 Like that I have watched iron fist because I know the basics of his his story I don't like having watched it Like having having The knowledge that I extracted from watching it. I did not I do not have fond remembrances of watching it I Was our last last thing of the night viewing for a long time and I I would often fall asleep. Yeah, oh well Can't all the winners sleep aid is what I used to call it No, and and the thing that defenders proved to me is that the actor who plays iron fist is not at fault because he's great defenders Oh, really? Yeah He was good as Laura's Tyrell in Game of Thrones. He was good. He was good. I Felt bad for him that he got stuck with a shitty show. Oh, sorry pardon French. Oops. I know Veronica speaks French Today I learned TIL It is on Shantae show is what she just said an enchanted show Anchanted I'm trying to learn some French. Oh, yeah, this could do a swap Do I want an egg? No, are you thirsty? Do you have thirst? Is it true that you have thirst? Is it that you have the thirst When you actually do the literal translations of French, it's hilariously courtly Je m'appelle Oh Your name is eggs. I Like the Sivu play is if it is pleasing to you instead of just please I like that. I like that. I'm gonna start speaking literal English translations of French There you go. Let's just say it's just for practice Anything Kane says yes Patrick is going to kill you tomorrow if he listens to this. I Like that Come at me, come at me, bro. You're just a meme generator. I like that Are you suave? escape to a suave I Keep saying K is that a cut to because I because of the Spanish Okay, shall we do this show then? Probably give Roger control you shouldn't stop looking at Pinterest. I mean you can tell me to Stop looking at Pinterest stop having thirst. Oh Wait, I need to write myself Hurry up Roger No, you won't read it. It's fine. No, I'll remember now All right, here we go three two Daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside Organizations to find out how you can help power the show visit daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Monday, August 21st 2017. I'm Tom Marra joining me Veronica Belmont is in the house Not your house. Yeah, you're not my house. You're not in the house You're in a building that's I'm indoors. You're just you have found shelter from the eclipse The horrible disappearance the inexplicable disappearance of the day star across much of the United States. Yes It did come back. It did come back. Oh, oh boy Roger Chang our producer alongside as well. Roger. Did you see the eclipse? I saw it through a cereal box I converted into a Very nice. Well, we have all survived. So let's start with a few tech things you should know Newtonomy CEO said Friday. He hopes to launch a paid Commercial autonomous car service in Singapore by mid 2018 though. He said it could be later in the year But definitely coming next year. They've been testing this thing in Singapore. They're gonna start testing in Boston This is another step on the road to reality. It's happening Recodes as its sources told it this weekend that former GE chairman Jeff Immelt is the front-runner to be named CEO of Uber two other men are still being being considered a vote is expected on a new CEO within the next two weeks Is it wrong that my my initial reaction was my condolences to Jeff It's gonna be a tough one HTC dropped the price of the Vive VR headset by 200 bucks. It's now $599 that's still more expensive than the Oculus Rift Rift selling for $3.99. Although that's a summer discount It'll go up to $4.99 once the summer sale is over. That's still cheaper than the $5.99 Do you have any of these you don't have any of these do you? No, I have a um Gear VR No, I do have a vibe. Oh, yeah, the vibe. Oh, okay. Yeah, I do have a vibe here. Yeah, never mind All right, here are some more top stories Google Announced in what is probably the silliest live stream announcement I may have yet seen in technology news that Android 8.0 Previously referred to as Android. Oh is officially no surprise called Android Oreo Do they have to like do a deal with that? Yeah, I think so they did it with Kit Kat where it wasn't a paid deal And they haven't I have not seen Google clarify whether this is any different with Kit Kat They just got them to agree to say hey all this free publicity Will you let us use the name without suing us and I'm guessing that's what they did with Oreo too because they had the big Oreo Cookie dressed up as an Android guy like come out of a rocket ship In New York at the time of the eclipse. Oh, why was it so silly? Because that's that's all it was like it at the time of the eclipse music played The thing broke open and Oreo guy walked out and then they played some funny videos Okay, right on and then everyone who's there actually missed the eclipse Everybody's like oh crap. I missed the eclipse. I was looking at the stupid Oreo guy If you don't know already Android Oreo will bring you some boot speed and memory improvements fast pixel start time Autofill for apps picture-in-picture so you can play video on top of other tasks Instant apps no download required notification dots remote location wiping Google play protect detecting malicious apps overhauled emojis and We are finally going to get it for the pixel in the nexus 5x and 6p as soon as it gets out of carrier Certification which it's apparently in right now pixel C in the nexus player I'll get it after that which always confuses me because the pixel sees a tablet doesn't require carrier Approval if you just have the Wi-Fi only version like I do but okay fine and then other devices to follow Awesome good stuff Intel announced its first eighth generation processors for 15 wu series mobile processors for laptops The new processors are refreshed a 14 nanometer KB Lake architecture with a higher top clock speed of 4.2 gigahertz four cores and eight threads That's twice the previous u-series Intel claims a 40% performance boost over the seventh generation parts Yeah, this is this is interesting because we are getting what is Intel's really changing what it means when they call things different things And and this latest one is changing the word the need of of the word generation. I mean, this is still 14 nanometer It's still Kaby Lake. It's Kaby Lake refresh a baby. You say Kaby. I say Kaby Let's call it You say seventh gen I say eighth gen because you've got double the cores and threads Which is legitimate like having more cores and threads lets you do things that you couldn't before But I it's hard to think of this as a new generation. It just feels like an improvement on Kaby Lake Well, I was I was gonna add that like this is breaking with Intel's long-held Convention of every generation being a significant micro architecture change and instead what you see is they're Essentially doing product positioning, right? It's like we need to have some of these features in and You know, it is Technically, you know on the new newer upgraded fad process so it's um, you know, I mean The biggest I think the biggest takeaway from this is a lot of people are gonna be confused about where everything Sits because now you have names you have generations that don't match up cleanly But it might be also a part of Intel feeling that they need to start, you know making Making making Not words but features making feature sets like the selling point of these things instead of just like hey It's a new generation blah blah blah. Yeah, we got this feature got this feature They got us off the clock crack the clock speed crack a long time ago Then they then they got us off the tic-tac crack is they broke tic-tac last year years So and and now now the generation I don't even know if it was crack, but Essentially, it's it's like they've made a lot of their own words meaningless to me That's that's what it ends up being Microsoft open pre-orders for the Xbox one X on Sunday the console can handle 4k More 4k it can do games and videos probably the Xbox one s not x But s those are two different letters very close the s can do Streaming video in blu-rays in 4k, but it couldn't do games Now of course the Xbox one X can do it all natively not not upscaling 499 bucks and there's a limited version the project Scorpio version a lot of people like the project Scorpio name before they Officially named at the Xbox one X well now you can get an Xbox one X launch edition that says project Scorpio on it And says project Scorpio on the controller It's kind of like the launch edition of the Xbox one. What else you get with it? That's all the other things that you would get from a normal Xbox one X You'll get any more stuff bundled. Do you talk about the bundles already? Well the bundles are for Xbox one s That's the minecraft edition as well as the Middle Earth shadow of war bundle But that's the s Not the x Okay, got it. Okay Now I'm like am I even reading the same thing? Okay moving on to row 18 at the International Joint Conference on AI and Melbourne this weekend 115 artificial intelligence and robotics specialists released a signed letter to United Nations on the use of lethal autonomous Weapons a letter urged the UN conference of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons to Quote work hard at finding means to prevent an arms race in these weapons to protect civilians from their misuse and to avoid the destabilizing effects of these technologies Among the signers were element AI's Ushua Ben Ben Geo deep-mind founder Mustafa Suleiman Aldebaran robotics Jerome Moncault Moncault Moncault that's that's this good because you're taking the you're doing the French now and Tesla and SpaceX's Elon Musk Yeah So Tesla and space as it's written there as a Tesla as a Tesla I Called him boring company CEO Elon Musk and daily tech headlines I also messed up the the Xbox one s is 4k capabilities and daily tech headlines Apologize for that implied it didn't have any 4k does But yes, this this is not as Damning of a statement as it is being built in some headlines This is saying we are very glad that the UN has started a working group on this We are sad that its first meeting was canceled and we think it's really important that that meeting happened The meeting was canceled because of the lack of dues being paid by some Members of the United Nations They say we call on those countries to pay those dues get this thing working because we really need to figure out Autonomous lethal weapons and the restrictions there on Before it's too late now. They believe that it's very dangerous They don't in this letter say they should be banned and a lot of headlines are saying they're calling for the ban And I think a lot of signatories to this letter would like them to be banned But the letter says what you said which is find a means to prevent an arms race Protect civilians from misuse and avoid destabilizing effects if that means a ban great But I like that they went for these are the results we want to have We're not we're not telling you how to get to those results. Let's work on getting to them though Right, right. Yeah, this is kind of this is a big deal I mean, it's important to have a lot of different smart people working on this because This could be the future of warfare. It already is the future of warfare And it's it's you know, it's scary. I sometimes think folks like Elon Musk may be Overdoing it In public anyway on the dangers of AI and and things like that but I hesitate to ever say that because as soon as you say that Then you regret your words later when it turns out that he was right and so I I do get the rationale Which I think Elon Musk has misunderstood sometimes Of saying we don't know how this works and we don't know what the fallout could be And the fallout could be very dangerous for humanity. Let's figure that out before we start using these in a widespread way He's not talking about current AI. He's talking about advancements that are coming quickly And this is one of those advancements You don't want the guns to decide who gets shot. Yes, that'd be great It's it's interesting because a lot of the stuff Kind of exists already in limited fashion to various capacities, right? Um, you have like on all ships, they all carry close and weapon systems that are essentially automated And they're aimed currently at missiles that head toward the ship We wouldn't be very difficult to rearm them or retarget them to say like a pirate like on a on a dingy or a ship that's Going alongside. I mean a lot of those weapons already have been Retasked for that purpose, but they have a guy with a gunner But they use an ir sensor wouldn't be that difficult to automate that portion of it and so I think um, you know, we're coming to kind of a A cresting point where you know, the technology will get get so ahead of human the human As well as political ability to kind of decide where it goes And I think what this the the folks who are signing this letter are pointing out is That is still a human deciding targets It's when the when the the weapon itself decides targets where you don't have to tell it whether to target the missile or the dingy It estimates the threat itself That that's when it starts to become very problematic not to mention the idea that If you have autonomous weapons that can go out in the field And go to war You are more likely to go to war because you don't have as many casualties You know the temptation might be there. Yeah casualties on your side at least. Yeah. Yeah, exactly You're not risking as many of your of your own people A report from neilson shows that 60 of those aged 18 to 34 use two or more apps for streaming music Okay Only 39 of those of us older than 35 use more than one streaming app for music 18 34 year olds are also 21 percent more likely to choose songs to listen to rather than go with like a pandora style We're like I like this kind of music. Just pick it for me and yet 95 percent of 18 to 34 year olds still listen to am or fm radio weekly on top of their streaming apps That's up. That's up from 92 percent at q4 2016 And finally 70 percent of 18 to 34 year olds use two or more messaging apps versus 42 percent of those older than 35 Now lost in all those numbers for some of you is is the main point here probably which is if you're 18 to 34 It's more likely according to neilson that you're not brand loyal You use a couple of apps and radio for your music You use a couple of messaging apps you use whatever is is good for the thing you want to do Whereas people of over 35 are more likely to pick one thing and go with it That is that is pretty fascinating. I think actually I'm I'm definitely in the Like I'm barely straddling this line and I'm definitely a one app kind of person for For music at least and I wonder how much of the radio stuff is is people's cars Yeah, well, that's what I'm curious about because the radio thing was the most surprising Finding of this study, but what's more interesting is that like when I'm in the car I just naturally just turn on the radio because it's in the car It's just there. I'm just lazy Like we have we have both of our phones can potentially sync up via bluetooth But they have to switch off. We don't have one that accepts both of them So it's kind of a pain And so I'm just like whatever I'm just driving for 10 minutes. I'll listen to the radio. I don't want to deal with it Or I'll listen to an audiobook and I and I it's kind of weird because I'm an older guy Okay, middle-aged guy But I use the radio to kind of see where the trend is at Like I'll listen to whatever. Oh, I'm not thinking about it that hard. That's for sure I I'm just curious to know if my taste of deviated. Oh, my taste of O is deviated from You just want to know how far your tastes have deviated from the norm these days Should I be going to the gold golden old these sections? Yeah, I don't know that a fm a m fm radio apps count in this or not I haven't been able to determine that that would that would make a slight difference here But I think the gist of it is the same if I'm whether I'm listening to an am station or an fm station on my app or not I'm deciding to listen to radio Which goes counter to the idea that when I'm listening to a streaming app I pick the music because the radio station picks the music for me But yeah, like like uver onica eileen and I Have bluetooth in her car. I don't have it in my car And because of that a lot of times she just gives up because oh, I didn't pair this time I don't want to deal with it. I'll just listen to the radio because it works Exactly Yeah Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines.com. You can get it on the anchor app It's a special app that allows you to flip through the stories in case there's some that you've already heard or you're not as interested in And you can make calls into the station and everything So you can find us there at anchor.fm or just look for the anchor app in your app store You can also get it as a podcast at daily tech headlines.com and on the amazon echo as a flash briefing Uh for our discussion today, we pulled up a bbc story by tim hartford called why didn't electricity Immediately change manufacturing now. This is a A bugaboo of mine is to go back and say look at what how old technologies affected people and what they were scared of And you'll find that it's almost always exactly the same thing that we're facing now I'm curious before we go into a little bit about what the article said Veronica, what appealed to you out of this story? I just think it it kind of shines a light on how fast we assume societies catch up with technology And sometimes that's true I mean, I think it's very clear that with something new like ride sharing like uber or lyft that we adapted As a society pretty quickly, even though the laws haven't necessarily caught up with it or the unions haven't necessarily caught up with it You know our our mindset around it definitely caught up And if you look back in history, you can learn a lot about how different technologies have have shaped societies And how sometimes they took a little longer to catch up because people were just so You know rooted in in what they were doing and also had the infrastructure set up in such a way that they weren't optimizing for the new technology until much later when they were able to completely restruct How reconstruct how their factories were created and how you know, they thought the buildings were set up And and there's a lot that goes into that. Yeah, and and you'll hear people talk about a productivity gap Saying with the internet, uh, we should be seeing big productivity boost. Why aren't we seeing that? That's not a new That's not a new thing. Yeah, we talk all the time on dts about well This company isn't adapting to new technology. That's also not a new thing So let's go back to the age of electricity. Thomas Edison and joseph swan independently invented usable light bulbs in the late 1870s Uh, so think of that as the beginning of hey, we've got this new technology. That's that's your arpa arpa net moment essentially Uh, 1881 electricity generating stations, uh, were set up in both london and new york by thomas edison by 1900 though Okay, 30 years after those light bulbs 20 years after those first electricity generating stations less than five percent Of drive power in u.s factories came from electricity They were trying to replace steam drives Uh steam steam powered manufacturing had been the the the way things were done steam drives required everything to be connected to the steam drive by pulleys and levers and belts Because the big steam powered engine, you know pumped the drive and then that the driver thing Yeah, yeah So like you were saying veronica everything had to be built around that you didn't have a lot of flexibility And you needed a very specific kind of space You needed a space that was open and large enough to to be able to fit these machines um, they were they had to be oiled constantly they had to like people had to um You know take care of them and make sure they were well maintained Of course all all that's still true, you know as as history went on but they they had developed a very specific skill set in taking care of these machines and The advent of electricity and bringing that into factories enabled them to Really have smaller brighter spaces Be able to have the the layouts of the rooms completely change. Um, they were much safer They were able to hire people who were very attuned to other kinds of skill sets They had to pay they could pay them more There were there were all these different factors that kind of went into it But it did it did take them to kind of have to think okay. We need to think for the The long term here instead of the very near term because the near term was still profitable and you know steam wasn't Going it wasn't a resource that was going somewhere. It's not like they were running out And they had to the rush to change everything. There wasn't a lack of steam. Yeah, so they were okay there They just had to be like, okay. Well, we just have to take a hit now to kind of rebuild these factories and retrain people and and Understand that we're going to make more money in the future because of it And what caused a lot of delay Is the companies that did take the risk and replaced their steam drives with the electric ones at first Didn't see the savings They had to spend a lot of money. They put in this electric drive And not much changed And and people started to say see this electricity things a fad steam works just fine You spend all that money and then what you don't make you don't save a lot of money because They just put the electric motor in place of the steam drive. They didn't do any other adaptation They didn't do all those things that Veronica was just talking about. Yeah, they did not optimize They still had all of the sewing machines Connected as monoliths to the steam drive rather than having electric motors at every desk And putting more people out there to do the sewing on their individual sewing machines That could be plugged in and connected by wires. Now, it seems obvious enough Well, of course you plug you you can plug other things into electricity But everybody was thinking steam in steam. You had to have everything connected to the main motor. You had to have it's it's like uh like uh Like having a mainframe computer, right? It took a while for people to realize with personal computers what you could do with them Like oh, I can take my computer to the cafe. Yeah With a laptop right laptop like the getting the mindset away from like a mainframe Like a giant computer in one room that you have to go to versus being able to take your tiny pocket computer with you wherever you go Like it you need a leap of imagination there now in the 1920s productivity began to soar Because it had been 50 years since the that that first Introduction of the idea of being able to use electricity and manufacturers finally Were coming along either starting new or finally figuring out. Oh, we have this flexibility. We should use it And and changing how they were able to do this. That's when you start to see assembly lines That's when you start to see uh productivity rise productivity Yeah, actually becomes a thing like the practice of productivity and optimizing for productivity becomes a huge trend Uh in industrial america and it's actually really funny too. Some of those some of those Lessons are still being used today in productivity research. It's really interesting and that could be a problem Because now we're up not optimizing for our our immediate future Right and and even as recently as the 1980s economist robert solo was saying you can see the computer age everywhere But in the productivity statistics Uh because even though we got these pcs on people's desks We were still using them as if they were mainframe computers in a lot of cases It wasn't until the year 2000 That productivity began to lift again Because of computers and a lot of people were crediting that productivity lift to the internet But the internet was so young especially the worldwide web was so young That while companies reorganized around what computers would do they didn't reorganize around what the internet and networks could do And we are seeing a productivity lag now and a lot and and it's reasonable to think that part of that Maybe not all of it is because we haven't figured out how to reorganize around the internet We're still working like a 1980s era computer Organization even though we have the ability to do things in an entirely different way because of networking It's really interesting. I think it's it's actually pretty cool And it makes me hopeful that we will continue to to optimize for this new world that we live in I know the internet definitely does not help with my productivity But I think the internet as infrastructure could definitely in the future help with my productivity. Well, yeah Yeah, I mean talking we're talking about the the difference between the internet as the the internet versus the internet as a platform or a Right right part of our infrastructure, which it is I'm wondering how much of that has to do for example the steam engine and even computers how much of the legacy Infrastructure you have to deal with I mean like with I mean like moving that like just if you could just kind of clean sheet A new factory you don't have to worry about any of the old machines that you need to bring along Would that have made it The jump easier because like oh, I'm going to start a new factory. I got these electric motors and stuff I don't need to worry about bringing on the old sewing equipment I don't need to be worried about bringing all the old equipment because I'm starting fresh And I'm wondering if the same thing with Computer computer integration is that you know for the longest time people are still printing out mail Yeah, and taking that piece of paper and then sending it off to someone else And we haven't even hit widespread broadband adoption yet I mean people are still working in basically in dial-up speeds in many parts of the country That's not optimizing for for the internet as a as a country in on a whole and across the world I mean it's the the numbers of people who don't even have access to the internet are still staggering So like we can't even talk about what the potential of the internet will be for productivity in in the global workplace Until we actually can say that you know a good number of the people in the global workforce Have access to internet that is at least at broadband speeds Part of it is being able to start fresh and say well I'm going to use the tools that I have And and do what those tools allow me to do instead of using this old pattern based on having a steam drive or whatever Part of it is also not knowing what that new technology really allows you to do There's things that that people are doing with the internet now That I don't think anybody in the 90s realized you could do Look at twitter for instance, you know for for good or ill It has changed the way we communicate and no one in the 90s predicted twitter Well, okay, there was probably they're going to send me two examples of somebody who said something that sounds a little bit like twitter But most people were not saying that's what how it's going to be work facebook the same way Instagram the same way and those are those are just popular social networks So you know forget all the other kinds of systems and client service and cloud computing that were not Not necessarily what we were thinking of when the web first arrived It takes a while to figure out what a technology is good at And then adapt your your business practices to that new technology And and so we're we're in the middle of that process right now It was funny when you mentioned internet as a productivity drain One can make the same argument about the steam drive right when you were connected to the steam drive And that thing didn't slow down and you had to make sure you didn't get your scarf caught into it You paid attention you didn't goof off. You couldn't goof off You had to go at the process of the steam drive Once electricity came around and you could have small electric motors and you can have one at your own desk Well, then goofing off became more possible, right? Because because hey, I could just uh lean away from my machine and i'm not going to get my scarf caught in it Right. I I have my own machine, but productivity went up. So we always Exaggerate the productivity drain aspects of these things Yeah, I think you could be right. Yeah Uh, well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com It's a way for us to find all these cool interesting takes on technology And you can also do them at facebook.com slash groups Slaps daily tech news show time to check in with the amateur traveler with a tip for tech in rome and elsewhere This is chris christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute I was just in rome and one of the things that's nice about the city of rome is if you're carrying around a water bottle You can always refill it, but one of the things that was unusual on this trip is I found a kiosk Right near the roman coliseum just outside the coliseum metro station. Okay, apologies. We're going to try that again Here we go tech in travel minute. This is chris christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute I was just in rome and one of the things that's nice about the city of rome is if you're carrying around a water bottle What was unusual on this trip is I found a kiosk Right near the roman coliseum just outside the coliseum metro station That had not only cold refrigerated still water, but also cold refrigerated Fizzy water with lines of course lined up But what the other interesting thing about that kiosk is that also had four places That had usb ports where you could charge your cell phone Which is very cool Although it is a reminder that when you're doing something like that there or at the airport Or someplace else in a public place It's a great time to have a data block usb cable in your kit that could prevent any Malware from coming onto your phone through the data port of your usb When you charge your phone in a public place So that might be something you think about for your next trip. I'm chris christensen from amateur traveler. So when in rome Still be careful of usb ports Yes, not an exception We don't even plug our phones into cars these days without some kind of You know, no, I try I use an oxjack I don't I don't I don't send my music in because who knows. Hey, thank you chris christensen You can find more about traveling with chris at amateur traveler dot com and thank you for ronnie kabalman for joining us Of course, thank you for having me what you got going on to tell folks about well today is monday So that means there's a new episode of irl podcast out today This week we dive into surveillance and all the gadgets and gizmos and internet stuff That is watching your every move and it is also the reason why if you're watching the video show right now I have this handy dandy little flap that I can flap right over my camera now. You can't see me But you can still hear me Where'd you go? I'm hiding. I'm hiding from surveillance Veronica Oh, there you are So check it out at irl podcast.org two more episodes left in this season You had your own eclipse there for a minute. I did I did I saw it So check it out Thanks to everybody who gives a little value back to this show for the value they get from the show We're we're almost to our goal every month of having at least one more patron than last month We just need seven more of you folks out there who aren't already backing us So if you think the show's worth five cents, you can pledge a dollar an episode at patreon.com Slash dtns Our email addresses feedback at daily tech news show dot com. We're live monday through friday 4 30 p.m Eastern 20 30 utc at alpha geek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv and our website Is daily tech news show dot com back tomorrow with patrick beija talk to you then Show is part of the frog pants network Get more at frogpants.com Hope you have enjoyed this program Alrighty, I don't know what why that happens with amateur travelers second week Oh, really? Yeah, and I tested it before the show and it was fine Yeah, it's weird because he's not of this earth Dimension he's from earth 12 possibly he's from earth 12 Um, so yeah, what should we call it? Android oh so awful intro. Oh, it's orio brave-due non productivity When electricity picked up steam scarfing up progress. Oh, I like that electricity picked up. I like when electricity picked up steam Google has the white stuff you say 7th gen I say 8th gen I think they missed the joke there All my exes are not s's You don't want the guns to decide who gets shot. I like to have to mobile kill the radio star I think except it didn't No, apparently It was video you could not you you needed to look better than Well, no, I mean not to get pedantic, but radio usage went up So it doesn't even fit the story the radio star is apparently doing okay Um tech progress is electric Tech what does this thing do Veronica's and oh Veronica's in the house Uh, what's happening when electricity picked up seems to top. Yeah I also I also like you don't want the guns to decide who gets shot, but the electricity one is the main topic. So I say I say we'll go with that one And I'm going to talk in my steam era voice steam era steam era Now the other question is whether I can edit out that little weird bit with tech and travel Because sometimes well actually I know how I know how I could make sure that Sometimes I can't hear audacity Which I don't need to You don't you don't usually Except for in these rare cases when I make changes There will be a court killers tonight Yay Yeah, brian brushwood is out of town, but I'll be hosting with uh brice castillo and shon holster from sena So no brushwood But yes the court killers. I know it's going to be I think it's the first time I've hosted court killers without brian He's done it before without me Mm-hmm So it's going to be a little weird I don't think I've ever hosted sword and laser without you You interviewed people with josh, but I think that's the closest we've ever come Right Is josh your alternate? He has been in the past sort of yeah, I guess so Yeah, and I've interviewed and I've done the same. I've interviewed people without uh without you All right, so we're So roger you made a uh you Hit a what? You made a note of where I needed to edit right? Yeah, right when it got really distorted with the audio Thanks I can't It goes in it goes in um Right after we talk about steam in the future So unhelpful so unhelpful what I would do is go backwards and find where veronica talks about Oh, I found it. I couldn't see it In the waveform usually it sticks out Bath time for ellie Nice You can hear her jovial cries. She really likes the water. I think most kids like the water Yeah, I think kids like splashing around If they want to Two more weeks and off to preschool Got her a lunch box a little cold pack to keep whatever food she needs to eat sustains This is your best time filling is to hum Oh, sorry I'm actually I'm supposed to be on a two o'clock call. So I should probably see if I can get in on that All right. Thanks veronica. Thank you. I'll see you guys later. Bye. Bye All right, hold on one moment, please Tell me if this sounds right Tech news show time to check in with the amateur traveler with a tip for tech in rom and elsewhere This is chris christen. Ah darn it. It's a little bit short Oh well Did you go away roger? No, I'm still here. Can you hear me? Yeah Is my picture gone? No, no, I see it. I wasn't looking at video. You just didn't say anything when I asked Oh, no, you were playing the audio. I thought you're going to go back make it edit and replay it It's good audio I have one of those usb cables that has no data connection Just for power. So you see that I can tell because it's the uh Spring-loaded one and the both ends that routes into that little um Circle deely. All right. It's gonna sound a little weird. Here's I'm gonna check in with the amateur traveler with a tip for tech in rom. This is chris christen sent from There we go. Good. All right Rome Where you want to run and elsewhere? I I the elsewhere was just too Too close To his first word to make Make it work Because I had to split it off anyway That's That's gonna happen There you go That's why you guys uh hang out On the post show, right? See how how we don't make sausage, but we do make editing Sausage editing Who does making sausage but editing the entrails of an animal? Um When electricity picked up steam Probably made a lot of places a lot more comfortable to work too Yeah Because they had more room They didn't have to all be like cramped in around the steam drive Well, you think about all the noise that all those gears and yeah, that's what make and then um Yeah, and then the heat from the steam engine and you'd also need you know You would have a high humidity from the steam and well And that was another thing they put it out in this in this article Is that if anything if any one thing in the factory needed to be run You ran the entire steam engine So it was not terribly efficient. You couldn't you know, you couldn't quiet it down And you had to keep it boiling even in the middle of summer There's there's no way to make a small efficient steam engine I guess is what they were saying with the technology at the time Which is why I always find steampunk to be so very odd Because well They they a lot of steampunk presumes the miniaturization of steam drives into the same form factors as electric motors Which is a big jump. Yeah, but there were steam cars. Oh, yeah steam boats No, but I mean like like per passenger, you know personal vehicles powered by steam. Yeah, I would the britain had um Before they had a petrol field lorries. They had gas or the steam powered lorries They were and they were, you know fairly compact little steam engines That's actually uh, there is a A harry turtledove alternate universe novel called the two georges That posits the united states does not rebel against england And what happens and part of the part of the thing that happens is electricity It doesn't make its advances as early and so everybody's got steam powered cars because of what you were saying about england developing them Yeah, but like you would constantly need need to get water Yeah Well, you got to constantly give them gas too Yeah, but you would need water and coal so you need the coal the heat and the water to get steam It could be made more efficient. I would think all right. I mean you can get a collector. I'm sure That's weak And the idea is if electricity isn't there Uh to to replace some parts of the gasoline engine. It just makes more sense to keep working on steam You also don't maybe you maybe don't exploit texas and the oil reserves as as quickly I think that may have been more of a part of it. I don't think about it All of turtledove's books alternate history or am I just yeah, he's uh, he mostly does alternate history. Yeah Guns of the south is his big. Yeah, that okay. So yeah, I remember that that's the whole series Where somebody goes back in time and and brings m16s to the civil war automatic weapons to the confederacy. Yeah, yeah But I I never read those I did read uh the two georgias and the idea Was that king george and apparently this is based on on a real proposal King george wanted to visit the united states To solve all the problems and because he was mad his advisors wouldn't let him So harry turtledove is like well, what if they did? uh, and then he posits a scenario where george washington actually bends the knee and submits and the united states doesn't rebel and they they get some freedoms, but they don't they Takes them more canadian. It turns into candidate. Basically. Exactly Exactly And when we say mad we don't mean he was angry. No, like the mad king He didn't burn anybody with wildfire or anything like that. He was just a little Is a little eccentric except yes He had he had challenges I mean, here's a historical figure. Is it still okay to call him mad? Mad king george. That's his historically, but We today we would call him crazy We just call him king george I mean, would you still put that in front of? I guess you could. I mean like people say crooked nixon or something like I guess you could say he was mad. Well, peter the great So-and-so the usurper Hagar the barbarian Well, it wasn't all the great kings sargon the Destroyer no the why like his you know this whole thing with the laws Um The steely with his laws etched on it king king birdie the inept There's there's descriptions of of monarchs historical descriptions that aren't flattering Vlad the impaler. Thank you strike it rich Pails quite a few people Everyone else gun of the cod known. Oh sargon the great the great. Oh, he's just the great That's not that interesting everybody's the great pure great katharine the great So many the greats. He's the original the great He's the og original great Oh, what's that? What was what I just heard a boo-doo. Did you not hear it? No thought it came from your end? No Anybody else hear it or is it in my head someone said sargon take me away. I love it They're the mesopotamians Sargon Hammurabi ashurbanapel And gilgamesh Yeah, everybody else heard it too on the stream. So it must have come from you roger I'm sorry. I didn't hear anything. Oh, that's weird That's weird too because you shouldn't hear anything Other than my voice some kind of alert noise Uh Maybe I press too many keys. This is the thing. I don't hear it. So I can't tell yeah It's getting routed somewhere where you can't hear it, but it goes out on the stream. That's unnerving What else is getting routed there? Hey roger's uh Primal file Zoe brings back and recognizes the sound but you can't place the application. It's supposed to come from I would say the closest the only thing I'm typing into is chrome And I'm on windows 10. It came from inside roger's computer Okay We are published We are good for the day Thank you so much for joining us And talking some tech. We hope you enjoyed it and we will see you again tomorrow Bye