 Hello everyone. We're about to record a show. Here we go. I've decided to show my support for The Daily Tech News Show. Well, how could this have been done? Simple. All I did was go to patreon.com.ace.detect and pledge a dollar a month. Hey, it's only a dollar for some awesome content. Value for value, right? Go ahead and take it away, Tom. This is The Daily Tech News for Monday, October 19th, 2015. I'm Tom Merritt, joining me today as she does most Mondays. Ms. Veronica Belmont, DTNS contributor and host of Dear Veronica on Engadget. Hiya, Benvy. I'm great. How are you, Tom? I am good. We are joined today by a very exciting guest, Mr. Josh Clark, senior writer at HowStuffWorks.com and co-host of the podcast Stuff You Should Know. Thanks for joining us, Josh. Tom, thank you for having me. We are going to talk about turning your trash into power, which sounds a little bit like a self-help book, but that's not what it is at all, is it, Josh? No, it's not. It's exactly what it sounds like if you think it's not like a self-help book. There you go. If you take that big value, it's right there. Although you could conceivably burn, well, not burn, but you could turn trashed self-help books into this power. Definitely. You could get a lot of power from that. I've always said this show is becoming increasingly trashy. So this is just proof of that. That's how we make it more powerful, Veronica. Oh, of course. Of course. All right, we're going to get to that in a bit, but let's start with some headlines. Xiaomi announced the Mi TV 3 because they like to rhyme in English. It's a 60-inch 4K display with a detachable sound bar that contains speakers, as you might expect, but also a processor, storage, and running the Mi UI software. So it's kind of like a cross between a sound bar and a Roku. The bar can be purchased separately for RMB999 if you're in China. The full package with the TV runs $4,999 RMB. That's about $800 US, both coming to China. Xiaomi's portfolio company Ninebot also announced its first product since it acquired Segway back in April. The Ninebot Mini is a scooter without a handle. It can be controlled by movements in your legs or by an app on your phone. It can travel 22 kilometers on a charge, up to 16 kilometers an hour, and will be available for $1,999 RMB. Both products are coming to China November 3rd. I like this idea of a detachable thing so that you can just upgrade your TV's processor without having to get a whole new TV. I love that because just being able to have some sort of control over electronics in that way, that's not something we can typically do. If you want to upgrade your TV, the way you do that is you buy a new TV. So didn't Samsung have something called the Evolution Pack that's supposedly just put onto the back of your TV? Yeah, exactly. But that was just for the internals. So this is like halfway between that and a full-on Yamaha soundbar packed together with a Roku, I guess. And the prices keep shocking me at first, and then I see the dollar amount after that. I'm like, oh, that's quite reasonable actually. Yeah, so bad. I love this next story. Facebook announced it'll start sending users banner notifications if the company suspects state-sponsored attackers have targeted their account. In a blog spot post, Facebook claims government-sponsored attacks tend to be more advanced and dangerous and warrant notification. Facebook stresses the notification does not mean the site itself has been compromised, and they really don't say what you're supposed to do if you see that banner. They say that you should secure your accounts, but I'm not sure how much they actually get into how you go about doing that. Yeah, they say turn on login notifications, which sends a code to your phone anytime you log in. It's a two-factor authentication type of thing. But I guess if you have that on already, I don't know. Well, this is happening to you. Good luck with that. We just want to let you know that there's a state-sponsored attack happening on your account right now. We can't really do anything about it. We are not compromised. You might be. Maybe they can gamify it, and you can collect badges. Like, I was hacked by Estonia, no Russia. The big one's China. Yeah, and there's a difference for, like, well, the IP address was China, so I only got a bronze badge versus, like, no, we definitely confirmed it was from China. Apple's App Store has removed apps after an analytics service source DNA found 256 applications. We're using private APIs to collect user information like email addresses, the parts of your devices, serial numbers, and a list of installed apps. Chinese app developers were using an SDK from a Chinese ad company called UMEI, and according to source DNA, UMEI tested obfuscation techniques slowly to see just what they could sneak through Apple's App Review process. Flying Spatula, SP Sheridan, and Star Fury Zeta all submitted a version of this story on the subreddit. Wow. So it is interesting how they were able to get this approval through the App Store process because the SDK didn't look like it was doing anything bad at first. So now it was a bad, we've had bad Xcode downloads previously, and now we're getting bad SDK. This is, things are getting a little interesting over there in the Apple App Store world. Yeah, it got popular, right? When things get popular and people start trying to poke holes in it. In more Apple news, Mac Rumors reports Apple will replace retina displays on MacBook and MacBook Pros whose anti-reflective coding is wearing away or delaminating. Affected customers will need to schedule a Genius Bar appointment or visit an Apple authorized service provider to see if they qualify. Eligible customers have three years from the date of purchase or one year from October 16th, 2015, whichever is longer, to get the fix. Customers that are already paid for out-of-warranty repair may be eligible for a refund through Apple Care Support. Sources tell Mac Rumors Apple does not plan to announce the program publicly. Why? So that's funny. This whole story sounds perfectly fine up until you get to the part where they're like, oh, we're not going to ever admit this. I was like, oh, this is nice. It's a good thing that they're doing this. It's good that they're getting the word out. Knows they're somehow leaking it through Mac Rumors or various other press outlets who are figuring it out. That's weird. It's a weird thing to do. Do they still test the hardware for like nicotine or something like that and then just reject it outright? For nicotine? Yeah. Didn't Apple used to do that? If you sent in your Macbook or anything like that for service, they would test it for nicotine. And if they found any traces that you've been smoking around it, they sent it back and said, nope, you just voided your warranty. Right. There was the water spot detector, too. That's what I knew about. The water spot detector actually makes sense. I forgot about the nicotine thing. That's awesome. Google for Work said on Monday it will cover the fees for a Google Apps subscription for enterprise clients who have pre-existing enterprise agreements with a competitor. Google said it will also help out with deployment costs of up to $25 per user. Of course, once the competitor's contract runs out, regular Google App rates will apply. Plans available for companies in the U.S. and Canada, but Google hopes to bring it to other countries. So they're aggressively trying to ease the cost of transitioning from IBM, Microsoft, et cetera, to using Google for Work. Seems like a good incentive. Yeah. Pay for stuff. That'll incentivize people. And Google says they claim that you would get a 70% reduction in costs on an ongoing basis as well because they're priced better, et cetera, et cetera. Saving, saving, savings. Come on down to Google's crazy enterprise. Captain Kipper sent us the news that the trial is over and Amazon is now going to charge its promised $299 a year for Amazon Fresh Grocery Delivery Service. That fee gets you a standard Amazon Prime subscription as well as free delivery on orders more than $50. For comparison, Engadget points out Rival Instacart offers an annual subscription for $99 a year and free delivery for orders over $35, putting Amazon in the unfamiliar position of being the more expensive option out there on the market. Now, of course, Instacart doesn't come with free Amazon Prime, which is obviously a huge draw. But I'm kind of shocked about that. I was looking forward to trying this, but $300 a year. I mean, I got in on the $99 Amazon Prime level, so this is not a huge incentivizer for me. I think I'll stick with Instacart for my lazy shopping days. If I'm paying for something like this and then I have to pay a delivery fee on top of that, first of all, to order enough that I'd have to pay a $50 delivery fee seems kind of crazy. And then to say, oh, but you're also spending $300 a year. I just don't see myself ever wanting to do this. And I live in Los Angeles where no one wants to drive. Delivery is important. Frankly, Instacart has had some flack in the past for raising prices on items in the stores that they were shopping to get an additional margin on those. But now they notify you which stores are prices as is. So you can go in and say, oh, I like to shop at this Whole Foods. Okay, this Whole Foods, the prices are the same on Instacart as they are if I went into the store. Not all stores are going to be like that. I don't yet know if Amazon is doing a similar thing if they're adding an additional fee on top of the delivery charge on top of the $299 a year subscription fee. So we'll say none of that. They have to cover their costs on all that superfluous packaging and shipping stuff that they use unnecessarily. I guess that's probably, that explains it for me. But they're driving up in a truck. They already own the infrastructure though. The weird thing is, do they really need to charge this much? They already have drivers out there. They're already doing deliveries every day. They have to actually get the people to go in and do the shopping though I don't know what their setup there is. They may be doing a Google Express thing where they have groceries in a centralized location. I don't know what their infrastructure looks like for grocery shopping. Yeah, I would guess they have some sort of warehouse or something like that. I mean like if they're going to the store, surely they're not. I would guess they're buying groceries on mass and then just distributing them as needed, right? Yeah, I think they're webbanging them. You think they're doing it that way? Yeah, I think Amazon has a centralized location for most of these items. They're not doing the going around and shopping thing. But still, like... So for me, that makes me feel like the price should be less. Right, exactly. I know there are human beings going to the store buying the items and texting me if they can't find what they need and letting me know. I don't know if there's going to be that same level of service. Yes, I use Instacart occasionally. I buy the same stuff all the time. I need to browse. You can't discover products from local shops and restaurants. So you can. They do have some shoppers going out. Just double check that. Okay, good. All right. Well, okay. Just $299 though, really. A lot. A lot. That's a lot of cabbage. You get the prime stuff. You get the free shipping on all Amazon products and the shows and the music and all this stuff. Well, someday they'll deliver it by drone and then it'll be worth it. Until then, the US Department of Transportation and the USFAA are still working on creating a task force to develop streamlined registration processes for some consumer drones. That's right, folks. You may have to register your drone with the United States government. The group will also determine which aircraft, like toys or small drones, that should be exempt due to low safety risk. Recommendations are due November 20th from that task force. Have you registered your drone? I don't have a drone. Or do I? I'm doing this as well. What's that, Josh? I'm drone-less as well. Although the moment someone fired a gun using a drone, I'm fine with the government requiring people to register their drones from that point on. Well, there's a backdoor second amendment issue, isn't there? I think because of the problems that they've had near airports and near wildfires here in California particularly, the idea of coming up with some kind of system like this isn't a horrible idea, and we should jump all over them right at the beginning of the task force. Let's see how they end up defining it. But I know a lot of people who just fly drones and parks recreationally and behave themselves will definitely chafe at the idea of, wait, I have to register my drone. Now that's ridiculous. Well, yeah, especially if there's a fee for it, which I imagine there would be, hopefully it wouldn't be exorbitant, because I mean you make a pretty good case there are a lot of people out there just want to fly their drone around the park and don't have any nefarious ideas behind it. Well, Lenovo got its new PC announcements out finally. The 13-inch Yoga 900 has Skylake i5 and i7 processors with up to 16 gigabytes of RAM and up to 512 gigabytes SSD. The convertible starts to ship today starting at $1,199.99 and 1,199 pounds in the UK and comes in silver, orange and gold. Lenovo has launched the Yoga Home 900. Be careful if you order one right away because Yoga Home is a 27-inch touchscreen tabletop PC with 5th generation Core i5 and i7 processors with a 3-hour battery life. If you're not familiar, the form factor is essentially a giant tablet with a kickstand. It's available for order now for $14.99 US. No, I ordered the Yoga 900, not the Yoga 900 Home. I don't have a home big enough for the Yoga 900 Home. I'm so confused. Like why would you do that? Why would you name a 27-inch tablet, which is, first of all, we'll talk about that separately, the same as your 13-inch tablet or I guess it's a convertible laptop. Yeah, so a 27-inch touchscreen tabletop PC is the Yoga Home 900? Yes, they're both the Yoga 900. One just says home. But what's the home 900? Because it's the size of a house. Ah, yes. That's how you remember it. 27 inches, that's pretty big. Yeah. I mean, for a desktop computer, I guess it's not ridiculously big anymore. There's IMAX tops out at 27 inches and everything. But as a tablet, I mean it's a tablet with a kickstand. It sounds like a Microsoft Surface, basically, with a kickstand. Remember when they first came out with it and Bjork was making music with it and all that? Right. The big table version. Not the little laptop convertible that's called the Surface Now. I know what you're talking about. Right, right. Yeah, the original one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you put that and raise it up, I think that's this. If Bjork would deliver it to my house. That'd be cool. Yeah. With a drone. Flying on top of a drone. Finally, thanks to the dozens of you who pointed out this weekend that the one terabyte version of the Microsoft Surface book became available. I had said I was considering buying one, but I wanted it to have one terabyte hard drive. And now it does for a pre-order price of $3,200, shipping in seven to eight weeks sometime in late January. So I'll be mortgaging my home in order to buy one of those. And that's a look at the headlines. All right, let's talk about plasma converters. Now, Josh, I'm going to let you explain it, but in brief, the way I understand it is this is something that can convert trash into various molecules that can then themselves as gases or heat be converted to energy. But there's no actual burning going on. Is that right? No, huh? It actually uses, well, plasma, first of all, is considered the fourth state of energy. It's like a gas, but it's like a cookie gas where electrons are free roaming, which means it has an electrical charge and it creates an electromagnetic field. And you can produce plasma. Well, it's basically like lightning. When lightning rips through the air, the air around it gets super heated and turns into plasma itself. This is basically the same thing. It's like creating a little lightning torch where you have an electrical arc running through it and you're just pushing air through and it super heats it to about 6,000 degrees and all sorts of nutty stuff happens. But one thing that doesn't happen is combustion. So there's actually not burning, which is really difficult to wrap your head around when you're thinking of something that's 6,000 degrees, the temperature, the surface of the sun, but it's actually not burning. It's just deforming. It's disintegrating basically. Disintegrating. That makes sense. So you get your Dr. Frankenstein lightning ray to hit the trash and disintegrate it and then what happens? It's pretty awesome. So trash, just like any matter, is basically a store. It's an energy store. It's just locked in as potential energy. And when you expose that stuff to really, really high temperatures, it decomposes. Like, just immediately. Trash will decompose over time just given the right circumstances. This immediately decomposes it to not only its molecular level, but its elemental level. So it just turns it into carbon atoms or cadmium atoms or whatever. And it either gasifies if it's an organic material or it turns into what's called slag, which is this molten lava stuff that eventually turns into something like obsidian. If it's inorganic. And that's it. And that gas can be used for all manner of stuff. So, for example, when you let the gas exit the chamber where you put in the garbage and the plasma torch is running and everything's just magically happening, the gas that's escaping, it's really, really hot. So if you let it into a chamber that has a gas turbine in it, it will expand very rapidly and it will spin that turbine with electricity. That's phase one, right? You can also pump that gas a little further. It's still very hot even after it's spun the gas turbine. And you can run it through a pool of water, turn it into steam. And you can use that steam to turn another turbine and generate more electricity. And then the sin gas, this gas that escaped, is now usable for basically like, it's like natural gas. It has about half the energy and the impact of natural gas. But basically the same thing. So you can burn it and then spin yet another turbine and generate even more electricity. And the beauty thing is, is you can use this system to power the plasma torches themselves. It's mind-bogglingly elegant and beautiful. It's one of my favorite things in the world. And its by-product is dragon glass? Yes, yes, basically. Not only dragon glass, you can lock radioactive material into and trap it in like a genie for thousands of years. There's nothing wrong with this technology. It's one of the greatest things we've got on earth right now. And I don't understand why people aren't running around in the streets like just shouting plasma gasification. So you take your garbage, you shoot the lightning ray at it. It turns into molten lava and gas. The molten lava turns into it stores hazardous waste safely. The other gas gives you electricity three ways. And then at the end, is there any other emission coming out? So yeah, you would have to, after you burn the sin gas in the third stage, you would need to capture that stuff. Scrub it of any maybe heavy metals or particulates that are still in there. Any carbon monoxide. Anything that might still be in there that you wouldn't release in the atmosphere. You just scrub it using normal processes that are already in place for fossil fuel powered electricity plants. And then just release it as an inert gas into the atmosphere. So again, there's like nothing wrong with this stuff at all. So is anybody using this? And why aren't more people, as you say, using it? Because it seems like a pretty good way to not only create energy with minimal byproducts, but also get rid of these huge landfills and barges full of garbage. Yeah, that's the beautiful thing about it, right? So there's usually two things that are a challenge to any alternative sources of energy. Usually it's net energy input, which means that a lot of these things where you do get energy from them, you actually have to put in more than you get out, because it's useless at this moment. It seems like plasma gasification has that one licked. The other one is expense. And that's the one that's the big challenge still to plasma gasification. It's a fairly expensive proposition to set up a plasma gasification plant. But its direct competitor is the landfill. And the landfill is, it's become increasingly expensive in recent years itself as the price of land, well, buying land to dig a hole and put garbage in, that's kind of expensive as well. So if a plasma gasification plant sets up shop next to a landfill, they can actually make money on the back end by generating this electricity, because they usually have enough left over to sell to the grid. And then that slag, that molten stuff that comes out of the bottom, it has all sorts of wonderful uses as well from cleaning up oil spill, using it as insulation and houses, using it as a paver stones. So they can make money after they burn the garbage, which means that they can keep their tipping fees the cost you have to pay to drop your garbage off lower than a landfill. So the way I put it is if you own a landfill and someone sets up a plasma gasification plant in your town, you're probably in trouble. Because it also has that environmental impact as well. It's taking garbage energy directly from it rather than just putting it in the ground and walking away and hoping for the best. And then maybe building a subdivision over it that eventually becomes haunted probably. That is how that works. Yeah, definitely. You can burn anything of this, not just trash. You can burn ghosts, I would assume, right? It doesn't matter. There's no ghost energy by putting this process. But that's one of the things. These things are a victim of their own success. There's one in Utsushinai, Japan I believe is where it was that actually shut down because it ran out of feedstock. Which means that they ate up all the garbage in the area and just went offline. And it was a pilot project to be certain, but that is a potential problem in the future with the clients that there won't be enough garbage to take in and gasify. And they'll have to go offline periodically. A few people in the chat room are shouting about the second law of thermodynamics. This doesn't violate that because you have to have trash. It's not a perpetual motion machine because you have to keep feeding it trash. That's exactly right. And again, you're just taking something that has potential energy stored by exposing it to these high temperatures which weakens its molecular bonds which lets that locked energy just go kaboom in the form of heat. So, yeah, I know it doesn't violate any laws. It's actually a great application of it. So there's something like nine locations currently operating this. I saw one of them is a Ford-class aircraft carrier that's testing this for the US Navy. Yeah, that will hopefully be just operating by burning its own waste. And again, it's not burning. It's pyrolysis, but consuming. You can be difficult to talk about this and not refer to it as burning, you know? Yeah, disintegrating, consuming, pyrolysising. Thank you. Yeah, it's tough. Now, one of the things I ran across you guys have a great article at HouseStuffWorks.com which, by the way, written by Jonathan Strickland, a regular on the show. So we'll have that link in the show notes. So, you know, the amount of tons per day is enough for the plant to be able to power itself. So it generates enough energy to keep itself running. And then sell some power back to the grid. Right. So you do need a consistent supply of trash. Would we ever, if this caught on, would we get in a situation where we would not, like opposite of today, we would not have enough things coming into the landfill? Yeah, I mean, I think that it is a potential challenge that these things come into the future. I mean, I think there's a lot of garbage out there that you wouldn't necessarily have to worry about it, but yeah, that's a potential problem in the future. In fact, there's a proposed plant down in Port St. Lucie, Florida. And they estimate that after 18 years they will have used up all of the incoming trash, although there will still be more trash, but at some point they're going to have new landfills. And within 18 years they will have used it all up. And at that point, I don't know what they would do. Well, fortunately, there's a never-ending supply of garbage on the internet. Right, yes. I'm just used that. For sure. I mean, that would probably raise new questions down the road. Like if this is how we were getting a significant part of our energy at some point, maybe materials designers would design materials that were more efficient when they were put through this process and gasified later on. So our garbage would become smarter, I guess, is a potential way around this. I love the idea. Oh, go ahead, Veronica. Oh, no, I was just going to say smart garbage. Yeah, I love the idea of I read one scenario where they put it with an existing power plant so they can take advantage of a lot of the scrubbing and systems for dealing with the inert gas that comes out of it which reduces the cost of building the plant in the first place. But also, to me, that's kind of the stretch goal here is instead of having landfills or instead of having standalone plants built by landfills you attach this kind of plasma converter to an existing power plant of some sort and as trash comes in you pyrolysis it or consume it or whatever and turn it into energy and if you don't have enough trash then you've still got another power plant working and you keep pumping power into the grid. And it's like a supplement to an existing coal fire power plant. So basically you put it through the normal process but as that gas is escaping or being piped out you just put it into the coal fire flue and that, like I said, it's kind of like natural gas the sting gas kind of accelerates the coal fire zone fire and it actually reduces the amount of coal you would have to use. Thanks to, again, garbage which is really the most elegant thing about this. This is something we want to get rid of anyway and this is a way of harvesting like 70 to 80% of the energy that's locked in that stuff that we want to get rid of rather than letting it decompose and go to waste. Literally go to waste. So you can consume anything in this because it's not, again, it's not burning it, it's just disintegrating it. So medical waste, human waste is there anything it can't do? So supposedly there is some kinds of radioactive material that could be very dangerous to do but I believe that you can't typically treat a lot of radioactive waste, not necessarily all. And then that statistic you gave about a thousand tons where you would have enough to power a thousand tons per day of municipal waste is enough to not only power the plant but also sell some back to the grid out of that thousand tons you would get something like 20 tons of stuff that was still very hazardous because there are elements that pose a threat to us like cadmium and mercury and fluorine and stuff like that that would be there in its purest elemental form highly dangerous. So we would still have some waste but that's like 2% of all of this other stuff that we got all this great energy from but for the most part anything you put through will be rendered to its elemental form and if you have a swine flu outbreak or something like that this will render all that stuff inert. Just about any toxic waste it will render it inert and you don't have this dangerous stuff any longer but it seems to be that highly radioactive material is the biggest challenge to it. Everything else just toss it in there see what happens that's crazy we'd have to like decide to recycle things on purpose that we didn't want to be disintegrated exactly well this is fantastic and this is just a sample of the sort of wonderful things you get from the stuff you should know podcast as well as the kind of articles you can find at howstuffworks.com Josh this is fantastic we're gonna get some emails before we go but thank you for explaining that to us. Thank you thank you this is fun you can tell I'm really psyched about this kind of stuff. Yeah I know it's a cool technology and chat rooms full of questions about this I would ask you to direct them to howstuffworks.com because Josh is the guy who's been looking into this but no it's not a perpetual motion machine because you have to keep fueling it with trash and you could put it by a landfill but eventually even with people continuing to bring stuff to the landfill you might run out you might be burning or not burning but consuming trash faster than people can bring it in. Exactly but it could also be a really great bridge fuel to get from fossil fuels to a completely renewable fuel sources as well it could help tremendously yeah alright our pick of the day comes from Tony who says how you doing I know you've received a few picks for Star Wars Minute but let me follow it up with The Goodfellas Minute the concept is the same the panel analyzes The Goodfellas Movie in its entirety title, screens, credits and all minute by minute the gentlemen behind the mics are from iFanboy Josh Flanagan, Connor Kilpatrick and Ron Richards you can check it out at goodfellasminute.com and they've had Star Wars Minute host Alex Robinson and Pete on and this week I'm on it so you might want to check it out despite that Goodfellasminute.com you can catch up pretty quickly there are only I think 20 some minutes in at this point and we're at the good part we're at the scene everybody knows from Goodfellas I was lucky enough to get in on it at that point but it's a really fun project and Ron and Connor and Josh are fantastic as well so go check it out Goodfellasminute.com send your picks to us feedback at DailyTechNewShow.com you can find my picks at DailyTechNewShow.com couple emails before we get out of here first of all Andrew on Twitter pointed out that Microsoft also has a second factor method app the Microsoft Account app for Android lets you accept a verification code instead of type it out it's far from the best app name he says but the screenshot shows how the accepting function works so it's similar to what Yahoo is doing with Yahoo Mail Microsoft has a boring name for a product I'm shocked I know right and then finally Mike fast I hope it doesn't snow on Halloween Chicago at least during the playoffs he says he's an academic researcher and they used photon counting x-ray detectors in their medical image lab he wanted to share a couple of thoughts in the photon counting light sensor that was discussed on last Wednesday's show first photon counting sensors don't get rid of all the noise there's only reducing the noise that comes from the sensor electronics there's still noise from the variability of when photons arrive at the sensor these sensors will only be able to eliminate the electronic noise to get rid of the quantum noise you need to bend the laws of physics which they haven't figured out yet second he says don't expect these sensors to perform well in bright conditions to get a good image the sensor elements need to be read out at a rate greater than the rate at which the photons are coming in and if it can't keep up it'll start to count multiple photons as a single event sensor elements that get a lot of light and sensor elements that got a little light are counted as the same amount of light this reduces contrast in your image for example they appear washed out he says we struggled with this problem at my last job and I would expect it to be even more challenging with visible light imaging that said I think this type of device will be great in low light only applications but it probably won't appear in consumer products like DSLRs or cell phones so thank you for sharing your expertise with us Mike definitely something that even when we were talking about on the show they were saying we'll probably be in academic situations to begin with so we'll include the entire email from Mike in the show notes at dailytechnewshow.com and that's it for the show if you want to follow Josh go check out twitter.com slash josh underscore um underscore clark that's josh um clark and of course follow the stuff you should know podcast twitter.com slash sysk podcast stuff you should know com slash podcast if you want to go subscribe there anything to tell folks about what's coming up josh uh we are talking about actually plasma gasification very soon so this is a bit of a teaser for that um and uh let's see uh I can't remember the other one we always have tons of good stuff like a lot of science stuff a lot of pop culture stuff so if this floated your boat at all or even if it didn't there's probably stuff you should know episode that you would love so go check it out yeah absolutely if you've got more questions shoot them to josh and uh you know they'll probably be addressing them in that upcoming episode on this sort of thing yeah and you can also reach us by email at stuffpodcast.howstuffworks.com if you have something longer than 140 characters as far as questions go Veronica Belmont as always engadget.com slash deer dash Veronica you can follow her on twitter twitter.com slash Veronica what's going on with you? 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let's talk right on all right good luck see cheers bye bye bye what are we going to do for titles well i have some thoughts we've got xiaomi the soundbar of course mr plasma one crash is another man's power which i really like um come on down to google fool's crazy enterprise was crazy eddie outside of new york i don't know if he actually was or if we just all knew about it because of saturday night live okay because i was like that is such a new york joke i was like who lived in new york um all right so we have bad stk no biscuit um ban assault drone ban assault drones oh boy maybe not let's not get political daily tech trash show i like my my particular submission this show is trashy nice very nice i wrote all the things i think i wrote trash talking about stuff you should know you can burn ghosts um i do like dragging glass that was a good call on the dragon glass i was trying to think of the most extreme way to describe this that was perfect there's also uh that plasma though that plasma though that plasma though um and the future is trash i kind of like that wheels i can't decide guys smart garbage smart bitch smart bitch i liked beatmaster's plasma so hot right now yeah that is good i laughed at that at the time i saw that pop up i didn't see that one good job beatmaster i like that one i like a world in which in the future people are actually someone's calling me i think it's the uh the vet one sec i like a world where people are actually fighting to pay you the most for your trash right we didn't even get into that side of things that's amazing and just like all of a sudden my trash is more valuable than your trash and like it's just great can you imagine if your trash collection bill was issued by you like you got your trash collection payment every month um and then i was thinking like what would be the movie application it was like people accidentally falling into the plasmificator stuck in dragon glass it's awful well you missed my erudite point which was i forget that it was oh trash scarcity the idea of being paid for your trash but then i went one step further to the hollywood movie version of it i'm making so much money off my trash these days yeah it gives me hope that we can solve this problem if you think about trash being gone i think i'm about to write a movie in the post show if you think about who currently is most manipulating the trash crime syndicates it's often the mafia that has trash services under their wing i think plasmification would have some uses for the illegal mafia like i don't know what you mean there's no such thing as a mafia you're right that's a reference to good fellas well you you would know one man's trash is another man's power that's what i'm going with i'm going to start a reddit thread with my plasmification movie and see what happens plasmification movie by the end of today the hoarders are going to be laughing all the way to the bank they are actually they won't because they still won't want to get rid of their stuff that's true you're sitting on a gold mine grandpa yeah problem solved this solves every problem so many problems solved we start having shortages on plastics and stuff because we've still run out of oil and everyone burned all their trash from power well if we could break everything back down into base elements that they can reconstitute like kind of like the replicators from Star Trek oh yeah if you could start to sift the elements out and then recombine them that's the next step i've always wondered why they don't just replicate a person too complex there's one i don't remember which episode i'm not quite that geeky about it but there is an episode where they discuss that in relation to the transporters particularly yeah you have to it has to be talked about gotta talk about what would happen if you tried to replicate a human being they've done it though they did it with commander raker no they took an actual human being's pattern and split it in two roger is different they didn't create it from nothing the patterns kept in a pattern buffer it's a lot easier to say i can create a pattern from nothing than to do it yeah wow you win your legs tbz gun is worried about the plasmification and its effects on our neighbors darn hipsters that was one thing i wanted to get into and i forgot was like so we can't do this in our house right could they make like little tiny plasmification yeah that'd be kind of cool just a miniature plasma torch underneath your sink it'd be really hot like anywhere near where it's really and of course you'd have to protect it from the kids it's not you matty it's your kids something's gotta be done about your kids i still find it's so weird where you find them in other movies it's like wait a minute i just watched star trek 3 last night yeah he doesn't come off as he just comes off as dog brown in the center of a dead we've got to go back to the future and stop the federation let's slip the dogs of war that's Henry oh yeah that's six okay nevermind sorry i was supposed to have sadic originally as the traitor oh but they were like no oh you can't take a well established character make him a villain go get that unknown actress kim cattrall and shave off most of her hair that would be good yeah kim well kim cattrall is like she has like a vulcan like hardcore bob and then her side where ladies hair would gently come down it's all shaved so it looks like she's wearing a wig and talking about sabo that's where i always think of that sabo tours sabotage sabantha yeah okay so now netflix it plans to offer i was out so i'm reading all the old news oh okay don't tell me netflix another thing they're negotiating for star wars and want to offer news they want to yeah the news thing was them saying very poorly using the word news because they just mean docs i think like more current docs than the ones that they've had in the past more vise like stuff i think vise and vise is like everybody just keeps imitating us i'm gonna hit the road jack okay fine have a good day you too guys i'll see you later catch you on the flip side adios bye so many times one man's trash is another man's power another man's empire yeah i gotta go write up notes about all the freaking netflix things they said last week too many too many that thing about credit card i still think is silly i still think that's i've had a few people try to explain why it might be true and they're definitely valid and fair attempts but i remain unconvinced i think what they did was very clever they said in part our drop in subscriptions is related to the chip and pin thing and i'm sure in part it is but that can't possibly account for the majority of it most people when you got a new chip and pin card got had the same number yeah mine was the same number yeah that sounds like a bunch of hooey actually yeah i think they may have had some involuntary churn in other words people just you know their card number changed or their expiration date went out and then they didn't bother bother to re up and it would probably caught them by surprise how many people that happened to maybe but i don't think it has to do with chips well i mean it didn't happen to us because mostly what it means is people weren't using the service and when their credit card stopped being valid they didn't notice right hmm interesting you know though those chip and pin cards i don't think we've seen the full wave of chip and pin card problem because most of the most of the places where my chip card goes still don't have their things set up and activated oh yeah that's a that's yes the coming way that's a whole different thing yeah but totally true and like people like retail is still surprised half the time when they see it because the deadline was just that the chip cards have to be issued and that anybody who doesn't take them is now taking the liability on themselves right but you're right like tons of places are just like well i guess we'll take the liability on ourselves all right so over under unseeing Luke in this trailer no we're not right yeah he's not in the poster yep he's not in any of the trailers and i don't think that'll change today although it could be wrong i think this is setting us up for a big revelation about luke that they don't that they can't show him like there's that leaked picture of him dressed up like obi-wan right that got out i think that's not representative of who he is in the in the movie so like maybe he turned dark there's some crazy theory out there that he's kylo ren and that that's why um driver is being so circumspect about answering questions um and that driver actually isn't i don't know i don't know but there's something going on with luke that we do not expect yep oh man can be one of those water cooler movies i think people will be talking about it yes please i've gone into full producer mode for just the tickets like i've not produced this much but at least intensely in one day since like 2006 unless you kept the buzz out about reunion which i think you should well even that wasn't as intense as the star wars ticket situation i'm just waiting until the canadian elections are over hmm what is the deal with the canadian elections oh no it's today but like why is that important to your life yeah no answer i'm just curious to see who wins and they'll determine whether or not i watch the movie right away or not which movie the canadian election movie no star wars what wait the canadian election decides whether you watch star wars it right away or not yes why no reason you need to get out the house walk around take the baby for a walk yeah she doesn't like to leash as much as your dogs alright fair enough well that's it for us bye everybody i'll see you on cord killers later today and on DTNS tomorrow