 Felly mae'r toffie TV, dda'r time a game, mae'n adio'n bai Tony, from across the pond, lwc yn siarf, si'n goros i cael o toffies, hwnnw'l toffon. Llywch yn y, nice, very nice. Tony, a wai, mae'n fawr anodd, mae'n 3-4 mwynt sy'n fawr, mae'n gwyb catsiwch, so, a wai, ymateb. Rhyw gyd, rhyw gyd. Things are moving in the right direction, Covid-wise, so people are starting to get vaccinated. It looks like it's all moving in the right direction for you a lot, as well, back home. But yeah, everything's good, lots of exciting stuff going on for the US blues, which is keeping us all busy and creating a little bit of a buzz out here. I hope we can have a little bit more luck on the pitch and things start to turn the right way there, but yeah, all's good, mate, thanks. Excellent, excellent. Well, this weekend, the fans forum is, the vote's still going on, isn't it? Is that right? Yeah, it is. A lot of stuff going on Twitter and things like that, so tell me a little bit about that, what's going on with that, so, what does that say? We've been pushing that out, so, as you say, we're in the middle of the recruitment drive at the moment, so we've got five places that are up for grabs, so five of the existing forum are moving away because their term comes to an end. So, as you say, we've been pretty active on all the social media platforms, trying to get people interested in being part of that. So, the application is open until Sunday, until midnight UK time, so if anybody's interested and thinks they've got something to offer in giving Evertonians a voice, then we'd encourage them to apply, say a little bit about what the forum does in a minute, just as a reminder, if you push that thing, maybe we're working on at the moment, but just in terms of process, if you click on the link, it's on the main, on the EFC, Fans Forum, bit of the main club website, there's a very short form, just ask you a little bit about yourself and, as I say, what have you got to offer? And then that'll be sifted, there'll be an interview with Fans Forum panel, and then it'll be to Evertonians, then it goes to a fan vote and all the lobbying and all the politics and all that stuff. We're hoping to have those new members in place by June, that'll be the first point. So, we'd love to hear from as many people as they can, and if people are unsure what it's like, or how to go about it, or they've got concerns or questions, then they can get in touch with us through the social media channels or email us in any way they want to. Just to explain a little bit about how we're organised, so we meet monthly with the club. We have engagement with them every month with the club engagement team, generally, and then they will bring in other people from different parts of the club, or even the club's partners, depending on what the issue is. We don't stop, we don't just meet on those months, we do quite a lot of work in between those meetings to keep various projects and issues moving. We try to organise it into themes and issues, so we've got an atmosphere group, obviously that hasn't been as active over the last period for obvious reasons, although it was heavily involved in getting feedback from supporters on how concerns should look, post-project restart, and also was involved in when we had those couple of fixes where fans were allowed back in, working with the club, making sure the protocols and the safety and the fan experience was working well on that. So, they were involved in that. We've got a catering group as well. Again, that's been less active for obvious reasons, but we have listened to what people have said around using local suppliers. Home baked was one of them in and around the ground, and that's something we'll continue, obviously, as we look forward to the next number of years in our new stadium. That'll be important. Retail is another area, so we've got a dedicated project group on that. Everybody's got an opinion on retail and shares, and whether everything stays on the shares or not. Lisa Vaughan leads that group as well, and we've been quite active, actually, in that one, particularly in trying to get, actually, this is relevant for the international bit as well, in trying to make sure there's more visibility and accessibility of everything, making dice in store, but also online and trying to impress on the club to improve the distribution as well, even I've talked about that for ages. Definitely. So, that's another bit. The other bit which we've tried to build on in the last number of months is our communication, so we've got a little bit of feedback that people didn't always know what we were up to, and what conversations were happening. So, we do produce minutes on the website, I'm conscious, and we're conscious that not everybody reads minutes. So, we've introduced a podcast, so we do that every month, just to try and keep people updated. It's just a short, half an hour, 40 minutes on some of the key themes that we're talking about, so that's what we do there. And then, obviously, the one that I'm certainly most actively involved in is the International Group. Was that international action to this? That's what it is, yeah. Garston Tones, yeah. So, yeah, obviously, since I've been out here trying to validate and give international fans a bit more of a say in what's going on. It was the first time there's been international me and Joe Riley, as well, from the Irish Toffees, sort of started that off. And I think that, hopefully, that's moving. So, look, there's loads of things to get involved with on talk. I'm sure we'll talk about international in a minute. The other big thing to mention, obviously, is the stadium. We've been very active in that all along, but I think now we've got the application moving and approved. We'll be setting up something specific around the next phase of engagement on the stadium. There's all sorts of issues, isn't there, to work through in terms of pricing and seating arrangements and fan experience. So, we're going to be setting up a specific project group on that. So, look, if people want to get involved, we'd love to hear it. We want as much representation from different parts of the fan bases that we can get. So, if you've got something to offer, then get in touch with us. So, you've got to put the link in the description, and then if people have got, we'll take them through to the forum and they can register that they're interested in it, and then it's a good way, isn't it? If you've got opinions about the club and you want to be part of it, I know there's been criticism of the fans forum, and I'm not going to sidestep that people have criticised it, but this is a process you did. You went through, you wanted to get involved because I think you probably felt, listen, I think it needs to look at other things, so I want to get involved, and you went through this process and there you are now. And I guess the other thing, what you mentioned as well later, was you're talking about the stadium. Just remind me how long's your term when you get on the fans forum. So, it's three years initially. So, if you get on this tune, you're basically on the term as we're going into the stadium, aren't you? So, it's a brilliant time to get involved, really, and be part of probably the biggest thing, regardless of whether Everton becomes successful or not. This is the biggest thing we will see in our lifetime at Football Club, moving through a new ground on the banks of the Royal Blue Masy. It's huge, isn't it, historical, unbelievable event. Do you think about, it's not just how do we prepare as well for that move, it's around how do we make sure we can continue to ensure the Everton way and Everton is protected through that. Exactly, and how do we make sure we don't lose people and that's going to be important. So, look, get involved, and as I say, if people have got ideas on how we can improve things at the forum, then look, open all ears. We've tried to respond to some of that. So, keep giving us the feedback. Well, the only, if you're the best way, isn't it, is to get involved, you can't beat them, then join them and do it that way. I'm talking to people who are hypercritical about it, by the way, who may be, oh, it's disorder in the club's poch or whatever. Well, get involved and try to become a member of the fans forum. Go on the inside and then say it and get your points across. You will see there has been changes, there has improved, and obviously you are key to being involved in a lot of the decision making, which affects us all as fans. So, you know, it's very easy to sit and criticise and not do anything about it. The easiest thing in the world, isn't it? Yes, it certainly is. So, yeah, look, and look, you know, these are like people that are prepared to give up their own time to try and get involved and change things. And I'll tell you now, you know, there's some difficult conversations that go on. You know, there's some, you know, there's people with sort of strong opinions on there. So, you know, we're more than prepared to represent that. So, as you say, we'd love to get people involved. Excellent. Well, tell me a little bit about the international stuff, because I know that you are the cheerleader, you are the man driving the bus, you and Joe. I'm not cheerleader, but I meant like, you know. That is it. No, well, I don't know. I mean, you know, you're carrying a beard off quite well, so I'm not going to lie. You know, it's looking good. So, obviously, you and Joe have been instrumental in this, and we're in it at the very start. But where are we up to now? You've done a lovely Hummell Chicago Evertonians top there, which is, I know that that's a brilliant thing you've done with Hummell, which is a lot of the international supporters clubs in America have got their own logo with it, which is absolutely fantastic. But, you know, what's been going on since the last time you showed up, we spoke, because we spoke last time about the impact Hamers-Rodrigus had on joining the club and how we grow, and how we grow in this time where we're in a global pandemic and people aren't looking good at some park from afar and see fan limbs everywhere and they get you involved. There's been challenges about getting people to support Everton when they're not doing great, and there's an empty stadium and different things like that, and you can't mix together in a pub and, you know, the normal things we used to. So, you know, what's been going on with there and how the challenge has been, what you found. Well, I think what's interesting about the last period, you know, obviously, aside from all the challenges that, you know, everybody's had sort of on a personal level, what it's shown is that you can actually do things like me and you chatting now and you can do online stuff that means that you can really drive and connect and build that engagement and growth. Exactly, you know, we've, you know, a lot of people have had to adjust in that in work, haven't they? It's your day job you're used to doing this, but, you know, everybody's now an expert in Zoom teams. You sent me some other technology yesterday that happened to me. It works normally, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah, it did work. So, you know, so I think what that's shown is that, you know, where there's a will, you know, people can really find different ways of connecting. And I think what I've seen over the last period is that's only been strengthened. So, you know, if you look at the US supporterly community, you know, one example of that is, you know, we've now started to meet regularly. We have, like, a monthly meeting where supporter club leads come together, you know, and that sort of, we'll talk a bit about Hummel in a minute, but, you know, that's where the Hummel thing came from. Actually, it was where some of the ideas for the Seventh and USA Live event. Brilliant, we can get on to it in a minute, yeah. And you need to show one with us, that we've done an Australian one with some other people, and it was brilliant just to talk to Everthrone in an Australian show and putting that back squarely on your feet. But anyway, go on, carry on. I've heard it. I've heard it. So, yeah, no, very happy to, we'll have to try and sort something out on that. I think the groups would love to do that. So, look, I think people have found different ways to connect, and I think that's just helped to build the community. In terms of the fans forum, you know, I think we've continued to try and, you know, push on the issues. The big ones retail mate. Yeah, yeah. You know, I don't think I need to sort of go over the issue again, but, you know, we've been pretty constant and consistent in banging on the club's door, and, you know, what they can do with fanatics now, you know, they're working on it. You know, I haven't got a concrete sort of update to say this is what's going to happen and when, but I can tell you that every meeting and every opportunity and every time someone raises this with us, you know, we do. I think, you know, some of this is cyclical as well. So, you know, they look at the timing of when, you know, there's going to be new releases and what have you in line with that. So, if something does happen or sort of improving on the distribution and in-store presence, you know, I think that's going to be nearer to the launch of the new seasons. Yeah, the new seasons. So, you know, again, you've got to look at sort of, you know, some of the distribution timescales as well. So, you know, but we're pushing on that. We've been specifically working with a group of the Irish toffees on that to try and get it in-store because, you know, they've been, they've been so called off on it. Yeah, yeah. You know, and I get it, you know, it's sort of the same out here. We've been doing the same sort of with the U.S., you know, sort of making practical suggestions on, you know, which retail outlets, you know, could be considered, how to improve that. So, look, let's hope that that continues. But so, yeah, we'll keep pushing that. The other one has been the communication. Yeah. So, remember we did the survey last year? Yeah. One of the big things that came back was, you know, how can the clubs better connect? Supporters clubs? And how can the, you know, grow and what support can they get from the club? So, you know, the feedback we've given the club on that has been taken on board. So, you know, I mean, even, you know, even the event is part of that on Saturday. Yeah. You know, they've done, you know, zoom meetings with some of the Supporters clubs across the world. You know, they've introduced the Supporters club of the match and, you know, before, you know, the home games as well. Yeah. Live. So, you know, again, to be honest with you know, the club itself said to us that, you know, they recognise that they could do things differently now. So, I think that's good. They did the Sligo Rovers event the other week. I don't know if you saw that, but, you know, that was that brought fancy together from Sligo and Evan as part of that partnership. I managed to get along to that and it was great. You know, an hour and a half of, you know, Seamus was there and Bill Bann came and some of the Sligo guys as well, but it just showed what can be done. You know, there's a fact all there. So, look, we're going to continue to force that. So, but what's great about what's happening in the US now as well is that there's like a real movement that's sort of building. I think the connection between the clubs, as I said, has been critical to that. And, you know, people are coming up with ideas, you know, and, you know, what can we do to sort of keep building? And that's how the Hummel thing came up. Excellent. So, go on. Just if for anyone who doesn't know, just give us a quick brief synopsis of what's happened with Hummel and how you've got, you know, where you are now with it. Well, I mean, it started from a little bit of a moan. So, we were moaning out sort of, you know, we couldn't get any evidence stuff out here. And then actually we saw some of the stuff that the Emerald Island toffees had done and also Tommy Low in Singapore, the Singapore group, you know, they had Hummel stuff with, you know, with their badges on. I could have put mine on actually, couldn't I? With that toffee TV one, but anyway, yeah, go on. You should have done. You saw that and then that just pumped in a little bit of chatting or sort of what a, you know, community chat there and came up and then thought, well, why can't we do that and wouldn't it be good if we could do that as a collective? You know, there's what over 40 groups out here. And it'd be great if we could use that, get out there in our community, start spreading the word and what have you. It'd be great for Brandon, you know, own little mini ambassadors. So, to be honest with you, we just, we just went to Hummel USA and said, you know, what do you think about this? And they went like straight on it. Yeah, okay. Let's have a meeting in the next couple of days. Let's see what we can do. They were dead receptive. You know, Hummel out here, their target market is sort of community-based soccer as well. Sort of youth soccer. They do stuff a little bit high level as well, but so they're interested in having people out there with their brand. Yeah, exactly. You know, it was good for them in terms of their profile. So that's all to then developed. We checked it back with, you know, the supporters groups. They were, you know, lots of them there. There's 35 that are now signed up. So there we go. We got an initial range out. There's a few t-shirts, a few tops and hoodies. And yeah, people are loving it. People responded really well. And then we managed to arrange the, you know, a proportion of the proceeds that go to Evan in the community as well. So that's a great little thing. Hummel also said that they would add another donation to EITC, depending on number of units sold as well. So, you know, everyone gets a little bit. A little kick of it. Yeah, it's excellent. Exactly. So actually I was talking to them last week. So I think we're now looking at sorts of introducing a, you know, a new range for the summer. So look out for that. So yeah, we'll keep doing that. The club got on board with it as well, which is great. So they sort of helped us, you know, promote that, which was a really strong signal. I think what they liked was that it was, it came from the supporters as well. So yeah, so yeah, I think we'd like to do it maybe in other parts of the whale now as well, see if we can, see if we can get started. Well, that's what we want, don't we? You know, it's our club. So we need to be flying a flag, and sometimes it will involve us dragging the club along as well. Let's be honest, because we're both old enough to know that our club doesn't really move at a rapid pace when you want it to do things. So every bit we can do, we need to do, don't we? And especially if the club are now listening and receptive to it, then brilliant, then things will move along. Well, go on, talk about the event, because it's something we've seen certainly again on social media this week, it's really been big dope event, and I've had it on their website. So what's happening? What's happening this weekend, isn't it? Yeah, Evanton USA live. So this was a, I mean, I remember when I came on to talk to you when I was going for the fans forum, we talked about how great it'd be to have everyone together, whether that be in the UK, but specifically in, you know, in the US to, you know, a bit of a fan festival. So, you know, the concept's been around for a long, long time, and, you know, we sort of, there was rumors, wasn't it, that the club was going to be out here for last, for pre-season. Obviously, that didn't happen for obvious reasons. And I still think there was a little glimmer of hope that they might be out this summer. But obviously, as things sort of evolved, it sort of became pretty clear that that wasn't going to happen. Anyway, so look, this is again was something, an idea that was generated within the group, you know, we talked about, you know, is this something that we could do, a physical event, and then when we realised we couldn't do it together, we then sort of changed it slightly and said, well, look, let's do a virtual event. So again, we put a little proposal together, a little outline agenda, some themes, ping that over to the club. They were again, they were like, yeah, we're up for this. Obviously, you know, they're doing their own stuff, aren't they, out here as well. So I think it's sat with their agenda. And then it's just escalated. We, you know, we got a little bit former, we even pulled together a little working group of people out here to build on that. We're getting a little bit of structure. So, and, you know, they've been working on different parts of the agenda. So, and here we are now, it's sort of happened quite quickly. So it's open to, it's obviously targeted at, you know, the US and North America audience, you know, clubs, international strategy. It's going to be, I think it's going to be like a five hour event. So it's, it's all day. So yeah, it starts at, it starts at 10 o'clock my time. So I think that's six o'clock UK time. And you know, Tim Howard's been confirmed, Marcel's coming. So we can ask him about his plans in the summer. By go to someone ask him, cos the only time I ever, is when he speaks to Dutch press. So be good to some, some people actually asking him something. It's interactive as well. So that'll be good. There'll be, you know, there's going to be an interactive fan wall. Just remind them, so that we need a right back, a right winger. That's another sense of my feel, the regards of our manager trying to blog us that we don't. I mean, that was, that's got to have been very tongue in cheek, what Carla was saying. Cos I'm a lot of... He's got a track record there, as in he's, he's sometimes a little bit creative with the truth, isn't he? Yeah, so fair enough. So make sure you pin, pin Marcel down on that. But yeah, I've seen up to like the chorus. Is that right? Yeah, he's coming as well. And I suspect there's probably, you know, suspect there's probably a few others as well, cos there's plenty of, you know, ex blues out here as well. So that'll be good. There's even going to be a session with the club's engagement team as well. So the support group leads is going to be a session to sort of, you know, get some ideas and a little bit more understand them. We know what, what do the clubs need to keep growing and what have you. So I think that's a good prospect. There'll be a little bit of fun, bit of a quiz, bit of a fundraiser for EITC. So I think as well, you know, you'll know about this, but, you know, David France has been working on his latest book about Toffy Soccer with Darren Griffiths and Bob Sawyer, about all the links between North America and Everton. So I think there'll be a little bit of a feature on that, which will be great. And look, it all times imperfectly, doesn't it, with sort of, you know, the club's next phase of the international strategy? I mean, I was just going to go on to that for a minute. You know, the club have announced this week that the time is sent for that. So, I mean, what have you took from that, Tony? Very encouraged by the news this week that it is, a case of trying to build on, because it was, it's all very easy, isn't it, to sign Hamas Rodriguez and go, oh, he's great. We'll put a billboard in Miami and we'll have one in Times Square and he's going to bring us loads of fans, and we won offices in America, and then it all goes very quiet. And we understand why it went a lot quiet. We're dealing with a global pandemic. It's not easy. But I was really encouraged myself this week when I was seeing, you know, the next phase of that. We've already seen a tie-up with Affiliated Club, Affiliating in America. We see that announcement was made a few months ago. But this week it is a much stronger one as well, isn't it? Yeah, I think it is, personally. And I'm really encouraged to see it all come together. I think you're right, you know, the, you know, the announcements in this, you know, when we signed Hamas, have you were really promising? I think, again, you and I talked to me around. We saw, we saw a different reaction from the club in terms of moving that, which was really encouraging. But I think you make a dead important point there about sort of capitalising on Hamas and the commercial growth that that can provide is great. And clearly, you know, Jürgen Manker, who's been brought in, is there to drive or help support that commercial strategy that the club is on, you know, within its new sort of expanded international team in the club. And going after those partnerships is going to be, is going to be fundamental, isn't it, to all sorts of reasons. But, you know, and I keep sort of saying this to the club as well, you know, you've got to do that in a sustainable way. You know, you know, if Hamas, let's be honest, if Hamas moves to, you know, Spares next week, then, you know, the Colombian fans are probably going to be Spares fans. Exactly, yeah. So working with, you know, the existing network of supporters clubs and groups and people on the ground, I think is going to be just as an important part of that strategy. And again, and it is, you know, it is, you know, the club has sort of set out, I think, five or six areas, which includes, you know, strengthening retail, the partnership programme, the affiliate programme, the soccer schools, but also, you know, working with the fan base. And Jürgen made, you know, he made all the right noises yesterday around, you know, you know, your core bases is going to drive all this. So I think that's really important. So we need to make sure that you don't lose sight of that bore. I was just going to say one thing, I'd love to see me and people are probably bored with the amount of times me and Pett have gone on about ever and going to America because it's something that I think David Moise knew what we should be doing at that time. He loved America, didn't he? Yeah, I don't think the club ever, you know, we played the MLS or All-Star game and we had to wear a training kit and things like that. You know, we had big games against Philadelphia Union and Tim Howard didn't play, even though he was there and think just little tricks that Evan missed and then we stopped going, which is a bit mad. And other people have had the march on us now, you know, and the other lot that aren't so far away from us do it really well. But what we'd like to see, and I don't know whether you'd agree with this or, but we'd like to see Evan go over to America when he can. I understand we're in a global pandemic, but go over to America, even if it was for 10 days, play a couple of games, maybe take the women's team and maybe take the under 21, the under 23s or the 18s or whatever. But also, I think I've said this to you before, so but also while they really go to a couple of places or set up a camp in Georgia, say for argument, Atlanta in Georgia for argument, do it for like a week, but have like a couple of players there. Try and grab some of these kids that are finding shocker, that are loving shocker, give some evidence stuff or whatever it may be, but have the players that played the game there, do the coaching there and really make people feel like Evan actually want to want to grow here and then deliver it for a few years on the run, not just one, not one and done and they're gone, but an event because you could theoretically have training camp for kids coaching the game in the night with Evan's ladies against Evan's women against women's soccer in the US is huge and that's been forever. You know, then a 23 game and then the bit Evan versus Atlante United at the Mercedes-Benz Stadium and he could and hopefully capitalise on that because that's the way to grab people, isn't it, rather than just going aww, we're affiliated with this USL club in Barthie Blarr and every now and again, they'll send us a player to look at. Try and strengthen it because there's just, there's 320 million in that, it's a continent, it's not a country is it, it's a continent, so there's a real community. There's huge opportunity and I think you're right and look, I think they're the types of things that the club's thinking about, but you're right, you know, it touches on the point I was making about it being sustainable, you can't just do this as a one-off and to be honest, that was the idea of the event for us is this now becomes like a staple part of the experience, you know, we're now being annual events, hopefully next year it'll be in person, so and you know, that'll happen with the club or not sort of thing, but you're right, you know, to really sort of benefit from it, you know, we need the club to be doing all the sort of things that you're doing it and I think that, you know, I think they get that, you know, and I think hopefully when times are a little bit better, we can, you know, we can do that. Obviously, you know, Jürgen Manker brings, you know, you know, I don't know him, but you know, what you read about him and take a degree in his experience, he understands the market here, he's been in and around US soccer for 20 years, he's obviously worked into Miami, you know, he's worked for Conkercaf, so, you know, he's got, you know, he's got real credibility, so, you know, he'll know how the mindset of, you know, US fans works as well, and also the soccer schools is going to be important part of this, so they're going to suggest to me as well that they're going to launch soccer school programme across 15 states. Okay. So, again, that gives a bit more of a grassroots feel. We need to get people over there, though, so as well. It's all very well going. Completely agree. Everton do this, Everton are launching this, but it's like, it's like my 10-year-old who's 40 mad, Everton mad. Atlante United are doing a soccer school in Liverpool. Well, if no one from Atlante United comes here, and then it just becomes, it just becomes like, you know, soccer schools that we saw for, you know, 20-30 years ago. Yeah. No, you're right. I don't disagree with anything you're saying there, mate. Having a presence here and being able to, you know, get the benefits of Tim Howard really use, you know, his, you know, his... Keil over there. Keil, he's got red bulls. He's still, I know he's in Qatar at the minute, but he's still a Finch fan doing his stuff. You know, people like that because he's by it. Howard's a massive one. You know, there's other Landon Donovan, he's a massive one. He's still a big US name, but he's got that evident link. You know, we could do it all. And trying to grab some of these fantastic young players, you know, what we do for a pool of sits, you know, people like that, with American kids. Well, that would blow it out of the water, wouldn't it, if we could, you know, maybe DK or someone we can... So, yeah, it's all... But isn't he DK? He's one. He's not being for that over here. Maybe we can ask Marcel on Saturday. Ask him about pool of sits as well, because there's no way he's getting it. It's Chelsea, so I think he'd do all right to that. Okay, we'll add that to your list. We'll say Baz also said. Baz says what about pool of sits on loan, even for a year. But now, I mean, they're the thing. I think it's moving in the right direction. There's a lot of excitement here in terms of, you know, what can be done. So, I think for me, it's just making sure that, you know, the people that are running here are involved. I also want to say as well, you know, conscious that, you know, this network out here has been built up over a long, long time. And there's been a lot of people that have been involved in that. You know, I feel fortunate that we're out here at this time. But, you know, the likes of, you know, David Cates and Marshall Lamb, you know, and yourselves as well, you know, and Eric Howell, the Volatonians movement and all that. So, you know, I'm conscious that, you know, a lot of people have sort of had a role in sort of getting it. Well, they've been in the groundwork as well, but definitely, definitely, everyone, every, every single Evertonian who's wanted to get other people involved over the, it's absolutely brilliant. And that's why it is important that the club recognises that and goes out there and has a presence there. And basically, so I can get out there as well and what's evident in America. But, you know, yeah. But it is important because it's important to be here in our city. And we, for too many years, we probably have been two insins, two L4, you know, and all that. But we, it's great doing that if you say, well, you know what, we're happy to just survive in the Premier League. Brilliant. And we're just going to be this little inclusive club and we're all in it. But we want to be winning trophies and we want to be getting bigger and bigger. And the only way to do it is to be global and reach out to people everywhere. And a lot of people out there don't know they're Evertonians yet. And hopefully, we can convince them that they are. Trying to convert as many as we can. But I think you're right. I think we've suffered a little bit from maybe being, you know, a little bit, you know, as you say, focused in and around L4. I get that. You know, I'm from Liverpool. I was proud of that, actually. So was I. So was I. Especially with the other L4. You're right. It changes and having been out here, you know, and seeing the depth and the strength of love for Everton, you know, let's take the opportunity and hopefully it can help another part of the football club as well. So, yeah, we're excited and looking forward to it. Is there anything else that we've missed that is going on? I think that's it for now. There's a few other little ideas that are bubbling under, but it might be a little bit early to talk to. Okay, no, no, we'll obviously be looking at it again. It's something you next used to come and see it again. Oh, definitely. And just before I let you go, you know, have you found the season? Cos it's been, it's hard to, it's hard to not look at it the moment and go, we've missed the big opportunity. Yeah. But then I probably love the team to do it exactly the same. I think it is. I think it is. But I mean, you know, you're absolutely right. Everybody's been affected by this. You only have to look at the other lot a lot over the park to see that this has been just a completely upside down season. You know, clearly though, the frustration is, is that we've had so many opportunities to grasp. And, you know, we, I mean, how often have we had this conversation about we've missed it again or if only we beat it and if we get a point against or if we get three points against, we will be, you know, and it hasn't happened. I mean, look, I'm still a believer in Carlo and the project and all the rest of it for sure. But, you know, you just can't help being so disappointed and frustrated because when we go back to that, other than the new signings, when we go back to that core squad, it's still largely the same group of players that we've been complaining about for a long time. A few years now. So, you know, if we can, you know, when we're maybe a little bit less emotional after we've just drawn against the likes of Brighton, what I've yet to reflect and say, well, you know what? You know, should you be really that surprised that we haven't been able to find out the results? Maybe not, but it's hard not to get, to get emotional, isn't it? We're all soil springs, aren't we? Because it's been that long that every, and I think that because the wider world is at the moment, we're all football becomes the amount, it shouldn't do, but it becomes a massively important thing. And every year that we don't do anything, we become more desperate to do something. And the, the, when you don't, it feels like we've missed another opportunity, but it is what it is. The manager needs more players. It's as simple as that. We've brought in, we've brought in a manager that's used to world-class players. It'd be absolutely ridiculous not to back him because we may as well have just given it to a manager who only wants £2 million a year and will quite happily scrap and fight for mid table. So, you know, we have to, we do have to back him, but you're right. Well, yeah, hopefully, hopefully, hopefully we kick on. We'll kick on and we've, we fit to try and win as many games as possible. If we get into Europe, fantastic, but we have to back the man's in the summer and then take it forward from there, don't we? And then, then we really will be growing over there in America because we'll be here. So, yeah, we'll have European football to talk about when you, when you come and visit us next year. Champions League, when we come and visit you next year, hopefully. Tony listen, great to talk to you. I'll put that link in the description. Don't forget if you want to have your opportunity to try to get on the fans forum, click the link and fill the form and if you've got something to say, if you're, you're not happy with some stuff or you want to build on the stuff that the fans forum are doing, get involved. Tony did. Tony filled the form in because he wants, he had something to say. He was angry about some stuff. He wanted to make a difference and he sat here and I was part of it. You can do the same. Tony listen, I'd love speaking to you. It's always your pleasure when you come on mate. Stay safe, stay safe and we will obviously chat very soon. Cheers guys, look after yourself. Thanks for having me on. Thank you, cheers. So, take care mate. There you go. Give the video a thumbs up. Make sure you click the link if you want to get, try and become part of the fans forum. Subscribe if you haven't and if you want more videos, join us on Patreon. See you later.