 Look aesthetics tends to follow performance, but performance doesn't always follow aesthetics In other words, if you train to move better, you're probably gonna look better if you train to look better You won't always move better discuss yeah It's true. It is it's one of those things. It's like You know if you work out to improve mobility and function and control and strength and Stamina what typically follows that is a balanced Symmetrical strong-looking physique The other isn't always true There's a lot of people that train hard for aesthetics and they sacrifice movement Because in the pursuit of aesthetics and then because they continue to sacrifice Movement they start to get injuries. They move poorly and they slowly start to lose their aesthetics you can get hyper focused on certain areas of your body and you know really bring them up, but Once we keep like focusing on segmenting the body and not considering the whole it's gonna affect The how everything performs together Harmoniously and so that's that's something that you always got to consider that in terms of like when we're in a certain phase too long especially in just focusing on aesthetics, it's How how can I now apply? This these muscles that I've acquired and how how are they functioning as opposed to just how big and You know veiny and in vascular. Yeah, you know, it's funny is that when I was younger I remember obviously my goal is I wanted to get big right wanted to build muscle and then and this is one piece of performance performance encompasses like everything that has to do with how you move and stuff, but I remember These power lifters as I was a kid. I was a young kid and they told me you want to get big They said if you get if you just get stronger You're gonna get bigger. Don't worry about anything else. Just get stronger right now And you're gonna build that muscle and I did I just focus and it was like God It was that summer. I think I gained like 15 pounds of muscle because I listened to what they says Okay, I'm just gonna get strong and see what happens and it blew away the results I had before where I was just focused on you know, oh, I got to make myself look a particular way You know made a big difference. I don't know if I fully agree I mean you're implying that if you train like an athlete you could look like an athlete not necessarily but Well, let me put it this way if you only train for performance You're probably gonna get a great deal of aesthetics if you only train for aesthetics Think of all the people you know only train for look. Yeah, I see what you said. That's why I don't agree with that I think that there's a lot of kids. There's a lot of adults too that are Training like athletes in hopes that they're going to look like athletes that never get to that place because their diet So fucked and or their performance training sucks. Well, okay All things being performance in athletics I would agree with athletic training wise but performance wise in terms of like, you know compound lifts and considering more of a holistic You know functional type of training versus yeah, cuz I do agree People that try to to do these explosive movements like athletes and everything It doesn't always present, you know The greatest physique and also you get a lot of issues and problems in that direction because that's the extreme of You know what we're talking about. So it's but in terms of the opposite end of that, you know I would consider if that's your entire focus is just to build up your aesthetics like you, you know, you may be Diminishing a lot of the quality of your movement as a whole. Yeah, I agree Yeah, and I agree that Training a lot the training like to look a certain way More often than not leads to poor movement A lot of bodybuilders including myself when I went through the competing years some of my worst Movement patterns came from Training like a meathead because all I cared about was how I looked not how I performed And so you neglect a lot of the exercises and movements that That helped with that and I wasn't doing it because it didn't it didn't give me the biggest bang for my buck When it came to building my shoulders or my chest So I agree with the statement on that side But I I don't look you got the context has to okay Obviously all things being equal right you can't have a crappy diet trying a particular way expect to look better That's not what I'm saying what I'm saying is all things being created equal If you if you always are focused on looks eventually and I'm talking about longevity speaking Eventually you're gonna lose your ability to do certain exercises You develop aches and pains your move will start your movement quality will start to decline and what follows that Well, now you're starting to lose your aesthetics versus taking care of your ability to move working on ranges of motion Doing exercises that have the most bang for the buck. That's what I mean by when I say performance So, you know, I'm glad he said what you said Justin because it's not just the aesthetics when I'm saying performance I mean it in the general holistic sense Yeah, and I think too you got to consider like objective and subjective type of feedback and how you're how you're evaluating All of that right so, you know, there's a lot more objective type of data in terms of like is my strength increasing I could see that when I'm training more for performance You know versus like am I am I gaining the kind of size and shape and you know, like there's a lot more Well, the subject my point is this there's a there's a hell of a lot more people that are interested in what your Professional athletes are doing and are trying to emulate what they're doing and that are failing and not getting the results They want then the people that are trying to emulate what bodybuilders are doing There's a much smaller group of people that look up to bodybuilders and train that way Then there are kids and people that look at professional athletes like Tom Brady and want to know. What is he doing diet wise? What is he doing training wise? I'm gonna follow that. No, that's the wrong team. Obviously, you still got to train Right for your body. I know but I'm just thinking that that statement that you're saying is meant to be A statement and then we talk about it. It's part of the can be can be true But I think that you're missing a bigger portion of people who you're communicating to because somebody hears performance at athletic training and they think Train like an athlete. That's what people hear. They hear that. They don't think your guys is textbook definition of it If you do your way off, okay, how do you train like an athlete? Do you copy another athletes routine? Most people? Yes, that's not what you do. Well, that's my point though. Exactly. That's my and that's good I'm glad you're saying that you you still have to train appropriately for your body. So this is all gonna be very individual So this doesn't mean follow someone else's routine. That's inappropriate You're gonna follow a pro NFL players routine It's very specific to that individual what they're trying to accomplish their history their body They're their position on the field like all that stuff. That's wrong but if you train yourself and your focus is Movement and performance You're more likely to get the longevity with your aesthetics than if it's only always on aesthetics This is true for even though also your influencers and your IG people and your magazine cover people and like not just bodybuilders But you know all these like aesthetically good-looking people like they apply their routine, which is completely wrong Yes, I mean there's no doubt. It's on both sides But yeah, when you think of general population of people out there sports It has such a huge influence on kids and people and the way they train That's why that's why they always go get some athlete and they put them on the front cover or some movie star Yeah, and it sells and it sells to millions not a few hundred people Very you walk up to ten people on the street randomly and ask them to name You know five bodybuilders and they won't be able to tell you but name five professional athletes You want to look like and I bet you they can do that. You're right. You're right But I think it's a mistake to take Performance and say it's it's how this professional athlete plays. That's what performance is no Here's what I'm talking about. It's for performance for my grandma is Hey grandma, let's see if we can get you to walk down the street versus just halfway up Yeah, you've improved your performance or my dad. Hey dad. I know your back hurts when you bend over So improve your performance. Let's see if we can get you to bend over further if this without pain Yeah, can you lift like that's what I mean by performance is your ability to perform better move better better ranges of motion less pain stronger more connected if you improve upon those metrics and keep that in focus You're gonna get longevity and you're gonna get of course all things being equal You'll get a great deal of aesthetics on the other side if I just if it's like oh, I'm just gonna focus on my weight I'm just gonna focus on how ripped I get or how how I look in the mirror Which Justin made a great point so subjective if you have any type of body image issue, which most people do You know hold a little bit of water hold a you know less water You know lighting is different. I don't feel so good about myself today Boy is my opinion gonna change drastically based on that. I mean how many times have you had a client? Look at a picture of themselves five years prior and say oh my god I looked amazing, but I remember in that picture. I thought I looked so terrible versus performance Which is very objective. I was able to squat more weight or I was able to Do this with an inch deeper position with more control or my form looks so much better Well, we all agree that that's the most healthy approach towards fitness period is is is looking at your performance How you perform in the gym opposed to how you look like totally, you know paying attention to how you look It's it's a hard one right because you want you don't want to tell people. Hey you can't Have a goal to look better or you can't have a goal to get abs You can't like you don't want to tell us the majority of what they're coming in there for right Yeah, you just I think the idea is to just to warn them where that potentially could lead if that is your main focus And it's a much healthier approach to to look at movement over that but I think performance for a lot of people just translates to athletic ability and I think that athletes Are the first thing that people look to I think it's one of the biggest one of the biggest problems that are in the Space is that you've got professional athletes that people aspire to be like whether they like them as a person or they Love their team and they like the way they look and so they try and follow that and they think that this Oh, this is performance is what they would mind pump meant when they said train for performance is to do that Yeah, you know along those lines the extremes are usually not the best and I don't care what pursuit you're after right So if I look at the extreme Performance in terms of strength. I may look at you know 350 pound powerlifter You know a strong man. Yeah, or a strong man, right? And that is extreme performance, but I think in those extreme cases you lose a lot You know of the other stuff right extreme endurance runner or extreme muscle hypertrophy or any of that stuff so I think this is in the context of overall general and for that individual and if your goal like I used to tell us this took me a long time to Figure out but when I got to the point where I remember where I said, oh, you know my clients I said, you know what here's what I want you to do I want you to go to the gym and practice these exercises Just get better at these exercises and then the results are gonna follow. Don't worry about hammering your legs Get better at squatting for example. Don't worry about you know blasting your shoulders I want you to get really good at overhead pressing I want you to get really good, you know at doing these suspension trainer W's or whatever And when they would do that and they'd go in with that focus It was like everything else fell into place Versus when they would go to the gym and say, oh, I got a look better I got a more I want to hammer my claws or I want to hammer my glutes Well, it just seems that that with that mentality the goalpost just keeps moving and like you said like you it That's why sometimes you'd like to take your client back and be in and show them like look how far you've you've got you know and like a lot of times they have to like visually see that because they just Look at themselves currently at where they're at and where the flaws are It's it's always like looking at their body in terms of where the flaws are and it's it just never seems like it's achievable Yeah, it isn't because they're not addressing the root cause that's why the goalpost keeps moving because it's really an insecurity issue It's not really a 10 pound or 20 pound. There's nothing that'll fill that hole That's right. It's it's a it's a bottomless pit because you think you look at yourself in the mirror and go Oh, I hate the way I look I just need to lose 30 pounds You lose the 30 pounds and then you're in the boat you're saying right now And that's because the the problem wasn't the 30 pounds You didn't address the real problem first and so it'll just it'll just keep moving that goalpost Hey, if you enjoyed that clip you can find the full episode here or you can find other clips over here and be sure to subscribe