 You don't know the language. I'm not trying to be offensive. It doesn't matter I don't need to know the language to know what the word sales says Brandon Tatum brother I'm almost embarrassed for you. Hey, welcome back smart Christians My name is Corey Minor and if you haven't done so already Please feel free to hit the subscribe button as well as the little bell notification That way you'll be notified in the future. Also, please remember to hit the like button that way you too Will kind of push this video out if you're ever confronted by someone or something That shows you that you just simply don't know something or you just Misunderstood and they can kind of enlighten you a little bit It would do you well to listen and that's been what's happening lately Although the brother is not really listening Brandon Tatum has talked about and issued these Requests for people to debate him although he's not really taking on a lot of a lot of comers However, he found a taker. I tried to Initiate contact to debate him, but he found a taker who? Took him to school basically and his pride is not allowing him to see where he's wrong He would rather win the argument or at least try to save face Then come to the realization of what the Bible actually says So I want to play you a little bit of this clip to see the interaction and to show you one How pride can kind of get in the way of you seeing things But also try to explain to anyone particularly Brandon who still doesn't quite understand What the Bible is trying to convey as it pertains to John one-on-one using the Greek is because you made the comment that because Sayos is Articular in the second clause and not articular in the second clause therefore it's indefinite rather than definite well, there's the the definite article of Ho in front of chaos That's right in the first hand in in the third clause It says Kai Phaos ain Halla goss and in that case Phaos is a pre-verbal predicate nominative which means not a god But is referring to what the word is by nature Yeah, you're wrong because Pointed out okay saying scholars scholars scholars, but you couldn't give me one. I don't know their names Yeah, if you don't know their names, here's my point There's only one person in the conversation who does know Greek and so if you're going to contradict that you simply have to Bring a scholar you haven't listen to what it says in the third in the third verse It goes on to say all things became through him D out to egg and that's all that is explicitly masculine It's referring to a person not an impersonal thing in masculine does not says he was in the world It says he was in the world and the world was made through him But the world did not recognize him clearly. It's referring to a person in verse 12 It says to all who received him to them He gave the right to be called the children of God to those you believe in his name That's the translation that I heard debated and it that makes more sense than trying to say Jesus John is actually talking about Jesus, but he never used the word Jesus He should have used the word Jesus if but why he'd like to use the word Jesus good Okay, so you said it makes a lot more sense, but only if you don't know Greek So he assessed some things that are a little bit technical Some things that maybe we don't talk about or the verbers that we don't use Often in just regular conversations throughout the day and unless you're an English teacher or unless you've been studying Greek Some of this conversation might even go over your head. So what I want to do is I don't want to spend too much time on Brandon But I do want to kind of touch on what he was saying in the Greek to kind of make this a little bit clear to those who may not be able to read Greek and so it covers John one one Where it says in the beginning was the word the word was with God and the word was God now Some may take that to mean at least the Jehovah's Witnesses do would take that to mean that the word was a God Brandon doesn't ascribe to the Jehovah's Witness faith, but he's leaning in that direction So let's look at this verse and let's see if we can kind of understand a little bit clearly What's being said in the Greek and how it can make sense in the English? The Greek says in our gay and halagos Kai halagos and prostantheon Kafeis and halagos There's a couple of things that need to be touched on before we go into it and that is what some of these words that were said by the gentleman what they mean and How important they are so let's look at these There are four things you need to be mindful of when looking at this passage as it pertains to the Greek What's called the nominative the predicate nominative the articular and the anarthras? What the nominative is is the case ending of a noun whose primary function is basically to indicate what the subject of The sentence is now it's really important to understand in Greek Word order is not as important as it is in English Oftentimes you'll see the words kind of mixed around a little bit, but it doesn't change the meaning of the sentence There are times where the word order is used or changed to kind of show Emphasis and that's something that we're going to actually touch on in this verse as well Now the predicate nominative is basically the same approximately the same as the subject It is joined by an equative verb such as is was are And what it does is it normally describes a category that the subject belongs to So if I were to say Jesus is Lord. Well If Lord is the predicate nominative then it's describing what Jesus is the category that Jesus belongs to Then you have what's called the articular All that is is just a word or a noun that is preceded by the definite article the On the flip side you have what's called something that's on Arthurus Which means it's just simply not preceded by the definite article with those definitions in mind Let's go ahead and look at the first clause of the first stanza of John 1 1 Anarchy and halagas in the beginning was the word Now if you notice the halagas is the nominative How do we know well because The ha right before lagas is what's called the definite article in Greek there are 24 ways to say the You've got the nominative genitive The accusative and the data in the singular and you have those same forms in the plural but those are the masculine forms then you have the Feminine form of each as well as the neuter form So there's 24 different ways to say the which kind of which kind of helps indicate who and what you're talking about and So in this first stanza you see the halagas being identified as the nominative Then in the second stands we have chi halagas and prostantheon, which is and the word was with God You'll notice I have the the there because there is a definite article Before a faeus or before theon indicating the deftedness of the word God So and the word was with the God. We don't say the God because You don't say you don't you don't in English use the the before a proper noun So the same holds true in the in this particular stanza And so now we get to the third stanza of a third clause Where a lot of the controversy comes in but the Greek settles it Chi faeus and halagas, which is translated and the word was God But I want you to notice something kind of interesting if we were to Render it word for word it would say and God was the word because the order says chi and Faeus God ain't was halagas the word But your English version does does not say and God was the word rather it says and the word was God Well, there's a there's a legitimate reason for why that's done But before we go to it I want to focus on some of the definitions that are present there So we'll know what we're working with chi faeus and halagas notice what the nominive is We've already established that the nominive is Halagas the word it is articular you see the Ha, which is the word of the you see that pointed out, but you also see how faeus is the predicate nominative Faeus is a northerist, which means it doesn't have the definite article there now Don't be confused by the fact that it doesn't have a definite article there Just think that it ought to be translated as a God The reason is because in Greek there is no indefinite article, but there is no a a Dog a cat you would just simply leave the definite article off But in this case the definite articles is off, but we would still translate it as the God or God And we'll get to the reason why in just a second But just want you to pay attention as to which parts of speech are Indicated here again the halagas the nominative The word is the subject of the entire of a sentence In the beginning was the word so the word is a subject God is the predicate nominative again the predicate nominative describes the category to which the subject belongs to And so the question becomes now in the in the third stands of the third clause Why would God in the Greek be pushed towards the front? Why why would that happen in Greek? You would use word order for a sentence Oftentimes to give an emphasis on something so in this case the position of Phaeos adds emphasis on the essence of the nominative or the subject in other words Phaeon or Phaeos God is emphasized emphasizes what the word is in other words Phaeos Emphasizes what the word is the word is God in the video you'll notice him talking about a pre-verbal predicate nominative All that simply is is just using the definition that we have already Pre-verbal just means is before it precedes a verb and so there's a rule in Greek that that kind of Governs how we handle this it's called cold wills construction And it talks about how you want to identify the predicate nominative and the nominative and so How this applies here is going back to the text that Phaeos is in the predicate nominative It is an arthurus and comes before the verb so therefore cold wills construction comes in So because of the rule and because of the construction we know that the word Phaeos is Emphasizing what the subject is what category it belongs to in this case the word So the word belongs to the category of God or as we would say the word was or Is God and that's also verified as we read further on in John 1 But I want to point you to something else that's kind of interesting that would show Someone's inconsistency if they want to render this as a God and we're just going to use John 1 1 again Anarchy in halagas, Kai halagas and prostum Phaeon, Kai Phaeos and halagas Notice there are four definite articles presented Halagas the first portion Kai halagas there it is again Tan Phaeon well the tan represents a definite article and then at the end also you see halagas again So there's four definite articles present At the end you'll see an arthurus Now that is Kai Phaeos which is arthurus because there is no definite article But something else should grab your attention Look again at the very beginning it says an archaic which is in the beginning But this now but this now is an arthurus meaning there is no definite article before this So why doesn't Brandon Tatum or anyone else who doesn't believe that this verse is teaching the Trinity? Why wouldn't they render in a beginning? Because that would make sense then since there is no definite article and following his logic and his reasoning That there should that it should be in a beginning But we all as as well as he would render it as in the beginning Because this follows the same rule that we're talking about and so the problem is this When you have a theology that you want to hold fast to You'll ignore someone attempting to show you how the language is saying otherwise and again No matter where you were taught or or what denomination you have or what theology you hold to you Don't interpret the Greek in light of your theology. You don't interpret the Greek in light of English It's the opposite you interpret the English or even your theology or doctrine in light of what the Greek says The problem that you're going to have is if you interpret something a particular way you have to remain consistent And you can't interpret this to mean that it's not God because what happens is in this same passage as you go down You'll run you'll find yourself Contradicting yourself because of this the example of rk is one where you interpret where you interpret as The beginning Then you also find out where you see in verse four You'll see Parateo which is from God But you don't say from a god. I'm sorry. That was in verse six, but in verse four You'll see the word zoe which is life. You don't say a life Also with the word john john is also an arthurist And you don't interpret and you don't interpret it as a john you interpret as john the john And so you lose consistency in following brandon's logic Also, there's over 280 times in the new testament where theos Does not have the definite article in front of it and in these cases Consistency matters the language matters The problem is this though Pride can be an awful thing in one portion of the video He's having to explain to him Something in greek and brandon's only answer is no no No And I can relate because i've had people on even on this channel who would leave comments and you try to explain it to them in the greek And their response is no no no, you're wrong and they would try to point to a different passage What we're we're dealing with this particular text the text matters and so we'll get to the other passage later And so if the passage is being laid out in greek Your comments of no or your theology or your doctrine or whatever it is Does not take precedence over the word of god. Amen. And so Pride ends up causing folks to see things in an inconsistent and wrong-headed fashion About 1978 79 I got into a fight With a guy named pula. First of all, you don't want to fight a guy named pula a guy with a prison name He's in third grade But the fight was initiated over some girl who had these little balls on the side of her head It was a a whole princess lair thing for me But anyway, I'm trying to say face and show how tough I was And so I'm fighting pula and pula picks me up spins me around and throws me into bushes I'm not having that. I didn't like that. And so what did I do? I get up and go back after pula now. He just threw me in the bushes with ease I might add and so what does pula do again picks me up spins me around throws me in the bushes again Something clicked that time. Okay. I'm outmatched. I'm fighting a losing battle I better get something about myself. I better either get a little stronger Get some wits about myself and not fight pula at least not now or at least not by myself The same thing holds true When someone in this case is trying to show brandon or anyone else what the languages are saying You'll hear me say this over and over again. How important the languages are and so in this case You've seen how just the greek verifies who god is and of course even the english obviously Because if you read down further, it's going to tell you that this word Became flesh and dwelt among us and we beheld him and his glory as the son of god And so holding to doctrine Ignoring what the scriptures say Especially if you can find out what they say in the greek is just foolishness And so what does the bible say about a person who despises wisdom and instruction? I don't I don't listen to doctrine and other stuff not dealing with a rookie man