 We don't have all the information. I don't have all the information. What can I say for sure? Well, I know a clown when I see a clown and this guy is a bit of a clown. Let's go back to when you were talking about how it's all right and straining this guy. There he is, leaning back, legs are swinging out there, the hat's on, the hat's off. There's somebody who's had some training and they feel confident about it and they're applying themselves confidently. Sure, they've got it wrong, but they're applying themselves confidently. If they felt any unconfidence, they might go, you know what? I'm not sure about this. I'm going to break this interview right now. I'm going to have a chat to some people. This guy, I think he knows this isn't right. He's just throwing ideas at this guy. Because why not? Why not throw some mud at a wall and see whether it sticks and it's sticking? Because the guy's going, I don't know, I don't remember. I don't remember that at all. It's a world of possibility and we have somebody here who is very open to that possibility.