 And we are live. All right, everybody, what is going on? I know this is the last minute. A little news breaking news, right? Her news flash breaking news, Muppet News Flash. It's sad with Mailchimp's customer journey. And, you know, I don't want to make light of the situation. And it's not a show to make light of the situation. It's basically so me and parents are talking and what we're finding is this has become a very polarized debate, right? We're not going to give our opinions about this because we want to remain neutral on this. I think it's important to hear what the fans have to say. We'll look at the Facebook feed. We'll look at the Twitter feed. We'll look at the YouTube feed and we'll read the questions. Perrin, what do you want to start with? Maybe we'll respond to some of your comments. So about 60 to 90 minutes ago, Dave Mustaine and Megadeth released the following. We are informing our fans that David Ellison is no longer playing with Megadeth and that we are officially parting ways with him. We do not take this decision lightly. While we do not know every detail of what occurred with an already strained relationship, what has already been revealed now is enough to make working together impossible moving forward. We look forward to seeing our fans on the road this summer and we cannot wait to share our brand new music with the world. It is almost complete. Dave Mustaine, Megadeth, May 24th, 2021. So short and to the point. Yeah. Yeah. And again, to emphasize to everybody that we're not here to tell the world what we think about the situation because there's not enough information. And I could tell everybody this. I've met Dave Dave Ellison many, many times. He was always nice to me. So you can only judge people right on how they treat you. So all I can say is always a nice person always made time for me. A lot of interviews with the guy I spoke to David Mustaine. Dave Mustaine, another really nice guy, very smart, very intellectual. So they've always treated people on the show here very well and nice, both parties. So we're not going to get into what we think. We're going to read out what you think because this has become a very polarized parting of ways. Yeah, and when Jimmy says polarized, I mean, just looking at our comments on Facebook or if you look around at a lot of the other popular metal sites, people are commenting and the comments really range from. Well, you know, no duh. I knew that was coming to how can Dave Mustaine be so disloyal to his brother? Now, Megadeth is nothing more than, you know, a solo act or a cover band of themselves. So those are really the two extremes and everything in between. And, you know, a couple of things, you know, if you look at the statement, first of all, it does not say Dave Ellison was fired. It says they're parting ways. So that would lend one to believe that there was discussion, negotiation, an arrangement made that left both parties in such a way that, you know, they could walk away, hopefully with not this becoming a whole legal mess. Because, of course, we've had legal messes between two Dave's in the past. And then I guess the other thing that a lot of people are speculating about is the fact that Dave Mustaine put in the statement with an already strained relationship. And that could mean their discussions about what recently transpired. That could mean, you know, musical differences. That could just mean, you know, and we all know this. And guys, you know, it's like not every band are best friends. You know, sometimes they start off that way and it kind of disintegrates. Sometimes they were never to begin with and they kind of, you know, lived lives on tour, but then lived separate lives, not on tour. So, you know, there's a few little things in there that people are talking about. And, you know, look, I guess when we do our Sunday panel shows, I'm the business guy. So from a business standpoint, you know, what's the old saying? I think it's in the Jerry McGuire movie, right? This isn't show friends, it's show business. And it is possible to be friends with a person, but to no longer want to be in business with them or to think that it's just no longer in your best interests to be in business with them. Dave Ellison has not been accused, has not been charged with a crime. As far as we know, there's no court case pending. There's just the court of public opinion. And then on top of that, there's whatever was brewing, whatever the already strained relationship Dave Mustaine was referring to. And that was enough for the two parties to say, yeah, it's probably better. We don't do business together anymore. And I'm sure we'll hear more about this, you know, in the coming days and weeks. Yeah. You know what? And we, again, we have to start with this with a, with the pretense that we don't know what's going on. We don't know what's happening behind the scenes. We don't know what has happened or what hasn't happened. We just know what we see on the news. And we're not here to sensationalize it or to insult anyone or to hurt someone. We're not debating it in any way. We're not here to debate this. We're not to debate what he did was right or wrong. We're here to just read your reaction to the, it's big. I mean, Megadeth is like, you know, you're talking about Metallica, Iron Maiden, you're talking about one of the biggest bands. They're one of the biggest heavy metal bands in the world, I would say. I would say Megadeth are probably one of the 10 biggest metal bands in the world at the moment, you know, maybe top 20 of all time. Again, these lists are all subjective, but they're important. There's, you know, they've produced very important music over the years, very important albums and very, and they're very important figures. So when a key member is no longer in the band, people have feelings about it. And like I said, if you, if you read some of the comments that we've seen from various parts of the internet, some people are indignant that Dave Elfson is no longer in the band. And some people are like, well, you know, it's always kind of been a Dave Mustaine solo project anyway under the moniker Megadeth, or at least it has been for a long time. So I guess your opinion might be influenced by how you feel about Dave Elfson's relative importance to the music that Megadeth produces and their live show. Yeah, for me, you know, to me, Dave and Dave have always been, you know, Megadeth, they've always been Megadeth, you know, and it's sad for me. You know, if it was the right decision or the wrong decision, it doesn't matter, it's still sad. And I think that's why the internet's on fire right now, because it's, you know, it hurts fans regardless of whatever happened, you know, behind the scenes. So I'm going to read some comments and you could read some comments. So here and we'll go with the YouTube comments first because these guys have priority because they're we're on YouTube, right? Some dude says I can see both sides of this from Elfson and the bands. But dude, people in general need to be way more self-aware. Then they are currently you're a public figure in a high profile band. That's a fair enough statement. He is in a high profile band and, you know, he should have been very careful, right? You want to read one? Yeah, so I'll read our friend Bretts on the Facebook page. So the already strained relationship and quotation marks speaks volumes. I hope he's innocent. I hope she wasn't underage. But if she was, throw the book at him again. This is your all entitled to your opinion. If not, I hope he doesn't lose too much. And then, you know, we talk a little bit about who, you know, people are already speculating who might replace. So, you know, Bretts. We won't go there yet. We won't go there yet. We'll talk about that after. But yeah, so I mean, this is a little bit of the strained relationship speaks volumes, you know, hope the person was of age. But here's the important thing. Again, David Elfson has not been accused of a crime. He's not been arrested. So let's assume she was of age. I guess the feeling in the Megadeth camp is still that, you know, a lot of people have seen that footage and it's perhaps embarrassing to the brand slash band. And maybe that's part of the reason that the management or Dave Mustaine feels like it's it's best if the person who tarnished the image of the brand is no longer there. And again, pure pure speculation, you know, yeah, let's let's put that in parentheses, speculation, right? We don't want to speculate on things we don't know. Dillinger Fanon says totally support Mustaine's decision. Austin Barr says for the question is who is going to replace Dave. Well, we're not going to get there yet, but he's saying James Newsted. The body isn't it's still warm. Let's not go there just yet, right? Maybe we could talk about this at the end of this conversation. But John Fisher saying very sad on YouTube, Lucha saying, seriously, I believe there's much more to the story than we know. And Lucha, I would agree with you. There is probably a lot more to the story than we know. And that's why we can't we could speculate, but let's not over speculate and let's, you know, let's all bring the hammer down, you know? You want polarizing? I got a polarizing one. Go ahead. So we got our friend, Anna, right? Anna, I believe, is in France. Anna from the rock dance theater, who often corresponds with us. Total fucking bullshit and capital letters. Megadeth is nothing without David Ellison. Good luck, David Mustaine, on your solo cover band. Gross. So we've talked about polarizing statements. So there is a very strong statement in support of Dave Ellison. Obviously, his contributions are relative importance to Megadeth. And, you know, again, the take that I'm seeing for people who are really supporting David Ellison, have this belief that, you know, a band are supposed to be a band of brothers and you don't, you know, cut loose your brother in his time of need. Well, let's let's go. And I saw another comment by Diana, who comments a lot. And I'm going to read her statement because now we're going on the other side of the spectrum, right? And I can't find it now. Oh, here it is. Here we go. And you know what? We're looking at all sides of the spectrum. We're not sort of saying one side is right and one side is wrong. We're just reading what the fans are saying, right? And it's very, very polarizing because at the heart of it, we're all Megadeth fans. And we don't like to see this craziness. Diana saying fantastic. And along with him, all the in. I think she's right. Insane fanboys are canceled by a legitimate metal band. Of course, they could still express their love for this guy in private. Kudos to Dave Mustaine for giving an example and making the metal scene safe. And then that's afterwards. You have like, Anna's total fucking bullshit kind of right. And, you know, and I think it's, you know, and here are two female fans and female followers of ours. And I think it's very important. I'm glad we're kind of, you know, provide running a female perspective here as well. So you have Anna and Diana on different sides of the spectrum. One kind of applauding this Dave Mustaine for his strength of character in doing this and the other kind of vilifying Dave Mustaine for cutting loose his brother, you know, if that is what happened. Yeah. So Dennis goes Dennis's parents says, and this is an interesting statement, which a lot of fans have been also expressing. Far worse men have done far worse things in the name of metal. He didn't burn down a church. Not sure it's a fireable offense. Classless. Yes. So again, based on the information that we know. That is a statement that he's making. And we're not here again. I just want to emphasize we're not here to trash anyone's side. We're here just to read what the fans think, because this is a hot topic, because the fans love Megadeth. And they want to express themselves. And this is the vehicle or the conduit to express themselves. And let me say in a business context, yeah, everything is a fireable offense. So I'm going to assume it's common knowledge that when Dave Ellison returned to the band, he was no longer a partner in Megadeth. He was an employee of Megadeth, much like Dirk is on drums. And much like Kiko is on guitar. You know, perhaps he got a better wage because he was a classic member and nobody really knows that. But he was not a partner in a band. He was an employee. So when you're an employee, you can be fired from anything from playing too many bad notes to your personality, to actions that you did or didn't take. So really, you know, and we're all subject to this in our regular everyday life, but also there's also, you know, an employee can also, you know, fight the dismissal. Absolutely. And those both ways, right? So I mean, a person could be fired for cause. A person could be fired without cause. And depending how the company is letting the person go, maybe there's a check that changes hands and maybe there isn't. And maybe there's a lawsuit that ensues or a labor board that steps in. And again, you know, this is this is metal. We can't go to the speculation too much because at the end of the day, we don't know, right? And what we don't know, you know, but I agree with you. I agree with you that companies, if they let somebody go, they better let somebody go with a lot of sort of evidence or else that employee will seek. Some sort of financial compensation, unless there was an agreement. Yeah, or that compensation could have been offered up front and the individual could look at it and say, yeah, you know what? Maybe better to take the short route and just end this now than take the long road. Because, you know, the thing is when you take the long road, often the only ones who win are the lawyers. So, yeah, you know, so. But but here's here's the point now here. Now, a chick Eastwater says, who wants that publicity when they are touring? Now, here's here's. And this is probably the reason why we're actually doing the show today. If it was sort of like one sided and everybody was saying, good on Dave or bad on David, there's nothing to talk about. But no, no, no, no. The point is, is this actually going to hurt mega death? Or is this going to actually sometimes you think you're doing something because you think it's going to help the band, but this might actually deter people. And I wouldn't want that. I mean, I wouldn't want that. I want the band to be successful. And I don't want any bad things, people doing bad stuff morally. You know, I like people to be morally right. But at the end of the day, will this hurt the band or help the band? You know, yeah, whatever happened. Here's another good point. Oscar saying, what happens with all the endorsers? That's a good question. I would say, you know, Dave Elfson, as an example, probably has an individual contract with the companies he endorses. And obviously the attraction for those companies is to be able to say Dave Elfson of mega death, although Dave Elfson, even outside of mega death, is a well known name. So I would say, you know, any any company and forget Dave Elfson. You know, we've seen this with professional athletes. We've seen this sort of thing, you know, what with many different kinds of people with celebrities, Hollywood actors. You know, if you have personal service contracts or endorsement contracts with various companies, you know, they will decide to support you or if they think the negative publicity that surrounds you is no longer good for their brand, then they will let you go. So, you know, we've seen this. So I mean, look, look at this. Here's another one. And I'm going to read all comments from all the spectrum because I'm not going to play one side here, right? We're going to remain neutral. E.J. says, how would you feel if your daughter was groomed by Elfson? OK, and I'm just reading that statement because it's one of many statements that are on the Internet. But then there's another statement that says, John Katsuta says, mega, this is my favorite band out of the big four. I really hate all of this. This current lineup, in my opinion, was the best one since the Rust and Peace. Then there's other people who don't want to know about people's personal lives, right? It's kind of like I just want to know about music. And that's all I really want to know about. Please stop with all this. What happened? You and I discussed it the day it happened. And we said, look, we don't want to. We don't really. We don't want to talk about this. We don't care. And we don't want to talk about this. I mean, you know, I mean, not that it's not important. It's important in life in general. But I'm just saying that we're talking about music and we try to stick to music. And in this special case, I think just to sort of give the voice to all the fans and the hurt from the fans, the people on both sides of the spectrum. Yeah, I got a good comment here on Facebook. So we have Mariano, Views is F and gossip. Alpsen pays the ultimate price. He made a terrible mistake and Mustaine made another mistake. Where's the friendship? Maybe they know he has some sexual addiction. Very sad moment. So I think there's an implication there. Does an employer, does a friend, does a friend have a responsibility to help a friend? Let's say, you know, Dave Alpsen had an alcohol addiction. Let's face it, guys at Megadeth over the years have had drug and alcohol addictions. And they weren't necessarily kicked out of the band for them. Hell, the leader of the band had some very important addictions and the career was put on hold and then got going again. So I guess that's, you know, Mariano is kind of disimplying. You know, again, is this should this be more about friendship and should there be some sensitivity to maybe help the guy and not cut him loose? But that's where, again, we don't know what we don't know. I mean, for all we know, yeah, and again, I'm going to emphasize that both Dave's and, you know, nice people, but we don't know what's happening in their personal life. And should we be the ones judging them on what they do in their personal life? OK, Hector on Twitter saying this kind of behavior always been unacceptable. And nowadays, even more, they're about to restart the live concert circuit. And anyone knows that keeping him would be a PR nightmare. And always the band most of the time, been Dave, Dave Mustaini means with the current hard guns, they will be OK. Well, there's a there's somebody who's saying, you know what, some negative PR, we're cutting them loose because we don't want to lose. It's tough to get make it today, right? It's tough to sustain yourself financially. So we're just cutting them loose. I asked the people out there, is that rock and roll? I mean, a lot of people are saying, you know, it's not rock and roll. Right. So we just got a comment about political correctness, all right. So, you know, one of your brethren, I would say Mario Sacrivos. By Zahn, a heavy metal band, one of the biggest at that, giving into political correctness. That's what it feels like to me. So, you know, I guess in metal, we have a feeling that metal has always been non about non conformity. We don't conform. We're different. We're outsiders from society. So, Mario's doesn't feel so great that, you know, it's on the surface. It might seem like Megadeth has, you know, caved in to being politically correct. Here's a good one. And here's a kind of question I've been sort of like talking to people about. And if this was Motley Crue, would anybody even blink? Right? Well, a member of Motley Crue, right? A member of Motley Crue killed somebody, right? That's right. He found guilty in a court of law of killing somebody. But they're packing up the rena's and... Yeah. And then after paying a hefty fine and doing a very small amount of jail time, was back on the road with people celebrating Vince's back. You know, so and that's and it's it's interesting that you bring it up, Jimmy, because you're right. Like, do we do we have a double standard or is it just that that was in 1984? And now we're in 2021. That's a good point. Or is it about expectations? Now, one guy is considered like Tommy, let's take Tommy Lee as an example. You think he would do that all the time, right? He probably does that. He's got some videos out, right? You know what I mean? But that's his thing, right? To be the bad boy. And we expect it. So we're OK with it. Whereas David Ellison, we have a higher expectation. Projects. He's a pastor. You know, he speaks eloquently and, you know, and it's maybe it's the expectation that is is is what's sort of driving that inconsistency. Melissa, he says, seems to me this is and this is from a woman perspective, which is important. Melissa, it seems to me this is a matter for him and his wife as long as she was overage and consented. That's a that's a good point, too. You know, I mean, this is a personal matter, you know, it's well, it's both. And, you know, again, Jimmy, you and I talking offline before. Again, if you work as a salesman for a company and all of a sudden something that you've done in your life is known and people might not want to buy from you anymore. Does the company then have a difficult decision because they like you, they even love you, they've known you for years. But at the end of the day, if their job is to sell whatever and they think you're going to have a hard time doing that because everyone knows about this thing, then what? You know, and not, you know, so yes, for sure, on a personal level, it's between Dave's choices or between Dave and his wife and his family. But everything does impact everything else. The reality is we live in this, you know, social media world where in the past, if you did something like this, unless you killed somebody, no one knew about it. And now you do something like this and everybody knows about it. And you factor in the cancel culture, people, which makes it even more larger, right? But, you know, I mean, cancel culture, you know, I always take a little bit exception to the term because I just feel counter cancel culture is really another word for accountability at the end of the day in life. We're all accountable for our actions. So, you know, every action has a reaction. So if I do something, a lot of people might like it and continue to support me, but a lot of other people might not like it and decide not to support me. And I guess whichever side is bigger is almost going to determine my fate. And that's kind of just the way it is. All right. Musique says, I'm honestly shocked, never thought this would be the outcome. And there's a lot of people like that, too. And I was kind of hoping this wouldn't be the outcome. And again, I get the morality of it all. I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with it. But we all hope, you know, deep inside, you know, that there wouldn't the band wouldn't suffer because of it. They have a new album they're working on, you know, everybody's tour dates just announced, two days just announced. So it's kind of it's a blow. I guess the question for the people out there is, are you anxious to see Megadeth without Dave Ellison there? David Ellison, you know, that well, I'm a ticket holder. So I can answer that question for you because I haven't bought a ticket yet. Yeah. Well, I bought a ticket a long time ago. I'm sitting on the fence here and I decided to hold on to that ticket. And then when they announced the new date, which they just did a couple of weeks ago, topped it over with my other half. Yeah, we want to go to the show. So I decided to go and I will say this doesn't change my mind. And again, this kind of leads us to the thing. Like is Dave Mustaine is Megadeth Dave Mustaine or is Megadeth Megadeth? And for me, of course, I enjoy Dave Ellison in Megadeth. But I've seen I've seen so many versions of Megadeth. Like I've seen them with James Macdonald on base. I've seen them James Lemenzo on base. You know, I won't not go to the show because of this. I'll I'll still go to the show. I wish it was Dave Ellison, the originator of that amazing piece sells riff playing it. But if it's somebody else, that's OK, too. It's still a good night out. So it doesn't change my decision. On Twitter, here's an issue one from here. We flip a Twitter one here. Metal Katie says, wow, what a tragedy. Officer Friendly says, wonder what an already strained relationship really means. And that's that's that was I wouldn't say cryptic. But I would say that was, you know, I'm assuming because of the whole battle with the name and, you know, sort of mending the fences, coming back, you know, there was a bitter lawsuit, guys. I mean, that's the thing. Right. Yeah. When I mean, Dave Ellison came back to the band after a bitter lawsuit between the two Dave's and, you know, it's hard to know. Sometimes, you know, the lawsuit gets settled and they shook hands and became friends again, or was part of the settlement that Dave had to be back in the band. And guys, you know, doing this with the metal voice and other kind of, you know, freelance journalism stuff I've done. It's one thing I learned over the years is again, bands are not always best friends. You know, I can name you very, very well known bands who they hug on stage. They they interact on stage as if, you know, they babysit each other's kids, but they travel on separate buses, stay in separate hotels and really only see each other when they get on stage. And I have no idea if that's the way it is in Megadeth or not. But I can just tell you there are some very big bands that see each other at soundcheck, see each other, perhaps they pass each other in catering and they see each other on stage. But when it comes to travel, they, you know, one likes to go to this kind of restaurant, one likes to go to that kind of restaurant. One likes to stay in the hotel on off days and read. And the other one likes to go hiking or sing around the city or play golf. So like it's not the, you know, traveling from city to city, arm in arm, you know, like, like pirates and Vikings, you know, it's really just shut down my dreams there. And thank you very much. I thought they were like pirates and Vikings. No, and we all thought that when we were younger, we all thought that when we were younger, but like, you know, and they probably thought like that too. When they're younger, then they got old and bitter. Yeah, and that's the way it is, right? That's the way it is. All right, here we go. Michael Green on Twitter, then internet, social media, people wanting to profit our ruthless and don't care about wrecking people's lives. Should he have done it? No, but having said that Dave Mustain has to protect the band and the brand. You know, there's a lot of truth to that. That's kind of why I was very reluctant to sort of post. And I mean, okay, I don't want to contradict myself because we're doing this now, but it's kind of like it's ended now. You know what I mean? There's a conclusion to this. And that's kind of what this is about. I didn't want to feed the fire of and judge whoever, mega death or Ellison, I don't find it's appropriate to talk about people's lives, you know, privately. I don't think that's our place. And I get it. Some people do and that's fine, but I just don't feel like what we do at the metal voice, everybody is to judge people in their personal lives if they're right or wrong, right? It's not us to decide. That's kind of why I want to keep the topic to the fans and what they think and how they feel. Yeah, Jimmy, I will say, you know, if it was going to happen better that it happens soon than happens in six months, because it's never a good feeling for fans or for the people involved to be left kind of twisting in the wind, not sure what's going to happen. So for better or worse, you know, in business, they kind of teach you right, wrong or indifferent, gather your facts, make a decision quickly. Maybe it's the right decision. Maybe time will reveal that it was the wrong decision, but you've got to kind of the fairest thing to do for everybody is to make a decision fairly quickly and not let it linger for a month for six months, you know, like I'd much rather this happened now than everyone bought their tickets, the shows are a week away from happening. And then it's, oh, by the way, David Ellison isn't going to be on tour. And then a lot of people who bought tickets feel duped because they didn't know what they were getting. I remember there was a Motley Crew Greatest Hits tour on one of their many, many reunions back in the early 2000s. And, you know, on the Greatest Hits album, it was the four of them, Tommy Lee, and then on the day tickets were going on sale, they announced Tommy Lee wouldn't be doing the tour. And Samantha Maloney from Holt would be doing the tour. And a lot of people were pissed. And back then there wasn't an option to get a refund. Like, you know, you bought a Motley Crew ticket, you didn't buy a ticket to see Tommy Lee. So, you know, you're kind of stiffed. So at least here, anyone who's buying a ticket to see Megatheft this summer or fall knows. And I think you know what, I agree with you. It's good that there's a conclusion to this because maybe if there's a conclusion to this, it could all be sort of put aside and let whoever needs to heal heal and whoever needs to be sort of whatever, put the pasture, put the pasture or whatever, just just get it over with. So Sirion saying David, David shouldn't have been fired for something they did in their personal lives unless they killed someone or something big like that. I mean, look, Tommy Lee and his personal life basically, you know, killed someone and maimed a whole bunch of other people. Not Tommy Lee, Vince Neil, sorry, Vince Neil, excuse me. You know, and he got away with it. You know, he did some community work, maybe spent a little time in jail, but and it was OK. The fans, you know, turn around and they go see more shows by Motley Crue, right? Because it's expected of that. Yeah. Well, here, you know, with that one, it was a weird thing where in order for Vince Neil to come up with the money needed to pay the families of the victims because not only did Razzle die in that crash, but two relatively young people were left with very bad injuries and on the top of serving jail time, Vince Neil had to pay restitution to those people. But in order to be able to pay restitution, he had to work. So it was found that instead of letting Vince Neil rot in jail, let him go back to work. So at least these people will get the money they need to look after their unfortunately paralyzed loved ones for the rest of their lives. And it's horrible situation, horrible, you know, far worse than this, quite frankly. So I mean, it's again, it's interesting. You brought it up before because, you know, Vince Neil killed his friend, manslaughter, not on purpose, but unintentionally killed his friend and devastated the lives of two other families and was out after 30 days after writing some checks, you know? So so Dave, no matter what Dave Ellison did not kill anybody, you know, he he might have done something immoral, you could argue he did something really stupid by, you know, letting himself be filmed and not really controlling where it goes. And in this day of social media, if it's if it's here, it's everywhere, you know, you know what? Matthew, you know, Matthew Liu has been around forever as a friend and all. And Rolling Stones never shied away from their underage sex. This was their 1994 Voodoo Lounge t-shirt. And, you know, he's got a t-shirt underage. You know what? Here's my answer to that. It's not, that's a moral and legal question that we shouldn't sort of like jump into. Different times. It's just different times and things have sort of evolved, we shall say, right? And that's all I'm going to say to that. Like, I mean, I'm the only ones to, right? For some bands, the sex, drugs and rock and roll image is a draw and it will help you sell more. But maybe for other bands, sex, drugs and rock and roll, maybe as you get older is maybe not the image you want to portray. So, like, I get, I mean, and that sounds weird to me. Different times, you know, different times, you know, you know, I'm right at 17, you know what I mean? Like, that was a long time ago and different rules start coming in and things change and, you know, more rights of people and the protection of children and things evolve. You know, things evolve. You can't go back to the, you know, 1200s and say, well, why didn't, you know, women weren't allowed to vote and, you know... And look, the owner and whatever, right? Look, let's not kid ourselves. Dave Mustaine is now a fairly religious person himself. And, you know, sometimes if you offend the boss, if you offend his morals, he might not want you around. And again, I just bring you back to a regular company. If you work for a regular company and the boss feels very strongly about any issue, you know, abortion, you know, same-sex marriage rights, whatever the issue is, if the boss feels strongly about something and you blatantly and publicly come out with something opposite that or that offends the boss, you know, there's a reckoning to be had sometimes, you know? And you'd like to think in a perfect world, people are tolerant and I could have my opinion and you could have your opinion. But, you know, sometimes the boss is like, look, I just can't look at you and across the table at a meeting every day. And I don't know, maybe that's the case here. Maybe Dave Mustaine, again, he talks about the previous strained relationship. Maybe this was the straw that broke the camel's back for him, you know? So... Well, maybe there's other stuff that we're going on that we're not even, you know, we're not pre-materials. Again, maybe musical direction. Maybe Dave Ellison is coming up with something. And this is a comment here from James McClain who's saying, and a lot of people are saying this, it's sort of like a brother ship or sister ship or brother ship and so, not cool, support your bandmate. A lot of people say, look, we're brothers here, you know, like we're bandmates. We've gone through thick and thin and if we don't have friendship, what do we have in life, right? But where's the line? You know, the rain has to stop someplace, right? Like, so like, where does the rain stop? I'm just saying it's a fair point. It's a fair point to throw out there, right? You know, like life is not only about business, right? It's about supporting your friends, especially if something went wrong in your personal life, right? Yeah, but what if they're not friends? That's the point, like the point is, I think Dave is kind of eluding to that in the statement. Like maybe they're not really friends, which is sad. Maybe they're not. And we don't know that so we can't, you know, make that call, right? Violeta saying, if we're out there cancelling people for sexual misconduct with other adults, then every last rock solid planet would be out of a job. That's a good point too. And I have a similar one here. Todd, this is standard operating procedure for Hollywood and nobody seems to care. So why act like it's a big deal now? Then it becomes a selective thing. Are we being selective over one crowd, over another, right? So many different angles. And again, we're not here to judge. I'm gonna say this over and over again. Not here to judge. We're here to read your comments and how you feel, okay? Let me see, if this was 20 years ago, it would be different. Yes, it would be, Chick Eastwater says, if this was 20 years ago, it would be different. Yes, it would be different. But if you go back a hundred years ago, a lot of things were different too. If you go back 200 years ago, a lot of things. Yeah, you might have been executed or something. That's right, that's right. You know, we've been stoned, you know what I mean? Not the good kind, the bad kind, right? No trial, just know it's like all of them, you know? Yeah, that's right. I mean, we've become at a very protective of our children age. There's nothing wrong with that. You know, we want to protect our children. We want to protect people who are vulnerable. And yes, the girl did come out and say that, you know, it was with her consent. We don't know the whole story, but just saying that we're in an age where we have more protection of our children. Whereas a hundred years ago they didn't, right? So I guess the next question, Jimmy, and I'd be curious to get people's opinions on this, is Megadeth Dave Mustaine? Or is Megadeth Dave Mustaine and Dave Elfson? Or is Megadeth Dave Mustaine, Dave Elfson and the guitar drum combo they have at the time? What is Megadeth? Well, Megadeth, we don't know what Megadeth is because it's evolved so much over time, right? Would you be offended if somebody said that Megadeth is Dave Mustaine and everything else is inconsequential? Does that offend you? So we're basically saying Kiko is- Well, one thing's for sure. One thing's for sure, Perry. Let's just eliminate here. One thing for sure, Mustaine is Megadeth, right? That's one of the key ingredients. And I agree with you. No Megadeth, no Mustaine, no Megadeth. I mean, that's, we know, that we know. Now, then there's a better Megadeth and a sort of lighter Megadeth, right? So you're saying that Dave Elfson can't come up with Elfson's Megadeth, like KK's Priest. We can't have, we can't have Elfson's Megadeth. That's not gonna work. You know what, I don't, like, if he doesn't own the trademark, and again, I don't know the ins and outs of this, but if he doesn't own the trademark, then I would see a very difficult, you know, spot where he's in. You could say maybe the former bass player of Megadeth. Elfson's MD, you know? Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's kind of like, and here, Sirion saying, like Lemmy was always Motorhead, right? Yeah, you take away Lemmy who sings and plays bass. I mean, there is no Motorhead, but I could see people thinking, hmm, maybe we should continue Motorhead, you know? Because they'd be that far-fetched. I tend to agree with you. And I'd say, you know, but I would say, you know, the original Megadeth with Chris Pollan and Garse Emelson, that felt like a band. Yeah. And then that one album of Jeff Young and Chuck Bieler, that didn't feel so much like a band. But then when they got Marty Friedman and Nick Menza and they had some continuity there, that felt like a band. But I feel ever since Nick Menza and Marty Friedman left the band, I felt it was a project after that. You know, you had Al Petrelli and Jim DeGrasso, and then you had the Hayedas, and then there's been a little bit of a revolving door with, you know, James Madonna, James Lomendo, the Drobber Brothers, you know, the current lineup, Chris Broderick, right? There's been so, there's been a lot of people through the band, particularly after the Hayedas, which would make a person say, yeah, the one constant is Dave Mustaine. So- You know, this is, it seems to be more of a, like if I was to look this from a demographic perspective, it seems to affect fathers with daughters, right? Because we want to protect our daughters. It seems to protect women who have been taken advantage of. They feel very strongly about this. Those are the people who are sort of like, look at this more seriously. You know what I mean? I have a daughter. I have a daughter. I have a 14-year-old daughter, right? That's right, that's right. So it kind of hits home to me a little bit, that if like, you know, if I came home and, you know, but my daughter's 14, she's not 19, and we don't know this girl says she was 19s, you know, at first it was reported 17. That's why it kind of like, I don't want to go there because we don't know, right? We don't know. We don't know the details. We don't know the details. You don't really know. And, you know, and then a lot of people are, you know, it's crazy. It's like, and you talked about this before. Who do we replace him with? Well, I mean, we just announced like the news or the news was just announced. The people, we're all fans, right? Everyone's a fan. Jason used to be a replacement. Like, guys, this hasn't, this hasn't- But the great, but I will say on Blabbermouth and on our site and on a few different places, people are already throwing in. Wouldn't it be great if they got Jason Newstead in the band? And wouldn't it be great if James Lemenzo came back? And no, no, I think they should get this party. So there's already that speculate. And I have to say my mind for a second did go to, you know, they're going on tour, you know, fairly soon and they have to be rehearsing and finalizing the new album. Who might, you know, who might play on it? Who might play on the album? I'm going to go to Blabbermouth right now, okay? And I'm going to look at some comments here and just I'll look for some, you know, some interesting comments looking forward for his solo stuff. All right, fair enough, Ellison, solo stuff, right? Well, Ellison didn't put out a covers album, you know, not too long ago, which as far as covers albums goes quite good, frankly. Yeah, you know what? I'm going to say something. I don't like the cheap shots. I don't like the cheap shots towards David Ellison. You know, he may have done something wrong. I just don't like the ridicule and the cheap shots. No, I agree. I like the person a lot. Like, and I said this from the get go, if he's guilty of anything, it's not being very careful, what you can say was kind of stupid. And, you know, that's advice for anybody. More so some in the public eye, but you know, with this world that we live in where your every move is captured, you know, we all need to protect ourselves and we all need to be smart and we all need to assume that someone's watching all the time. So, you know, maybe don't do things that you wouldn't be proud if it got out in the public. I mean, you know what happens in our bedrooms and behind closed doors is behind closed doors, but once you kind of film it and hit send to somebody, you no longer control it, you know, and so not a wise decision in the world that we live in because things can be transported around the world. But, you know, cheap shots, I'm sure nobody feels worse about this than David Ellison. I'm sure he's sorry he's embarrassed himself. I'm sure he's sorry he's embarrassed- Heard his wife. His wife, his children. You know, his ministry. So, you know, it's a sad situation, you know? And I hope people are- Look, and morally, I don't condone what he did. Don't get me wrong. I just- Yeah, we don't know what he did. I'm just not a fan of cheap shots. That's all. Yeah. I mean, you know, say what it is. State the facts. That's cool. Say what it is. Say what happened. That's good. You know, if there's a legal aspect to it, great. Say it, but the cheap shots, I don't know. It's just kind of go overboard. I don't know. When I get it, I know it's the internet and things fly fast and people want to make jokes and I'm all for jokes, but sometimes it goes a little too far, maybe. But maybe that's just me and two each his own. Two each his own, right? What else comments you got there? Queen Bodisha Arradiant says, I cancel, cancel culture, you know? You know, that's another tricky one. It's strange because everybody that I meet, they're really not for cancel culture, but it seems that cancel culture is sort of taking over. Someone's doing this. Who's doing this? I mean, who's the leaders of this cancel culture? Jimmy, we always had cancel, you know, cancel culture is just a catchy name that we've come up with. This has always existed, right? Michael Jackson endorsed his Coke and Michael Jackson does or doesn't do something. So Coke decides to fire him. The people who agree that Coke fired him are like, yay, I'm gonna drink more Coke. The Michael Jackson fans who are standing by him who don't like that Coke fired him are like, I'm never drinking Coke again. This has always existed. We've now put it in a nice little package and we call it cancel culture, but accountability and accountability for your accountability exists, right? If a company decides to not do business of somebody anymore, I will either applaud that and support them. But if I think they canceled someone wrongly, I will cancel them. I will hold them accountable for holding that person accountable. So I don't know, like, I think cancel culture has just become like a thing we like to, a saying we like to use, but it's always- I blame the media. I blame the media. Well, you're not far off- The media I don't listen to. That's the media I don't blame. I'm not all the media. I like some media. Don't get me wrong. Eric, Victoria's is saying, I think it's a good statement here. If Mustaine used this story as a reason to kick him out instead of dealing with the strain relationship he had with Junior, then he has become a wimp. Well, we'll be sad. So to your point, was this sort of the last straw? Sort of like there was something else brewing in the background? Could have been anything. And this is kind of like, okay, you're out. You know, that could be something else too. Again, speculation. Complete speculation. I agree with Jimmy, the media is evil and criminal. That's Gary. Thank you very much for agreeing with me. I don't think all media is evil. And I'm gonna tell you something, Gary. A lot of people think that today's media is evil. I can tell you for a fact that media has been evil since media began. There has always been companies buying ads for newspapers and those companies buying those full page ads, well, they wanted something in return. And we didn't think that something was going on, but something was going on. And a good friend of mine once told me in the media, we put the ads before we used to put the stories. So if you had an ad for cars, then you'd have a story about cars. Look, media with an agenda is evil. But there is good media out there and there are good reporters out there. Look, if we're media, I guess we're a form of media, we're doing our best today to stay balanced. If this was just Perrin and Jimmy having a conversation off camera, I might have a very strong opinion and Jimmy might have a very strong opinion, but we just wanna report this very important news that happened today. And we wanna kind of explore both sides of the equation because to Jimmy's point before that it's 50-50. If you look at comments, it's really, I've actually never seen a story where it's not leaning one way or the other. It's 95% of the people are not supporting Miss Dane, 95% of the people are not supporting Alpsen. It's really 50-50 in terms of was this the right thing to do. It's amazing because back in the day, I guess this would be like an extra, extra. We had all about it. It would be a second edition newspaper during the day that, you know, but now the internet do digest news so quickly. It's so, we consume it so fast. Tomorrow there could be another ripple. Tomorrow Dave Alpsen could come out with a statement and then Dave Miss Dane could counter that statement. And then like this, you know, again, this is their, the story is breaking, but it might not be, it might not be finished unfolding. So there could be twists and turns in the road, you know? And here's a good point, Queen Bodisha saying, how come virtually all the media is owned by the same companies? It's true, but you know, if you go back in time and if you really go back in time, companies always owned or big, powerful people always use, you know, own newspapers. Yes, there probably was a time when there was a private guy, you know, on his printing press, but then he needed ads. And then the companies that he would put the ads for, they would have an agenda and he would have to sort of modify his paper for that agenda. If something can be monetized, it will be, you know? So that's the reality is this, if like, if rich, powerful people can figure out how to make a buck up of something, they're gonna do it. So yeah, look here in Canada, all the TV stations, radio stations are owned by two mega companies. Two mega corporations own pretty much every radio station and television station in Canada. You think they're gonna let somebody go against what they have to say? No, you know, they're not. I mean, but I guess this is a whole media debate we could have. Yeah, that's another show, everybody. That's a whole other show. But just everybody knows since the beginning of the printing press, there's always been agendas in some fashion or another, just faster now. Howling Fang says, cancer culture is really just censorship of people that some other people simply don't like. Well, then what's the definition of who, what are the lines of what are you allowed to censor and what aren't you allowed to censor? So what does censorship really mean at the end of the day, right? Is should everything be allowed? Should certain things be allowed and who decides what should be allowed? Yeah, I got a guy. Again, I'm gonna keep taking a session with cancel culture or like it's always existed. Accountability is always existed. There isn't just a mysterious bunch of druids in hoods deciding who gets canceled and who doesn't, you know? It's like, you know, action reaction. A person does something, public opinion forms an opinion. And again, it all comes, you talked about sponsors and stuff. What influences everything is, will people buy more or less of our product because of what this person said or did? Because if they think they'll buy as much or more product because what this person did, nothing's gonna happen to them. But if someone thinks that they're gonna buy less of our product because then yeah, they're going to get canceled. But that's just, basically, if you endorse a product, you didn't do a very good job if people no longer wanna buy that product. So you're fired. And then there's the, and here's a Louis, Cypher, a Louis Cypher, a Lucifer, right? He's married with kids and also a pastor. So yeah, there's victims there. And that's probably the victims, the kids and the wife. And I feel bad and it's not right. It's not fair, you know? But we don't know what their marriage is like or not. So it's very different. Again, they can have an open marriage. I mean, this doesn't sound very pastoral, but I mean, you know, like again, you know? Again, you know, not society's rules aren't every couple's rules as an example, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I got like, oh my God, now we got Jason Neustead is making a lot of gains here. We should get Jason Neustead back to join Megadeth. I would think, and I'm gonna throw this out there now and I don't wanna talk about this, but if Megadeth is gonna pull this off, right? They're gonna need somewhat of a big name, right? To sort of counter this polarization of the fans to ensure that it's a successful tour. They're not just gonna bring nobody in. You know, hey, I'd like to audition for Megadeth. I think it's gonna have to be. Look, I'm not sure. I mean, look, I mean, when Dirk and when Kiko came into the band, they weren't household names. They were respected names in metal from Soilwork and from Angra, but they weren't like these big names like Jason Neustead from Metallica would be, right? So they didn't go that route, although there wasn't all this fanfare, you know? So I don't know. Like the thing is, if you bring in a really big name, if you bring in a Jason Neustead, that person's gonna expect to get paid more than a small name, but is Megadeth gonna sell more tickets? Will the attendance suddenly go from 14,000 instead of 10,000 because Jason Neustead is the bass player? And I'm not so sure of that. So honestly, Jimmy, I would think they're gonna go the same route. They went with Kiko and with Dirk and get an amazingly solid player, great stage presence, energy. If the person is well-known, okay. But I just think they're gonna try and make the best musical decision possible. And I don't know. Pure balltas from Accept, I'm seeing all kinds of names here. They're all some names, everybody. Then I see Geddy Lee. Look, I've seen some people- I don't think Geddy Lee's gonna do the gig. I've heard some people, a couple of people lobbying for James Lomendo to come back. And I don't think that would be a bad choice. I really liked James when he was in the band. You know, everyone knows James is the guy from White Lion, but then he did Black Label Society and he did Megadeth. Rex Brown, who's Rex Brown? Do you know Rex Brown? From Pantera. Oh, it's from Pantera. Okay, okay. See, I don't really follow Pantera, I guess. Yeah, well, I had a say on him on it. I didn't even know he was available. What? Tom Herrera from Slayer, Tom from Slayer. Oh my God, this. Look, it's gonna have to be, it's not gonna be one of the older guys. It's gonna be one of the sort of like mid-range, user butler, come on. Everybody's just throwing out names. Geddy Lee is approaching 70. Steve Harris, you know, he's probably about 60-something. Well, but let's look. Wolfgang, Wolfgang. It needs to be a thrash basis, right? Let's be realistic. It needs to be a thrash, heavy metal basis, right? So. I'm seeing Paul McCarty. What do you think Paul McCarty is in or out? Oh, Ron McGoverni from, you know. Yeah, I don't think Ron's played in a long time. Look, I'll give you an interesting name. Greg Christian, who used to be in Testament has kind of been off to the side for a little while. So I would think that vein, right? Think of Testament. Think of Exodus. Gene Simmons makes sense, I like that. Think of, so you know, would Greg Christian, formerly of Testament, make sense? Would James Lemenzo, who used to be in Megadeth, make sense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is there a third drover, brother? We don't know about it. You might like to try. You know what I'm saying? You could always play bass. Len could always play bass. Michael Anthony, do you play bass, Jimmy? Do I slap in the bass? You don't like to play a little bass. Play a little, but not to the level of... Any other band. When the bassist is named, we'll have to do a whole other show just to kind of talk about it. Nicky Six, yeah, that's not gonna work. Nicky Six does even play bass, Nicky Six. You gotta be able to play more than one string to be in Megadeth. That's right, that's right. Okay, so. All right, so I think we're gonna wrap it up here. Let's wrap it up. So everybody, you can keep leaving your comments if you like, once the show's done. And again, this is not to ridicule or make fun of a very sort of stressful situation for the band and for David Ellison. The great guys in Megadeth, good person, David Ellison, I'm not gonna knock the guy. And what he's done is his thing to deal with, with his family, and I don't wanna poke fun at that. And... We saw the passion of all the comments, and we just wanted to give a forum for people to kind of talk about that. Exactly. That's what we wanted to do here today. And I know that this is hard for the Megadeth fans because they want a united Megadeth, not a separated Megadeth, all right? It's never fun when the parents divorce, you know? That's right, all right. So next up is the hockey game tonight. What's going on with the hockey game? Montreal and Toronto playing for the first time in 42 years in the playoffs. Best of seven series tied 1-1. Okay. Game three tonight at 7 p.m. Montreal time. So how's this working now with the pandemic? Once they win, let's say Montreal wins, then what? Well, there's a Canadian division. So whoever wins this would play the winner of Winnipeg Edmonton. And then the winner of that, then we need to see, because then there'll be three American semi-finalists. So by that time, will we be able to travel and will fans be able to attend? Or would the Canadian team have to kind of go to the US, put themselves in a bubble and play the American teams and not have any home games? So is there gonna be like a final Stanley Cup of all the NHL teams? Yeah, there's gonna be a Stanley Cup. Or is it just gonna be Canada and that's the end of it? No, no, no. Once the Canadian division champion is crowned, there's three American divisions and the four division winners will be in the semi-finals. So the Stanley Cup will be awarded the way it normally is. Kind of with this co-op thing, I kind of lost track of what's going on, not really watching the games. It's kind of just pretending like I'm watching, but I'm not. But the city of Montreal will come to a standstill in about two hours. That's right, that's right. All right, so good luck to Montreal Canadians or the Toronto Maple Leafs. I have a lot of friends there too. So have yourself a great Sunday, everybody. Bye, Barry. Thanks, cool.