 Thanks for staying with us. Eutrinium myomas common meat called fibres is the commonest tumor of the female pelvic organ. There have been nine tumors of Eutrinium myometrium composing a smooth muscle with variable amounts of connective tissue and common gynecological problem among women of reproductive age. According to scientific research, Eutrinium fibres accounted for 6.4% of all gynecological admixtures and 21.3% of all major gynecological surgeries. The tumor was found to be common between the age range 30 to 39 with a mix of 47.5% followed by 20 to 29, which is 26.3% and 40 to 49 years old, which makes up 15.7%. Although the precise cost of myoma is unknown, advances have been made in understanding of the hormonal factors, genetic factors, growth factors, and molecular biology of these benign tumors. So today, we're asking what are some of the myths and truths of Eutrinium fibres? Please let us know what you have to say, remember you can join the conversation, send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 081-803-84663. You could also tweet at us at basioafrica1 with the hashtag, basio. So before we bring in the experts on the topic, Jennifer, what do you know about I've always heard about fibroid, right? And one of the myths that I've had is if you have fibroid, you will be unable to get pregnant, right? And I know that there are lots of women out there who couldn't get married or men didn't want to get married to them because they had fibroid. So I mean, you're looking for a child. So if the myth was true, then it means that if you get married to this certain woman, there is a high chance that you would never have a child. That's the same thing for me. That's what I grew up. That's what I see here. Because anyway, we had a couple of my mom's friends, family and all those things. She couldn't have a baby because she had fibroid. Then there used to be this person that had like a protruded tummy, right? And I used to hear them have adult conversations. Then when they say, oh, she has fibroid and, you know, but thank God that we have an expert in our midst. But then you see, what do you know about fibroids? I've experienced this. My name actually happened to fibroid and she had it removed because the doctor didn't give her any other option. And that's what we use them. One of the questions I would like to ask our experts or tonight to know where is it the only option you have to get it out? Is it to get it out? Do you have to have some sort of an engagement for you to get the fibroid out or there is a way we can actually survive with it or have it wrong? Thankfully, we have we have an expert in our midst today who is going to answer all our burning questions and then quench all this mystery we have about fibroids. So Dr. Benjamin is a brilliant resourceful, self-motivated and passionate graduate of the prestigious College of Medicine, University of Lagos. He's a detailed physician with postgraduate training in family medicine from the National Postgraduate Medical College of Nigeria with special interest in maternal and child health. He's a skilled surgeon with over 15 years experience who has worked successfully in several communities in West Africa. Under his foundation, Benjamin Elogyabitou Foundation, BOF, over 10,000 free surgeries have been performed in 17 states in Nigeria for folk suffering from fibroids, hyenas, leipomas, and breast lumps. He's the medical director and CEO to the Next Medical Center and also the executive director and lead surgeon of the BOF, which is www.bof.org.ng love team. Thank you for joining us tonight. My pleasure, thank you. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. How's it going? Very well, thank you. Any time I see doctors or surgeons in real time, like, when they're not in the hospital and doing their thing, it fascinates me a whole lot, because I'm like, how are you that same person that gets into character with your scrubs and whatnot and opening people up for a drink and things like that? But yeah, thank you for that. Well, that's our job, civilized, basically, yeah. So I'm glad you're talking about this very important issue for women. And I think it's very, very great that the ladies are talking about, you know? Because I think it's been a lot of issues in the last few years that people don't talk about it. They're very afraid, they're very shy to speak up. You see women carrying a lot of big tummy, because it's very shy. They call it like, yeah, BG, they call it like my my, G-man, stuff like that. So she doesn't come out to tell you what she's going through. But now that a lot of women are talking about it, I'm happy. I'm getting more traction. People are coming out to ask for help and they're saying, oh, can you help me? And they're getting help now. So it's important we're talking about it. I would let Issy go first, because Issy had already said it, asking her question already. So Issy... Maybe she'll give you a Bible first, so people will understand what we're saying. I think people think that fibroids is cancerous. So we need to first sort that out. Fibroids are benign tumors that grow in the uterus, you know, in the womb of women. So only women can have fibroids, a man cannot have it, because only women have uteruses. You know, so it and the womb. So it's benign. It's not cancerous. So it doesn't metastasize. It doesn't cause every other part of the body. So it's localized in the womb. And there are several symptoms we're gonna get to that point, but one of the things I realized in my research or in my work in the last few years is, is about the size of the fibroids and the position of the fibroids. So the size, obviously can be as big as two basketball, as three basketball, as four basketball sometimes, and it can be several pushing up, where a personal part of the uterus can cause severe pain, severe bleeding. You see women bleeding for two weeks, for a month, for two months sometimes, because of the fibroids. It can very, very devastating sometimes. Interesting. I mean, so I was actually going to come to some of the meats that people out there, we've heard about fibroids. But then again, let me allow you to ask a question first before I come to that. Okay, you should go ahead. Hi, thank you, Dr. Benjamina. Are you happy about how that's used? The size of the fibroids is a determinant for you to know what to do. Now, in terms of non-surgical procedures, is there something to do in terms of treating the fibroids? It doesn't really click, are you telling me? So she's asking, in terms of surgical procedures, is there something that can be done in shrinking the fibroid? Okay, so that's another myth. So let me go to the first one that I've read a couple of years. Somebody tells me that you can take your medicines, I have all medicines that can shrink the fibroid and make you pass it out like a poop, or like you can deliver it like a baby. Big myth. So I like to describe if I will so you can picture it in your mind. So you look at the coconuts. You see the back of the coconuts, the shell of the coconuts. It has a very hard fibroids, it's very hard. It's, I call it monster, it's a tumor, it's that hard. So when you're taking the medicine through your mouth, as long as that medicine will shrink, that kind of coconut that is very hard, and make you water and you're gonna pass it out. It's all fallacy, it doesn't work. So they work on their psyche, on their pain, work on their fear and give them things that don't work. So they waste all their money. And most times these things that drink, have any woman go as far as go to Kotonu to buy another medicine, make with the, with the, with the feces of cow, a cow, from cow dung. And she's drinking it for a couple of years. You know, I've had about women trying to, they've used sand with them, some kind of leaves to make about medicines. And I tell them if you take three spoons every day, it's gonna shrink the fibroid. And they're still there, fibroids getting bigger every day. So this myth needs to be averse today and just given the truth. When there's a fibroid in the body, if it is affecting you and affecting your daily life, the answer taking it out is surgery. But if it is not affecting you and it's very small, most times it's just lifestyle changes that help you not to make it aggravate the growth. But there's no drug you will take from my experience that will shrink the fibroid. That's a big lie, that's a big fallacy. Okay, so that brings me to my next, the next question. So what are some of the lifestyle experiences that one might be partaking in that can aggravate the growth of the fibroid? So we say that people that take a lot of red meat, people that take a lot of pastries, people that take a lot of fibres, food, people that take a lot of diet, it's very important exercise sometimes. People say things like people that, that have not been pregnant for a while. So let me tell you that particular one. So that is from my experience, I explain to you why. Our parents, they have fibroids, you know what they have, they have multiple children. And they're very early. So look at it, look at it for you. You start menstruating at maybe nine years old or 10. And now maybe your mother started at 10, by 18 they have their first child, and maybe they're like five. Anytime you're pregnant, you don't menstruate. So the immune that stimulates the fibroid to grow, to grow and not working, the estrogen immune. I get my point. So you have one year of keeping the baby in your tummy. And you have another one year of breastfeeding the baby. I get to me. At that point, there are no five months. Because why? The immune that helps the fibroid to grow is rest in that particular, because there's a baby in the womb. So imagine having five children. I mean, yes, I get my menstrual free. So three years, three years, three years, three years. That's 10 years. That's a lot of pregnancy and fibroid. But what happens now? A lot of ladies, they are 40. That's why menstruating when they were like 10. So they've been bleeding all their life for 30 years. That's been a break. Because scientists say that nature boss vacuum. Something must grow in that womb. And the estrogen hormone will stimulate fibroid to grow in the womb. That's the fibroid of the womb. Right, okay. I think now- Does that make sense to you? Yeah. So the later, the later you don't use the womb for what it means to be something will grow in the womb. Yes, that's what it is. Okay. Does it make sense to you? It does. It's just, it's a lot. It's a lot, right? I like it very, very easy. So that's like, I give this kind of example. So you get, it's very easy to understand. You can understand what's happening to you. So you can see that the fibroid also has a good pattern. It grows, you know, because every day you feed on the, you eat food, you feed on the fibroid. It's, it has very, very large uterine arteries that, like maybe in the womb. As you eat the food, you got to maybe eat. So the same way, as you eat food is what the fibroid eats. And it keeps growing as you eat it. Because it takes in the nutrients. And it gives you what you don't want. It gives you, it takes all, most of the nutrients and gives you just small parts of it to the body. So you see the women, very, very, very, they're not very fine. They're very, very cacetic. They're very unnerving. They feel very sad because they are very loose-serviced. Because they can't wear, they can't wear what they want to wear. They look very, very gloomy. Why? Because the fibroid is growing day and night. So for a woman who has removed fibroid before, what are the chances or what's the probability of it coming back? So I say it this way. If you take out the fibroid and you get pregnant, when you get pregnant, it doesn't come back again. But that's a good I will call, we call it their propensity of families to have fibroid growth. Which means, you know, their family, maybe their auntie had it or their mother had it. So those ones will have propensity to have fibroid. It's genetic for them, so they can have it again. And if some of them, the studies were done and not all the fibroids were taken away and maybe some seeds were left, those seeds can grow again. So it depends on those parameters that can make it grow. But I actually advise, take out the fibroid when you get pregnant, because the womb is now being occupied by what it should occupy if, like a baby, the fibroid will not grow again. You get my point. Most times, people don't understand that when they take out the fibroid surgery, during the fibroid surgery, they should get pregnant. And sometimes I realize in my practice also that most men don't support their wife awesomely when they have fibroid. I think it's just why that issue with making babies. And most of the time I realize that they also call me a factor of infertility. Some of them are very low, some can. Some of them have put their phones in their pocket for a long time. They've put their laptop on their legs for a long time. They've wear very tight jeans for a long time. So there's a lot of reduction in the production of proper, concentrated, good sperm and economic babies. But most of you don't know what, because they don't get tested. The thing is that bad humans just have the fibroid that is causing the problem. So I usually advise, when you have fibroid, it must be quite annoying. It must be fellowship. The wife and their daughter must come together and seek help so that they can get the results. All right, to spell it out for our audience who are watching, right? So asides getting pregnant, which is one of the major ways to avoid having fibroid. That's if it's not genetic for you, right? What are the things that we can do as women to prevent that from happening asides getting pregnant? So as I said, lifestyle, lifestyle. So reduce your red meat intake, reduce your bread, reduce your pastries, reduce, do a lot of, make sure you're active, exercise-wise. You don't have to do a lot of weight. If you do those things, you should be fine. So what are the symptoms? What do we look out for? Good, I like to talk about that. So as a part of, you know, the symptoms are very, very, sometimes they are very devastating from painful menstruation, which we call dysmenorrhea. So we take a lot of, a lot of, analgesics when you're menstruating, because they cannot do it without a lot of pain. Some are called menorrhagia, which is increasing flow. So for example, you were menstruating for like four days before. Sweet four days and you're fine. Now it's going to seven days. It's going to eight days, nine days, with every clot on part of it. There's a reason two or three parts on a day, you now use adult pumpers because they can't take care of the blood anymore. That's one of the menorrhagia. Then we have what we call painful sex. So we would make love to the husband and his pain. Because some of the fibroids are close to the cervix. So as a lot of meetings happen in India, the other one actually eats in on the fibroids, you know. And you see people I know who call, they used to wear size eight before and suddenly you become size 12, because the thumb is getting bigger. Some we think it's a bar, but they think it's for food. But most of the time it's the fibroids growing. So you see that increase in abdominal size is part of things we look out for. So talking about increase in abdominal size, so what you're trying to say is that you can have fibroids without having that pain or having painful sex or something like that. So you can actually be leaving with a big stomach and you wouldn't know that you have fibroids. Because of the position. So you have intramural fibroids. You have sub-mucous fibroids. You have sub-cellus fibroids. You also have pedunculative fibroids. You also have cervical fibroids. So it depends on the position. So when the position comes to the pain, if you have a fibroid on top of the uterus, which is what we call pedunculative fibroids, most you will see for women is all called abitrile miscarriages. So you have a big basketball on a small uterus that's carrying a baby. So think about a bean seed. Or a bean seed or a granite trying to grow. And there's a big mass that is a little basketball on top of it. What happens? You will question. So the more the baby tries to grow, the miscarry. But they may not have painful menstruation, why? Because the fibroids are just on top of the uterus. But they will cause subversion. So sometimes you don't have all the phrase of the symptoms. Might as well go on that it's very, very severe and very, very devastating. Thank you so much, Dr. Benning, for sharing your expertise. But before we continue, let's take a short break. And when we come back, we'll continue the conversation. If you're just tuning, we're discussing the topic. You train fibroids, the myth and the truth with Dr. Benjamin Oluwatu and Ojebete. Please, let's hear what you have to say. Remember, you can join the conversation. And send us an SMS or WhatsApp to 0818384663. You could also Twitter us at ratioafrica1 with the hashtag ratio. So let's come back now to some of the myths, the popular myths that we've heard. I mean, we've addressed some of them already. Missy talked about or rather asked if surgeries, if the surgeries were the only solutions. We've heard how they say go to Kutunu and drink whatever it is that is drinkable from there. And you dispel this myth saying that this is not possible. And then there's one other one that I've also heard, a very popular one. I mean, so speaking from my common sense, I know that that's not remotely possible, right? But then I know that there's some people who still sort of believe that it's possible. And then it is that fibroids are contagious. So what's the reality with this? That's not true. That's a big lie. And it's one of the things that the Abba guys really sell to the people. Yeah. To make money off them. It's about emotional, blackmail, psychological infringement. Just some of the things they want to hear. Stick money off them. So fibroid is never contagious. It's not a contact disease. It grows within the womb of a woman. So how would you, how would you contact it? If with how it does transfer as the next person, it's not possible. It's just a big, a big, unless as a myth. And I'm glad you're talking about it today. Because people need to hear the truth. You understand, man, fibroid does not transfer. I'll tell you a story. So I was in Calabar years ago and somebody told me clearly that somebody showed the fibroid to her that her father married another woman. And the woman didn't like the mother. And when she was coming from the river and she just saw her on the road and she smiled at her sheepishly. And the next day she started having fibroid. I'm saying, oh God. That's not true. It's people. That's not true. And you know, and it's not true. To change that man, I said, no, no, no. You just let it get to you there. Nobody showed fibroid at you. It, there are systems to it. Even though we don't know the cost of fibroid, there are pretty special factors for fibroid, which I've said some of them before. It's in your family. You are, you have, you have a lot of ladies that are using a lot of contraceptives, which makes your mind very, very available in the body to go to fibroid. You know, it's genetic. You know, it's people that are obese, people that are fat, they are put to prison having fibroids too. Those are the risk factors for people. We don't know where, we don't know the risk, we don't know the cost already. We don't know about research. I'm gonna get them very soon to know what's actually causing this fibroid. And it's also very peculiar to black women. Right. Black Americans, black Hispanics, you know. And we don't know why that is. But it's about our genetic that makes it very common in this country, you know. And, you know, we hope that one day we find the cause of it from the beginning and we can make it to the bone. Yeah, very, very true. I mean, so another one would be that it is sexually transmitted. But you've already debunked it. That's not correct. But then this is some of the myths that we've heard from people saying that, oh, oh, it can be contagious. Yeah, and then it can also be sexually transmitted. That's not true. So Dr. Menem said that's not true. That's not true. It's not possible. It's not PID. It's not PID. I know, right? Yeah. It's not STD. They think that are transmissible are STDs, ETIs, or PIDs. For five words, it's a disease of the womb itself. So it's not transmissible. It's not transferable by sex or by anything. Yeah. Okay. Is there any other popular myth you've heard that you would like Dr. Benjamin to address? Absolutely. I do. And it is a myth that five words disappears after many forms. Can he throw light on very things? Okay. I like to answer that. So he said, five words disappears after many forms. As Dr. Benjamin said. Yes. So if the five word was not symptomatic, which means they are very big, they are big tummy, they are very small fiber that does not worrisome. And when you come in the process, it just goes because the hormone that stimulates the fiber to grow or make you menstruate, it's normal walking because you're not menopausal. So you won't find the symptoms anymore. But imagine before you got menopausal, you had a big tummy. You had very severe menstrual flow. You have very, very bad pain, menstrual flow. Even while you are menopausal, they're caught in your age. Because those masses are still available in the tummy, you continue to bleed like that. I've seen one that at 56 that they're supposed to be menopausal. But I say I've been fibered with this very, very, every bleeding because, why? Because before they became that age, they were fibered before and it has grown bigger. And if you take a lot of our own medicines, they will think it will shrink, but those are women that have made fiber grow bigger. And they've crossed the age, they should not be bleeding, but they're still bleeding because of the symptom of the fiber and the mass. That's it. Okay. Is it, does that answer your question? Yes, it does. But I have one more question, girl. Please go ahead. I will do it. Yes, go ahead. Yes, please go ahead. Okay, fantastic. Now, I have a question for you. All fibroids who treat him, all fibroids, who are especially involved in the type of fibroids he's in, she's all fibroids that we take from him. I get that one, Taitam. Can you help me? Yes, she's asking if all fibroids come and treat it. Yes. All fibroids that are symptomatic must be treated. So some are fibroids that are very small, no symptoms, they are very, they're chilling, they can wear their bikini clothes, they can wear their nice gowns, they are very good service team, no issues, no bleeding, they have no pain, that's all right. But when it becomes symptomatic, it begins to affect the quality of your life. You know, some women cannot climb staircase, one step staircase because they are bleeding very, very heavily because when they're menstruating, the blood just drops on the bathroom, the bathroom, they're like pouring water, like a tap just opens, I've seen women like that several times. So, but I'm working on the staircase, they are panting, they are having a severe anemia. Let me not be shocked, you want to have realized in the last few years. Because of the size of the fibroids, some women are having a cold, I can't run out of failure. Why, because the fibroids are so big, they now rest on urethas. The urethas are the organs that takes urine from the kidneys to the bladder, so you can pump here. But because they're now big, they now rest on those urethas. Instead of the urine coming down from the kidney, down to the bladder, they now go back home because of the mass, the pressure on the urethas. They now go back home, and all call severe adren, I don't know process, hydro, water in the kidney. So urine is going back, we call reflux. So you now see that urine swelling. You see women having a lot of back pain, loin pain because of the fibroids. If they don't take out that mass that is blocking the uterus, blocking the urethas, what happens? The kidney begins to fail because it's going to be over walking, and the blood there, and the urine there is not coming down to the bladder to be, yeah. So when you take out the fibroids, and their kidney just becomes a function normally again. Okay, so at what point is it, he directs to me the only option? So if the fibroid is very, very, very, very bad, and the human has stopped giving back to children, and doesn't need the womb again, take out the womb with that permission, that's it. But if the human wants to give back to children, Mr. Young, if the human will make to me, that's what I would add to your advice. And if the human has got in, so if one of the men of course, you're over 50, you're over 57, what actually do you want to do with your womb? Except you want to do an IVF, or you want to have a miracle child, like marry the mother of Jesus. What's the womb still doing there? But a lot of women are very, very particular, very warm with your womb. They don't want you out, they're very particular. Oh, they want to die, oh, they want to die. They want to die, you know, so. They just do what you have to do, just educate them properly. And a lot of them make all-calling informed decisions by themselves and their husbands and their family. Okay, so I would also want to know, I don't know, I'm not sure if you've told them that already. So is it possible for a woman living with fibres to actually have kids? Couple of them, I've seen a couple of them, more than 20, but I'm 50. So is it position, as I said, so if the fibra is outside the womb, it's very small. Some have like a, maybe the size of a melon, a lot of the orange. But when they get pregnant, as the baby's growing, the fibres also growing. But sometimes we have very, very fantastic, add, I haven't seen babies that I said, no, you're not going to kill them. I'm going to be here. I'm going to survive, I'm going to be here. So by the time they get to the, about the second to the third trimester, they outgroup the fibres. So they fight out the fibres. So the baby grew bigger, and probably just doesn't grow as big as the baby. So they have babies and they deliver. Sometimes now I have to put them on bed rest for a couple of weeks, so they don't have any abortion. They don't lose the baby. So talking about that, where I just begin back in of that, I've had a case where the lady stopped menstruating and she felt like she had lost the period, or that she wasn't menstruating, she felt she was pregnant, right? And then her tummy said I get him big. It was when she finally got to the hospital, I think after some months and they found that, oh, it's not a baby. You actually have fibres. So I also say a few things today, ladies, that we need a lot of help from our traditional rulers, our religious leaders also. And also there's some people around that are giving you some kind of injections that are given or cause pseudo pregnancy. There's some ginger that you can give you, or tell me it's not going to be. There are many injections that make you think you're pregnant. It's very psychological. Also, people say that what is in your womb is not the fibroid, it's a baby. Maybe they will say they want pasta, want an imam, or want to eat pasta, talk about it. And they don't get help on time. Maybe you're feeling that kind of position. It's all the lady you talked about. But for me, it's about also having them also help us educate people about this very, very important challenge. But my joy is that if people are listening to a lot of ladies talk about, when ladies talk about these things, it's very, very powerful because you guys are very powerful people. And I like what Larry Clinton said in 1996 about women, that when you treat a woman, you treat a nation. So you guys are the, you are parents, you are mothers, you are the one that give back to all of us. So you give back to the nation. So for us, we must have dedicated people talking and thinking and planning and practicing women's health in this country. Okay. So now let's come to what you're doing with your foundation, right? Yeah, do you want to share? Okay, I want to share, share. So I had an accident in 2016. I was on my way home from work and this is drunken. Drive around into my car and broke my right leg in three places. And I was rushed to a big hospital in Lagos and I was left on the floor for five hours. Somebody attended to me as a doctor, I was about to die. And in that quagmire, in that pain, in that I lost my blood, I was in a trance. And in that trance, I had a very very strong inspiration to turn my pain into passion and help me in Africa, in Nigeria and just solve this problem. That if I was a peasant farmer and I didn't know anybody as a doctor, I'll have been dead. But because you've got all of me to live your life on purpose, all people in Africa and Nigeria and I started doing these things for women in Africa. So we've been to 17 states in Nigeria and from the north to the south, to the west, to the east. We've been to Castina, Dalrai, Castina. We've been to Bauerch, we've been to everywhere. And we've got about small resources to help a man to solve this problem. For me, in the last three years, we have, I call it the two Fs that are first, we may have been for about two Fs, fear and fun. So what our function has done is to give faith and also have them with free surgery. So it's the F, the two Fs are what you're trying to solve. Fear is to give them faith, you're gonna be okay, you won't die, you're gonna be fine, you're gonna sort you out. Then the F is fun because we're expensive doing the surgery. If you know the cost on the island, you run away. You know, in mainland sometimes. So what our function has done is to take this healthcare, to make it universal to the rural communities in Nigeria, where there are no access to healthcare, where there are no doctors, we go there with our team from Lagos, goes to rural community and do studies for them for free and give them medications. And it's very, very overwhelming seeing women that have helped over 10,000 of them in Nigeria. Their prayers are enormous, their joy is amazing, their grace is just sufficient for us. And God has given us great testimonies. That's pretty commendable, well done, Dr. Benjamin. Thank you. I think we have a comment, Jenny. Yeah, so I have a question here that says, fibroids are well known for women. Your guests made mention of the size and the position of the fibroid, which is true. I am not a human, but thank God I am able to know that fibroids are not contagious. It only grows in the womb of women. It's to be advisable to create awareness for women to avoid eating foods that will cause fibroids to maintain a good health. If a human has fibroids, it is proper and advisable to voice out, instead of hiding it, because hiding it will only complicate matters and not solve the problem. God will help women to take care of themselves and live long and well. Good evening, my dear beautiful sisters of what are you saying, Waze. My name is Daniel Ilu, Waze regular fan. Thank you. Hi, Daniel. Thank you, Daniel. Great comments, I like that. So we need to reach for those kind of comments and make it very, very viral, because, let me start speaking up for women. I think I'm glad it's happening now. In the past few years, it wasn't like this. People are very shy to talk to their fibroids. They were talking to their tummy, you know, they were very, very aware. What do you guys, what do you girls call that thing that you wear? Get wisdom. Get wisdom, you know. They will do the stuff. So, I'm a baby, I don't know. You can't even breathe. You can't even eat, you know. And they come and see me, and when they take all that, they say, poop, I say wow. So you're keeping this in this ghetto, you know. I'm glad they're talking about it, so. Thank you so much, Dr. Benjamin, for dispelling this bit and providing us with accurate information to let your insights have been truly enlightening. We should actually talk about this more, talk about women's reproductive health a lot more often and bring their awareness to people who don't know already. It was great having you on the show. Thank you, Jennifer. Thank you, Issey, for joining us virtually as well. Before we go, do ensure you follow us on Instagram at Way Show Africa. You can interact with us further, drop a comment, and most importantly, follow all our social media engagements. Remember to like, share, comment, and invite your friends and family to watch us and follow us. It's been an insightful, you need to even share this with your friends. For them to go back and watch again, all the women you know in your life. But then if you missed today's quote, here it is again, communities and countries and ultimately the world are only as strong as the health of their women. 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