calculate my protein. I get 140 grams a day. So how do you get your... Freddie, there is meat free with tiduses. There's artificial protein. What's it called? It's artificial. It's made of plants. You mean like lab-grown? I don't eat that. I really like the lab-grown meat. Have you had it? It's not accessible yet. But there's plant-based meat. That's cruel. And you eat that. I think there's a couple of ways to create lab-grown meat. One of them would be cruel, and there's a humane way of doing it, where you just take like a little scratch. So would you eat that? You can create an infinite amount of meat. People are farming the animal. It's just that way of doing it. No, but... Would you eat that? I wouldn't consider it. If you ended the chicken massacre by pulling out a feather from a chicken and getting a cell, I think it would be justified. I do that veganism. You vegan yourself. I'm not a vegan. Most people are not. What do you think about this conversation? Yeah. And you can say, well, these animals deserve protection. I'm against animal cruelty, but I pay for it and I eat it. Personally, I don't necessarily think that it's more of me wrong to kill an animal for them. I personally don't think so. Okay, and why? We are in a position of power. So what should we do with that power?