 Live from Santa Clara, California, it's theCUBE, covering Open Networking Summit 2017. Brought to you by the Linux Foundation. Welcome back. We are live in Santa Clara at the Open Networking Summit 2017, I've been coming here for a couple of years. It's a lot of open source going on and storage for a long time, a lot of open source going on and compute for a long time and networking was kind of the last one that we had Martin Casado on. Earlier today, he said it was 10 years since he started Nacera and now it's a billion dollar revenue run rate inside of VMware. So I think the software to find networking is pretty real. We're excited to this next segment. Scott Rainovich been co-hosting all day. Good to see you again, Scott. We're kind of shifting. We're going to add to Open Networking. We're going to add to Open, not compute, but Open Stack. Can I get them all mixed up? We were just open compute projects a little while ago. So infrastructure is all in family. All right, so our next guest here representing the Open Stack Foundation is Eduko Vanksa. Get that right. She is the ecosystem technical lead for Open Stack. Welcome. And Lisa Brinanti, you've seen many times. She's now officially the Open Stack ambassador, which if you follow her on Twitter, you would have known that a long time ago. For the US. For the US, excuse me. There's several others globally, but for the US, yeah. So first off, welcome. Thank you. And what is the Open Stack team doing here at Open Networking Summit? So Open Stack itself is a multi-purpose generic cloud platform. So we are not just looking into enterprise IT use cases, but also trying to address the telecom and NFV space. And this is the conference where we are finding many of our ecosystem member companies represented. And we are also learning what's new in the networking space. What are the challenges of tomorrow and how we can start to address them today. Right. Because the telco is a very active space for Open Stack as well, correct? That's been a good market segment for you. Yes, it is an emerging area. I would say we have more and more telecommunications company around, and they are also more and more involved in open source. Because I think it's kind of clear that they are also using open source for a while now, but using open source and participating in open source, those are two different things. So this kind of mindset change and transition towards participating in these communities and going out to the public field and do software development there and collaborate with each other and the enterprise IT segment as well. This is what is happening today and it is really great to see it. Right, right. And you've seen more and more telcos participating in the Open Stack summits. There was an NV day, I think, even going all the way back to the Atlanta summit and certainly in Barthelona, Ildiko was actually doing one of the main stage keynotes, which was very focused on telco and some of the main sponsors of this upcoming summit are telcos. So there's definitely a nice synergy between telco and Open Stack. Now why do you think the telco is just the one that's kind of getting ahead of the curve in terms of the adoption? Scalable, low-class clouds? I was going to cut it. Right, and we had John Donovan from AT&T said today that they're either rapidly approaching or going to hit very soon more than 50% of software defined networking within the AT&T network. So if there's any questions as to whether it's real or still in POCs, I think that pretty much says it's in production and running. We found, I'm doing a lot more of the, to also run the Open Stack user group to the San Francisco Bay Area and have them for the last three years. And if we're not talking about Kubernetes or Docker and Open Stack, we're talking about networking. And tonight actually we're going to, the Open Control team is talking about some of the stuff they're doing with Open Control and containers and sort of just to piggyback off of this conference. And next week as well, we're talking about the network functionality in Kubernetes at Open Stack, if you want to run it on an Open Stack Cloud. So it's a huge focus and the user group can't get enough of it. And your guy's show is coming up very, very soon. The Open Stack Summit. Yes. Oh, absolutely. May 8th through 11th in Boston. Like right around the corner. Yeah. The incredible moving show, right? It keeps going and going and going. Yeah, yeah. There's going to be 6,000 plus people there. There was just some recent press releases about some of the keynotes that are happening there. There's a huge focus on, I keep calling this the year of the user, the year of Open Stack adoption. And we're really, throughout the meetups, we're really doing a lot to try to showcase those use cases. So Google will be one that's on stage talking about some really cool stuff they're doing with Open Stack, some machine learning, just really intelligent stuff they're working on. And that's going to be a great keynote that we're looking forward to. Harvard will be up on there. And not just big name foundation members, but a lot of use cases that you'll see presented. So why do you think this is the year? What's kind of the breakthrough that it is the year of the user, would you say? Well, I think that just the reliability of Open Stack, I think enterprises are getting more comfortable. There are very large clouds running on Open Stack, more in Asia and in Europe. And I don't think we can probably talk about it, particularly some of the telco related ones. But the adoption is there and you see more stability around there, more integration with other, I don't know we call them emerging technologies, the light containers, like AI, like IoT. So there's a big push there, but I think enterprises have just, they have adopted it. And there's more expertise out there. We've focused a lot on the administrators. There's the COA, the certified administrator, Open Stack administrator exam you can take. So the operators have come a long way and they're really helping the customers out there get Open Stack Clouds up and running. So I just think it's seven years now into it, right? So we kind of turn the corner. So there have been some growing pains with Open Stack. So what can you tell us about the metrics today versus say three or four years ago in terms of total installations, maybe breakdown of telecom versus enterprise? What kind of metrics do you have there? I'll let you take that one. We are continuously running a user survey and we are seeing growing numbers in the telecom area. I'm not prepared with the numbers from the top of my head, but we are definitely seeing more and more adoption in the telecom space, like how you mentioned AT&T. They are one of the largest telecom operators on board in the community. And they are also very active showing a pretty great example of how to adopt the software and how to participate in the community to make the software more and more NFV ready and ready for the telecom use cases. We also have, as Lisa Maria just mentioned, the China area and Asia are coming up as well. Like we have China Mobile and China Telecom on board as well or Huawei. So we have telecom operators and telecom vendors as well around the community. And we're also collaborating with other communities. So like who you see around OP NFV, Open Daylight and so forth, we are collaborating with them to see how we can integrate OpenStack into a larger environment as part of the full NFV stack. If you look into the Etsy NFV architectural framework, OpenStack is on the infrastructure layer. The NFV infrastructure and virtual infrastructure manager components are covered with OpenStack services mostly. So you also need to look into that how you can run on top of the hardware that the telecom industry is expecting in a data center and how to onboard the virtual network functions on top of that, how to put the management and orchestration components on top of OpenStack and how the integration works out. So we are collaborating with these communities and what is really exciting about the upcoming summit is that we are transforming the event a little bit. So this time it will not be purely OpenStack focused but it will be more like an open infrastructure event. We are running Open Source Days. So we will have representation from the communities I mentioned and we will also have Kubernetes on board, for example, to show how we are collaborating with the representatives of the container technologies. We will also have Cloud Foundry and a few more communities around. So it will be a pretty interesting event and we are just trying to show the big picture that how OpenStack and all these other components of this large ecosystem are operating together. That is going to be a super cool part of the summit. Summit is May 8th through 11th and on May 9th, the CNCF, the Linux Foundation actually behind this, the CNCF Day, they're calling it Kubernetes Day and the whole day will be dedicated, there will be a whole track dedicated to Kubernetes, basically, and so they did another call for papers and it's like a little mini-conference inside the conference. So that's kind of what's saying about the adoption and of other technologies. I'm sure the OpenStack Foundation is putting those numbers together that you asked about and probably Jonathan and Bryce will stand on stage on the first day and talk about them. But what I think is more interesting and where I would encourage people to go, there's a Super User Magazine. Super User does a great job telling the stories of what's happening out there and some of these use cases and who's adopting this technology and what they're doing with it. And those stories are more interesting than just the numbers because you can do anything with numbers and statistics, but these actual user stories are really cool. So I encourage readers to go out to Super User Magazine and check that out. So like, Lego uses it. Yeah. There you go. I had to check real fast. They do a good job with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lego Alligator. So you talked about this day with the Lynx Foundation, is there increasing amounts of cooperation between OpenStack and the Lynx Foundation, given all the projects that seem to be blossoming? Yeah, I don't even know that it needed to increase. There's always been nice synergy between the two and so we know very well was on the board of both. The first woman on both boards, she was my colleague for many years at Hila Packard. She's still on the Lynx Foundation board and there's been a lot of synergy between those foundations. They've always worked closely together and especially things like the Cloud Foundry Foundation that came out of the Lynx Foundation has always worked very closely with OpenStack, the OpenStack Foundation and the board members and it's all one big happy family. We're all open source. Yeah. You talked about the enterprises being, they've been using open source for a long time, right? Lynx has been around forever. They're really more adopting kind of an open source ethos in terms of their own contribution to the society, contributions back and participating back in. So you see just increased adoption really of using the open source vehicle as a way to do better innovation, better product development and to get involved, feedback, give back to their engineers to get involved in something beyond just their day job. It is definitely a tendency that is happening. So it's not just AT&T like I can mention, for example, NTT Dokomo who now has engineers working on OpenStack code. They are a large operator in Japan and it is really not something I think that a few years back they would have imagined that they will just participate in an open source community. I've been involved with OP NFV for I think two years now or two and a half. I'm an OP NFV ambassador as well. I'm trying to focus on the cross community collaboration. And the OP NFV is an environment where you can find many telecom operators and vendors. And it was a really interesting journey to see them that how they get to know open source more and more and how they learned how this is working and how working in public is like and what the benefits are. And I remember when a few people from, for example, Dokomo came to OP NFV and they were like a little bit more shy just exploring what's happening. And then like a half year later when they started to do OpenStack contributions, they had code patches merged into OpenStack. They added new functionalities. They kind of became advocates of open source. And they were like telling everywhere that open source is the way to go and this is what everyone should be doing and why it is so great to collaborate with other operators out in the public so you can address the common pain points together rather than everyone is working on it behind closed doors and trying to invent the same deal at the same time separately. So that was a really, really interesting journey and I think more and more companies are following this example and not just coming and giving feedback but also more and more participating and doing coding documentation work in the community. And maybe if I can understand what I think also the question you might have been asking, that there wasn't a ton of Python developers in the beginning and it was really, and everybody's like, how can we get these OpenStack developers in the company and it was a huge shortage and the Linux was a little hanging fruit. It's like, why don't we just hire some Linux developers and then need some Python and that's how a lot of OpenStack knowledge came into companies. So that was the trend and I think enough companies, enough enterprises do see the value of something like OpenStack or Linux or Kubernetes or whatever the project has docker to actually dedicate enough full-time employees to be doing just that for as long as it makes sense and then maybe it's another technology but we saw that for years with OpenStack, huge companies and there still are. Not always the same companies but depending on what a company needs and where they are they absolutely find value in contributing back to this community. Okay and you said you got a meetup tonight? I do, yeah. Give a plug for the meetup. Juniper, it's OpenContrail and we're talking about OpenContrail and containers and it's at Juniper here in Sunnyvale so if you go to meetup.com slash OpenStack, that's our user group. We're the first ones so we got that one. The meetup.com slash OpenStack is the Silicon Valley, San Francisco Bay Area user group and then next week we're at Fam, we're talking about networking and Kubernetes. It's always good to be above the fold, that's for sure. All right, to Deco, Lisa Marie, great to see you again and thanks for stopping by and we'll see you in Boston. It's not before. Absolutely, we'll both be quite busy. We have both four presentations each. It's going to be a nutty week so I'm looking forward to seeing you guys in Boston. Always a pleasure. Thanks for inviting us. Absolutely, all right. Thanks for stopping by. Thank you. With Scott Rainovich, I'm Jeff Rick. You're watching theCUBE from Open Networking Summit 2017. We'll be back after this short break. Thanks for watching.