 welcome and machete maidens that's another one machete maidens you joined you saw dear zachery right conversation yes i was very depressed and angry and i was just wonder whatever the provincial court yeah that's probably one of the best documentaries ever seen very depressing yeah it is very depressing it only works if you're in a really upbeat mood and you have enough emotional buffer it is really emotional the sad thing is that he i was angry at the end of the yeah i was very angry why no i know people not in the exact situation that they were in but in the same sort of abusive situation that uh... uh... what was sort of like power struggles type stuff we were actually going through something with one of my one of my sister-in-law with that and i was like oh my gosh yeah you just gotta be careful around that because it was the bad news man but i recommend it i recommend it stop my video or hide my video and audio i have control excellent we are almost ready to begin shannon are you activated ready len are you prepared i am ready real quick start before you know that's right that was part of uh... part of uh... movies thing in college and everything was supposed to be really high-tech and they had built a uh... the one guy was supposed to be an android and they put a uh... a cd player on his chest that opened and he put a microchip onto it and then he closed it and that was how he was feeding himself pretty inventive it was even back then that was nineteen ninety one i knew that was like way like oh come on that's that's stupid that's a cd player with a microchip everybody knows what it is all right uh... let's get this party started we're gonna talk about some tv magic why mister robot doesn't have to use cd players on people's chest to make a convincing hacker show uh... here we go daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash support this is the daily tech news for friday july fifteenth twenty sixteen i'm tom merit joining me today shannon morse from hack five is in the house good to have you back shannon good to be back mister tom merit we are going to talk about mister robot a little bit later in the show uh... and how not only mister robot uh... although they are the best example but tv shows and movies are are getting the hacking a little better than they used to back in the day they are i can't wait to talk about this also joining us today len peralta uh... will be into illustrate the show we've given you television we've got a pokemon story we actually gave you things you can draw a land hey you know what i'm up for any challenge but uh... i will i i sense a pretty good mashup coming up here so that's what today uh... well let's uh... get started uh... quick note before the top stories a bug was opened petitioning google to fix youtube to allow downloading of videos marked as creative commons now rather than engaging over the issue google just marked the bug won't fix without comment i've replied asking them to reconsider and i hope some of you will to the bug can be found at bit dot l y slash why t please or you get the link in our show notes and now the top stories at build twenty fifteen remember way back at build twenty fifteen microsoft windows and devices chief terry mierson claimed windows ten adoption would hit one billion devices by mid twenty eighteen well microsoft's role in that claim back a little bit now microsoft's spokesperson told zd nets marry joe foley after ed bot noted a little bit of a backpedal in a blog post uh... microsoft saying due to the focusing of our phone hardware business it will take longer than f y eighteen for us to reach our goal of a billion monthly active devices uh... if i could translate that for you uh... we thought we'd sell a lot more phones but we're kind of refocusing a k a getting out of the phone business not entirely getting out of the phone business but they're definitely pairing it down so uh... that changes the calculations i'm not surprised at all with the slow rollout at all i can't when they say all we wanted to hit one billion i was just like uh-uh it's not gonna happen if windows phone had taken off and even got like ten percent of the market worldwide which was not unthinkable a couple years ago was doing very well in europe then i can see where maybe they would but yeah yeah it's going the other way for them i definitely switch to linux because there are still things in windows 10 that don't work uh... for example my screen-shotting software that i use for my job it doesn't work but linux already had an alternative built in so it was much easier for me to just switch to linux as an operating system as opposed to operating windows 10 print screen not working for you in windows 10 come on well that would work but it doesn't give me all the you know excellent options that you're in as well as recording it's a sleek implementation of screen shots i get that it doesn't do recordings though it doesn't do video no no i hear you i hear you uh yeah so so i don't a lot of people are trying to make hay out of this and say ah microsoft is doomed again as people will this doesn't mean that windows 10 is doomed windows 10 uptake is actually very good it just means that that billion claim is not going to be hit and then they're wisely backpedaling out of that before 2018 comes around i think i'll add windows 10 to like my home pc where i do a lot of my gaming but i'm gonna wait until i know that all the software i use is actually compatible i have plenty of people who have had problems not only with software compatibility but with even the installation upgrade a couple of friends uh joey image for anika belmont have had to had to roll back to windows 7 absolutely i have been lucky enough though on three machines now well one one was this machine that came with it installed but on two machines that i upgraded i've had no considerable issues beyond what you normally have with an operating system upgrade which is always a little bit of you know getting used to it lucky yeah so knock on wood survey monkey reports pokemon go has retention rates double the industry average for casual games they say seven out of ten people who download the game for the first time return to play it again the next day compared to an average that's three out of ten people doing that for most games so most people download a game and never go back to it uh seventy percent ish of pokemon go players continue to play the game the next day more people are using the google maps implementation in pokemon go that are actually using google maps right now uh the average revenue per daily active user is 25 cents that's twice the average of casual games for an estimated 1.6 million dollars per day italy spain and portugal received access to the game friday and niantic is now saying they hope to roll out to 200 countries worldwide relatively soon is the quote uh even team mobiles giving away a year of pokemon go data uh as part of the of their uncarrier program in order in other words if you are a team mobile subscriber and on tuesday you do their little tuesday app thing you can get a credit for a year's worth of pokemon go data which is a lot of steps to go to for something that doesn't really use that much data but still like everybody's trying to get in on the bandwagon yeah they are but it really does like okay so i'm an old school pokemon like addict since i was maybe 14 this speaks volumes about the pokemon brand just its ability to make addictive games as long as they had and people are still in love with that brand as much as they were when we were kids i mean you have the the card game the gameboy games and now pokemon go and you also had anime and movies and everything like that i actually looked up a few numbers because i was curious if this was just a one-off fad or if it was something similar to their previous games so with their other ones as of march 2014 260 million games have been distributed worldwide there's 21.5 billion cards sold worldwide just to give you an idea and then there's 800 plus episodes of the anime which i may or may have not have watched all of them i'm sure you have i'm fairly confident that somehow i'm just still 10 years old i don't understand that at all well and and i think we're both sides of the equation here because i did not grow up with pokemon pokemon was for my younger brother but i still tried this game out and i'm still playing it like it definitely has the nostalgia grab which gets it up into the consciousness and then that pulls in people like me like well what's all the hubbub about yeah and it's a it's a good game when it works i think the craziest thing about this is that i didn't have a lot of server issues yesterday but all week i was having issues where it would freeze and i'd have to log in again and then they had that permissions fiasco where they were granting full permissions and then they had to roll that back and thankfully that's fixed even with all of those launch problems it's still just steamrolling it's amazing yeah i'm i'm the same way where i i log into it and i've had a lot of those server issues but i'm finding even with like my hairdresser who is not a gamer by any march and whatsoever even she's interested in downloading the gaming seeing what all this fat is about i think a lot of it is building on top of like the mentality that humans have of oh this this is the popular thing right now so i need to download this but i don't see pokemon go lasting for a huge majority for more than maybe a few months yeah after that time i see a lot of the user base dropping off because people are probably going to get bore they're going to see these gems with like huge point statuses for other users and they're going to think oh well there's no way i can get more points at trading at that gym so i might not i might as well just not play at all so i'm i'm assuming that there's going to be a lot of drop-off but it's probably going to take a little bit of time my wife aileen has been playing a lot and like we went out and got some ramen yesterday and usually it'd be like let's go home after we're done eaten she's like let's walk around the neighborhood yeah go to pokey stops and uh we even in the ramen restaurant we were near a pokey stop we we saw people in the window we were sitting outside in front we saw people in the window playing it everybody is playing it yeah i tell you what as soon as aileen is not playing it anymore i will i will let folks know and that will be the bell weather of like okay it's now down to the hardcore users again my neighborhood police station just released an announcement about pokemon go so i i haven't gotten a chance to read it yet but i'm very interested to see what they have to say about it but yeah let me know when a lean aileen starts playing look both ways before you cross the street people uh bit torrent launched its bit torrent now streaming app on ios and apple tv friday uh this is bit torrent now different than bit torrent live in fact a couple people uh wrote in to either ask or clarify bit torrent news which justin robert young will be working for is part of bit torrent live that's an app you can get on apple tv right now and uh mostly it shows twit frankly at the moment but it shows live video from its partners bit torrent now is a different thing bit torrent now is a system that's kind of like soundcloud or youtube anybody can upload their creations to it so the app which launched on android back in june uh will allow you to upload music or video to the service and then it uses peer to peer to distribute the works they've been relying on some direct downloads on the android version but they're saying now it's going to go back to using the bit torrent protocol creators can set any price that can be free they can make your you can make your stuff available for free or you can charge for it uh you can even have a subscription where people subscribe to your channel and then they get your works uh you get to keep the majority of the proceeds although i haven't found out a direct percentage the onion super deluxe and i heart comics are among the creators using it at launch so it's kind of a it's a store it's uh it saves you on bandwidth and it allows you to monetize it if you want yeah it's it's kind of nice for creators because they give you 70% of the ad revenue in the 90% of direct sales if you choose to make your stuff profitable in the app i can see this as a way that is very very good for content creators to actually be profitable be a good investment for them as well to upload their stuff to bit torrent now but i am curious because they are allowing free content as well as paid content if that is going to confuse the user base yeah vimeo does that where there's some things on vimeo that you have to pay for or subscribe to uh and they seem to be able to navigate it okay so it's at least possible uh but yeah it'll be interesting to see how that how they navigate that and silverblades asking the obvious question like what about copyright what's the copyright policy gonna be also something soundcloud and youtube have to deal with but of course youtube deals with it in a way that as we have known is is very clunky so yes i'm curious especially with the name bit torrent and all of the that baggage that it carries with it what kind of copyright policy they'll have i i did peek around really or briefly just to see what it was like to upload bundles uh bundles are what you call your like like daily tech news show could be a bundle that you could subscribe to uh and and it seems pretty straightforward how to upload stuff so cool yeah i'm just looking for it to come to the web like i'm yeah it's just applications right now right yeah hmm uh ford motor company is among a group of investors in a 3d mapping company called civil maps the company makes software that converts data gathered by car sensors so by the cameras by the lidar sensors etc into maps that can be used for autonomous driving ai will then process that incoming data and choose just the essential bits so that you've got it compressed down to the parts that are needed and transmit that by cellular data in real time that way other cars can take advantage of what each car is learning about its environment ceo sravan puttagunta says that the process can let vehicles drive like humans do so in other words they can identify on-road and off-road features even when they might be missing deteriorated or hidden from view so we've talked a lot when we've talked about tesla autopilot about the fact that if there are no lane markers it has a hard time this is a type of software that's saying we don't care about lane markers we want to actually map the world around the car so that it can tell where the road ends whether it's marked or not i love this i think it builds very much in the same genre of the as that tesla autopilot thing because it's like there's going to be a huge divide between people saying is this a good thing or is it a bad thing personally i think it's great that they're putting money towards something that would hopefully potentially help people in the future for example my car currently has this thing called parking assist and it is a Ford car where it will parallel park itself but i still have control over the gas and it's able to tell how far of a distance is between the first car and the or the front car and the back car so that it's it's able to calculate if it's going to be able to fit in that spot and if it doesn't it just passes it up it says don't park here you know you can't park there um i would love to know if this product is going to be able to tell like if there's a stop sign that's covered by low-hanging tree branches or if there's a fallen over sign that gives you directions and things like that because those are the kind of things that humans miss a lot we are our perception is you know straight on on the street we're looking for things on the street sometimes we miss like low-hanging branches that are covering a stop sign i know i have and that could cause an accident yeah i i i'd like to know how good this thing is right can it do that because that would be amazing the idea is that say if a stop sign does fall over this would be the kind of system that would be able to catch that because the first car to come to that stop the the 3d map would say well hold on there's supposed to be a stop sign there let's update the map to say like stop sign supposed to be there but it's missing right right and then the the whole plan is that it shares that with every car that uses the civil maps system and updates right away so you don't have this problem with having to keep the map updated all the way or or if the tree branches are hanging down i mean i could see a world where it actually could update civil authorities and say hey you got a bunch of tree branches in front of the stop sign maybe you go out oh my gosh that would be perfect hey there's roadkill on the road like things like that i would like to know about these things before they happen in real life yeah instead of just having ways say object reported in road ahead right that's the best we have so far uh fis and payment alliance international announced a partnership to allow touch id to be used to withdraw money from atms at more than 70 000 locations in the united states fis is a company that handles the atms that aren't run by banks so usually the ones you see in bars convenience stores places like that uh fis cardless cash is their program that uses a qr code and an iphone app to conduct the transaction so the qr code appears on the atm scan it with your iphone app and they'll they'll be using touch id to verify you you are the person who's supposed to have that phone bloomberg has previously reported that payment alliance international will start rolling out the system in august or september with the goal of having 25 000 machines in the u.s by the end of 2017 uh and this is not the first cardless system in the united states bank of america supports apple pay already at its atms wells fargo says it will support apple pay by the end of the year chase is upgrading its atms for cardless technology support by the end of the year as well so here in the united states anyway and within the next couple years you should be able to avoid atm skimmers yeah if you have an apple phone so it sounds like you we have apple pay on one hand and then we have the touch id ability that technology built into atms as well i'm curious if any of these atms are going to use both of those products in one instead of having you download a third party app and then have to scan a qr code and then go through the touch id process as opposed to just using apple pay because i feel like apple pay would be a lot quicker for somebody as opposed to you know dealing with qr codes and scanning a third party app yeah there's no reason the fis and payment alliance international system couldn't use an android phone it's a qr code so it's just coming up with a reasonable way to verify you're the phone owner even though you don't have touch id whereas bank of america is using apple pay so you've got to have an apple phone for that i have an android phone right now and my uh my bank account it allows me to verify my identification whenever i log in on my phone with my fingerprint so i know that they have that ability through android phones i would just really like to see it implemented with more than just touch id like come on guys our android users really want this too um i do worry a little bit about multiple points failure failure because like how many app permissions is the application going to have um how's it going to be connected i'm assuming like it's the only thing that can read that qr code but you know what else is it going to have access to so i don't know i worry a lot about new technology when it comes to banking and atm's because i used to work for payment processors so i find it really fascinating how they do that security especially when you know customers are going to be the ones that first hand have to deal with this process and have to deal with that security yeah the qr code one is a little bit clunky you have to make sure nobody else grabs that qr code while you're doing it but even if they did that's why you have the fingerprint identification on the other end right is to make sure that well even if you somebody else grabs the qr code we only it only should work for that person and we can verify that using touch id or fingerprint centers are on my nexus 5x or whatever exactly so you do have that two factor authentication but i i want to know more about how the data is processed once it gets to your phone yeah uh and what those apps what what those apps do what if you're using a bank app that's fine when you're using fis not using your bank app you're using somebody else's name so there you go the australian center for field robotics at the university of sydney has developed swag bot which obviously will give you gold chains and some cool shirt no it's actually for herding cattle i don't know why they call it swag bot maybe australian is going to explain it to me it can navigate ditches and swamps and even pull trailers temperature and motion sensors are being tested so that it could identify animals so it's going to put border collies out of work and shepherd dogs oh they're taking our jobs tom they're taking our jobs my dog Sawyer was not very excited to hear about this story because he has dreams of herding sheep someday maybe even in australia i'm excited about it even though it looks super creepy it all these robots that can walk around outside like the big dog robot looks super creepy but yeah i we're a ways away from all cattle herders using these and replacing dogs with them but but at the same time you know it's it's pretty interesting to see that this can be done in the field now you actually have this robot herding sheep or herding cattle i guess no i don't think they stated clearly in the article if this is remotely controlled or if it's fully autonomous like there's people in the background and one of the the views on the video that they show yeah where there are people standing around watching it but i'm not sure if they're remotely controlling it or if it's just guiding itself throughout the terrain i think it's a combination at least that was my understanding from reading it is it could do some things on its own but you know it's like uh self-driving vehicles right now yeah autopilot maybe keep your hand on the wheel of the herding dog robot it's robot assisted herding by the way roger chang our producer points out that a swag man is an old australian and new zealand term describing an underclass of transient temporary workers also used in the australian song waltzing matilda so there you go oh hence the swag bot learn something swag bots will be just roaming the outback i would assume looking for jobs herding cattle uh oh and fine and real quickly netflix announced something called flix tape uh which lets you share playlists of netflix shows with other people so you can go in it and create a list of shows that are available on netflix tv shows and movies and then you can share them on twitter and facebook and then other people can click on those and then they can watch as long as they have a netflix account and this is free too it's free for you to send a bunch of links to someone so that they can watch more netflix totally free i mean they're trying to go with the mix tape idea but it's not music and it's also just getting people to watch more netflix things i don't mean to poo poo it too much it's a well done interface it's kind of fun i created one cute it gives you a way to share what you're interested in with your friends i actually have have an idea for this because my friend and i are always comparing notes about what we're watching on netflix there you go just last night i told her about one of the shows that i was watching this crazy weird show about selen which is called selen which it's weird well and she wanted me to give her a listing of like everything that i watched so this would be helpful in that that consideration there you go go use flix tape and you can share with netflix having so many originals now they're coming all the time there's a new one coming out this weekend about it's kind of an 80s horror tribute uh or spielbergie tribute i i think it is going to become a thing where you don't just watch the new netflix show because it's house of cards you watch a new netflix show because someone recommended it to you because there's too many to keep track of yep hey thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com in there today tg stellar caesar cow another j martin motang sonic death taco uh and more go in there oh and c bil what am i missing and c bill ansy bill i don't know uh send send your stuff in get in there and submit it and vote on it daily tech news show dot reddit dot com and that is a look at the top stories uh so kim vetter at wired dot com has a great write up on mr robot and all of the things they do to get the hacking right the the series premiered this week and they do a lot uh they have someone named core adana who used to work as a security analyst and forensics matter uh manager for toyota motor sales as the head of a team that simply works on getting all the tech right uh on that team is mark rogers head of infosec at cloud flare uh ryan kazan kian a chief security architect at taniem andrew mcgregor and michael basel former fbi agents uh and they go through a lot in fact mark rogers from cloud flare says that he performs all the hacks that they want him to do before he gives them to the show uh and it's it's just impressive the hoops they go through and how sam s mail the creator of the show is strict about like i don't want any mistakes if i see people on twitter pointing out mistakes i want to know why they happened like he really wants to get this stuff right shannon yeah he absolutely does and that's something that i really have to give mr robot and the producers and creators and the security researchers a lot of credit for because you don't see a lot of that yet and i feel like mr robot is really introducing a new aspect to hollywood and to you know tv shows in general where it's it's introducing the idea that hacker hackers and hacking is not you know something that you do in your mom's basement is it's actually something that can be very exciting and very interesting if you perceive it and if you show it on your show or movie in the correct light uh when you have these correct hacking exploits i think it also brings a lot of security mindedness to uh the public in general because they look at it and they're like oh is this real and i'm sure a lot of people think it's fake but if they do a little bit of research yeah they find out that it absolutely is real yeah the temptation in the 90s was well we just need to make it look cool yeah and i think people's familiarity with computers is more than it was back then right and certainly the headlines are about hacks so actually showing real terminal command line codes looks pretty cool to people these days uh you've actually like had conversations with production teams about this sort of thing i have i've gotten to chat with their security researchers a little bit about our tools uh specifically the usb rubber ducky which was seen in the first season uh where they they just scattered a bunch of usb flash drives in a parking lot and then one of them caught picks one up sorry spoilers guys caught picks one up and brings it in plugs it in turns out it's it's mower or something of that form and what they did in that scene was completely correct it was an actual script that you can run on a usb rubber ducky so for me watching the show like it brings me a lot of pride and joy to see them actually introducing real life technical hacker aspects to a much wider audience i'm hoping that other people will watch the show you know see a flash drive on the ground and not actually pick it up because it's i really hope that they see this and think oh i need to consider my security and privacy as opposed to getting a free flash drive i also recently had a twitter follower of mine send me a screenshot of a deleted scene in which a wi-fi pineapple was in so apparently they deleted a scene but uh our wi-fi pineapple is right there sitting on the desk so i don't know what's going to happen in season two i don't have any insider sight or knowledge as far as what's happening in that one but given the conversations that i have had i'm expecting a lot out of season two yeah so far so good uh i i guess the the big thing that i noticed and a lot of people noticed was in the ransomware code that they implement in episode one uh you see the social engineering tool and you see the line hack the gibson and remember hugs are worth more than handshakes so yeah that's from uh uh yeah sc t of course the social engineering tool and uh one of my good friends jason street who does a whole lot of talks at conventions but he's also known as this big like friendly bear so he comes around and hugs everybody and gives everybody these super awkward hugs at the conventions so it's an actual piece of hacker culture because you know a lot of people know this guy jason and a lot of people go up to him at conventions specifically so that they can get an awkward hug from him and they're not super awkward if you specifically want an awkward hug yeah you can you can you can request that's good yeah i've asked him for selfies of us doing awkward hugs now one of the other things uh so so they occasionally get something wrong here and there but they try like i said they try very hard not to but one of the things that i didn't realize is they aren't actually using command line and that's you know i mean part of that is understandable if you really think about it the one thing that is still hollywood about this is the amount of time they spend showing you a hack they're not going to spend show you the hours spent compiling code and all of that they want to show something quick so it's interesting how they do that yeah so what they do in this show is uh they one of the security researchers will actually go through the entire penetration testing or the entire hack they will record what's on the screen they'll record their keystrokes and everything about it and then send it to the uh the producers or the animators so what the animators will do is create a flash animation of the script happening on a computer screen so when the actor goes up and does everything on camera they can type in whenever they want onto a keyboard and it will show the actual hack on screen even though it's just like a flash animation um i'm not surprised about this too i think it's really funny because this this was very new to me seeing like flash animations of of some of them but they get the timing very good so usually the timing is correct on these and if i was not there and if i was having to deal with memorizing lines every week and having to deal with like understanding where i needed to be on set and stuff like that like that's a lot of work um even just from like my history with theater it's it's a lot of work being on stage and having to memorize so much so if you don't understand the theory behind the hack and why you're typing specific things into your keyboard it's no surprise to me that they're not teaching the actors exactly what to type into the keyboard in the first place because if it was realistic you'd see people typing in man quite a bit right yeah you would what is that switch on that command again do i have it right uh so yeah it's really cool that these flash animations are they try to time them right but they make them forgiving so that even if the actor doesn't type the command right or they don't even have to type anything right uh if it's not actually on camera at that moment it'll still proceed with the program and look like it's running from a distance right well but like even so they've still done a few things incorrectly in season one for example i believe there was a bluetooth keyboard hack where they were trying to like duplicate a bluetooth keyboard or something like that and they got it incorrect because the keyboard they were using wasn't actually bluetooth so like hackers will notice these things in these tv shows and we'll call them out for it uh so for me like i watch this show and anytime i see like an ip address or anytime i see a specific piece of hardware i'm like does that really work and i'll i'll look it up on the internet and find out if it actually works or not at this season they're going to extra efforts to make sure that they do work uh most of the ip addresses shown if they're not actual ip addresses for something like local host or whatever they they will go to a place related to the show in fact uh i found a list out there on hacker news today that somebody had put out of all of the url's and ip addresses in mr robot and where they go oh that's awesome you need to send me that yeah i'll dig that back up but yeah so so they've got um what do they have they have elliot's first web page apparently that he made back in the 90s is available at one place city's web page yeah of course the the e-corp web pages and everything right so yeah this it's it's really fun and it's really cool and that you actually get to share your expertise you guys at hack five and and and all these hackers you know and legends of of security like mark rogers are working on this to make sure that it's good that it's right it's so interesting and it's it's it brings me so much like happiness to see this happening online and even to see the marketing getting on it with like you said the ip addresses i even know uh for example and you know take this with a grain of salt but they don't go after people who torrent the show because they want you to torrent it because it's a part of you know being that background hacker it's a part of like doing those things that might or might not be a good thing to do but apparently they don't go after people that weren't the show so it really shows that they're they're trying to bring in the real life security professionals the people that are interested in this and and make it as real life as they can you'll see that there is an image of a jester on the ransomware in episode one and that is apparently actually a shout out to the hacker the jester who has part of anonymous wick leaks and yeah right uh and is a fan of the show apparently so that's awesome according to has been uh let's get to our pick of the day tyson says i found this while looking for info security board games the game is called doxt spelled d zero x 3d and is based on the mechanics of forbidden island you play the roles of a hacking team recovering your data before they dox you has some good terminology and vocabulary for teaching other staff or friends a little bit about security without the deep dive gameplay is co-op everyone wins or loses together it's about 30 to 60 minutes per game time dox can be found at the game crafter dot com and we'll have the full links in the show notes at daily tech news show dot com board game about info sec come on i like it i think that's really cool that's pretty cool thank you uh tyson for sending along you can send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com and you can find more picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks one of my picks every week for a uk perspective on the news is nate langson's text message and nate is here to tell us what's coming out this week on the show thanks tom this sunday on text message you can look forward to hearing a dramatic reading of a new harry potter chapter written by an ai that was fed the first four rolling wizard novels to learn the characters read by me it's going to be hilarious and hopefully we'll speak to the guy who built the ai as well plus britain's kind of in shock uh with our political systems ability to surprise and terrify so we're gonna look at what that means for europe and maybe you guys in the us too also did i mentioned dramatic reading that's text message this weekend which you can find by going to tech podcast dot uk tom back to you my friend thank you nate uh i can't wait to hear the harry potter reading i've i've taken a look at the medium post that has the transcript of what the ai came up with sounds amazing it's hilariously unintelligible and yet totally recognizable as harry potter um is this one of the things where you like you have to be a fan to understand what the heck's going on oh no uh not at all all you need to know is a few character names and it will entertain you greatly because it's just it's it's ai it's not quite gibberish gotta listen to text message to hear it uh buckeye fitzy aka dave aka the legal geek corresponded from current geek uh took up our request to ask about the computer fraud and abuse act he said this case is about an assistant sharing her password with former employees to grant them access to confidential information but it was also decided in the completely opposite way four years ago by the same ninth circuit when they considered the actions of those same persons before this time when they had access and before they quit to go to the new company they were feeding the information to a small change in facts caused a total flip and result this inconsistency as well as multiple circuit courts beyond the ninth circuit taking both the broad interpretation view and the narrow interpretation view means that the law is ripe for supreme court clarification with so many other potential laws like contract tort trade secret laws being available to stop smaller breaches like for instance netflix password sharing and the original intent being to stop hacking with the computer fraud and abuse act it seems highly likely that the eventual solution of the judiciary will be a narrow interpretation of this law just takes time for the judiciary to work out potential kinks when congress tries to keep laws up to date with technology the judiciary is working as intended even though i personally disagree with last week's result yeah this is a huge reason why like myself and my co-workers as well we're we're very adamant with people to you know call your congress people whenever there is a new law coming out about security and privacy because a lot of times very very often they are really really broad and they can be easily misconstrued in a court if there is ever a court case regarding that new law so yeah this is a huge concern that i have with um ongoing privacy bills that are being passed or that are upcoming and hopefully not or may be being passed so yeah just keep an eye on that stuff because it's really really important and and what Dave's saying is you may not need to freak out the judiciary may get that this shouldn't be applied widely but it's slow moving and it's not that congress is any faster moving but if you can stop it from having to work its way through the courts and take so long to get clarified uh that may that may you may think that that's a better option uh we had a lot of folks respond to Justin and i talking about Tesla's autopilot allen says i think the main problem with autopilot regardless of the name is that people think they understand cars already in addition to the whole eula terms of service phenomenon phenomenon rtfm can't really be a justifiable response to an accident better user experience design really has to be the answer maybe even something like consumer reports recommendation that your hands must be on the wheel for it to work at all but then rob wrote in separately and said Tesla should rename it the distracted driving enabler because there's honestly no other purpose for it seriously Tesla says to keep the hands on the wheel and pay attention to everything around you so why even have it give the autopilot to do these things for you this technology is not fully baked and if you want to be a beta tester that's fine as long as you don't put other people in jeopardy enabling autopilot in its present stage of development is profoundly irresponsible for tesla and no amount of warnings to try and cover their butts legally is going to make up for the lives they're putting in danger ooh snap i like having assisted driving in my car but i'm also very interested in seeing you know autopilot happen in more cars that are available but yeah people in general need to pay attention when they're on the road we shouldn't be able to sit in our you know in our driver seats reading a kindle or whatever people do these days yeah i i think rob maybe is is going maybe he's interpreting the beta part of this to literally i think autopilot is safe they wouldn't have given it regulatory approval even if they're calling it a beta but i i do think that calling and we we talked about it a lot yesterday but i do think a lot of people for whatever reason interpreted as something more than maybe it should be allowed to be interpreted as uh katie currently in beautiful british columbia but normally from colorful colorado says with self-driving cars we have the ability to analyze what happened and figure out how to prevent such accidents in the future whether that means changing programming improving sensors figuring out evasive action or all of the above so she says well it's tragic that you know we have seen a fatality here the you know the fact that these are being used is what will make them better and and that's a really good point too is if you don't have them out on the roads they can't learn as much i see that as sweet more data collection so that we can have more secure or more convenience on the road yeah well it's machine intelligence right machine intelligence needs more data to get smarter so cars are going to take over the road and then finally norm asked i'm sure you've said this but do you go through any headlines that aren't said on dts on your daily tech headlines show because if so i'll subscribe to the headlines also with patreon's model do subscriptions matter so should i just subscribe anyway even if i don't listen will that help you uh no uh with patreon what matters is the number of people supporting the show directly we don't look too closely at subscriber numbers although the more people that subscribe in a day does help boost the itunes rankings and stuff like that uh but to the other question there are definitely more stories in daily tech headlines than we could ever have fit into dts because it's a shorter show that doesn't have to leave room for discussion uh so yeah you'll you'll get sometimes 10 12 18 headlines in daily tech headlines uh all less than 10 minutes versus dts which continues to do what it has done which is to say hey let's let's talk about the stuff that's interesting to discuss but thanks for the question norm uh if people are interested in subscribing to daily tech headlines you can find it at dailytechnewshow.com slash subscribe or dailytechheadlines.com thank you shannon morris what do you got going on these days oh we have tons going on right now we're currently working uh tech thing and hack five together on this uh i guess it's a cross promotional thing where we're building a linux main cabinet so it's going to be one of those cocktail tables and we're going to and we've already built the software on uh hack five that's going to be releasing next week so tune in because it's super super fun and we are going to be building the hardware on tech thing so you're going to see me actually with a hammer and which i never do so i'm i'm not even i don't know what to expect you know they say when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail just because you know that's probably what's gonna happen i might hurt myself because i i never i never do anything hardware related no that you're going to do great i'm sure uh and check it out folks hak5.org tech thing has its own url too but i don't want to get it wrong what is it exactly yes it's te k thing dot com but you can also find all the new tech thing episodes over at hak5.org excellent uh thank you to everyone who supports the show and makes it possible if you'd like to find out more dailytechnewshow.com slash support uh you can support through paypal one-time donation you can support by giving us a review on a podcast aggregator like itunes that helps us too uh or you can support us on an ongoing basis on patreon and we have several uh perks for people who do that at patreon.com slash dtns this sunday peter wells will cover the international tech news of the day in day six from australia our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com you give us a call 51259 daily catch the show live monday through friday 4 30 p.m eastern at alphakeakradio.com and dotonclub.tv and visit our website dailytechnewshow.com peter wells on sunday and lamar wilson joining us on monday dock to you then this show is part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants.com i hope you have enjoyed this program so len what have you been drawing for us um i drew uh well i first of all i was very fascinated to hear about uh mr robot and how accurate they are um but of course i couldn't get away with doing a pokemon ghost or uh you know image as well and uh so uh this is my uh interpretation of that i've been saying mr robot is the most accurate show on television because this is pretty much how i feel when i'm playing the game i'm tired of picking up pidgeys i hate them almost as much as weedles so many pidgeys oh i'm just so sick of them so much so i would think that uh there's gotta be someone on the uh mr robot staff who is actually um you know uh looking to make sure that uh mr robot does not pick up any pidgeys or it does pick up pidgeys you've got an elliot like uh character who is uh who is haunted by a pidgey yes yes and uh there's a pokey stop in the background and i also drew uh uh shannon's favorite little evie uh in the background there because that's your favorite pokemon yeah yay i just got an evie yesterday i was so excited i went yesterday too that's so funny yes must have been a day of evies uh well lemperaltastore.com is the place where you can find that right yes you can go there too i also want to mention one more thing uh uh if you are into adult coloring books and you know one of those things it's a huge craze right now uh just released one on amazon worked with a gentleman by the name of jim herald who does uh campfire ghost stories it's a ghost story adult coloring book so if you like spooky tales if you're a sucker for those kind of things uh it's called the true ghost story adult coloring book inspired by jim herald's campfire it's actually number one right now number one new release in ghosts and hauntings so uh check it out it's about 25 original images based on the campfire stories of um jim herald and uh it's it's it's a lot of fun so check it out awesome thanks awesome and all of that will be in the audio podcast don't worry oh that is so cool awesome yeah it's neat i'm a sucker for you for ghost stories i like i like hearing them but i always like because aliens because alien yeah there's aliens in this thing there's also there's all kinds of aliens and ghosts is there just such a thing as alien ghosts yeah uh yes there actually there is pretty interesting there there's some pretty cool tales um and tales like like folk tales not no no these are actual like he does a podcast where people call in about their weird stories and so he'll share those stories just without any comment and uh and there was one i drew was it's called it's called herman uh and it's it's a really it's a really weird story and it was the one that i drew that i was like oh that's kind of freaky that's kind of creepy and weird so show titles uh yeah man i really like wafalofagus is one oh you mean the dtns uh season 27 episode 10 mr robot gets a right yeah that's a good one that's so great i like it too do you think people would get it like as a like i think i think well i don't know i'm i'm a fan of mr robot so i understand it robot what's a robot robot mr robot like a robot a robot mr rober i i'm cool with it if uh yeah i love it i i think i'm gonna i'm gonna put dtns 2810 and then go underscore s28 dot e10 okay i like it yeah and i caught your typo wafalofagus it's fine robot robot arms robot oh that's the uh hotel or apartment that fry stays it robot arms so wait so i said he's haunted by a pidgey but he's actually haunted by an evie isn't he um well he's well no there's just an i don't need to say he's haunted by him there's just an evie sort of looking watching waiting for him to notice him talking yes yes here yeah because he says that you know there's so many pidgeys he's so wrapped up with pidgeys he's yeah he's so tired of pidgeys that he's not seeing the evie right in front of him but there's actually a perk to collecting all those pidgeys though because every time you collect one you can just transfer it to professor willow and then he'll give you um a candy for pidgeys and then you can use it to evolve just one pidgey so you can keep one of them and then just keep evolving them until he's to his highest evolution and then you can also make his hp go up yeah that's why i sort of figured i sort of figured i i'm going to grab everything just i knew about the evolution but i didn't know about the so wait at what point do you get to fight them you go to the gym gotta be a level five five yeah it doesn't take that long to get the level five no it doesn't you just it spend like maybe 45 minutes walking around there's a gym right right at the end of my street oh yeah it's impossible for me to get to beat to get in there it's i get my butt kick yeah every time i go to gym the server times out and then i eat pauses and freezes and then i die or yeah every time i do anything that happens seems like so like i would would i would bystanders be able to see that that face off like i don't think you watch a gym battle i don't think you can watch it watch your phone physically but that would be cool though because that would be a good twitch stream right there that would be cool yeah that would be actually that would be cool because i never get to see when the battles are happening like i'll see that the gym is changing uh... allegiance you know but i never get to see the fights which makes me wonder like how are they battling is there a way to battle remotely or do you actually have to be at that location you have to be at the location you have to throw your phone at at the the ground to relieve pokemon it's weird because the one the one gym stop is somebody's house which is all it's at the end of both sides of the battle don't have to be at the location do they know just the one that's trying to take control of the gym yeah yeah you can leave you can leave uh... one of them because i left one of my guys at one of them and he was only there for a few minutes and then he got kicked out pro tip you can get free pokemon like pikachu coins if you hit the little shield icon that's at the top of your item menu uh... or i think it's in the shop menu maybe yeah it's in the shop menu but if you hit the little icon after you've gotten a gym after you place hold in a gym you get like 10 pikachu coins oh that's pretty cool really yeah so you can get free points haha that's neat pro tip pack hey tom did you guys this week talk about um how pokemon go affects uh uh commerce for stores did you talk about we mentioned it i mean there's so much pokemon stuff we touched on it real briefly that like some stores are saying hey come on in right we got wi-fi buy some coffee others are like paying customers oh right like the dq picture i saw yeah no this one was um this one was was telling you how to like buy lures and you know tie that in with a with a special that brings people well it was actually very good it was on ink uh uh ink dot com inc dot well i know niantic plans to sell sponsorships where locations can set up more than just lures as a but you can't so you can't sell pokemon like you can't have a blue plate special and say no pokemon no no you got to catch him yeah that you just put the lower down that niantek or niantek i always say neat because that's how you would say n i in japanese but niantek is looking into doing possible trading in the future i don't know if that's true but we'll see that would be really cool though because i want to get rid of all my veggies it is a pretty cool idea as far as um they like buying the lures it came it came to like a dollar nineteen an hour uh you know just just to bring people traffic into your place wow and and and yeah if people come in and they buy say it's like a pizza pizza shop people come in and buy pizza it's worth the dollar nineteen you're paying to bring people into through your door yeah it's pretty cool to hang somebody to wave a sign in front of your pizza place absolutely absolutely dancing man yeah so my my neighborhood released that pokemon go notification from the police department and it says pokemon go Pikachu says be careful while playing pokemon go i know you gotta catch them all but remember to keep the following safety tips in mind while playing and then they do your little safety tips and it's got a little bubble and it has a little pikachu on the bottom so it's like pikachu saying it that's nice graphics department at the police department yeah well done there's a there's a good video out of a florida police department too where the guy actually like apparently he's really good at public service announcements but he he actually like knows the lingo knows the game and yeah those are so much more effective than like punitive sounding ones right yeah totally gotta say it's really cool it's really cool to to walk around the neighborhood or just drive around our neighborhood and see people walking around you know exactly what they're doing you know if it's kids you know it's like oh yeah we've had several interactions where people either just give you the knowing nod thumbs up or like down at Manhattan Beach people are like pokemon yeah it's great people see people using our public parks and going on bike rides it's great yeah but but it does kind of reveal the the whole thing about specifically for nintendo like you know why they wouldn't release some of their more popular properties directly on the phone instead of just licensing out the the mascot for the franchise because i mean this what are you saying well no like the whole argument for the longest time the argument was that to grow nintendo should focus more on software games are right well not just license but develop software for for smartphones for other platforms instead of just you know almost religiously being a hardware software kind of duality so making big or so well what all this shows really in my opinion is nintendo is at the right time like maybe they were right maybe it was too early before maybe they wouldn't have gotten it right maybe they needed niantic to do ingress for several years before and don't forget it's the pokemon company not nintendo which nintendo is an investor in majority 33 percent or whatever but i was talking with friend last night about pokemon go and she was like i'm really happy that they released it the week that they did because we need some positivity in the world yeah well don't read your news right now that yeah seriously yeah no but if you're reading the news which most people are uh and and then you go out and you see people like in public places and you know being positive and having fun yeah it's a huge help it's sort of weird it's weird that they have the these two these two things are dominating the news you have the terrible news here and then you have you know everything else is poking it's just i think the reason why it might be so popular is people just want an escape they just want to get out they want to get away from all of this you know want something fun yeah great well i'm gonna go buy some shoes i really thought you were gonna say pokemon well i have to i have to buy some new running shoes because i'm starting the knee pain so because of all the walking around doing pokemon no no for mech full running i uh i would do i would do running and then like after about a mile the outside of my knee starts to hurt so i'm like i read online it's like might have something to do that i put 500 miles on these shoes so probably need to get new shoes wow do you run a pavement uh both well sometimes i'll run inside like during the cold weather that's probably why i didn't get it um during the winter because i was running inside in the track uh but since the weather's been nicer i've been yeah out on the trails yeah well if you're on trails are you on dirt no it's it's it's like a sidewalk sort of thing so so yeah so i think that might be it so i've had to i've had to walk a lot but i'm gonna try doing running again because i missed that i used to have problems until i really got uh serious about which kind of shoes i bought and replacing them regularly rather than using old shoes and it's it's helped a lot yeah you know that's the thing when i read online that like it was probably your shoes that were causing it i'm like oh i need to get new shoes because uh because i don't have pain otherwise it's only like after about a mile like my outside of my knee starts to really hurt and i have to like stop i feel like an old man anyhow all right cool all right well thanks len go pokemon going go pokemon right see everybody and i will i will talk to you later shannon okay right see you bye bye all right i'm gonna head off and go edit all the things all right edit all the things thank you oh wait shannon that was great we're gonna stop the broadcast roger's got a scheduling question for you sorry see you guys later um so i just want