 Hello, welcome to Toffy TV, this is the Toffy TV Everson podcast, me and Kam are back and today we are joined by the one, the only, the legend, Paul Nealyn from Irish Football Fan TV. How are you mate? I'm good, good off the back of an international break where obviously Ireland didn't get beaten so it's new and straight back into talking about everything, how are you boys? I'm not too bad are you Kam? Yeah and I'm alright, it's settling in now isn't it, it's been a bit of a manic last week or so, I think last time we'd done a podcast we'd just finished the season and we were saying how excited we were for the future and the summer with Carlo Ancelotti and obviously a lot of things have changed since then but overall in general life I'm not too bad, I can't really complain. Yeah well just before we get on to the obvious elephants in the room obviously I've not spoke for you for a while Paul but just before we get on to anything that's been going on the past couple of weeks what was your overall feelings or reactions on the last season just gone I suppose? Well just kind of overall at the start of the season obviously we started really well and it was looking like you know we were actually going to kick on and really you know look like a team that could get into the top four obviously we had hammers and all the things kind of going well for us and we were scoring I think against West Brom and it wasn't a bright and we got four and both of those games and we were looking like we were actually going to be a good side this season and then after I suppose a few weeks kind of leading into October, November everything kind of went whoop whoop whoop whoop. Like that typical Everton style and then obviously then coming into November onto the Christmas time then and I was actually feeling we had a period and I think we had to face Leicester, Chelsea, Arsenal and so on I was really worried about how we were going to pick up points there and I think Carlo showed his you know tactical masterclass in those games to be able to get results against those teams and that put us in a really good position but I think overall kind of if you look at the things we were always missing key players a key times like I think two injuries and stuff like that like Alan going out of the team was a huge miss and then when he went out and then when he came back into Coray was out and there's just things like that kind of constantly happening and we were trying to fill holes constantly throughout the course of the season. I still you know obviously if you're looking at the season overall it was really really impressed with Ben Godfrey I thought he came in there and he played all across the back four and done really really well and I think he was probably one of the highlights of if you look at it overall in terms of wherever you came in. He was probably the highlight of a bad season overall even though there was good moments if you're judging our season that we were going to finish 10th I still would have said at the start of last season that that's a bad season overall. Can you class that down to injuries? I'm not sure because obviously away from home we were brilliant then at home we were terrible and it's just a really weird season overall and every time that I think Gary Neville had said it as well that every time we were expected to go and win a game that could put us into a good position for the European players we battled it every single time and then when we weren't supposed to win we would win. It was just such a bizarre kind of scene of state of affairs throughout the course of the season and even the players that we brought in in January I thought we could have really strengthened in January to bring in players to help us get us over the line at least into the top six because at one stage at that point after Christmas we were looking like we could be there about to come to the end of the season and then we got Josh King in who didn't really do much and that's kind of where we are. Well you mentioned then about finishing 10th I suppose you know being the highest point scorer in team to finish 10th. If you said to me before this season like you said if you finished 10th it would be a bad season and I suppose it was a bad season but then to come down to the last day where you could have finished 7th had results gone our way obviously but we could have done a better ourselves couldn't really done much worse. And then to finish 10th after being around you know the top six top seven all season at a point thinking we could get Champions League and then another point it's impossible to drop out of Europe here and then so I suppose like to simplify the whole season we've basically got this squad that's built from five different managers, five different sets of players. They're not like all one type of styler players, they've got all different types of players. There's no like for like players so we had a lot of injuries of course. I don't think there was anyone in our start in 11 who didn't have some sort of short to long term injury. So I think Carlo coming in, Carlo's not a type of manager to try and implement his philosophy and put this playing style in. He looked at the squad and thought we're best at defending with these players so let's just play this type of defensive type of football. And maybe I wouldn't say he got the best out of the players because I think he made some questionable decisions, I will talk about them later. But yeah, I'll ask you, do you think Carlo got the best out of these players Cameron? It's a difficult one for me and it's been a difficult season because we've seen it all over the last week or so since Carlo's left. There's been a lot of, ah the football was awful anyway and it wasn't great to watch and we weren't that great last season anyway. And you're sort of on one and you're like well yeah that's right the football was dreadful at times and we lost some games that we shouldn't be losing. Like Paul said there, Gary never alluded to it a number of times. He said if I was a Nevitonian I'd be absolutely frustrated watching the 17 because in the games that you think right okay you know get over the line and get the three points and you'll be riding there. We always sort of seem to fall to bits. But then on another hand you know two weeks ago before all the Angelotti stuff come to fruition we were sort of sitting there going well 59 points. You know it was the best points we've had since Ronald Coomans season where he finished 7th only the second best since David Moy's left the football club. Of course one of them being Roberto Martin as a season with all identified that the squad and the level of players in the squad just isn't good enough and we need serious, serious investment. So there was one element I think where we said maybe Carlo did get the best of this group, maybe Carlo did get the best out of these players. Our away form obviously was absolutely fantastic and we were winning the games like Paul said that you're sort of thinking we probably wouldn't win and we were losing the games that you were thinking we would win. But like you said the football wasn't great and some of the home performances were uttered dreadful. I just think it all sort of makes a little bit more sense now with Carlo leaving. I think there was certain games and certain performances which just showed a lack of any real sort of passion or fight or care. If you like for lack of a better word you know there was times when the players and the manager on the sideline just looked like they weren't really interested and they weren't really focused on the task ahead. That was really disappointing because there was a whole handful of those games certainly towards the back end of the season like you said. There was points where it was impossible to finish out at the top six or seven. We were tenth was like yeah no chance we're never finishing tenth and I know we were only within a couple of points away from seventh and etc. But it's just evident to get 59 points in any other season. It would get you around six, seven to the European football and in this season it's got an evident tenth. But it's a bit of a mad one because you can look at it both ways. You can say Carlo Encelotti wasn't the greatest for Evan and didn't get an awful lot out of these players. But I think we have to start looking at the players and thinking what more can we get out of it. I think we have to do it ourselves doing it yesterday sitting on the steam going. Graham Potter has done a brilliant job with Brighton and what they've got. Imagine what he could do with what Evan can go and they have to sit back and go well actually Evan hasn't really got much either to be honest with you. It's not like our team is better than Brighton and we've got more quality but it's not like we're sitting here going we've got all of these world class players we haven't. We still need five or six players in the summit as well as a manager and there's no hiding that. It was an up and down rollercoaster season as it typically always is with Evan but now we've got to have a fresh start and hopefully we've been going to manage it like you said before. That allows Marcel Brans to do his job and that job is directing the football and that then automatically gets rid of this whole having five different types of groups of players from four or five different managers. I think as well we said there about getting the best out of class. I think there was moments like obviously when we beat Liverpool in Anfield and when you win an Arsenal and stuff like that. He did get the best out of players and I do think a lot of them are limited like you look at players like a woby or even frustrates me if you just mentioned his name. Just players like that and you're just looking and going like he's there moaning throughout the course of the season that he doesn't get played in his best position. He never told them and you're just like for me kind of looking in some cases I can see why Carlo left because you're dealing with players like that and Bernard and these types of players. And you're just like well hang on I can go and work with Eden Hazard at least. I know he hasn't been too well for a manager but you know what I mean like he can work with these types of players and be probably giving a decent budget to bring in top quality players and then he's kind of working with this and I'm sure we're going to touch on the management. But I just want to say that obviously he did provide us with good moments over the course of the season maybe collectively it wasn't amazing but he did kind of break a few curses as well. Well being at Real Madrid he's now working with players that he used to be working with he's able to say, obviously we've seen the phrase in the past few days, he's able to say to some of these players just go and play. But with Everton the man management is totally different and I suppose you know the season ended and we spoke on the podcast a few weeks ago, let's just get some plays in that and more suited to him. And we thought we can only really go one way and that's up and obviously news comes out two weeks ago yesterday wasn't it that he left his role. Paul what was your where was your how did you how did you first find out that he was leaving if not already left what was your initial reaction? I saw on Twitter I think someone had actually tweeted Baz and Peth and they'd said what's going on where the last I think Baz was on holidays or something and he just goes oh we're well aware of the situation but I'm away on holidays. And then I kind of was like what because I didn't like small little rumors and it was just kind of trickling trickling trickling down into the next day it became more apparent and then it kind of grew legs and then it really kind of went from there. I was heartbroken I'm not going to lie because you know in my lifetime and I'm sure you use the same we've never really had a world-class manager managing our club like we've had you know Cuman was a world-class player but he wasn't a world-class manager. Maritinas wasn't world-class moys obviously I suppose given us the best times of our lives as Evertonians definitely me anyway but if you kind of look at that it's our glory days that was. Yeah basically and it's not a lot of glory in those glory days you know as well but like looking at we had a world-class manager as I said there was signs in certain games that you know we were we showed up we can do better and we were hoping then. If maybe Carla gets three four players in this transfer window maybe gets rid of you know some of the deadwood that's been sitting there on the bench and stuff like that because I know we've been trying to get rid of an ad and these types of players. So I was hoping that we'd get rid of them and bring in Carlos players and I think I was watching just before we came on I was watching the video that Baz did but I think Dave and I can't remember his name with the husk. He was sitting on the couch Keith yeah sorry and he was saying that like like in a lot of cases with negotiations and stuff like that like Carlo did hold the cards there and a lot of players that lure of playing for Carlo and Loddy as well that's gone now too so all these kind of things were creeping into my into my head and I was just like I was actually really disappointed I actually was I hadn't been that sad in the long. Well I say sad but I was really down about it because I you know I really did start taking to him. I believed everything he said I loved his press conferences because he seemed to really love the club and I would watch everything he did and you know I'd hang on every word he said because he just kind of had that thing about him he had that bit of bit like Tina's where you kind of had that way about him where you kind of you liked him as well as obviously he was your manager and you liked the way he kind of embraced the football club and I did think it you know he did seem to take to the football club as well but maybe you know looking back on some of the things he said maybe that was just to kind of get people over the line with him as well you know so yeah ultimately I was just I was quite sad I actually had a number of people texting me just kind of you are right like so that kind of just shows how much I really liked him you know. Yeah and I suppose it's the first manager that's left since David Moyes that we haven't wanted to leave really and most of us didn't want to and even then when Moyes it was felt like it's been 11 years you know he's took us as far as he really probably can given the set. We always finished below the teams that you'd expect to finish above us because I would lack of finances and it just come from like we were sat here playing FIFA weren't we and life was gone. Peds came in said oh Carlos going and I was just like what? It just blew up from nowhere didn't it so but I said to Badge yesterday we've got a director of football now he should be the director of football and for the past three years he's not really, he hasn't been really, he's done a good job getting players out the door and all that people haven't, the signings haven't been great that he's brought in. Obviously all the players haven't been his. So do you think now he's been given a new three year deal? Let him be in complete control, make the signings, let him go and find a manager who can suit the players that he's bringing in rather than getting a manager who wants his own players and then it's mixed with the players that Brandon's signing. And the manager doesn't work out then you start with a manager of players again. So do you think in a way Carlo leaving can improve that you know the situation where Marcel Brand has taken over because obviously Carlo would want his own players and then Marcel Brands would be bringing players in and it's all over last season what Hammers and Alan Decorio was more on Marcel Brand signing. Do you think this gives an opportunity for Marcel Brand to take complete control so that you can them? Yeah, he's got to, I mean just to touch on Carlo again before we go into Marcel Brands, pause it there before Carlo held all the cards in this situation and he did and there was, I think the athletic put a statement out last week which said that there was a clause in Carlo Angelotti's contract which said that if certain clubs coming for him he could just walk with no compensation, no issues, no questions and I really don't like that whatsoever and I know the flip side of that argument is well if that clause wasn't in his contract we probably wouldn't have got Carlo Angelotti in the first place and that's fine. But you can't be having clauses in contact that say that if a certain team comes in for you with no hesitation, with no compensation, with no argument you can just walk because how are you meant to get stability from that? How are you meant to get any sort of consistency? How are you meant to bring in a manager that's here for the long run that's fully committed to the project and that the board are fully committed to? If you've gone in the back of your mind that if anyone I have decent comes in for him here he can walk without even having to contact us, he can just go without no issue whatsoever. So that really stuck in me for others that didn't like it whatsoever and I hope the club never put that type of clause in anyone's contract again because for me it's ridiculous, it's stupid, you shouldn't be having a clause which says that if a certain club comes in for you you can walk without no issue because how are you meant to get any sort of consistency? And how are the board or anyone and everyone and other players meant to completely follow this manager if they know, well maybe if somebody come in for him that he could walk without any issue, he'd go straight away. But on brands now absolutely he's got to be given full control. Now I mean he said before you know Martial Brand has been here for three years now and I know that and others a few Evertonians or a section of Evertonians that aren't happy with Martial Brand and don't believe he's done a good enough job and that's fine. That's fair enough everybody's entitled to their own opinion but you know and this is why we come on the channel, this is why Paul's on with us, this is why me and Ned sit down, this is why Bas and Pett sit down, everyone's entitled to their own opinion but with this situation the club have given Martial Brands a new three-year contract so what we think of Martial Brands is sort of, it's not irrelevant because we all should have our opinions and we should let them opinions be known but to the club it doesn't really matter at the moment because they've just given him a new contract, they've just put their trust in the faith in Martial Brands for another three years so he's there now for the long run whether you like him or not, he's going to be there and if he's going to be here for another three years he has to be allowed to do his job. You can't be having a director of football coming in and them just acting like a negotiator or an advisor to Fardab Meshiri, he's not an advisor to Fardab Meshiri, Fardab Meshiri's brought Martial Brands in because Fardab Meshiri isn't a footballer man, he's a very clever businessman and he's done a lot for the football club in regards to that but he's not a footballer man, Bill Kenright is not a footballer man, he's a businessman, he's a money man, he knows what he's doing with that. Martial Brands is the footballer man, you bring a director of football in to direct the football, that's his role and that means he should be fair, whoever comes in as manager it should be Martial Brands' choice, whoever comes in in terms of playing staff it should be Martial Brands' choice. Yes he can work with the new manager, absolutely fine, that's why that new manager needs to be able to have a relationship with Martial Brands but ultimately the final decision is down to him because Martial Brands has stayed in this ship or at least he should be staying in this ship. He should be running the football club when you think of Everton and he's running Everton, you look at the manager and you think right he trains the players, the players do the job but when you look at who runs Everton Football Club the first name that comes in to all of our heads should be Martial Brands, he's the director of football, he makes the decisions, not Fardab Meshiri and I do think there's been an element in the last three years of maybe Fardab Meshiri or other members of the board sticking their head in a little bit and saying well now I'm gone I want this type of player so go out and buy this type of player or I want him to come in as manager so we'll go out and get him rather than just saying to Martial Brands. Listen this is your job, who do you want to bring in, who do you think is right for the job and also Bars said it last week I was watching one of the streams last week and Bars said if you give everything to Martial Brands and you allow him to make every decision then he's accountable for those decisions then we can sit here in the summer and go we know Martial Brands brought in, Christof Galtier, we know Martial Brands brought in, Graham Potter, we know Martial Brands brought in, this right winger, that right back, this centre in the field there so of those players or those managers aren't successful you look at Martial Brands and go that's down to him. That's your responsible for that because you brought them in. If everything go and bring in a manager now and for some what we've found out that it wasn't Martial Brands' decision and he didn't really have a choice in it and it was down to Meshiri or Cameronite then how can we seriously sit here and put any blame on Martial Brands if he hasn't made that decision. We can't so let him make those decisions put the trust in him like the club have done that he'll make the right decisions and if he doesn't he's accountable for that and then we address that when it happens but you can't have a director of football in place mate if you're not going to let him stay at the ship and make the footballing decisions otherwise there's no point he's just an advisor. Well if you let Martial bring the signings in and then you let Farad pick a manager, Farad's not got a footballing, like you said he's not a footballing manager so he doesn't know that. If Martial chooses the signings then you can find a manager who's had success with the same type of players you're bringing in and obviously we've been linked with a few managers over the past week or two. A few? Quite a lot. Paul watch your thoughts on some of the managers that's been knocking round on obviously all social media there's been quite a few names heavily linked and some not so heavily but talked about anyway so watch some of your thoughts on some of the links. Well just on what Cam said there about Marcel Brands, I don't think that Carlo Ancelotti would have been his choice manager I think that was Machirri's choice and again if you look at some of the players that maybe Carlo brought in I don't think they were Brands' choices or targets to bring in either. I can understand why we got them and they did too well this season I totally understand that but like you say it has to be a manager who can come in and if you look at all the other clubs out there who are doing well recruitment wise you never hear of their director of football or whatever they're all in the background. I don't know Liverpool, Manchester City, I don't know any of their director of football or if I've heard them you're very rarely hear of them you just think OPEPS made those sounds you know what I mean. But we need to get a manager in who I look at someone like Brendan Rogers who's gone to Leicester and he works with their director of football and I'm sure like they've got recruitment right how many seasons now. You know you could say okay they bottled four plays two years in a row but they still won a cup and they're still there they're about and they're building something. They've built a new training ground and stuff like that they seem like a club on the rise but he's gone there. It didn't really work out that well at Liverpool for him he went to Celtic Dunwell there and then went back to Leicester then. By the way I'm not looking for Rogers to come in there but I look at some of the managers that are linked. You've got Conte again are you going down the Carlow route with that where you could get me in but would he want a clause where he has to get out and leave if he event this or someone like that come in for him. It's all well and good being linked and I think that's the pride in us now having had Carlow we all are like oh well we want the next best thing because it sounds cool or it looks cool. He was a serial winner when he had great players and every club he's been at he's a great player in the squad like Carlow as well. I think it would be a similar kind of choice if that was what we were going for. I don't think we'll get him either way I don't really want him he seems to come in places and just rip everything up and leave then after a couple of seasons. That's not what we need because we'd be sat here two years time the exact same situation as we're in now going oh he's left who we get in. Then you look at Nuno he's a good manager and he obviously took Wolves up and had a lot of players in there he's got a good a lot of pull there with Portuguese players and stuff like that. I was listening to Matt Artie in a press conference there at the Ireland camp and he was speaking about him and his staff or all world class and stuff like that. Maybe he would be a good choice but again then you're just changing around everything. You look at a lot of these players that are already in the club like whoever comes in will have to work with a lot of these players and won't be able to bring in a load of there. Players you know what I mean like I know a couple of players speak Portuguese in the squad of Charles Andrew Gomez Bernard and but the likelihood has been out probably going to be gone as well. So that's one less Portuguese speaking player but I look at Nuno he doesn't feel me with someone who's going to be there long term. You know if it goes well for a couple of years you know does he then go off go on somewhere or will he be in it for four or five years which I think is what we need is someone who can be there for that long. Take us into the new stadium and obviously do well from there. In some ways kind of like the way Pochettino was with Spurs for a bit he stayed there for a number of years. There was a continuity there and he was able to bring in players like that. Again I'm not calling for Pochettino but I honestly I look at Big Dunk and I think he knows the players and you know you might laugh or whatever but I just think why not give him a go because he knows the club inside out. So he knows the players and I think he would work with brands and I just I don't see it like people are like oh but he's inexperienced. Well how do you get the experience if you're not going to be there. I appreciate we had Unsworth in the role and that didn't really work out but you never know how that could have turned around because he actually did win 5-1 against West Ham and then Sam came in taking all the credit for that result when actually it was Unsworth. Anyway for me at this stage looking at all the managers there's no one there that makes me go wow we need to get him. So for me I would go with Duncan like again out of the list of candidates who else like Moeys if he came back. I know look we have that sentiment thing obviously as we said and that's probably all that is. I think him coming back I don't see it going too well. It's funny because he still has players there from his time like Coleman still there from his time there. But like if you brought in big dunk right and then maybe some experienced assistant manager and then you already have Baines on the coach and staff and who knows maybe you can get like Jags or someone like that in on the coach and staff as well. And then you have players who have been in and around understand the ethos of the club the history all that type of stuff. And then you have players like Coleman who are drilling a home in the dressing room day in day out as well. But you know I just think that Duncan is the right fit because he would actually work with brands and he could bring in assignments but I do ultimately think that the book stops with Marcel Brands and I think he has to make that decision. I don't think Masherry should be you know buttoning in and as Cam said he's a businessman and that's why his job is brands is to football man and he should be making the decision on OK who could I get in because if he brings it like for all we know behind the scenes Angelotti and Brands could have hated each other. You know they had a good relationship but they were forced to work together whereas if Brands has a relationship with someone and he can bring them in and then they can work you know agree on players and identify players and bring them in because that's what we need. We need to kind of work. We're not going to be Man City. We're not going to be Liverpool. We're not going to be Manchester United or Chelsea. We're going to be more of the Leicester for now to try and build us to that next step. I think anyway maybe even a kind of on course with Spurs in some sense we need to kind of take that approach to get to the next step in my opinion. Well you look at Leal. You won't look at them still like PSG but they just won the league and you mentioned a few managers there and they're all. Sorry I went on a bit. Well yeah they're all very contrasting managers but they're all managers we've been linked with aren't they. And you mentioned Antonio Conte there and the first one and he's just won the Serie A the Italian League. So he would be coming in and he'd be demanding a lot because he'd want I'm not coming in here for the long term to spend five years here to get you into Europe a Champions League. I wanted to get you a Champions League in the first season. I petted with City so I want the demand play. I wanted to have the financial capability because of FFP and P&L and we're in that situation because of years of terrible recruitment under different managers. And then Manuno is just another manager we've had before isn't it the same sort of CV done if this would be like a step up for him. It's a perfect job for Nuno. It looked like he was going to get the palace job not so much now at the moment I've recorded him. Stand or show his level net. Yeah exactly if he does go to palace on everything I've turned him down then it just shows isn't it. But he's just another manager where he's done well with it like a coom in myself I'm too much as a wiggin who got relegated. I know we won the FA Cup. Silver did well with Watford for a while until we were linked with him. He turned out through a bit of a tantrum and the club blamed us didn't they. Yeah they do for everything Watford. Watford lose a game in blame haven't they. Yeah exactly and then for Duncan you mentioned Duncan there why not give him a go with it. I understand why people wouldn't but people are coming at like people said to me you only want him because he's a manager or because he's a manager because he's an ex-player whatever. Let's just take the fact that he's an ex-player out of this situation it's not a sentimental thing. I've done the Ferguson's not the same man as he was as a player it's not like I want him in charge because he's all the passion. He's the most experienced coach in the Premier League he's been assistant coach under Carlo for 18 months. He's been working 70 hours a week for like 10 years as a coach. He's done all his coaching he's done the highest level coaching badges and he knows the club. If we bring a new manager in now like you said they'd be looking you know looking at you know I don't know Bernard Gomez won't have a look at these won't know. Duncan knows the squad he knows what we need he can work with Marcel Brands because they both know what we need. He knows the capabilities of our squad he knows the limits of our squad so and I mean if he doesn't then he'd have to go down to... I mean Bob would you have took McAllar-Tetter before he went to Arsenal and before we got Carlo having been having a couple years under Pep Guardiola because I know a lot of people would. Yeah I actually you know it's going to sound weird but at the start when we got Carlo I was thinking should we maybe have got our Tether and it actually kind of went like that really didn't it. I mean both really didn't work out if you're kind of looking at it. I mean yeah I look at Duncan as well and you remember when he was my manager like he wasn't afraid to make big big decisions he brought. I'm always keen off to come off again you know he wasn't afraid to make big decisions and you know I've been there a couple of seasons ago I was in the Finch Farm and I went in and Big Dunk was in there with the kit man and he was like just buzzing off the kit man and then we went in and he was in the gym and he was just all over the place and he was just working with the younger players and you know chatting with everyone and stuff like that. For me he's the perfect candidate in terms of if you want someone who knows the club but the only thing is it's just you know over a long term season how would he do or whatever. But you know if we did get Duncan and he's willing to work with brands players okay maybe it doesn't work out for a year please God it does but if it doesn't work out a year we're sitting here in a year's time and we can maybe look at it in another manager but we're not worrying about recruiting because we have someone who's willing to work with brands and signings and then you can bring in a manager that can identify like that. So that's kind of I think what you get with Big Dunk as well and look for you know how many managers has he worked with while he's been at the club so he would have picked up different things from all of them as well. I mean was he there with Martinez, Cuman? Yeah he's definitely here with Cuman. David Mo is giving him a job in the coaching staff a bit lower down and he ended up under Martinez and he didn't have much influence until he was under Carlo was he obviously. He came in when Marcus Silver got the sack after a 5-2 defeat at Anfield which was awful. But you should have got the sack after a 2-0 defeat at Anfield. Exactly and then just a couple of days later don't go in because I'm going to play 4-4-2. It's Chelsea, isn't it? Yeah I'm going to play it this way which shows he didn't really have much influence obviously Marcus Silver didn't care much for what he said. He turned Dominic Cavill around, he went to United with six plays out. Obviously the Chelsea game he ran more than any other team so he ran for like the last ten years and then he went to United with players out and he said I'm going to get Holgate in midfield because I want to and we got a really good draw. Obviously he said he took Mo's Keen off which is he got the Cajones to make a big decision to try and get us a point and why shouldn't he? So I think I'm not saying Carlo should be the man because I understand my people, Carlo. I understand my dunking should be the man but I understand why people have the doubts about him. But there's risks with every manager, isn't there? And I think there'll be less risks with putting Duncan in charge, me personally. But I understand my people wouldn't want dunk. I think what I would say as well is the whole list of managers that we've been linked with, whether you look at the betting odds, whether you look at whether you just get yourself a list together. There's not one sort of name on there that every single one of us has given, every single name. No one sticks out. That's it. Every single name splits opinion and we're coming out of a situation where I remember when Carlo Ancelotti was first linked and we were in some similar situations what we're in now. Whereas it was David Moise and I think Paolo Fonseca who was linked and Eddie Howe and we were all sort of sitting there going there's positives to him, there's negatives to him. Nobody really had a, you know there wasn't a solid candidate that everybody was like yeah go and get him and then Carlo Ancelotti come from sort of nowhere because he's just being sacked by Napoli and everyone was like right on to Carlo. And then when we got him it was a big field. The fact that we were sort of in that situation we were then, but before Carlo became available we were sort of just looking at names. And you look at Nuno and you think he's got his positives but he's got his negatives as well. Paolo Fonseca apparently walked away from him because of the issue with backroom staff and him wanting to bring in quite a lot of backroom staff. And when their contacts accepted there was a rumour that there was the same reason, Evan walked away a couple of days ago. You've got Eddie Howe, some people are for him, some people are against him getting parted in the same Duncan Ferguson, in the same fashion some fans had loved him. The Duncan Ferguson rumour is like marmite isn't it? You're either well in for it or you're well against it and I've seen that myself doing this to you in the comments. You get one person who's like yeah 100% give it to Duncan the person underneath like oh my god now it'll be the worst thing ever which it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be but I understand the concerns. One team you mentioned before Paolo was Lill and then obviously going on and that PSG to the title first time PSG. I haven't won the Ligun for a decade and their manager obviously Christophe Galtier has been linked with Evan over the last 24 hours so really mad because last week he'd agreed a deal in principle to join Nice and a team like that one was sort of off the cards for Evan whereas I think Lewis Campos who is Lill's former director of football or sport and director has come out and said he'd be a perfect fit for Evan and he'd be able to compete in England and I think what we've seen over 24 hours don't know if you've seen it yourself on Twitter Paul is that everybody's sort of coming together for Galtier now as there's been videos of him doing rolly poleys on the side of the pitch and Lill's score going into the dressing room jumping on tables and everyone sort of switched their attention and I don't think I've seen an Evertonian who's been against the Galtier side and not that it's going to happen again it's purely at the moment just speculation like the other 45 links to 45 different managers. 45? But even more probably more. Galtier might be looking at Evan and going well yeah I might be a perfect fit for them but not interested there don't want to go to the Premier League or Evan might be looking at Galtier going no I'm not interested in that but he has a name that seems to have rallied everybody up and gone. I don't know a thing about this fella I've never watched Lill but he's on the table in the dressing room going absolutely mad so I'll bring him in and obviously he's another name he was the flavour of the day yesterday he was linked with Everton and it'll probably be someone different today it'll be someone else later on today that we're talking about I think that's one real issue but it's not an ideal situation when out of the multiple different names we've been linked with there's not one that every Evertonian sort of goes yet we can get behind that obviously whoever comes in will all get behind and will all support whether it's somebody we wanted or somebody we didn't want we've got to get behind because we've got no choice what's the point and not getting behind a manager when the club has made that decision but there's not real one candidate that everyone's like yeah go and get him go and go for him because he's the right man for the job everyone's a bit like Are you sure you miss the same for the club as well? We've seen rumours in the board that one member of the board might want said manager and another member might want this manager we've seen Duncan Castle's coming out and saying Bill Cameron writes in favour of David Moyes o Roberto Martinez retaining which is a massive sort of stick in the throat because I think that's pure sentimental reasons it's not for reasons to benefit the club I've said it on the channel before on the podcast I think now then not on the podcast on the streams and you know people might disagree but I just don't think David Moyes works with Marcel Brands I think David Moyes is an old school manager somebody that comes in and basically manages the club, runs the club, steers that ship if you like makes the sign and sets out the style of play that's what he's been allowed to do at West Arm where there's Everton and needing more of a head coach because Marcel Brands is the fella that's steering the ship and if you were going to bring in David Moyes o Mays well they got rid of Marcel Brands in the summer but then you're there and you know Meshiri was talking about Nuno you've got various different members of the board that are more interested in Nuno, some Eddie House, some Graham Potter so it's all a bit Marcel Brands is a fan of Graham Potter so it's all a bit up in the air at the moment and that never helps does it when you've got everyone in the board can't agree on a name and the fan base can't agree on the name you're sort of just sitting there thinking whoever it's going to be with the exception of Gal Tia they would think would rally everybody together whoever it's going to be you're going to get a fan saying not happy with that Well at the time of recording yesterday Graham Potter was favourite two to one wasn't he? Paul thoughts on Graham Potter? Well from what I've heard you know I've had Aaron Connolly and a couple of Brighton lads on my channel and they seem to speak really highly of him and he seems to want to give you the chance he can obviously identify good players we've seen that the season with Pesuma, Lamte, a couple of other players as well that they've brought in He seems to fit the brand's mould I think if you watch Brighton a lot this season about the game we played against them I've seen them in a lot of games and they've been really really good but they probably just don't score enough and that's just been their only downfall I know a lot of goals in games and stuff like that but they've dominated teams that you wouldn't expect them to remember they were looking against Man United in one game with the final whistle gone and the VAR brought it back and they scored a penalty I think it was Fernandez But there was just games there where I was looking at and I was going this guy plays really good football and that's not afraid to promote youth and you know he's not afraid to I suppose play his own style and just see how it goes I think look if Brighton had won a few more games they probably would have been in a better position But such as the way the Premier League was this season had we seen where ourselves like you win a couple of games all of a sudden the season looks really rosy and you lose a couple of games and all of a sudden your season looks really bad which I think ultimately happened to us on the final day But would I be in favour, look if you got the job and brands was all for it you know you'd have to just get behind it wouldn't you I think there's no point if I ever gone other than maybe Aledais with any manager I've ever gone like I'm not getting behind this guy I think every other manager I think and I probably would speak for you as well and say you probably felt the same that you would have got behind every other manager and support them So look if he came in I would actually like after Big Dunk I would probably want Potter more than the rest because and what's the name of the little manager? Gal Tia Gal Tia I don't know enough like you said like a lot of people said on Twitter there I don't know enough about him but again if he came in I'd get behind him but for me the ones that I think make the most sense for me are the two that I mentioned but I wouldn't be against Potter whatsoever he'd be my second choice though Well he takes boxes doesn't he I agree with Paul as well by the way in regards to Gal Tia I made it sound like he was just a proper sentimental life dead emotional fella and he wasn't a great manager I think he took Leo from near enough relegation sort of certainly in and around those areas to champions within two three years he's worked with a director of football as well When he was at St Etienne before Leo their board spoke very highly of the relationship they had with him and the ability to work together but speaking to somebody today and they said that the reality is if Gal Tia was to come in or Potter as Paul said or anyone else the board would have to step up The board are going to need to step up either way no matter who it is because the board have got to match the ambitions of the manager and the director of football it's no good the board coming in or the manager coming in and the board saying well look if you finish 10 that's where we are usually every season so that will be alright No the board have got to pull the finger out as well but no I agree with everything you said Paul you think you should put on Do you think just done that and just with Potter you know I mentioned Brandon Rogers but he coined it in some ways with a bit of a model there Yeah I think with Potter or with Brandon Rogers with Potter Sorry similarities to Rogers Yeah definitely I think with Potter obviously because of where he's at and the thoughts of fans behind that there's a little bit of a ooh is he a risk but look there's no secret Brighton do play nice football Brighton work the ball around they pass the ball really well and they do lack that little bit of quality in the final third and they do lack that ability to finish chances that they're creating and if Brighton had a solid out and out goal scorer then they probably would have done a lot better in the Premier League last season and Gray and Potter certainly got certain ideas and ideologies of how he wants his teams to play football and I think he's got a sports psychologist degree as well which is just another sort of tool to add to the collection so yeah it's one of them isn't it you never sort of know he could come in and do an excellent job and within six months we might be sitting here saying oh my god you know I can't believe I never wanted this fella in the first place he's absolutely boss so he could be sitting here going this is too big of a job for him I think the reason his fans are a little bit some fans are a little bit put off is because of where Brighton are as a club and where Everton are and it just I think some fans sort of think you can do well at Brighton but Everton is a next level step up in terms of the size of the football club and will he be able to you know Brighton's ambition is probably to stay in the Premier League and play relatively alright football to suit the fans where there's Everton's is should be certainly to time breach into those European places and challenge at the top and can Gray and Potter be the man to do that but you know what I think I'm 50-50 with Gray and Potter I am but I wouldn't be he's not he's not the worst name on the list I don't think he's not the if he come in I could get behind him if he come in I could think well do you know what this is a man with certain philosophies he's a man who knows how he wants to play not his players know how he wants to play he got that across perfectly to Brighton and if you give him a little bit more quality than what he had at Brighton then maybe do a lot better but I also understand the you know the side of it was to say that you know he's Brighton's Brighton and Everton and Everton so it's a massive step up but again who knows whether it's just a rumour from the media or whether there's actually something solid in it Marcel Brands is in favour of Gray and Potter Marcel Brands has said to like him and you know seem to think that he rates I think it was the way of the athletic use he rates Gray and Potter so look as we just said before if Marcel Brands is happy with the manager then you know that's the decision that the man who directs the football has made then that's the decision we have to get behind isn't it well just before we finish Cameron if you were to choose he would be your man I have flip flopping every five seconds to be honest with you it's hard isn't it it is because one name comes into the list and then you're like I convinced myself over the last three days that new no spirit of santo wouldn't be a bad sign and then all the pile of stuff happened yesterday and then I was like yeah he'd be awful him I don't want to be crap and now obviously the pile of stuff isn't happening and it's like oh my god I'm not new no I'm Galtier to be honest if it's possible yeah I just seen the video of him jumping on the table and where he's took Leo from and how he's managed to work with the director of football or the sporting director and the board and how well they talk about him Listen if Galtier is Everton's man and Everton want to go out and sign him and Marcel Brands wants to go out and bring him in go and make a move now before Nice think we're going to have to kick ourselves to the bottom here because this fella could go elsewhere so we're going to put a better contract on the table do what they did with Ancelotti and think we don't really care who you've agreed to deal with in principle we don't really care where you're at now we want you so we're going to go out and get you but yeah again this could be a different situation and you know sorry he was linked miniature sorry he was linked two days ago he's just joined Latio today so again who knows what's going to happen but I'm still Oman an Aran but at this current moment I'm full on Christof Galtier Paul if you were to choose who would be your man obviously mentioned Dunk before but See I think the reason why I'm kind of hanging more so on Dunk and Grand Potter is because we've had so many managers coming in and we've all been kind of buzzing going on this is going to go so well and it hasn't so I kind of want the manager to come in with low expectations that can maybe punch above his weight and you know take us to a better place than I suppose all the managers have so that's kind of why I'm not like lulling over a Conte or maybe a Galtier but I think he's more realistic because you know Lill are more often than not kind of like a selling globe or feeder globe for the teams you know I think they won't today win the league the last time before PSG in like 2012 2011 I can't remember you won a prize I'm pretty sure they did and I think they Yeah so before that decade I think it was Lill who won it before them then or else it was Lill on one of the other but it was a really good side and they ended up selling a lot of them players off I think it was in that team kind of guy He did come from Lill before he went to us in Villa he went to Villa in what was it 14-15 I think it wasn't long after the I think he won the league and not long after he'd gone over but so they were you know a selling club considering as in Villa at the time were kind of like relegation area type team at that time So yeah sorry to go off on a bit of a tangent there but I think for me I just want to go I want to get big don't be just purely down to the fact that I think that if it didn't go amazing or to plan that we're not in a whole rebuild of bringing in a lot of people of players from a different manager and then we're six managers different players you know where I think if we have big don't he could bring in brand signings and then we might still be one step ahead of the way even if maybe results don't go the way or you know if it doesn't work out with don't which I hope obviously it would I think the same thing could be said for Potter so I think he would adapt to what brands wants as well and maybe if it didn't work out then we could kind of look at it throughout the course of the season but I think whoever it is should be given the first season to see how they get on and then you know the second season and see how they get on then and if it's not working out but I just don't want to be the club that keeps sack of managers and getting the same product because that seems to keep happening since Moys left yeah I'm with Paul but there's risks with every manager so I suppose we'll see there you go thanks for watching if you want more videos including live exclusive videos then join us on Patreon check out come channel on YouTube the mighty blues and go check out Irish football fan TV Paul thanks for joining us today mate cheers Paul thanks for having us lads absolute pleasure I love talking to everything it's great to see us both are you too so yeah there you go thanks for watching and we'll see you later