 Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our weekly mentoring hour. Let's begin this time with a word of prayer. Before we could start, I would like to read a scripture portion from Psalm 68 verse 35. O God, you are more awesome than your holy place. The God of Israel is he who gives strength and power to his people. Blessed be God. Amen. Let's pray. Father, we thank you. We thank you for this time. We surrender ourselves and this time in your heart. We pray that, Lord, you will give us the insights from your word, from the experience of each one of us. Lord, we pray that even during this time, Lord, you will teach us, you will lead us and you will guide us. Thank you, Father, for the insights, for the instruction that you give us day after day. Thank you for who you are in our life and we submit ourselves this time in your hands. In Jesus' name we pray. Amen. Amen. So thank you so much for joining in and we leave this time open. So please feel free to post your questions on the chat or you can also unmute and ask. So request each one of us to please go ahead and ask any questions pertaining from your studies or from the ministry area. We keep this time open. It's nice to see. So, yeah, in the meanwhile, as we prepare our questions in the meanwhile, you know, last week we shared about some of some of us shared about the ministry experience in the area where they are. So would can I request Kiran, if you would like to share about the ministry area, how you serve in your place or even we have Elisha. Elisha, would you like to share your ministry experience? Thank you for the opportunity. Good morning. Good morning. My ministry is basically with my denominations, the Church of Tentacles, we have voluntary offices. So I am your eldest, I am an elder of the Church. I serve in the youth ministry and I am currently the area and the youth secretary. Our communities are basically the young people between ages 13 to 35. Those are the categories that in my denominations we consider as young people. We organize prayer meetings, count, professional and career guidance. We also offer counseling and a whole lot. We organize with a search request. We do the postings with them. So basically, we do visits, home visits. We visit them in the schools. We also have schools outreach ministry where we reach out to secondary schools and then they share with institutions within our area and share the gospel with them and encourage them and pray with them. Basically, this is my ministry area in Nala. Thank you very much. Thank you, Laisha. That's wonderful to hear that the way you share among the youth and among the students. Thank you so much for sharing. Is there anyone who would like to take this time and share your ministry experience or you have any questions, please feel free to unmute and ask. Herbert, would you like to share your ministry experience? Thank you so much. My ministry experience, we normally have some fellowships every Wednesdays and within that we do fasting and we do preaching. Sometimes we do outreach, we go to some families and we preach all some disadvantaged families. We share with them some items like that. Then, of course, Sundays, we pray for worship together in worship, just general Sunday service as usual. Thank you so much, Pastor Dan. That's wonderful. Thank you, Herbert, for sharing. It's nice to know that we each one step out from the comfort zone and take an effort to share the good news with the people and to minister be available for the young and the old there. That's nice. Can we get here from Milagros? Would you like to share or Abraham? Yeah, hello, Pastor, I'm here. Hi Abraham, would you like to share about your ministry experience at your place? Yes, by God's grace, we've been able to start our Sunday evening meetings and by God's grace, we have a few people in attendance and we've been sharing the word of God, we've been praying and asking God to transform them so that at least we can all stand together and preach the gospel here in Vietnam. And my question that I wanted to ask today has to do with my personal experiences, which is sometimes when I'm praying alone, sometimes I feel something like they are pouring oil on my head and sometimes even when I'm meditating, it still comes on my head, I see. It can be there for like five minutes and then you go, then you come again. So I'm still trying to decode whether it is the healing and I don't know how to or what to do when those things come. Is this something that is just normal or should we ask to pay there something I'm supposed to do? So this has been my embedded for some time now. So I would like to ask that one in addition to what I just said concerning my ministry. Thank you so much now. Thank you. Thank you, Abraham, for the question. Can I request any of our faculty would like to bring a clarity to Abraham? Yeah. Abraham, so the presence of God, we experience it in many different ways. And one of the ways is like you're saying how you feel something like oil coming on you. So it's God's presence being released at that moment when you are in meditation, when you are waiting on the Lord, you're able to recognize. We use the word sense, but that's not necessarily sense in the natural, but sense in the spiritual. So you're able to recognize God's presence and that awareness comes in so many different ways. God's presence is made known to us again in many different ways. And so in the case that you mentioned, you feel like oil coming on you. So there is the recognition of God's presence. At the same time, we need to recognize why God has come, why that presence is being manifested or made available to us. God always comes with a purpose. So that's where we need to listen and be responsive. So you recognize and then you need to respond to the presence. Sometimes, and especially when you're meditating, God is coming to do a work in us. So his presence is made known to us because he wants to come to do a work in us. Maybe he's revealing something. Maybe he is bringing about a certain change in our hearts. Maybe he's come to speak certain direction into our lives. So the reason for his visit can be manifold. It's our responsibility to recognize and to respond correctly. Now, usually if it's in your personal time, then God comes to do a personal work. When you're in a ministry setting, then it's for a ministry work. So that's one demarcation or one clear understanding we can have. So if I'm in my time of quiet time and I'm meditating, the presence of God is there. Then it's usually for a person, but God is coming to do something in me. And so I need to respond to that. But if you're in a ministry setting, maybe you're with a group of people or you're on the stage about to minister, and then you have the anointing come, the presence of God come, then of course it's for a ministry work. And then you begin to flow in that direction. Maybe it's to teach, maybe it's to prophesy, maybe it's to release gifts. Maybe at that time, maybe there's a flow of the healing, anointing, so on. But in your personal time, it's usually God is coming to do something very personal. I'll just quickly close with a simple example. Suppose somebody comes and knocks on our home. Can somebody post the link in the chat to our book, The Presence of God? I was trying to go there while talking, but it's a little distracting. So I'm just going back to the example. So somebody comes and presses the doorbell to your house. And you say, oh, you know, John has come. Okay, wonderful. John has come. So you've recognized John's presence. So John has come. He's pressed the bell. Oh, John has come. You're excited. Wow, John has come. And then you feel excited. But if you don't open the door and welcome him in, then the purpose of that visit is lost because John is outside the door. Now, even if you open the door and welcome John in to your living room, oh, John has come. He's come, John, please be seated. And then you go away and you're busy doing something else in the house. Again, the purpose of his visit is wasted. We have recognized his presence. We have even welcomed him in to the house. But we've got distracted and we are doing other things. The purpose, why he came, we don't know. And maybe he came to bless us. Maybe he came to share some good news. Maybe he came just to give us, you know, just to fellowship. Maybe he came just, maybe he came to, you know, help us, whatever. But because we have got distracted, we have not benefited from his visits. So that's just an example where when God visits us, basically when you recognize the presence of God, it's so important that we welcome. So God, I can feel your presence, God. Thank you so much. Oh, God, I just welcome your presence, God. And Lord, what are you coming to do? And then at that moment you recognize and say, God, I thank you so much. I'm receiving this understanding. I thank you so much. I'm receiving this revelation and seeing something I've not seen before God. Maybe, you know, it's from the word. And then what you do, you just focus on it. Don't let anything distract you because if we get distracted, we could miss the purpose of his visit. Right. So God, I thank you so much. Maybe you take your notebook and you start writing something down because you don't miss out the revelation, you know, or sometimes he's just changing your heart. You know, he's, oh God, I thank you for changing my heart, God. I thank you. I was not willing to do it, but now God, I see a sense of willingness coming into my heart. Thank you, God. So he's moving us from a place of unwillingness to a willingness. But what we're doing is we are responding to his presence. Then we're able to receive what he came to give us. Okay, three keywords. Recognize, respond, receive. Okay. In a nutshell, hope that helps. And you can go to our book on the presence of God. We learned a lot more. Okay, Pastor, thank you so much. That was helpful. Thank you, Pastor, for that wonderful illustration and in-depth explanation. And thank you, Abraham, for that question. We also have another question from Zalitoli. Like starting Feb, I will be helping in youth ministry. And it will be my first time involved in youth ministry. So want to ask what are some of the effective tools to reach out to the youth? Reach out to the youth. Yes. Can I request one of our faculty to take up this question? Can I request Paul, would you like to take up? Yeah, sure. Thank you so much for that question, Zalitoli. And praise God for the opportunity that God has given you to start this, to be helping out in the youth ministry. I'll just be saying very small answer. But firstly, different places have different essence of youth. So one of the things that we can do is try to find out what are the youth more into in your location, your area. And some of the things that has helped us personally in Mangalore is some things that I can share, few points. One is if getting access into schools and colleges will be a wonderful opportunity for you to bring out the gospel especially now during these times we see that a lot of youth are going through depression, suicidal tendencies and at a very young age as well. So many have lost their parents. And so at a young age, youth are being affected. So one of the things that you can probably pray and ask God to open doors for you is through schools and colleges where as a team you can go out and reach out to these students through life skills sessions which will be able to help them. And other youth related ministry could be maybe once in a month doing a youth concert is something that you can think about doing where you plan a date, you plan the location and then you can reach out to youth around your city, around your locality and invite them for the youth concert. And basically we have some worship songs and then share a simple message give an altar call that is one thing that can be done. And one of the very important things that helped us personally in APC Mangalore was we tried to bring in the word to the students. The word was something that sometimes as youth they don't really spend time in the word or spend time praying because they've got other commitments, college and work etc. But one of the things that we'd like to do is to continually impart the word of God into them. And we know that the word of God is what really touches their lives. So these are just a few points that I would like to share. I'll leave it open to the other faculty as well. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Can I request Pastor Nancy you would like to add on to it? Yes. Thank you. Thank you. So Dinah, thank you Paul for sharing as well. Yeah, so just in addition to what Pastor Paul has shared, we have some resources on our website. And I think this would also help you Zalitoli, I'm just sharing the link here. So yeah, there are certain topics that pertaining to young people and some of these topics have been included in the resources that I shared. Things like self-esteem, which is a key subject for young people. Think about standards and making the right choices, having the right focus, developing the right habits as they move into adulthood. So those are all subjects that are included in the resources. Also when it comes to their spiritual walk, we do understand that it's generally when people are younger, that is their children and in their youth that they give their lives to Christ. So it's a very crucial phase of people's lives. So this is a good time to lay the spiritual foundation, to help them encounter God, to present salvation, invite them to walk with the Lord, be saved and then open them up to the things of the kingdom of God. So at this age when they become passionate, they learn to pray, they learn to worship. All of those things would really stay with them and help them in their journey. And I just also want to add over here, as I told you that at APC, we have had this ministry among the colleges, the campuses, college campuses, it used to be called Campus Elevate. And through this ministry, what we were able to do is to go into colleges and the subjects that I just shared in a nutshell with you. We were able to speak on these subjects in the colleges. We generally would get permission from the teachers. So it was a very formal and official thing and they'll give us an hour and our team would go there. We would lead worship and then also share on one of these topics. And towards the end, have a time of prayer and young people would respond. And one of the most beautiful things is that in some of the colleges, we also had the opportunity to connect one-on-one with the students and personally encourage them. And I still today, in fact, one of the colleges where we used to minister, it's a nursing college attached to a hospital. So whenever I go to the hospital, there are so many of those students still there. They come and say hello and we learn so much during those sessions and we still pray, things like that. So it really stays with the students. So we just need to find ways of reaching out to them and the campus ministry is one of the effective ways that we found here in Bangalore. And I'll leave this open to any of our other faculty to please add. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor Nancy for giving us in detail and different options how we can minister and share with the youth. Yes, Pastor Jean, you would like to add on? Yeah, I just wanted to add a couple of points. So Zalatoli, just adding on to what Pastor Nancy and Pastor Paul had spoken of, we've also have as part of APC a ministry for teens. So these are within the teen teenage kids of APC. So we connect with them on a regular basis, like on a one month of basis. Right now it is online. But something that I think becomes a very helpful tool is building, like Pastor Nancy said, a one-on-one connection. Because in a group, when you're having a conversation or when you're actually dealing with some content that may be useful for them, having smaller groups really helps in this one-on-one connection where they do come in and share and are being ministered on a personal level with whatever their struggles are. So because the youth ministry has a lot about understanding where they are at what kind of a place or what kind of a situation they may be at, just building that connect and also knowing what could be their significant struggles at the time at the age group that they are in. So for example, among the teens, we've commonly seen issues with regard to peer pressure, with regard to self-esteem, relationship issues with family members. And this becomes, you know, what we actually focus on becomes like a medium for them to connect back to either life group leader or to the facilitator or to the pastor. And there in there in itself, you know, you're opening up a place of mentorship again. And so I'd say even smaller groups also is something that we can focus on to have individuals who are of the same age or like-minded kids or youth coming together to be able to just share with one another, learn from the word of God and also be enriched through the experience of learning. Thank you. Thank you Diana. Thank you. Thank you, Jean, for adding. And I hope, Zalitholi, that was helpful to you. Yes, pastors. That was very helpful. Yeah. Thank you so much. Can I just add? Zalitholi just shared a research report. There's a link there from onehope.net. I'd encourage you to go and study that report. It kind of gives us a global view of what's happening among the teenagers and the young people globally. You know, and it's really good to understand what's happening, how technology, how media is impacting teenagers and youth of a young, you know, in the early 20s. And therefore, with that understanding, you can then design your, you know, your outreach and so on. And so that's a very good, you know, research report. That link is there in the chat. Study that. You know, you get a lot of understanding of, you know, what's happening. Okay. Diana's lost the connection. Okay, Diana's back. Okay. Go ahead, Diana. Thank you. Thank you, pastor. Sorry. I lost my connection and I came back and I'm unable to see the questions. Okay. I'll just read out the ones before. There's a question from Elisha. His question is, does a believer still need to brain break generational and family curses, even after faith in Christ? That's one question. And then, so I will post that here, Diana, so you can take it. And then there's one more question also from Elisha. So there are basically two questions. Both are from Elisha, so you can take these please. Yeah. Sure. Thank you. Thank you, pastor. Okay. So would any of the faculty would like to answer the question for Elisha regarding bring over the generational curses? Yeah, I'll just try answering that. So the question is, does a believer still need to pray and break generational family curses, even after faith in Christ? So now we know that, you know, 1 Peter 1, I think, 18, 19, 1 Peter 1, 18 says, knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things like civil or gold from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ as of lamb without blemish and without spot. Of course, it's talking about the Jewish traditions and everything. And we have been set free from that by the blood of Jesus, and we've been redeemed. So that is a powerful truth that at the cross, by the shared blood of Christ, we've been redeemed. And specifically, I think in Colossians, I just put the verse, just one second. Colossians 1, 13, 14, he has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of his love in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins. So the blood of Jesus has broken every hold of the enemy, and the Lord Jesus by his redeeming work has conveyed us, translated us, moved us into the kingdom of the Lord Jesus, the kingdom of the Son of his love, and delivered us from the power of darkness. So that's the present reality for every believer because of what happened on the cross. Now, we know that it's a spiritual reality, but whereas in the soulish realm, we could still have strongholds, that's one, or we could be struggling with something that has been passed on from generation to generation. Now, this whole thing of passing on from a generation like we see in, I think it's in, just give me a minute, I'm sorry. Exodus 20, I think, yeah, Exodus 20 is where we see that, right, Exodus 20. Let me just read that verse, just a minute, Exodus 20. So the Lord says, Exodus 20, I think three, four, five, three to six, probably, you shall have no other God before me, you shall not make for yourself a carved image, any likeness that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them, nor serve them, for I the Lord your God and a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love me and keep my command. And so I think we hear about the generational passing on of iniquity here, right, so we hear this, but then we know that at the cross that we have been redeemed. So Elisha's question is, you know, I know I believe, so is it, is there a possibility that I could still be struggling with the effects of the generational, you know, generational bondage. In fact, we have a pastor's written a book on generational bondage and breaking generational bondage. And I'll just put the link here. So you could go through that. It gives a very detailed explanation of why and how and so on. But the thing is that, yes, a believer could be struggling in the soulish realm, like in the realm of our minds, imagination, there could be some effects of that, or it could be in our body, you know, some kind of a weakness, some kind of a limitation. But we can enforce the spiritual reality of what happened on the cross by taking authority, by, by pronouncing, you know, our allegiance to the Lord, and we can break it, we can enforce it, and we need to do that consciously. Yeah. Pastor, if you would like to add something, yeah. Sorry, can I go ahead. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor. Yes. Pastor, you would like to add on to it? Yeah. Just to summarize what Pastor Jigma was saying, you know, so the answer is, you know, Christ has redeemed us so our redemption is true, genuine and complete. But Satan is a trespasser. So just like any other thing, he trespasses, that means he is a, he violates, he does things he's not supposed to do. So our redemption is secure. But he trespasses that. So, and so he, even though, you know, the sin of our forefathers should not affect us, he trespasses that. And so he, you know, tries to use that to, you know, to cause certain sinful behavior patterns, other weaknesses, things like to try to come and attach itself to our lives. But it's a violation, really, because our redemption is secure. So that's where we stand for and we enforce the power of the redeeming power of the blood of Jesus. We enforce with the word of God. And we say, no, none of these things are going to have any effect on my life. So that part is what we do. It's what Pastor Jigma was sharing. Is that okay, Elisha? Thank you, Pastor. Elisha, did that answer your question? Yes, Pastor. Thank you. There's another follow up question from Elisha. How do you effectively carry out ministry to person with physical disabilities? Okay, what, Pastor Selena, would you like to take up this question? Yeah, sure. Thank you, Diana. Sorry, I don't know why my video is, okay, it's come on. Thank you. Yeah, thank you, Elisha, for the question. I'd like to just read that question again. How do you effectively carry out ministry to persons with physical disabilities? Basically, I think it would be ministering to them one on one, unless you're going to a center or a place where you have people, you know, more than one person there with the physical disability. Basically, just, you know, get them motivated in life, you know, instill hope, encouragement. So you could do various series that would basically, you know, build hope, bring about hope, build encouragement, give them, you know, also run them to a series where, you know, they know their identity in Christ, who they really are in Christ. That even in, with their difficulties, their challenges, you know, God still has a purpose for them. So you could do a couple of series on, you know, fulfilling God's purpose for their life, knowing that God has a plan and a purpose for them, and also do a couple of activities, you know, depending on, you know, whether they can move their hands or legs, but basically, you can do some activities with them, get them into also, you know, a good worship time where they're experiencing the presence of God, get other people with physical disabilities just to minister to them, so they are also, you know, motivated, or you can just play videos of people, you know, who have physical disabilities and who have overcome that or, you know, overlooked their challenges, the disabilities, and yet they have accomplished something in life. So basically do things that would motivate them, build encouragement, and get them to move on to, you know, seeing what God's purpose and plan for their life is and fulfilling it. Yeah. And over to Diana. I think Diana's lost her internet connection again. Yes. Okay. Sorry. Go ahead, Pastor Nancy. Thank you, Pastor Sivina. I just felt like I'll add some more to it. This is more that you covered the physical disabilities part, but I was reminded of, you know, people who are, we don't believe in healing. We know that our God is a healer. He has a covenant of healing with us. And, you know, that's what we preach. That's what we pray for and minister to people in the process. Sometimes, you know, we do come across people who are sick and, you know, they need to be taken care of. So, you know, people like that, I was reminded that also, apart from sharing about, sharing the truth of God's word with them and, you know, journeying along with them when it comes to ministering to them. It's also very, very important to display the love of God because we see in Romans 5 it says, you know, God showed his love. And, you know, God displayed his love and that was through what he did on the cross. And in the same way, personally, you know, I am challenged to display that love because even in the person of Christ in his ministry, you see that compassion. So, while someone is ill, yes, we speak out truth over them, but also minister that love, compassion and care. One passage from Matthew 25 is something that comes to my mind. Matthew 25 was 35, 36, and I posted for us here on the chat. It says, for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink. I was a stranger and you took me in. I was naked and you clothed me. I was sick and you visited me. I was in prison and you came to me. So, it's also about, you know, practical demonstration of the love of God to the extent that we can. And that also is, you know, ministry and that also is, you know, displaying God's love. So, just wanted to add that. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor Nancy. Yes, I see Charles raised and you would like to add on to this. Please go ahead, Charles. Can you hear me? Yes, Charles. All right. Thank you so much, Pastor. In addition to what Pastor Serena and the Pastor Nancy answered also ministering to people with disabilities, sometimes you might specialize also in a type of disability, maybe those that are physically, either for the ear or for the eyes or what, or those that are lame. So, you might find people that can also do that area, those that have studied braille, those that do no sign language or that. So, you could also involve other people that have taken special time in doing that and you can go with them and then they can be able to be of help to you so that you can also minister to these people, especially those that are having issues with sensory disability. Thank you so much. Thank you, Charles. Thank you, Pastor Serena, Pastor Nancy and Charles for adding on to this question. Elisha, did that answer your question? Dana, just a couple of thoughts. Yes. Thank you very much. Thank you, Charles. Yeah. Sorry, Dana. Yeah, sorry, Elisha. I just had a thought, you know, like some of us, I think personally myself also, you know, we sometimes have questions on, you know, how to relate to people with disabilities, right? So sometimes we have this fear, okay, I don't want to say the wrong thing. And sometimes we go to the extreme of maybe pitting them. And sometimes we go to the extent of kind of overreaching and being, you know, I don't know, maybe even talking louder or, you know, different kind of disabilities, right? You know, maybe you see someone in a wheelchair and then we try to be over-compassionate or something. But I think the challenge is, and the learning, I think, for us is to relate to them as people. Apparently some, you know, research was done. And then they, you know, it's not like more, it's not like all of them are really pitting themselves. You know, they are people and they are, you know, going about doing their stuff. And so I think something that we can do is learn how to relate to them and not to pity them, not to look down on them or not to be over-compassionate. Just treat them like people with respect. But also if we can learn, like I am really not an expert at this, but, you know, how to refer to that condition, you know, in a manner that doesn't insult them or, you know, I'm sure, you know, experts can say, okay, this is how you, you know, you talk about their condition without really putting them down, without looking down. I think that would really help us to relate to people with disabilities, especially if the Lord has called us to minister to such people. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor. Thank you for adding to it. It is important. Yes. Thank you. Your input is very, very much acknowledged. It's very true. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Alesha, for the question. And yes, due to poor connection, I lost. I lost the trail. So if there's any question that you have posted, can I request you to please repost the question? We have about five more minutes. Yeah, I also see a comment from Charles saying that you're an agenda. They say disability is not an inability. The truth. Thank you so much, Charles, for sharing. Yeah, we have five more minutes. Is there anyone who have a question? Please feel free to unmute and ask or you can post it on the chat. Or is there anyone who would like to share? Yes. Please go ahead, Paul. I see your hand being raised. Okay. We have two hands raised. Yes. We'll go with Paul. Yes. Good morning. Good morning. Yes, my name. There has been controversy over the vaccine, COVID-19 vaccine. It is some people saying it is demonic. So what is the view of the church as the church tried to seek the voice of God over it so that we informed our believers the right thing. I think it is important for us to seek the voice of God. What do we have to say about that? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Paul, for that question. Can I request anyone of our faculty to please take up this question? Pastor, would you like to answer? Yeah. Thank you, Pastor. Yeah, Paul. Yeah, Paul. Thank you for the question. Yeah. So from the very beginning, that's I guess to the end of 2019, early 2020. From the time the pandemic started, obviously, the response from the health community, the medical professional was to find a vaccine and eventually that came out. Now, for us as believers, how do we make a decision? You know, is vaccine a right thing or not? Is God for it or is God against it? You know, is it okay or is it demonic? So I think one is, of course, we go to the scriptures, what do we find in the scriptures, right? And we can look at the scripture, the written Word of God is our foundation to start with. And then, of course, we also listen to the direction of the Holy Spirit. Look at the written Word of God and look at the Old Testament. Look at the New Testament. I'm just going to be very concise, very quick here in a few minutes. In the Old Testament, the Lord God, that was Old Testament times, he gave them community laws, how to live, what to do, what not to do. That means he was telling them, okay, as a community, here's how you live. Now, he gave his covenant, I am the Lord your healer, he gave his name, Jehovah Rafa. But in addition to giving a healing covenant to his people, he also told them how to live healthy. So we can read about this in the book of Leviticus Numbers, Exodus, Leviticus Numbers. And he told them, as a community, you eat this kind of food, don't eat this. You live like this, don't do this in a community. So it was not just a covenant of healing. There were dietary and community instructions on dietary and community living so that they could live healthy. So we see that in the Old Testament very clearly, and then other examples in the Old Testament. You come into the New Testament, we believe in the anointing of God to heal. But we also know that God has given us of a mind to use, the renewed mind. And we could look at several scriptures, Romans 12, renewed mind, Ephesians 5, 17, Paul says, understand what the will of the Lord is. That means we use our understanding in getting to know the will of God. And so, you know, God wants us to use our understanding. And God wants us to use the resources he has made available to us to take care of our lives. So he's not against that, right? So whatever he's put in nature, whatever he's made in the knowledge, the understanding, the resources he's made available to us, we use it to our advantage, right? So that's how we look at medicine. Medicine is not against God, but it's a resource that's available that we can use to our advantage, which aids in, helps us in moving towards what God wants for us, which is to live good, healthy lives here on earth. So looking at it from a biblical perspective, just put it in a nutshell, it's perfectly fine for us to use medical resources to help take care of our health, right? Whether it's preventive measures or just, you know, remedial measures, it's perfectly fine. And it's not contrary to the heart of God, it's not contrary to the mind of God. Unfortunately, there's been so much of misinformation, wrong information about vaccines, about all these things that has caused a lot of confusion. And so that's where I think a big challenge is to distinguish between simple, genuine medical information versus all the wrong information, the confusions that are being caused and sometimes this confusion being caused by Christians themselves. And to leave that aside and just understand the heart and mind of God that he wants us to use the resources that is made available to us for our good. So I close with that. Our response has been from, from beginning, we've encouraged people in our congregation around here to get all their vaccine doses to take safety measures so that people can all be in good health. It's part of, you know, as a community, we are caring for ourselves and for each other, similar to what God told us people in the Old Testament to do, you know, as a community, you take care of each other, you know, but He gave the covenant of healing, but what was in the context of, you know, also doing other things. I'll stop for that. Hope that helps, Paul. You can think about these things. Thank you, Pastor. That was a good question, Paul. I hope that answered your question. Okay. We have Charles. Charles, you have raised your hand. Anna, we need to close because we are 15. Yes, yes. Charles, we can pick your question next week. Okay, as we are out of time. Before we could end the session, can I request one of us to please close in prayer? Can I request a sturopa if you would like to close in prayer? Okay. Can I request Zelle, if you can, if I'm audible. Zelle, can you close in prayer? Yes, sure, Pastor. Yes, thank you. For the God, I want to thank you so much for this wonderful session. I want to thank you for our pastors. Thank you for their life. Thank you for all the influence that they have shared to us and whatever we have learned help us to remember and also that we will grow spiritually in every aspects of our life. Thank you for your blessings for your kingdom, Lord. And as we close the session, Lord, your Holy Spirit continue to guide us, lead us, Lord, pray for the Lord. We thank you, we bless the Lord in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Amen. Amen. Thank you, everyone, for coming in. This was a fascinating time of discussion. Thank you so much. See you all tomorrow at the supernatural hour. Have a great day. Good bless. Thank you. Thank you, pastors. Thank you, each one. Thank you, Zelle, for your word of prayer. Thank you. Thank you. Good bless.