 WRC 19, the World Radio Communication Conference, is being held this year in Egypt in Shamashshake. WRC 19 is an event that brings together around 3,000 delegates from all over the world. In charge of security and safety for the event, his ITU's head of security, Drew Donovan. He's agreed to jump into one of the buggies that's been used for security and to ferry people around the venue and give us a little insight into the responsibilities that this job entails. This is our own buggy that's been given to us and we're doing a lot of transportation of the different VIPs that are here. We're also looking after all the people that have some mobility issues, some of the delegates to assist them and we're just trying to provide as much service as we can when required. You had a fair few mobility issues here, I mean just in terms of people who were mobile before they arrived, now how do you walk thousands of steps around this venue? You know, the 840 meters that from one capitol building to the summit building takes a stall on the delegates and some of them have already arrived with some mobility issues and some people have also had some mobility issues during the conference itself, which is long. And the responsibilities of an event such as this, it's a pretty full on event, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? This is 24 hours a day, it's 7 days a week, it's been going like this since the 21st of actually before that the actual lead up to the 21st of October for the radio assemblies and this is part of our job when it comes to these kind of world events. So there are about 3,000 delegates here, is that right? Yeah, about 3,000 delegates, I think we're just shy a few of that and we expect to go over 3,000 before the end of this week and we still have another week to go so we'll see what the numbers will be like. I mean that's already quite a bit bigger than the usual WRC that happens even in Geneva itself. And what about security team, what science team do you need for an event such as this? What I try to do is always try to have our own eyes in the actual venue 24 hours a day. So what I try to do is I bring in 3 security officers who are my officers in Geneva, they're working $8 shifts, they're all fully trained and qualified in the first aid and all the fire safety rounds that we do and also to be working with the security from the host country whether it be the police or the venue security themselves and that's part of how we create an event security team which is comprised of, as I say, host country police, venue, security, ITU and we also use the UNDSS which is here in Cairo which is looking after Egypt. And you had the, we had the president of Egypt here for the opening ceremony, what was that day like for you? That was, you know, managing expectations, we knew that it would be a bit chaotic especially having been here for the COP 14 conference in November last year. So we knew that we needed to have a secondary accreditation which was the only accreditation that would be allowed in. So we're just really managing, making sure we have the right communication to be able to send our delegates and our staff to the right area to get their accreditation and then to come in under those protocols that are enacted for any time the president of Egypt comes into a venue. So what happens when the president and a very high level VIPs come, they lock down the area, what... Well, in fact, they lock down the area about 12 hours before. They go through an extensive defensive search which includes using explosives dogs and all these types of qualified police that are coming in. The president, with the president coming, they actually use their own security Republican guard that does that. And the police that are here for our event, they take an opportunity to back out and let the Republic guard do their job. They're there as support obviously. Until the president leaves, the Republican guard are here and then after that the police come back on their posts. And that's when the blood pressure starts rising. Is it... What's the most stressful time for you? I think for myself, it's about 24 hours in advance, you know, because you're never really sure that the communication that is said we're going to do will actually be like that. And what I always try to do is put a little caveat into our security planning that says this is what we've discussed, this is what had been agreed, but it could be based on some sort of security risk component that whatever's been put in place will be totally reversed. And that's the expectations you've got to manage. So expect the unexpected. Yeah, I think that's the best thing to do. And so here we're coming out of the venue for a second, so we've got to scan our badge out. Is that right? Yeah, here we have all of our badge scanning. We scan people coming in and coming out. We know exactly who's in our premises. It's run with the actual accreditation being given out by the registration team. And the whole system itself is actually run by my compliance officer, data protection and privacy officer, who's Libby H. Roliet, and this is really quite a sophisticated system. And it's the same system that we're using in Geneva at the RTU headquarters? That's correct. And we have the opportunity to use that. Here wherever we go to an actual event, and also we use the opportunity to use our biometric badges that we've got in place here, so everything works out pretty good. And so there's lots of security coming in and out of the venue. We're constantly being checked that our ID is correct and also that we're not carrying any metal or anything else. That's correct. Everything's the same. It's all put in place. This is a compliance standard for any UN conference in the world. So everything is done exactly like this, and everything works out pretty well. And in principle, an event like this, essentially it's just a matter of scaling it up. We'll do 3,000 or so delegates and make it much more complicated. No, I mean, once you put something in place for security, the idea is that you're in place for whether it be a couple hundred delegates, or we go up to the maximum 3,000, 4,000 or 5,000 delegates. The things we put in place can easily handle any of those numbers, and that's the whole role of the whole security planning, et cetera. Well, Drew, thanks so much for this wonderful insight into the security here, security arrangements here in Chama Shaking Egypt for WRC 19, but also your day-to-day work, and hopefully I wasn't too bad a driver here. You passed. You got your test. Okay. Great. So here we go. Put it in park and send it off. Thanks a lot, Drew. Cheers.