 Yeah, that'd be fun. I have no idea what Tom will dress as, but we'll figure it out. Yeah, what do you, what do you, do you cosplay, John? I used to, uh, and then I got sick of creepy people and I stopped. Yeah, I did, I bet. Yeah, because being on mine, that's gonna end it. Yeah, but at least, like, they can't touch me. Right, right. Oh, that's gross. Yeah, considering I was 15, not fun. Ugh. I don't need to, I don't need to, I don't need to. Trust me, every girl you know has had to deal with this. That's bad, man. Oh yeah. Yeah, every. What was your, what was your costume? What would you, what would you go out with? Oh, Sailor Moon. Oh, Sailor Moon, of course. Yeah, guaranteed, yeah. And then that was really easy to transition into Sakura for Street Fighter. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah, I sort of take off some ribbons and change them. Same skirt, same shirt, it's all good. I'm surprised Shannon probably doesn't do Sailor Moon. She doesn't. She doesn't. She doesn't. She what? I'm pretty sure she had a Sailor Mars costume at one point, because we used to talk about this a fair bit. Oh yeah. It's great, man. It's fun, you know, I mean, just for the heck of it, and like, it's just amazing to me. Like, Sailor Moon seems like a very, very simple costume, because it's not like, there's not like all these pieces and stuff, but I bet you, if it is. For me to put together, it was pretty simple, and I had to get my mom to help me Right, but if you, but if you really wanted to be like, like, you know, comic accurate and all these other things, I mean, you can go down this super big rabbit hole, which is fascinating to me. Oh, one girl made a transforming Sailor Moon costume. So she came out in like just a school uniform, and then it turned, she had like the ribbons come out, and then it turned into the full Sailor Moon costume. Oh, that's nuts, man. It was, there's a video of that online. I don't know how much time that took, but it was beautiful. Oh my gosh, geez. Yeah, I don't even know how I'm going to do this. No, I don't. You'll do it, Roger. You'll do it, Roger. You can do it. Two more arms, and then you've got this. Yeah, it's just, I need, I need like, I need like a 50 inch screen, or 30 inch screen, at least 32 inch screen. Yeah, I took one of my mom's monitors and my laptop and just put them over here to make it work. You need a producer. Yeah, I know. Don't I know it. Don't I know it. A producer to help the producer pre-seize the show. All right, and then I got to hit this record button before I start. Oh, is anyone tweeted yet? Because I realize that I have not. I have not, but supposedly a auto starts when the stream goes live. The Daily Tech News show tweets. Honestly, I haven't thought about it. We're going to say it does, yeah. We're going to find out. Daily Tech News, News SH. Let's see. Yep, it's live. So if you want it, you can retweet it. I'm going to retweet it. One more thing on your list of things to do. Monkey scene. God, that's such a big melon. It's a good thing we're not doing Hat Friday this week. I'm at the wrong spot, so I don't have any hats here. Yeah, I have a hat, but I don't know. I'm tired. I'm one of these days I just do the show naked, just tired, clothes, expectations, everything. That's the one to wait for, right? That's the Jump the Shark episode. The Roger is Naked episode. We'll call it Comfort in a Hammock. Could you imagine that would be something? Everybody is naked for a show. That would be kind of strange. Depends on whether it's all dudes or if you have ladies involved. Right, right, yeah. Well, you know what? We can pretend it's an Asana, and everyone will have skin effects. Well, no, you just frame it a little bit differently. You have a yoga party. Tom would be really... Oh, you'd see that he doesn't have a suit on, so he would come up to here. It would just be weird to see Tom without a jacket or something on. You could have a jacket still be naked. Yeah, but it's funnier though to see just like his bare shoulders would be sort of a ridiculous view. Let's see if the people in the chat room can see. Hello. All. I like the two lines. Is that you? That is you, Jen. Yo. It's a nice and easy user name. There you go. Oh, man. All right, cool. I guess we can start at any time. These things are just all in my way. I'm not used to having like everything's on the wrong side from where it is in my setup. It's like, what's where? That's the chat. That's the hangout. There's my show notes. Is there anything else? There's last minute stuff that I need to find. Any last minute news? Samsung topples. Oh, world's largest chip maker. That is good. See, these people don't... There's another time. It's a robot. I didn't even get to do my robot sound. Hello. This call is being answered by a robot. Let me see. It's so nice to have air conditioning right now. It's the latest earnings report. It's just humid, you know? It's not like here, it's not super, super hot. It's like in the 90s, but it's just humid. And that's, I think that's even worse than... Yeah, you know, that's not that big of a deal. Humidity? No, no. The Samsung topples Intel. Humidity affects some people pretty badly. Humidity is the worst. For me, it's construction. That's why I can't be at my studio. Because they're digging up the street and they're fixing the roof. So there's no way to work around that. But shoe show. We got the roof tar going. All these necessary things before the winter. Yeah, that stuff stinks. Like, well, I'm going to go over here and pet my dog all day. All right, you two, you guys want to start like three minutes early? Yeah, that's fine, man. Enjoy whatever you are. Cool. All right. I guess I should button this button. I'm not used to having a right-handed mouse. This is throwing me off. Start recording in three, two... Daily Tech News Show is powered by you. To find out more, head to dailytechnewshow.com. Hey, this is Daily Tech News Show for Friday, July 28th, 2017. I am not Tom Merritt. He and his family are enjoying the baked hot desert sun of Palm Springs. I am DTNS producer, Roger Chang, and I'm filling in for him today. But I am not alone. I am joined by Len. Hey. It's nice to be here. It seems a little bit empty with Tom, but we'll make it work. We'll make it work. Thanks for having so much confidence in me. And, of course, the lovely Jen Cutter, who is joining us all the way from what I understand, a very humid and hot Toronto. Yeah, I vacated my studio and hijacked my mom's office because she has air conditioning. It's nice to be here, and I can gloat about that while Tom is in the desert. That's great because, you know what, I am also enjoying air conditioning because I cranked up the, actually I lowered the temperature so the AC would stay on during the show, so it would be cool. I'll probably cut it right after so I can save some money. But we're going to be discussing eSports and kind of the broader subject of whether or not it's something that traditional media like the BBC, TBS, a few others have kind of stumbled upon and discovered that, hey, it possibly is a very lucrative venture for them to be in. But before we do that, let's get into some news. All right, tonight at 8.45pm. Let me pull this up real quick. I'm trying to do this with so few hands right now. Tesla is actually going to livestream the handover of the company's new Model 3s to the first 30 customers who purchased them. Yay, that they're first 30 people. Now, the Model 3 is championed by Tesla as its most affordable car yet. It's cost around $35,000 US and travels up to 215 miles per charge. I don't know, is this something you would actually stay around and watch online gen? No, but for people who are really into the whole Tesla Model and the art design, this is the great way to get a look at the car up close and personal. I assume they're going to show off as many things as possible while I do this. Yeah, and I think it would be interesting and very instructive to see what the ownership experience will be like in about two to three years. Because typically that's when people start complaining about various niggling issues. For example, with build quality, perhaps software updates, or it could be the best car purchase they ever made and they could spur on even greater demand for their products. Alright, next we have Sony. Sony, last year they raised the price on their PlayStation Plus service in the US and now they're doing the same service to Europeans starting August 31st of this year. The price per month in the UK is going up from six pounds to seven pounds a month from 15 pounds to 20 pounds for a three month subscription and from 40 to 50 pounds for an annual subscription. Now in Europe the prices will be 8 euros, 25 euros, and 60 euros relatively speaking. Now this is interesting. Is it because they think they can increase the price because they see it as a viable model that people are just going to want to pay for and not ditch? Well, it's less of an option if you play online multiplayer games. It is necessary. And like they raised our price last year as well. So I made sure to go and buy a couple of cards at the lower price because I'm a cheap jerk that way. I've seen that many Europeans will do the same too and will buy some of the cards and also you might get lucky like I did some retailers don't update their stock that much. So even after the price change, flip through the cards. You might find one that has a lower price tag still. Now something cool for everyone who uses Amazon but lives in an apartment complex like I used to. Amazon is, oh actually I skipped the story. Amazon's reporting earnings dropped 77% in the second quarter sending its stock price down 3%. Now this wasn't a big deal because this was mostly because they spent 20.2% more money this quarter in order to invest in Amazon web services, the fulfillment operations and of course their video content. And according to the CNBC, many Wall Street analysts are actually defending the move and they said they're not too concerned about it because they have strong confidence and Bezos is strategy for reinvesting in the company. So although it might have dipped, I mean it's still looking strong and granted Bezos was probably the richest man in the world for what, little less than 24 hours. He'll probably get back on top. I have to go with Wall Street on this one. They seem like really smart moves. Alright now for the story that I started accidentally and we'll bring it up right now is Amazon is rolling out a new home delivery locker service for apartment buildings and housing complexes called The Hub. The system is modular and can be indoor or outdoor depending on the complexes layout. So if you live on like a one level apartment complex or just like a multi-story building, they have a system for you. The starter hub is about six feet or six feet wide and comes with 42 compartments. And now when the delivery is made to an apartment or housing complex with The Hub installed, the package is securely locked into a compartment and then the resident is emailed a unique touchpad number that they go up to and they put the number in and the appropriate locker opens up with their delivery inside. Now the hubs can also be used by other delivery services. So DHL, FedEx, UPS, Postal Service, although Amazon was actually kind of tight-lipped on details. So what do you think? I mean you kind of flag the story because I imagine living in an apartment building, this is kind of cool. This would be really helpful for apartment buildings. But I was wondering, have you not seen stuff like this before? Because there are tons of these in and around the Toronto, Mississauga area at gas stations. They have tons of lights around them. They're 24-hour access. So I was looking at that going, but these exist already. This one just happens the same as on it. Well, what's interesting is that there are kind of a patchwork array of services right now that kind of cater to this, but nothing kind of on a broad standardized scale, which makes it very, very attractive for other delivery companies, right? Because Amazon is this huge service that everyone, at least that I know of and their mother uses. Once you have all these in, now you don't have to worry about, oh, you can leave the package to the front door. Hopefully no one, you know, snags it. I had a co-worker who lived out in the, also in the apartment condo complex. And he was having stuff as well as his neighbors just stolen because the delivery guy was leaving them out on next to the door of their, the front door. And I mean, they trace it down to a guy on the third floor. But I mean, this does add a piece of mind and hopefully ensures that your package goes to where it belongs. Anytime I would order computer parts, I would be like, even with the house, I camped out on the front porch just so they didn't leave it leaning on the front door for the entire street to see. No, I'm with you because I've had more than one thing snagged for my porch. All right, next story, we have virtual reality, social network, Alt Space VR. It's closing up shop August 3rd, 10 p.m. Eastern time. Now company spokesperson, Gerard or Gerald, Gerald said that email after the company's latest deal for its next round of funding fell through and quote, the company has run out of time and money. Now, Alt Space VR has around 35,000 active users that spend on average around 35 minutes a day with the service. Now, is this something that I have a feeling this is one of the things that we're beginning to see where you have a lot of companies that kind of got on board initially with VR, but as the market slowly matures, there's just a gradual shaking out of various bits of it as we see stronger players kind of come to the top. I'm always sad when any kind of MMO type environment shuts down because you have friends, you've made all these relationships and I'm really glad they were able to make this announcement earlier so people can get contact information and stay in touch otherwise. It's always sad when things just shut down completely and then you have no recourse. But it's the problem with taking up VR. You've got these competing headsets. You don't know which one you want to buy. You don't know who the winner is. You don't want to end up with a Betamax. It's a tough time to start these huge overarching projects. Well, it's weird because it's supported pretty broadly. The Oculus Rift, the Gear VR, HTC Fine, granted it doesn't include the PlayStation, or the Microsoft one, but it's not out so it doesn't matter. HoloLens. Thanks, Len. HoloLens. It's kind of interesting. I mean, albeit it is a relatively small number of users compared to other social networks. That was smaller than I thought it was. It's interesting. It is a smaller thing that could have had legs, but I think looking back, we'll see it as something that was a little ahead of its time and that as the technology, but also the marketplace matures, we might see something similar, although perhaps not in the same kind of second life aesthetic. The fact that users were in, they sat on average 35 minutes a day. That's pretty interesting. That is hanging out with your friends kind of time. What are you doing for 35 minutes though in VR? I want to know. Like, are you playing virtual card games? Are you playing virtual pinnacle? Are you making deals? Are you threatening people? I mean, it's human behavior being what it is. I'm just very fascinating because it's, I don't know, I think it's about as much time as you get for recess at school, right? Over the course of a day, I think that would add up. Think of all the things you accomplish, all the social butterfly that you do. You collect lunch money, you talk about sports teams, figure out whose party you're going to and all that stuff. I think of how much time we spend on chat a day just without the VR side. We need to have like more face-to-face kind of almost fake hands-on time with people. Yeah, I mean, you know, all this time... It's the start of cost. Well, you know, that's the thing is they couldn't get that next round of funding to keep them going. And having been at a company that was funded by VC for quite some time, going each time, you know, everyone's hands are sweating. So you're trying to get that like, okay, we agree to loosen our prayer strings and give you enough money for another year of operation. All right, moving forward, we have Colin Engel, CEO of iRobot. Now he backtracked on an earlier comment that he made this week to Reuters, alluding to selling mapping data from the Roomba self-vacuuming or vacuuming robots, mapping data of customers' homes. Now in a statement that he sent to ZDNet, Engel states that, iRobot will never sell your data. A company representative said that the earlier statement was just simply misinterpreted. However, Engel still wants to integrate Roomba data with other smart home services, so anything provided by Google or Apple, but added that it's going to be essentially up to the customer if they want to share that data to integrate it with those services to enhance the feature set. It's a very kind of touchy subject for a lot of people as a lot of these smart home devices make their way into more and more homes. I think a lot of people are going to be a lot more tight fisted about who gets that information. You know, you think about it, a vacuum cleaner is pretty innocuous, but it can give you the layout of someone's house, right? And that's maybe not something you want to give away. Opt-out is always better than opt-in. 100% of the time opt-out. Opting in is at least a conscious choice. You have to look into it, see what it's about, and then make your call. But my fear about this is do you really think it was misinterpreted or do you think the backlash was just loud enough that they had to pretend? You know, I'm sure he thought he was being a cool guy and it's like, yeah, you know, we got this data and sure it's only about, you know, the hardwood floors in your house and stuff, but imagine what we could do if we integrated with Google Home or whatever Amazon has or Apple. And we can build a much bigger detailed picture about your home environment. And he was thinking dollar signs, and I'm sure a lot of people were thinking, shaking their heads, saying, no, not on my watch. He probably backed off a little bit and, you know, things were misinterpreted because he said them in a very plain spoken way and people didn't like it and so they were misinterpreted. But I'm cynical. Tom will tell you that. I'm a very cynical man. Now, speaking of Apple, Apple TV has yet another patent dispute on their hands. Now, the ability for Apple TV to replay the last 15 seconds of a video or a movie that you're watching and enable caption temporarily as you watch and whenever you say, what did she say to Siri is the focus of a new lawsuit from Florida-based Custom Play. Now, Custom Play in a lawsuit is alleging that they patented that concept back in 1998. That means they, back in 1998, they had the idea of, hey, it wouldn't be great if you could just pause the video and have it rewind and then give you the captions to it just in case you didn't understand what was said during that really soft, but very important scene in the movie. Custom Play claims that it tried to contact regarding the feature back in 2014, got no response. Now, the company itself, Custom Play, produces companion apps, which they say enhance the movie-watching experience. I don't know. I don't think this would go anywhere, but it's very interesting that it is just popping up once again, well, not this particular thing, but kind of a patent dispute. I was hoping the last round, back in, was that last year early this year, kind of put the kibosh on it. But, I mean, what do you think? I was surprised when I saw this story because universal blue rays, I almost said DVDs, but I think it's only the blue rays. They have their feature called Uhear, where if you miss something, because there was an explosion or you just weren't paying attention, you click the Uhear button, it rewinds 10 or 15 seconds, plays it back with subtitles, and then turns off the subtitles just so you can catch what you missed in perfect clarity. And, like, that's been around. That patent was, the trademark was approved and they're not mentioned in this lawsuit. I don't know what the difference is that these guys are going after Apple and not Universal. Just because it's voice activated? You know, it's very interesting. I mean, there are so many ideas and so many concepts that have rolled out concurrently, but may not have had the same kind of origin. For example, I'm sure various people over the years have thought of different ways to open your garage door remotely, right? One of the original ways was the sound clicker. It was ultrasonic and it would signal the device to, upon hearing this ultrasonic sound would open the garage door, of course, in the long term, that's not such a smart idea, but it worked for what it was. I mean, I don't know, it seems, at least from my point of view, it seems a little thin for them to claim that as something they patented because they didn't explain what exactly the mechanics of what they patented, right? I can see you saying you patented a voice operated system that works with your smartphone or whatever with your integrated home and your set-top box. Just saying that it does this particular thing seems a little too broad for a patent dispute. But I could be wrong. I'm not a lawyer. I don't make money suing other companies trying to claim intellectual property rights. That said, next story is something actually I think is going to be pretty cool, is USB 3.1, the standard just got an update that doubles the maximum bandwidth from 10 gigabits per second to 20 gigabits per second. Now, the USB 3.0 promoters group says that the USB 3.2 spec is in final draft review phase. The updated standard will achieve its increased bandwidth by using two channel operation versus the one super speed channel that USB 3.1 uses, which will only be possible with a certified USB 3.1 Type-C cable. So you need one of those ones, the new Type-C ends on it. But the standard, of course, will be feature backward compatibility. Now, what's interesting is that this ties in with, of course, Thunderbolt 3 and Intel's push to kind of get that adopted wider by system builders. Because for them, USB 3.0 runs on top of Thunderbolt. So it's the same connector, it's the same connector that Thunderbolt 3 uses. I'm kind of excited because that really means we'll be coming to the point where we'll only have one or two jacks on the side of your laptop or the device, but you can hang like a multitude of devices off of them. I was angry when I first read this article until I got to the point where it said backwards compatibility. Because when I buy a new computer, it will have the latest standard and I will need new cables. But at least if I only have to buy a couple of new cables, that's better than having to buy 19 different kinds of cables. And I think at least for laptop builders or tablet builders, this really simplifies your ability to integrate with a bunch of other devices. As you get higher speeds, that means you can get bandwidth hungry devices that perhaps wasn't suited even for USB 2.0. Mass storage like RAID devices and stuff. And you can connect those without having to have five or different dongles that you keep in a bag that I used to do. I used to run around CES like I need one of these, I need one of these, I need one of these just to get something done. It's pretty neat. I think it's pretty cool. Did they say anything about the power consumption for this kind of stuff? I think it's going to take the existing power that they have for USB 3.0. In other words, the same amount of current that you can run over 3.1 will apply to 3.2. But of course they could make changes to the spec even if it's final draft review phase. I mean, really, this isn't something that consumers really need to do actively other than look for new products that support it. And finally, BBC Three. As we all know, the BBC has multitude of channels. Three is their online digital one starting tonight and for the next six weeks, it's going to bring four hours of E-Sports coverage every weekend. That partnered with Gfinity and the Elite League Series One and it will stream Street Fighter V on Fridays, Counter-Strike Global Offensive on Saturdays and Rocket League on Sundays. Now, although the partnership is for six weeks only, Engadget is musing that perhaps it is a trial run for a more permanent and larger block of E-Sports programming on BBC Three. Is this something you think you'd ever watch? I know that you don't watch a lot of BBC stuff online. Yeah, it's hard because I really get... Well, now that the iPlayer, but I pay for Doctor Who off Amazon. Possibly. I mean, it's really interesting because this actually segues straight into our main discussion. Being an older fellow and somewhat with a limited understanding of E-Sports and broadcasting, I think this kind of stands out into, is this an attempt by an existing content provider, or in this case, the BBC, to be more relevant to an audience or a younger demographic that has been so attuned to streaming video, whether it's on Netflix, YouTube, and of course, you know, Twitch, a multitude of different platforms, but kind of like, hey, you know, it's not just going to be Richard Attenborough documentaries. It's not going to be costume dramas. It's going to be stuff that, you know, you're going to be interested in seeing. And I'm wondering, I mean, we're outside of things like sponsorships. Where does the money come from? I mean, is it going to be running ads in it? Is it going to be selling merchandise like BBC Three, E-League kind of thing? Well, for BBC, would they not have commercials? Like, would BBC Three have commercials online? I don't think they do. No, not BBC specifically. But I mean, in a broader setting of like, you know, because DPS, TBS has their own system or sort of E-League show set up, right? Yes. They do Counter-Strike Go, and there are commercial breaks, which are traditional television commercial breaks. You will see regular commercials for fast food and all that. But I mean, like, is there, is this a situation where the demand has basically come from the audience? Like, we really want to see this stuff. Or is it to the point where, you know, like, we want to see this stuff. So, you know, TBS, BBC is like, hey, you know, people are knocking on their door telling us they want us to see this stuff. Let's give it to them. Or is it because that the E-Sports kind of arena has gotten so huge that a lot of these traditional barcasses used to look as like, well, that's just small potatoes, right? We're not interested to the point where, okay, now it's not small potatoes anymore. Now it's a big potato with a side of steak and a lobster. So we're going to try to, we're going to try to see what, if we're going to make a business model out of this and maybe use a traditional kind of sports franchise, like, you know, whether it's like NFL, NHL, MLB, NBA, or something like UFC where it's pay-per-view. Let's do a lot of pay-per-view boxing where we can just set up matches. We can set up events that people will pay, you know, five bucks to watch and, you know, cross that over, you know, half a million or more viewers. I mean, that's not small change. No, let me back up a bit to talk about where E-Sports has been on TV so far and how they've arranged it. Because last year, the Evo Street Fighter V finals were on ESPN 2. They did that again this year. And on top of that, they also aired the Smash Brothers Wii U finals on ESPN U and Disney XD. And Disney being part of the whole ABC family, that was a bit of a surprise. But it made sense for that audience to have a Disney XD network and the Smash characters. I think there's a lot of crossover in that Venn diagram. And then you already mentioned TBS and their E-League with Counter-Strike Go. Incredible production. I really love watching it even though we can't legally do so in Canada. They are also broadcasting Road to the International for Dota 2. Continuing with Dota 2, there is a network. It's UK-based but available in many countries on television but also you can pay for it online called Jinx with a G. And they are showing pretty much everything that has to do with the International and they're doing the last two days ad-free. Which is where things get interesting because you can watch stuff on Twitch without ads if you pay for Twitch Prime. But there are still ads integrated in the broadcast. I pay for Twitch Prime, I watch a ton of Evo but there are still commercial breaks because there's always downtime. There's technical setup, players need breaks between matches. Sometimes you have to find the player who is not ready for their match. And then announcers and the Talking Heads will talk about ads. They'll mention the sponsors, they'll do shout-outs to Razor or Samsung or whatever we'll pay for airing a commercial within the broadcast which paying for Twitch Prime does not cover. So when Jinx says they're doing it ad-free, I'm kind of wondering how many Talking Heads do they have to cover all the breaks that will be in the broadcast? So, I mean, it seems like we're kind of at that ramp-up phase where there's just a lot of players and there's a lot of activity that's happening. For example, I haven't heard much about YouTube's gaming channel or initiative. I mean, it was a big deal like late last year and I could be just super dense but I haven't heard very little from it. And in a way, I'm wondering if they're re-evaluating their position or they're just perhaps rebooting their plans that they had into something else. I agree that they've been pretty quiet. The next big thing in esports coming is Blizzard's Overwatch League. They're doing it as a franchise system. So they've announced which cities will have teams and it's all big money players behind it. They're like small independents that are really skilled but they haven't announced any broadcasting rights yet. I don't know whether it's going to be like terrestrial broadcast or if they're going to launch their own service. Are they going to partner with Twitch or are they going to partner with YouTube? Blizzard likes to be really hands-on. It's going to be fascinating to see which way this league goes and how it develops because there is so much money in it. Well, the money seems to be there but I think part of the problem is and I'm going to feel a lot like Scott Johnson trying to discuss Bitcoin because how does this get set up? For example, these leagues, are they shared across? Are these the same leagues that we're seeing over on different networks? Are these unique leagues in the same way that for each game has its own league in the same way that baseball is MOB, basketball is NBA kind of thing and they will basically set up exclusive contracts to say like, okay, you can get X number of episodes, you get these matches or you get our championships kind of thing, like our Super Bowl and you can run your ads and that. I mean, how many e-leagues are there? Or e-sports leagues are there right now? Oh, my goodness. There usually aren't too many different leagues within the same game. Counter-Strike will have different leagues and there are all kinds of scheduling conflicts with that. Street Fighter is centralized more around Capcom Cup which is run through many different majors that were community events. Rocket League has their own thing. Generally, the bigger ones are publisher supported which is why Valve and Dota 2, the international prize pool this year is $22 million. So are my, I could use $22 million. Oh, my goodness. I don't even play Dota 2. I watch the international because it is just amazing the emotion that runs through that event. But that money is raised through fans of the game, through players of the game, buying these packs where the funds go towards this prize pool. Do you see this at some point? Do you see a coverage of e-sports becoming more mainstream as the audience for it becomes bigger? Or is the audience already there and these broadcasters suddenly just realizing that they exist and they need to cater to them? Some fighting game clips have shown up on SportsCenter just because they were easy to understand and clever and funny and that brought a lot of attention to the sport and as more of these broadcasts become more common, more people get used to it, more people tune in. But will the existing fans who watch online for free through every console they own which they can connect to their TV if they feel like it will they start paying for specialty channels or pay-per-view broadcasts? I don't know. I've seen a couple of pay-per-view events and they usually get yelled at a lot like a kid in a cowboy in the past. Yeah, they wind about, I'm not paying $14 to watch this one event. Why should I give you money? These days, the production value is much, much higher than it's been in the past. You've seen the TVSE League. I understand there's money in that. They have to make money somehow. They're making it through these broadcast ads and their sponsorships. With all things that involve a great deal of money, eventually there comes consolidation where a larger player starts buying up a lot of the smaller players. We've seen it before with certain sports teams and sports leagues getting swallowed up. NFL being a good example. Is that something that's still kind of far off in the future for eSports or is this something that might be, where it might be in the middle of as everyone kind of sizes up kind of where they are in the market but also the competition for all these eyeballs? If you are a law student right now, I would recommend taking a look at eSports law. It's a developing area. There are some great players in there looking out for the players because all of the money and power reside with the publishers and the broadcasters. There have been interesting talks about contracts and how to protect players and how to manage transfers between teams and just teams in general because there's been some weird collusion type things going on with hiding contracts. No, not that kind of like, yes, that was a problem too, but just in terms of like paying a player and not playing them just so that another team wouldn't get them. Ah, so ranking them out kind of thing. There's no eSports player union at this point in time. So it's interesting because what you're describing is kind of how a lot of major sports leagues kind of went through the ranks and a lot of the growing pains. It's safe to say that we're still in the growing pain stage but it is gaining traction to the point where 22 million, the 22 million dollars you mentioned, that's not small change. That isn't like, hey, you win $2,000 and a free overnight stay at the Hilton, at Reno or Lake Tahoe. This is serious money. This is selling out stadiums on a regular basis. In Toronto, they sold out the Air Canada Center. It was amazing. See, this is one of those things that I feel is a generational shift. I'm kind of borderline like street fighter games totally excite me like Dota and the other stuff, not so much. But like this I think is a, would you say the audience averages around 35 and under or younger than that or older? That is a very good question. I'm not sure about the demographics. I know the younger kids are watching but most of the people I know that watch are my age or older and we're the ones technically with money. That's what I'm trying to figure out is because that is a demographic with money. Back when that audience was say in their early 20s, people could kind of slough them off as saying they're just out of school. They maybe have their first job but they don't have a huge disposable income. There's a reason why comic book movies have been coming out for the past eight years because that cohort, that group of people that grew up on them has finally matured to the age where they still like that content. They're still into that content but now they have a much larger bank account to kind of spend into that hobby that they had and I think we're seeing the same thing where now you have an audience or at least a fan base for professional sports, electronic gaming come to the fore where now they can spend money because now they are in a position where they have a large disposable income. They have their life relatively together. Some people I know don't. It's interesting because everything leads, I mean you follow the money, that's what everyone says. But no, it's really interesting. I mean, is there something on the horizon before the end of the year you think will be the biggest, at least or the big or big events that will happen before the end of 2017? Well Capcom Cup is in December. I'm definitely looking forward to that. That is the main Street Fighter championship that isn't EVO, but EVO is on the road to that. So winning EVO gives you a ton of points to put you ahead in the Capcom Cup standings. I actually want to talk about, you mentioned Marvel and there's a new Marvel game coming out this year and with all of the, as you said, like the fans for Marvel, would they be interested in playing the video game where all of the Marvel heroes fight each other? But with the barrier to entry of how difficult fighting games were, which we were talking about before the show, I wonder how many people will stick with it or as some advertisers would like, they'll just be interested in watching these heroes beat up each other even though they can't play the game that well. I mean, that's, you make a very fascinating point and we're kind of running out of time, but I'm going to bring it up very short, bring this up. These sports are the viewer's competitors or people who play it or can they just be spectators? For example, I don't really play football and I never played football, but I like watching the Super Bowl and I like watching, you know, the season play out. People will say the same thing about baseball. They might not be great at baseball or have very little interest playing it themselves, but they enjoy watching the sport. I mean, is that something similar for an e-sports audience? Do they all have to be gamers, right? I mean, typically when people think, oh, e-league this, e-league that, they think like a bunch of guys, you're catering to a bunch of guys or gals that really love playing those games or can you just be someone who just knows the rules for it, like, you know, fighting game and you just enjoy the spectacle, like, you know, it's like virtually hovering over the arcade, you know, when people have a big match, which used to be a big thing in my college, you know, people would huddle around the Street Fighter 2 when the two best players would come and play during lunch. That's what Twitch means now. Well, yeah, I mean, Twitch. I mean, Twitch, let's play, but are those people, are those people that watch, are they gamers or can they be other people who just like watching that kind of activity play out? Yeah, I think you will get those people on TV that you won't get signing up for Twitch. It is probably a way to grow the game, so to speak. I mean, because I'm thinking with Marvel, people may like the Marvel characters and what you're saying, like, they're not maybe that good at playing or even understanding how to play, but they like it because it's a very simple dynamic, right? I mean, it's very straightforward. Very flashy. Very flashy, you've got powers and stuff and you have things that are recognizable. For example, the Marvel characters and one person loses and another one wins and so there's no kind of weird system of like, oh, they need to get so many resource points for that in order to win, you know, like Starcraft. But very interesting. Well, you know, I think it's going to be a big thing and I hope for the best because honestly, I really suck at Street Fighter 2 and 4 and 5 and whatever else, but I really like watching it. It's kind of hypnotic in a way. It's like, you know, you just watching your mind wanders a little bit. It's a nice feel to it. Alright, moving on to the messages of the day. We got one from Martin Rojas who shares his thoughts on yesterday's new items, news item on YouTube Red and Google Play Music Merging. He writes in the discussion yesterday about Google Merging Play Music with YouTube Red, I actually pay for the family package of Play Music almost exclusively for getting YouTube with no ads for me and my family. I am not a big music listener, but it's nice to have. For me, that money is worth to use YouTube with no ads. Second to the point that Justin was making about medical information being secure in doctors' offices, I think for the most part, the industry has horrible security as with the worm last month taking down hospitals. We don't really hear about it because right now that information really doesn't, I mean, that information really isn't worth much. If Amazon is able to take that medical information and make it valuable, there will be open season on hospitals and doctor's offices, much the same way that personal computers have seen the rise of attacks since cryptocurrency made it worth it. I mean, Martin brings up a very interesting point. Now, yesterday, just to fill in audience members, Justin and Paul Spain were talking about Google Merging Play Music with YouTube Red because they weren't... I don't think they were again the audience numbers that they wanted, and people were a little confused because they overlapped in terms of content. But what Martin's saying is he paid for one in order to get YouTube Red without... or YouTube with no ads, which is someone with a two-and-a-half-year-old is huge because you want to sit through an ad when your child's favorite music video is coming up and they're screaming about it. About the doctor's security, I think Amazon, and we were talking about Amazon potentially moving into the medical business, whether it's pharmacies or doing telemedicine as part of their Skunk Works project to develop new businesses. I mean, I really think that if a larger player can come in... I mean, to be honest, just because something's not big doesn't mean it's vulnerable, right? Just because not everyone sees the value, just having information being able to be hacked and leaked and available to people that shouldn't have it is a concern for everyone. And if an Amazon can bring in a system that ensures security like super-tight, HEPA-level security, HEPA, the federal thing on disclosing medical information, like locked down, I think it could spur more, at least more competition in the industry because right now a lot of legacy systems are there because they've always been there and people maybe not familiar enough with IT might not see any need to update or protest in newer infrastructure for security reasons because it's something that they don't encounter on a regular basis. But, you know, it's a given take. Honestly, I think Amazon's foray into it is probably a net positive. I don't think it'll be too negative. I mean, is that something you would consider doing? I mean, granted, Canada has a universal healthcare system. But if Amazon decided, because I know pharmacy isn't covered, if Amazon went into the business of covering the pharmacy business because of their size, they could lower the cost of, you know, a certain prescription medication. I mean, wouldn't that be a plus? I would hope that we would take advantage of that, but I'm in Ontario and we have the Liquor Control Board of Ontario, the LCBO, one of the biggest purchasers of alcohol in the world and they refuse to use their size to bring down the price of alcohol because they do not consider that a benefit to Ontario. So, provinces get weird about this sort of thing. So, what you're saying is that it might work in the US, but not so much in Canada? It might work here, too, but you mentioned universal healthcare, but it's all provincial based. So, everyone runs things a little differently. If we had a whole federal thing, then I think you could get that kind of benefit to the people. I think... Yeah. I'll take a touchy subject right now. I know, believe me, it is, especially in this house called my household. All right, Len, let us visit with you and to see what amazing creation you have drawn up from my constant meanderings of eSports, like an old guy on a porch. Well, I'm excited about eSports myself. I want to see what happens with it. Incidentally, we talked about eSports a year ago, almost to the day, last year on the last show. But as, of course, if you're not playing eSports, you're watching it, which means that you're going to be streaming six weeks of eSports and not playing your games. And this is what it's going to look like. If you go to my store, you can check it out. It's basically a gamer who has a little Hadouken flag, but he's also covered in spiderwebs because he hasn't played his own games because he's been watching six weeks of eSports. So I guess it's a trade-off. I love that you threw in the old-school gamer chair that I think most of us have. I'm glad you noticed that. The last time I moved, I finally gave mine away. Just get this away from me. I'm never going to use it again. I spent many a night on the chair just like that, playing Street Fighter. I think I still had a CRT at the time. You know what's interesting is you put spiderweb cobwebs in there to indicate that they've been there for a long time. That's actually not too far out from the realm of reality because I remember going to my friend's house and he was in an epic Street Fighter 2, back on the PlayStation, Street Fighter 2 match with a bunch of guys, not noticed a spider crawling on his shoulder. I don't think it was just spinning a web, but when you're super intense at something like that, it's like complete tunnel vision. You don't see anything. Dude, you've got to be quite around. That's what I think is going to happen, hopefully with six weeks of streaming eSports. I guess the time will tell what's going to happen. You can pick this print up right now at lendproltstore.com. It's right on the front page. Or you can back me over to patreon.patreon.com for it slash lend at the DTNS Lover level. You get this and many other prints as high res PDFs at the end of the month. There you go. All right. Jen, is there a site people can find out more about what you're up to and your work? The best place is still currently Twitter, which is at Jen Cutter. That's Jen with two N's Cutter. All right. Thank you so much, everyone. All right. Now, if you ever wonder what we talked about before the show, we talked a lot of before the show. There's like 15 minutes of it. Sometimes it's the news and sometimes it's food and sometimes, frankly, it's both. It's awesome, but it's exclusive for Patreons. So if Patreons, you can get an exclusive RSS feed where you get to add some of their favorite, that you can add to your favorite podcasting app to get exclusive content from the show, pre-show, post-show, all-round show. 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I am impressed with his ability to manage all that. Sorry. I apologize to the audience. I missed a few cues there trying to find everything. But crazy. Crazy. But I love the show. You guys were great. Len was great. Counter-strike was okay. What's that flag now? I know they do street fighter movies. For the most part, I think they stink. Even the animated ones are garbage. I'm sorry. I said one of them. One of them was good. There's 12 now at this point. There are so many. Titles. Vote for them over at showbotTV. At the top of the heap, we got eSports, a win-win situation. Are you ready for some eSports.com in a not-to-monday night football? Are you ready for the football? Sony ups US prices. Now up yours, Europe. I like that. I'm not sure if we can get away with it though. Social VR faces reality. I like that one. 15-second lawsuits. What did they patent? Very gone. Subtitled lawsuit. Are you an eSport? No. I actually like, are you ready for some eSports? Yeah, that's a good one. I'm going to vote for that one. There's still time to vote. It's going to take me a minute or so to figure out where everything just recorded to. BioCal in the chat room says that Tom is part octopus. I believe that. I do not find that to be absurd at all. I think it's highly probable. When Tom sits down in front of the camera he suddenly transforms into octopus form below and he's doing all this magic. You don't get to see it. I've actually been at his house when he's doing the show and I've seen him transform into an octopus. I can verify. I have a feeling he's kind of like a duck-ock. Like he's a little device. It's not on his back. It's like on his legs or something. All right, gang. I'm going to log off, but it was nice being here. Good job, Roger. That was awesome. Thank you, Lynn. Thanks for being part of the show today. No problem. Bye. It's just you and me, Jen. Yep. What was the pre-show talk today? Were you recording when we were talking about every fighting game in existence? Yes, we did. We covered a lot of bases there. Well, you mentioned SNK and I know SNK did a street fighter crossover with... With Capcom. Capcom vs. SNK 2 is one of my favorite games. That was it. Capcom vs. SNK. The SNK version, I remember being not so hot. The animations were kind of crappy and the moves weren't as good. The same moves, but they just didn't seem to work. I don't know. It did a control scheme, too, because one's like six-button, one's four-button. Well, there's the... What's the not arena combat? What's the one that they do? What's the really super popular SNK fighter? King of Fighters? Yeah, King of Fighters. I love the new one. Then they thrown the fighting... What's the fighting range? Art of Fighters Those characters, they had really god-awful moves to pull off their special moves. I just remember really being annoying, but I do like King. King was the only one with a normal Ryu Ken fireball motion. That's the hard part about when you're really good at one fighting game and transferring that to another, because Tekken is one system and Justice is another system. Mortal Kombat's kind of close to that one and mash his own thing. The only Mortal Kombat one I ever got really good with was Raiden and Sub-Zero because their moves are pretty straightforward. Raiden was tap-tapped to... No, tap-tapped to do where he flies at you. You do the fireball to do the lightning and then you just kind of slam the stick and he disappears and reappears. Sub-Zero, the three buttons with the block back and he slides. The roundhouse. I know his fatality move. Sub-Zero is the only one I know with this. He's the only fatality I know. I used to know all the friendship moves. That was my favorite thing, because it made people so mad. I was like, why don't you take the head off? It was like... I miss arcades, but I don't miss spending that kind of money. I like spending that money at home so I can play on my TV. I remember arcades in the 80s slowly going really seedy and then I remember only fighting arcade machines in two places. At the quad at college and at bus terminals. At Grey House bus terminals. And maybe a pizza, like a Shaky's Pizza Shack. I had a couple of pizza places and hockey ranks. I spent a great deal of time in hockey ranks and those arcade machines made a lot of money for me. I eventually found the switch for one. Whoever built the cabinet or whatever, the on-off switch was at the top. If you did it just right, you could actually cheat yourself into a free game. I didn't do it just right. Turtles in Time. Still the greatest arcade game, though. Which one? The Street Fighter 2? I don't know if we can be friends. They were quarter-eaters. That's what they were designed to do. You can play with three of your teammates and that's why it was great. I liked games that I could finish on a quarter. What could you finish on a quarter? I could finish Street Fighter 2 on a quarter. I don't need to continue with that. I finished Gyrus. I finished Commando. Not only did I finish Commando, I flipped it. So it would start back at the beginning. You just keep playing, playing. Gallagher. Of the more modern games, I think Street Fighter 2 and maybe the original Mortal Kombat, I could beat on a single quarter. But after that, things like NBA Jam and Hangt and stuff like that were just designed to eat quarters. You get your one period and you got to stick in the other quarter. Or a set of quarters or a lot of quarters. In the case of Afterburner with the... Remember Afterburner from Sega? I do. I remember paying a buck because it was the old unit that was a sit-in that had the hydraulics that would move when you move the stick. It would move the cabinet like you were saying. When Americans pay a dollar for a game, is it bills or just quarters? Quarters or tokens. Oh, that makes sense. Because first we just have loonies, so it's really easy. No, no. You have to go to the... You either have to go with a guy with the change like in his belt pocket or the fanny pack that's in the front. You go to the register or you go to the little machines on the side. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Now arcade games I only find at like Sega Playdium exist by Square One and Mississauga. That's all games and movie theaters. They have arcade machines. And that's it. I haven't seen one elsewhere in a long time. Even the ones that are what is it called? Even the arcades and movie theaters suck. Because they're... They're what? Some of them are like ticket based and the other ones are just shooters. Yeah, that's the thing I was going to complain about. They're all shooters. You can't have five shooters and three driving games. People want something a little more. Oh, no, no. They always have one or two claw games. Claw games are everywhere. Those are still in hockey arenas. Wait. Who plays a claw game at a hockey arena? There are a lot of bored kids because if you have an older brother who plays and you get dragged out to the game, you're just going to bug your mom for quarters to go play the game. Because it's all play until you win and so you leave with a crappy prize every time or some candy. You know, there are people who are super into those games and I have never understood why. Well, they're the ones with the really expensive prizes in it, which I don't understand. Thinking, why would you get a DS, put it in this thing that you have to then drop? That's not good for the DS. No, it's not. All right, everyone. I need to stop broadcasting, but thank you so much for supporting the show, helping me out this week, at least these past two days. Kevin is back Monday with Veronica Belmont. I don't anticipate him leaving for a while, hopefully, because I'm going to have the meltdown if he does, because it's super, super, super crazy, but thank you again so much. Talk to you guys next week.