 You can ask questions as well. Okay, I had this question before from one of the audience. It is, how network connectivity is addressed in raw government or proved on? If I'm not able to answer the whole question, I am a director who will be assisting here. So in terms of network connectivity, we have two pieces to that. The internal connectivity within the country plus the international connectivity. So in terms of international connectivity right now, we have most of the connections only coming from India. For regard to the problems, our department is also in the process of talking to the government in Bangladesh. So we will also have international connectivity from Bangladesh because we understand that they have a huge supply and cable surplus connectivity. And within the national, as I presented in the afternoon, we have a national fiber network. So as I have shown on the slides from the economic forum, in terms of the ICT affordability, we are really doing well. Out of seven, we almost score 5.9, which is close to six. So connectivity is improving a lot. So it's just the services and the other aspects that we need to become. Thank you. One more question coming in. Any best practices available for meeting the government department's enterprise architecture? Any suggestions on institutional framework that can be available? I will try that. What I have seen is after a certain point, it does help if the government or any organization for my time will actually use the tools to make some of the most productive products and architecture models. The idea here is not to choose a specific tool, but the fact that the need for a tool is important because it is potentially possible in government organizations that you might have a core team in the architecture, but it is also possible that you might have an extended team which could be members from the participating ministries who are also contributing to the work. And that is how it gets, I would say, adopted. And that's how the footprint of the enterprise architecture expanded. It should not be just limited to the core team that is doing that. It should be okay at the initial stages, but at some point you need to kind of expand it. And that sort of tool actually gives you a lot of collaboration. It gives you lots of what-if analysis. What happens if my decondition is specific system? What happens if my database standard changes? So all of those connectivity, connectivity is something that is more easier done in a tool rather than trying to do it on word or on visual or what-if. So that is one way of maintaining the vitality of the enterprise architecture. It is very important because anything that you do when you're doing security, business, technology, data, any of the ways or the perspectives, it is going to change. So it's important that the ongoing maintenance of the enterprise architecture itself is one of the critical tasks that is factored into the overall program. And it proves to help a lot of people. So I want to ask you something. So looking at what Dr. Stahar said, when we begin, I would still have my Indian experience, from the level between the launch team, Panchaik, the Mission World Project. So we have in our country 250,000 local bodies, rural local bodies, electric bodies, and they wanted to do an automation. And the layers, complexities are there. Devolution of power is different. So business values are quite different and still they wanted to have workflow systems. And now those business values are changing, always changing. Whosoever critical parties in Karnataka or other countries, they will decide how much power they need to be given. We had to do enterprise architecture study. In what will be, return involvement was from the government department, from the various levels. Because yesterday we said it's not a technology exercise. Our experience is a primarily detailed business enterprise study. IT systems should be structured in such a way that they should be able to align. Similarly, in the industry of drinking water and sanitation, we had a bigger challenge. At least in Panchaik, we were doing an added issue. So even IT or everything was just pressed. We didn't have the chance to capture the complexity of the business process. But in drinking water, we had two operational information system, national information system running, being used. And I could not have gone for destructive exercise. So involvement of business process, business leaders at various levels and continuation of ongoing systems and slowly aligning. It took time to align. But both were very, both were different aspects and both were. Buying in, but I must say within the government as Mr. Son was saying, selling it within the government is still a challenge and I need to be guided. It's very difficult to convert the entire thing that this is because of enterprise study, otherwise it would not have been possible. That matrix is not there. Or if the slight change in the business dynamics would result how much the propagated impact, those business methods we need to work on. So then again sell to secondary, the new government had changed, the priorities have changed, but IT system, your investment on IT systems is more or less leveraged upon and you don't have to make a deal. Mr. Rai, if there's a question. Myself as a solution from Infosys, a solution I take up. Before asking for the question, I would like to thank you. Last year I was part of this open conference as a small scale in Hyderabad. But this time I can say that double thanks. Because we got the opportunity to build across the nation and their case studies. It was a good learning for us. All the government faculty, we are doing a top to top approach. We heard the buzzwords, smart city, smart country, smart nation, smart world. But I want to go in a part of the top approach. We want to make citizens smart. If citizen is smart enough, the entire system is easy for us. Like now, as a volunteer I will be case study, how we can make a citizen smart. What is empowerment? Uneducation. So as part of the empowerment, how the program and enterprise architecture and government body create a scope to a citizen, for example startups. What is the scope to create it? To become the sort of ready to be product. Because still we are having a challenge to bring a startup to the industry. I have seen that the presentation, their job and digital empowerment the same we want in each country so that we, like a startup companies, immediately come into the market. They double and they create the empowerment in the world. Thank you. I will try that. See usually what you see, the example of China was presented typically what happens is in the government sectors, even though the logical thinking is it should be taught now, in reality it never starts from there. What happens, look at India, one state started it, it is actually middle of it. So one state started it, now other states are showing interest in it. I am sure now there is a lot of traction even at the national level. So it is always there are always segments or portions of the organization, enterprise which are going forward. In this case it was a state. In China's case there are actually departments or ministries. It is always like that. Because the point here is there are certain parts of the organization because in the government there is a single organization who would like to be kind of at the forefront, a trade blazer so to speak. They want to do the enterprise architecture. First there are certain learnings on there, there is a case study, there is a success story. And then slowly it kind of leaves into the rest of the organization and the rest of the enterprise. So it is possible that there are certain smart cities or cities who have been identified to be smart cities who have become this and say ok let's do it for one of the cities of India. Depends on the leadership of the organization. And the other question you had was what is the supply? Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. Yes sir. The enterprise architecture is not one-day job it is a two-year job. Absolutely. Then during the two years then we have losing land and two years around the cities then they are going to the reference scope. Unless we have to go the top-down and bottom-up approach in the same time so that if we build we have cities are ready to use that. It is always like that, it is always like that, please. The top-down primarily this happens because the decision, also decisions have a one-through, flow. This wait for enterprise architecture is a big policy decision that the government of India should have won over our team, enterprise architecture framework is a policy decision and would involve a lot of funding which will happen primarily at some x level only. We eat a straight capital, it cannot happen at district level. But that does not stop the solution roll out and hand holding the city. That was also, that is a primary also. Reference architecture preparation, I have my own opinion. Making a reference architecture at overarching Indian level is easier job than going for macro management specialists. You can slowly, slowly drill down and make a state level and then or make a state level or segmented vertical. So generally it begins, we have taken the case of, I do not want to rate but metal enterprise fee, it was 50,000 view and 30,000 view and then come the specific overarching specification becomes very easy to take in on top level and slowly fund also flows, buying it happens and there is administrative will power also starts flowing, then it reaches to the district level. Today any collector, district collector starts preparing enterprise architecture for the state, probably in other now it will be possible because they have a friend's architecture to refer and plugging back. Otherwise it is very difficult. Just to give you an example, I think it is probably good to say it was one of the things that we are doing and part of the work that G.S.A.T. was mentioning earlier in national, in E.A., in the R.A.T. apart from E.A.T., the second case study that is coming out will be in the state of Odisha, but they are not going the entire state, they are choosing the health department. So it is always like that, there is always a priority, it is never that you are going for the entire enterprise because if you wait for the entire enterprise, in this case the entire national government will never go. It is very difficult. We know the amount of investment and efforts when we go for rural, local bodies at the ground control level, at the military level, block level, district level, state level and country level. It is a massive and demands a lot of energy, passion, commitment and many times does not come. Just because we had an institutional support, National Informatics Centre at three levels present, I put here with my district development officer, state level and I.C. and we would agree. Similarly in Hindu mode, just because we are barely present at all and if we do it otherwise, it is very difficult. So I am glad to know that it was an achievement. Now many more, we did it in 2012, we need to be updating it, we did it in 2014, now Prakati has come in 15 and Odisha will come with many history books, reference are related, we have made this easier and many more people would have it. So the disease is pretty. Disease. Just one thing on top down is the product. All instrumentations, if you look at successful implementation, you have to make a good one, because it is every ownership, you are not going to get success. So it is always important to have a leader who is a visionary, who is on board. And that is for one side. In a nation, maturity, the level of maturity of society is represented in a leadership. So if you elect leaders of certain categories of visionaries, then you are going to get visionary leadership. So it is a tool wasted, but the technical ownership is vital. In anything, private sector, normal sector, I have seen it involved more after getting ownership. You may get a successful implementation, but your adoption is never good. So that is important. I think coming back to the smart citizen, I think from the enterprise architecture perspective, it is all about intersecting people, process and technology. So when it comes to government sectors, then people is about common employees working as citizens. So as part of that, I think literacy initiative has to be very critical. We have the general literacy initiative plus the digital literacy initiative. So we talk about smart moment and then digital literacy initiatives become very critical except of that whole infrastructure. Thank you. Why can't we collaborate with the startups? Because it is a five years plan for the government to bring it to the citizen. Already there are startups who are coming with this smart small solution and they are going into the commercial. They have capability to turn to the citizen until the solution is ready. They educate the citizen and bring it to the other person. So let me answer that. That was the point I was missing. So all the RFPs that are coming out as a result of feedback, if you are online, you can actually see the RFPs. There is a clause which says that obviously there is no single organization that can respond to one RFP as a single entity. So the idea here is that it will be a consortium of respondents. 30% of the consortium value needs to be coming from companies who are SMEs located in the state of AP. Is that okay? Enough. That is to encourage the business. Biological observations, as Jais had described, is the ability to provision of access to an able 30% of these SMEs to the labs. Yes. Like actually we actually run it there. So it's enabling small local businesses, actually the services that are consistent to the information services that you might need to provide. So I think it's a really good reinforcing model. So even if you have the big ease responding to the RFPs, they have to form a consortium which better because they should not necessarily be located in AP. So I just want to take a part of you from the private sector perspective because we encourage you to gentlemen shall leave you from the public sector perspective. So even in the private sector we recognize there's a huge potential not just in terms of corporate social responsibility but in terms of business, in terms of profitability. In HDFC life we recently launched a couple of products targeting at the rural and the micro segment. And our observation is that the customers in those sectors are more loyal, are more credible. They have a higher level of consistency than the customers in the other. And it was a planning realization of the obvious. Secondly we also realize that as corporates our understanding of that geography is fairly limited. And that's the reason the consortium is going to be the way forward. We have to partner with the local organizations who understand the sentiments, who understand the sensitivities, who understand what really matters in that part of the journey. So it is going to require public or private partnership. But having said this there's a huge potential that remains to be unraveled. So I'm going to start to talk about the chiefly asked the question of speed. I don't know if you're ready. It was a comment. I think it's a problem about the people that elect leadership that's appropriate for the charity of the government. So since you live in the states, my interpretation, what I've heard from Matt is here is India's chance to overtake America. I'm not taking responsibility for the U.S. electorate. I have to live there but I don't have to do that except for responsibility. We have the next question. What is the currency of India as INTEA? How open group as an organization is going to be enabled in that? So the development of India is on. I would say it is still about 40% done. And there are two people from open group like James and I am participating there. So there is a contribution from open group. In fact they invited open group to come in and bring in some international practices so that was part of the overall plan so to speak. We expect the first question. So what we are developing there is the reference architecture for state governments. So a unit of analysis there is the state governments. So the state governments can take their reference architecture and immediately start an RFP process. We are also attempting to develop a methodology because one of the things that I've seen in the discussion also is that we can have a reference architecture for the governments and then they will say what do we do with this beautiful pictures and all of that stuff but where is the back of this right? So that's the reason why we are also attempting to develop a methodology step by step methodology which is derived from the Indian and in fact if you work if you remember what you said was saying it's a lighter version of India so that we want to take the relevant aspects of it. And to show the example of how the methodology works in practice we have one case study which is the next one is there will be someone that's the reason why we have chosen as a partner state for this. So we expect something to be out by the month of quickly but that's the official understanding of the language I expected from a month or two. So we are looking for something that needs to be done. So not directly relevant to that question but to do with the role of the Indian government in general government PA initiative. What we are finding is that I think I was trying to convey that what we learned about China was largely a surprise that we stumbled over that accidentally got the information and then followed up and that was actually being made since the moment of two. And at this point we have really quite a long list of governments either adopting TOGF based enterprise architecture activities, a cold government level or some socks at the government whether it's individual ministries or collection of ministries. And one of the, a specific example of with which we have an activity under way to kind of gather that common learning will gather and try and package it up in some way that would be useful to share with other governments or to share with governments that contributed to it and so it's all shared learning. One specific example is the government in Brazil which is now going to come out of some of its recent troubles and the economy is at least not defined this year. So the government is very keen, they look at the size of their country, they look at the number of people in the country and they look at their relative positioning in terms of the United Nations survey or just the whole concept of enterprise architecture that they consider to be very, very mature and very much at the beginning level. And they specifically asked us to help to introduce them to other governments in other countries and see how they can not learn all the same lessons the hard way that people are going over some of the pitfalls that there are on the way and lessons learned along the way. We do actually have a plan for a gathering of various government representatives at our July conference in Canada so that's still in the planning stages but what we're seeing is a lot of commonality but both across, right across the experiences that we've learned about but also some specific commonality in the process and with a bit more analysis and a bit more help from those contributing the information in the first place we should be able to get to a bit of a clearer picture but hopefully help add many, many more countries to the list that might come and talk about their studies at an event such as this in the future. When we were doing some of the preparation work for this conference I was visiting some people in Sri Lanka, just meeting them here. I also visited Kenya and Ethiopia to discover that both of them took out the government programs. That was important when I was there so it was reliable at times at the end. I had an interesting conversation in Bahrain at the weekend. They were unfortunately not able to make it here to talk to you but they had been working on that whole government enterprise arbitration framework for many years. Very mature but they would say that the uptake and implementation and usage across the government departments had been much less than they hoped for until the price of the world rose. Suddenly everyone's become interested because they're bothered too sweet so they can no longer afford to do their own thing. So they started to be coming around to the idea of this and things have changed and it's very interesting. We've got a long journey to go and one of the things I would discover in Ethiopia as an example is having several other countries. World Bank and World Health Organization and they found projects to say oh you need to use enterprise arbitration. That's how the condition is relying these days. So do you think that I don't know. I would love to ask a question. I would. We want to know from your experience across the globe what percentage of the countries all segments who created the enterprise architecture and never meant for the implementation. Because I'm afraid to comment Odisha may do it and once the disease is spread it will become as a part of fashion but business value will not be there because implementation will be there half way through or half way through. So it will be another Bible, Quran, Geeta and enterprise architecture of state government. So what is the integration experience? I was about to say one of the things I said about the reason we were having awards here this time is that there really is some amazing work going on compared to anything else we've seen in governments in this part of the world through American style but in India in particular starting as described with AP but now spreading out. Before then the example I would have given because I surprised me initially when I first came across it as the level of majority in South Africa by the enterprise architecture for probably at least a decade if not longer now and really embracing enterprise architecture very early on and it was mandated from top down and it built it out now they still have it but administrations have changed and we've had several times but it's still there but I need to visit there soon to find out a bit more about the recent activity now and to a point that's been raised a couple of times how they're actually going about maintaining it once they have it they're very mature how do they actually maintaining or systems that they have in place to do and are they giving so South Africa would be one example in the UK it's very much department by department there isn't a government-wide activity at the moment very much so there are for example the Department of Works and Pensions which is the biggest government department I think have been using enterprise architecture for some time they have been customers of several of the framing organizations in our toga ecosystem for some time slightly the Ministry of Justice in the UK is also using using enterprise architecture architecture but it is very much hitting this and it somewhat depends upon one or two champions in the way they might move during their careers to get there so that's quite different and in the US it's possible to predict where they're going it's true that in the US it's bandated bandated but what we know about it is that a successful strategy hasn't actually achieved the results of producing a fantastic IT that difference in architecture stores it in a positive way assignment they become consulting market a very renal posture the due respect to and we have had ASSDG, NSDG I can quote many some documents were prepared and some artifacts but it never brought value to the table so while this disease is spreading I wanted to have an international experience that does it happen in other countries also or is it only a specific situation yeah yeah to answer your question I'm not convinced that it's much more than being a license to work with money for some of its opportunities I've actually heard stories of people saying we know we have to have enterprise architecture if we want to buy one how much would it cost that type of thing that's right but it is to use your term somewhat of a box filling exercise there is some legislation I've heard about I haven't had the opportunity to investigate since I've heard about it which will mandate that each state in the United States has an enterprise architecture and that the chief architect or whatever the equivalent position is I don't know whether they have to have a quantity of architect the closest equivalent is allowed is actually responsible for having one and the funds from federal government are affected if they aren't able to shape how they measure the quality of it, how they measure it in some place I don't yet know but it came up last week at our conference in Scotland to discuss it and dig into that a bit more so earlier the gentleman who is I think he was the example of South Korean Singapore who had different work in Singapore for more than a decade it is a journey Singapore is a very small place you cannot compare it with the state but they started in 1999 and they continued so that is very important sustaining that interest in buying is very important you can always argue that they have a different sense and in all that stuff you have those reasons but that is one of the reasons why they have seen it country like India need to be learning more from China from a Canadian economy the kind of governance may be very different but the challenges are most of the time similar in adoption and sustaining the technology Singapore, South Korea very good ecosystem of players who are coming and participating and creating value I met the mayor of the state of Hawaii and understood from his experience how after opening up the data that he had collected from the perspective of the traffic the weather conditions and what have you the citizens came forward and started delivering value and that is one critical step the government can take in terms of building that and there are tons of examples here which are emerging right now just a couple of days I was reading Economic Times and there was mention of a company which had developed the app which was more like a social app for the farmers and we are talking about facts over here where the literacy level is very low and all the farmer had to do is take a snap of his crop and seek guidance in terms of why the yield is so low you are talking about communication and this mobile app connected this farmer in a very crowd sourcing way to somebody who could just say that hey it seems like there are some worms which have developed in the roots of your plant and that's the value of exposing the data and then getting the contribution from the wider ecosystem we have some more questions yeah I have one question from NIC is there any phone where best practices or case studies on EA done by other nations across the world are post-its for learning if not can open book make an effort to bring out by making a close group of chosen enterprise architects across the world it's one to do I think well I think that's that's really what I was what I was saying a few minutes ago is we are we have some activity going inside actually at the moment inside the Evergreen Star to say okay what have we learned the experiences from India and China and Brazil and South Africa what have we learned what is the system what seems to have been effective and what's been less effective and package that up to share what those best practices are and then hopefully also be able to say okay well that's the government situation what parts of this are applicable to the private sector as well obviously of great interest to a bigger part of the Evergreen membership so working progress I guess is the answer to that but actively in progress there's a lot there I'll just add a statement there it's always good to look for case studies I'm expecting some of you to become case studies I am waiting for case studies become the examiners that's good that's the reason why we had 6-7 case studies here that's the question yeah I have my I share with you this two days of this experience of the line I was talking with G. Christy regarding the report sections which open court is introducing sector as well as petrochemical brokerage so I would love to see those progress as we take the time time and they will come up with the new version because we as an architect for work with a heterogeneous company is not only government government is one of the enterprises of enterprise okay I will link my description with the previous portion from the students panel also that he developed the framework he developed the women we guide delivery team we guide the whole organization he is specifically linked with the CIO CIO so it depends upon the chief if he is newly oriented he is running in private space it's not government I am talking and I was also hearing in the beginning of the day this is going bottom up approach why not talk down as my colleague asked I am not going to take initiative but as a government like the federal structure in India it is very difficult I think Palazzo knowing the experience of the equal living and second question is with the open group like 8 of the phases of work idiom model phases which are implementation governance and architecture change management so I was working with one of the client for implementation governance I found that stuff should be more less than I depart some more cases studies the more materials so I would like to request in the next version of TOGEP just try to take some feedback from our forum so that we can refer the TOGEP as one of the best framework because client asked how this is done but on that point there is exactly the direction that the architecture is moving in right now is to say we have to be very careful with TOGEP it is so widely used in yes it is tailored but effectively it is so widely used we can't do anything in the next version but disenfranchises that huge number of organizations and individuals who are using it but the direction that they are taking for the next version is to say is to look at it and say well there is probably a core TOGEP that is applicable just about anywhere but what the desire is and what the stated need from the marketplace is exactly what we say it is implementation guidance it is how do I do this where it is worked and are there specific industry examples here so to build a collection of case studies guides and other things that will be part of TOGEP they won't be part of the core normative standard as such but they will be part of the noble work that is TOGEP so that is the direction they are going in and as I said yesterday when I opened the forum produced I think one a month last year they published white papers and guides along those lines and it is not just about TOGEP it is it is how the other thing we get asked is how can we more clearly tie together how open group standards should be used could be used together I can make being not this example with TOGEP but also IT for IT I think in your past there was a white paper on how we might use some of the standards in a business transformation and I think for me that what I would like to do as it was described to me the need is customers go on a journey during their transformation and they have decision points along the way and they have to make a decision point and it would be really helpful to know which standards they should be considering and which might be useful to them and save them some pain at which point in their journey and that is the kind of thing we need to do with the members we can't do it ourselves but with the members particularly on the consultancy side where are those standards used at what point in time and how do they work together and ideally how do they map to other standards too because you don't pretend to really understand the organization in the world and we try not to have standards that are in conflict with how they play together so that is the direction we are taking now On that note we have a small observation to the previous question where the idea was that we came open to publish the best practices I think we are also sponsoring and supporting the general of enterprise architecture if these case studies or summary of case studies which are awarded here in a way directly can be published and people can be requested to subscribe generally you can consider that and you can consider that as a concept JEE get to know of enterprise architecture supported by open group well it is published by the association of enterprise architects but it is supported by open group so if we could take our case that wherever globally you award somebody a substance at least one base or two base can be published at least one base and that will be our forum so thank you to our panel very much