 And I think you know to call out authority and speak your truth and fight the system when you've got nothing to lose is relatively easy really. Anyone can do that because what's the worst that can happen and I think the real courage is those that have got something to lose but still do it anyway and still fight anyway. And obviously like you said I'm not sure who you're referring to in terms of that podcast but that they've looked at it and gone yeah but I've got all these subscribers and I've got this lifestyle now that I like and I've got this endorsement with X, Y and Z so I'll shut up whereas the real courage is those that go well I'll lose the endorsement then well I'll lose this then I'll lose that then because the truth is more important. Gareth you're you're remarkably well balanced if I may say so considering the the the shit you must have gone through growing up. Is that something you've had to work on? By that folks I'm referring to David going through the public humiliation and and just the the worst side of not just human nature but British British thuggish culture as it can be um was how how did you get your head around that if if and again you don't have to answer anything you don't want to it's no no I'd be honest I went there to come back so um in my school years I was a bit you know a bit sort of off the rails or whatever and and got expelled and things like that and then um when I became into my late teens I was in punk bands and so I lived in a tour bus for like five years basically and just drank and woke up on benches in in places and then I started playing beach soccer um I got basically I was in the pub obviously and I had played football back in the day I played over at ports for football club when I was living on the Isle of Wight and so there was a beach soccer tournament that was taking place the next day and these lads have gone yeah mate you used to play in golden yeah and I was like yeah I'm freaking a million years ago why and they said um well we need a goalie for this game tomorrow and I was like okay yeah fine I'll do it I'd add enough beers to agree to it anyway next day totally forgot that I'd agree to it and my sister phoned me was like you supposed to be playing beach soccer today aren't you because we're gonna come down I was like you are and um and so anyway I went and I turned out and I played this match I never played beach soccer before um and had a bit of a worldie really and then um ended up playing for this team a few times and it was a bit of a laugh and then I got a phone call probably about a month later saying um can can you be in Marseille like when can you be in Marseille so my response was obviously like well who's paying and I'll decide if I'm being Marseille or not why and basically what had happened is the England squad were they're playing World Cup qualifiers and someone had knocked over a coffee machine in the foyer of this hotel and it basically severed the well all but severed the big toe of the substitute goalie right just toes hanging off so they didn't have a goalie they've obviously phoned around all these other goalies that play in this league and you know I can't get out of work that short notice can't do this can't do that so it's come to me and obviously at that time I was playing in band so I could kind of do what I wanted when I wanted really so I agreed and I flew out to Marseille sat on the bench against France didn't get a kick didn't expect to as well as I was just there for the sunshine sort of sat there and then the next game was against Greece and the goalie who was first choice goalie had suffered with Vertigo I mean there must have been the most limited injury prone team in the world anyway he suffered from Vertigo so he played the first period so it's nil nil there's three periods of 20 minutes in B soccer he's um he's not right when he comes off the first period he's like so they obviously the manager's turned to me it's like you're going to have to go in and obviously my arse is falling out I was like I've just you know this it's live on Eurosport I'm just here for a laugh and I went in anyway I saved a penalty and we won four nil and um and then that was it and so when I came back from France after that they were starting to prepare for this tour of South Africa which was in about five months and so I just thought do you know what short shank redemption get busy live and get busy dying do you know what I'm going to do I'm going to get me head down and I'm going to make sure I go to South Africa and so I did and that sort of saved me a bit because it got me off the booze it got me fit I mean not that I was an alcoholic but I was you know drinking too much but it got me fit and gave me a bit of focus and then I went to South Africa and played out there and then I ended up in playing in Israel and Azerbaijan and Norway and all these like random countries that you'd never normally go to um and that sort of focused me a bit and then that was that and then um yeah that's me basically but I but I became grounded as a result of losing the plot basically rather than just being able to deal with everything you know how well were you gareth when your dad was on on wogan I know he's on there twice um eight maybe eight o'clock eight o'clock um eight years old I'm trying to think the second one the second one was years later wasn't it um yeah they were both fiasco so weren't they yeah they were yeah yeah it was fun it was weird though because like I went from him being like whenever you went around places obviously this days before camera phones and whatever but whenever you went out people would stop him in the street and they'd want an autograph the one shake his hand or whatever and it went from that to people shouting at him in the street and laughing and pointing in as a kid in in the space of about 25 minutes so it was very odd I must admit as a kid it was just like why is everyone being a dick um so that was strange yeah but then but what it also is one of those things you know when people say I don't care what people think yeah you do yeah you do um but what it did is it I don't think I'd have ever got onto a stage as a musician I don't think I'd have ever probably gone out and played beach soccer all over the world and done all these things almost fearlessly if if I hadn't have had all that shit really so and it's the same now like I'll say what I want if I believe something to be true I'll say it and obviously you get loads of shit back for it and and I just sort of just laugh and I'd end up getting messages quite a lot of people that I used to go to school with and whatever they're just like mate I wish I could say the stuff you say because I think it as well but I'll just get you know mother-in-law or employer or guys across the road or whatever so I don't bother saying it whereas I'm just like well I've been battered so much with it that I'll say what I want thanks just if we can just do this one thing I've always wanted to ask your dad if I got the chance to to podcast or speak to him was that first wogan show was your dad becoming enlightened garrifall would you say he was unwell I don't mean like he was off the mark unwell I mean that how did his enlightenment come around I think to be honest what he would say after I've heard him say it before like it was like he basically came into so much information so quickly that it was basically like he describes it as someone just smashing the keys on a computer yeah and in the end the computer just freezes and it's trying to process it and after a while the little spinning icon goes and everything shows itself but I think the point he went on wogan was at that point where was basically just trying to compute stuff but then at the same time like I've seen that interview back and you know the tracksuit pretty dreadful but when they say you know he said he was the son of god no he didn't he actually didn't say that he said that we were all sons of the godhead now I don't see that as being so out there what you're basically saying is that we're all brothers and sisters of the same force you know we're all one another now I find that strange that people would find that kooky to kind of think that that's the way it is I mean I think that's just most people think that that we're all whoever put us here whatever put us here we're all one aren't we do not mean like I wasn't put here by him and he wasn't put here by her it was like we're all here together so I don't yeah that whole thing is weird to me that's what the scriptures say anyway isn't it we're all born in god's image or to me that's just a way of saying like I say we're all part of the universe it's not yeah it's not out there is it no that's the thing and most of the people that'd be taking the mic would be sat singing hymns in midnight mass do not mean and so it's like well which is it is it nonsense or is it not you know although one funny story actually so around about that time we'd gone out for the day on the alawai just as a family and we went to a place called god's it when it's lovely loads of tea rooms they've got a model village I'm a bit of a train geek so I'd love the model village all the trains and stuff like that and we're taking a walk to the top of the hill and there's this really beautiful little church right and this was when all this stuff was going around about you know Jesus blah blah blah and so we looked around the church and all of a sudden there's loads of people there tourists it was this big tourist place and all of a sudden the church caught fire right and I don't know how it happened but it went up and you know it didn't burn it down but part of the roof went up and whatever and I just remember like some of the other tourists like looking like what is going on like easy suddenly the church is on fire this is a bit weird and you knew like for a split second people were starting to doubt like what's happening what's what you know as you brought someone like second coming thing and the church has gone up I think about that sometimes it makes me chuckle so I went home and I I found the video is referring to all one of them and it was oh my god it was just a further moment of enlightenment but I'd say that was the one that put me on the this side of the fence as opposed to like being in it's one that got finally like really got me out the matrix but I remember back then if anybody on social media media social media mentioned David it would be like the 99 attack the one right but I can use in that you know the terms that people you all us all the CIA invented slurs right now it's the other way around the one person that uses the conspiracy they get attacked by the 99 or the one person that slags your dad off suddenly it's like oh do you you know do you realize all of what he said is coming true and this kind of thing and I just want to say I'm pleased to have seen that in my lifetime it's yeah I think I think New York and Washington red pilled a lot of people a lot of people because that story is so like the official narrative is so ridiculous that even those that would go bloody lizard moon landing flat earth whatever even they with that would be I mean I know a few people that believe the complete official narrative but they believe you know the official narrative of everything because that's who they are but most people I think have at least some very very big questions about that whole thing