 And what's your name? My name is Sue Casson. And how do we spell your last name? K-A-S-S-I-N. OK. And how long have you lived here at the Wilson Zoo? I believe I've been here a few months. I don't have the record to date. I have found that prior to coming to the Wilson, I had tried to resolve my personal problems and career plans by attending a community care center in Burlington under the auspices of a local psychiatric health facility. And I found that what was happening was that there really existed nothing in the area of so-called mental health, where people would be encouraged to work to get onto the system. I found that the facility was overburdened with useless, inane, pointless rules and regulations that served no purpose but to keep people from getting out of their depression and into the economy and the workforce, which is what I'm trying to do while staying here at the Wilson. I'm very grateful for having come here, because I find that even though the amenities are somewhat lacking, which they are at the Wilson, I'm very grateful, nevertheless, to have the opportunity, a blessed golden opportunity and possibility to really try and take one step forward at a time, at least, in terms of having a place to stay while I look for the counseling, the career education, and these other things on my own, which hopefully will make a positive difference in my life. But I was not able to do this seeking the help of the recognized psychiatric mental health establishment here in Burlington. And I found that only by coming to a place like the Wilson Hotel, which has nothing to do with mental health officially and on the record, was the only way that I could begin to bridge my life and to try and get things together, not because I don't need help, but because the medical and other authorities that purported to be help were, in fact, part of the problem. Have you been down to the waterfront at all this summer? Rob, I've been to this building going on 13 years here, I came way back in 82. I've been here for 13 years, and I've been here for four years. I came here. Everybody said to me, up there's a carton regime that's going to hire me to take it. Frank, why don't you go on a vacation with payers? Now, this is way back, 82, 83, and more. I said, well, I'll take it over and I'll let you know. Now, I've been here going on 13 years, and the process I get away from this building is just from here, down to that coffee shop and back. I've probably, I've been waiting 13 years. It's true. How about what do you think of North Street? Has it changed a lot in the years you've been? Well, I've been on North Street since, oh, God, since 1950, when I was hanging around. Further in down there, there was all kinds of beard joints. There's still a lot, but there's still more in, but a lot of them have been closed since 1950, all the way up through North Street. Had them over here on this corner where this one is. One over here, Steerenstein, of course, back when it burned, but that was in 1950, I used to hang out in Steerenstein. That's way before it ever burned. And downtown Pearl Street, where the courthouse says, they had Bernardini's restaurant right across from Bogues, up this way, that parking lot is from Bogues. There was another beard joint. Then just above there, there was another beard joint, and just above there was a grocery store. So you think North Street's better, or has it gotten better in the years? You know where I'll tell you some. I've heard people say, frankly, the level of talent live on North Street. I've never lived there. I've never lived there. I've been on North Street since 1950. I hung around with a lot of ex-boxers, where I used to do a little bit of myself way back in the 50s. We all hung around here. There was no trouble at all. No trouble. I never had no trouble on this North Street. Then they'll tell, wow, I went, right, what are they going to do with that? Go to a big city or something. Then they can say that. I never had trouble on this street, of course not. And the property around here, like I say, has improved in that heck of a lot. Since the days that I moved up here, people realized that the property is worth a lot more money than they used to. So they paint and they fix it up. And it's a lot better than when I first moved up here. Because when I first moved up here, I bought this building pretty cheap, you know? And after a burn, I had insurance on it, just enough money to barely put it back together. But since I put it back together, I think the thing has tripled in value. Probably worth about 20,000 at least three times. When did that fire happen? Back about 1972, roughly around 1972. 71 or 72, I think it was in that area. And that was the one that returned this whole lot? The way I heard it from the grapevine, the way it gets around, they didn't know exactly who started it for a short length of time there. Maybe a year. But the way it got back to me was it was some guy that started the fire back in the paint store down the street here. There used to be a paint store next to this Cartridge Union. And Cartridge Union bought that land there from the estate there. And they got that driveway there now, you know? Right. And the thing was, this is about 1972. And, you know, they rebuilt the Cartridge Union after, I guess it was me first, then Rainey started and then the Cartridge Union started. And they rebuilt the whole area up here again, you know? I know, we will, we'll get to that. He gets boring looking at us, that's what he's saying. He can only look at him. I know, he does that very nicely, but why don't you... I mean, if you want to film them for a while, okay, I'll stop, you know? But he gets his name in the free press, it's all over the guy. That's right, now he is in the door of the Seaco. He thinks it's a great artist. What kinds of press? It's with the camera on this guy, yeah. I'm telling you. That's a half, I didn't film that all night. Maybe we're trying to make this man into a household word. We have people that know who he is.