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Maybe he's muted. I see him as well. Tim's ran, I'm sorry. Here. Mr. Brown. Here. Mr. Dinkins. President. Mr. Salivi. Here. Mr. Wolfe. Not yet. And Ms. Jago. Here. Yes. We have a forum. Great. In order to avoid ex parte communications, DDRC members are under strict instructions not to discuss cases under consideration with the public or with each other outside of the public forum. The meeting typically starts with staff calling the case, giving a summary of the project and then calling on the applicant to present if they wish. Decisions are typically made in one evening and decisions may be appealed within 30 days to accord a competent jurisdiction. Oaths will be administered individually as we hear either from applicants or from live speakers. Applicants with request before the DDRC are allotted a presentation time of 10 minutes. This time should include but is not limited to an overview of the project, case history and any pertinent meetings held regarding the request. 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So the consent agenda today has just the one case. It's 3017 Kirkwood Road. This is a request for certificate of design approval for exterior changes in the Oakwood Court Architectural Conservation District. And we also have the June minutes on the consent agenda for approval. Is there anyone from the DDRC that would like any item removed from the consent agenda? Is there anyone from the public that would like to have an item moved from the consent agenda? Please communicate by sending an email to cocboardmeeting at columbiasc.gov or communicate via phone by pressing star two to leave a voicemail or star three to speak in person. We will pause a moment to check to see if we have any communication. Staff, I'm gathering, we don't. Currently. Hi Madam Chair, I do not, I'm sorry, go ahead. We don't have any emails regarding the consent agenda. Okay. And likewise, I do not have any callers on the line. Okay, great. Do I have a motion and a second to accept the consent agenda, which also includes the June, 2021 meeting minutes. Sure. I'll move to approve the June 10th meeting 2021 along with the consent agenda items on the July 8th, 2021 agenda with all details referred to staff. That's it. Second that motion. Okay, Mr. Baker. See him talking. I think you're on mute. Mr. Baker. Yes. Thank you. Mr. Brannum. Yes. Mr. Brun. Yeah. Mr. Dinkins. Yeah. Mr. Salivi. Yes. Mr. Wolfe. Point Turkey came in. Ms. Jacob. Yes. And the motion passes. Great. Can we move to the regular agenda? So this is a request for a certificate of design approval for exterior changes at 1707 Hayward Street in the Wales Garden Architectural Conservation District. This is a two story brick veneer Dutch colonial revival style house, which was constructed in 1927 from plans that were drawn by prominent local architecture firm of Lafay and Lafay. Lafay and Lafay were responsible for the design of a number of commercial, residential and institutional buildings throughout Columbia. These include the Berenger Building, which is at the corner of Maine and Washington Township Auditorium. They're also responsible for a number of buildings on the South Carolina Mental Health Campus, which is today Bull Street, as well as a number of residences in neighborhoods such as Forest Hills and Wales Garden. The current proposal is to lime wash the brick. Lime washing is a technique that has been used on Henry for centuries. Traditionally on older, softer brick and other porous materials, as it creates a protective surface for increased weatherproofing of the material. A lime wash has a flat, chalky finish that is naturally white. But after the product cures, it has an adherence to the brick or substrate similar to paint, although it is breathable unlike paint, meaning that it's not easily removable. So it's a permanent change to the surface, more or less. Treatments to the exterior surfaces were deliberately chosen to correspond with specific architectural styles, such as faux half-tempering and brick being used onto revival style houses. The brick used on Dutch colonial revival style homes would have been deliberately chosen to be a visible design element. The brick at 1707 Hayward Street is not a consistent or flat color. It is variegated with color variation from brick to brick, ranging from deep reds and browns to an orangey red. It provides the house with rich surface detail. Washing out the color variation in the brick by using a lime wash would permanently alter the original feature and would inevitably alter the historic character of the house. In the past within Wales Garden, painting unpainted masonry has only been allowed under certain extreme circumstances. Staff knows of two examples. One was when the brick had multiple patches and repairs which included mismatched brick at 413 Saluda Avenue. That house was approved for painting in 2011, but was never actually painted. So it remains just bare brick. The other case was at 1808 Catabashree which staff found was originally a wood sighted home that the brick near was after. So in that case, it was not original brick that was allowed to be painted, which was approved in 2020. The renovations are currently underway there. So that house also has not been painted yet. So for staff's findings, staff finds that the house has architectural and historical significance, the intact and architect designed Dutch colonial revival home and it's contributing to the Wales Garden District. Staff also finds that the original variegated brick contributes the historic character of the house and contrary to past requests where painting brick has been approved, staff has not been made aware of nor has staff observed any damage to the brick that would necessitate a protective coating. The first guideline for masonry states to identify, retain and preserve masonry features that are important to defining the overall historical character of buildings, such as joint and unit size, tooling, bonding patterns, coatings and color. Staff finds that the request to line wash the brick at 1707 Hayward Street is not in keeping with section seven of the Wales Garden architectural conservation district design guidelines. As it would alter an original feature that is important to defining the overall historical character of the building and recommends denial of this request. And the, this is an image of what a line wash looks like if you're not familiar. And the applicant is here and they did submit a couple of extra photos that shows some patches and brick addition on the rear which they can speak more about. This is my time to speak, Rachel. Is that so that yeah, the applicant is present, all right? Can you have? Yes, if I can hear me okay. We can, if you could please state your name and swear that you'll tell the truth in these proceedings. Absolutely, yes I do. My name is Chuck Hartley. I'm the contractor agent for this project. I'd like to start off by thanking everyone for your time, we really do appreciate it and also I'd like to give a little backstory to my clients. My client is a Colombian native and has lived most of his adult life in Wales Garden. He and his wife, whom is a native of Charleston and also a graduate of the Savannah College of Art and Design, she holds a degree in historical preservation. They bought their house in April of this year and they had intentions of covering the exterior break with a lime wash. It occurred to us early on during our preliminary stages of the project that the house was in fact in a historically designated neighborhood and obviously this was a shock to them because they believe and they know that the alteration in question would only enhance the physical features of this home. Beyond the many benefits both aesthetically and the protective properties of this lime wash product it would be consistent with the surrounding houses in the area that have either been painted or lime washed in the past. Furthermore, the area of Hayward Street that their house is located on, you go a little bit past their house and there's nothing but duplexes and rentals and if you're looking at them at the street you can tell it's student housing. So my clients, they're a small but growing family and they have intentions of bringing up the neighborhood and keeping up with the growing trend of younger families moving into these areas that are trying to turn over. So anyways, as I mentioned before clients wife holds a degree in historical preservation and she also owns her own interior design company where most of her projects are based in Charleston. So she has a lot of experience working with the same criteria set forth from this type of committee and she prides herself in the enrichment and historical spaces in the projects that she's worked on. And I would say that this project is no exception to her previous work. With that, I've seen the houses and the reasons given for approval for exterior alterations at Catawba Street and Saluda Avenue. And I believe my client's home meets the point of comparison with these homes. Their home has had extensive brick repair as I showed in the slide by Rachel and the west side of the house above what is now the kitchen window. That's had some, you can see in the picture that it's had some repairs and also the brick addition and sunroom on the house were built with a completely different brick face and no matching color variation. I do believe these are valid points to consider in this committee's decision of approval or non-approval. So with that, we respectfully ask the committee for approval to make the exterior alterations. And again, I would like to thank you for your time. Thank you. Was that everyone speaking from the applicant side? I gather. I'm gonna open up then to any comments. I was on mute. Oh, are you the homeowner? Yes, hi. Hi. If you'd like to speak, if you don't mind, please just state your name and declare that you will tell the truth in these proceedings. Absolutely. My name's Thomas Kibler and I will be honest in everything I state here. I just wanted to let everyone know we actually just moved about 75 yards down the street from William and Mary Court, 100 William and Mary Court. I lived in that house prior to getting married to my beautiful wife, Molly. And I will say that since I got married, she turned an animal house into a wonderful family home. She has an incredible eye for design and with her background in historic preservation, I think all the changes that she plans on making to the home will do nothing but enhance the neighborhood. And with that, I really appreciate your consideration and your time. So I'll turn it over. All right, thank you. All right, I'm gonna ask any commissioners who'd like to ask questions or staff or the applicant. Yeah, there's interest, maybe I'll speak up. I mean, those pictures do look really beautiful and I think the lawnmush adds a nice touch to the aesthetics of the home. You know, our hands are kind of tied if you read the regulations for Wales Garden. Looking at the precedent is, so two questions. Is this the original brick on the house? And if it is staff, do you have any pictures so we can compare what the patches on that other home I'm looking for the 413 Saluda Avenue approval back in 2011? There's no reason to believe this isn't the original brick. I can say that much. It's not normal to change brick on a house. I mean, it happens occasionally, but that's not typical. Or I guess a situation similar to the precedent where it may have been wood sided with veneer and after later. Right, no, that staff hasn't found that in this case. So is there a particular reason? Like other than just, and I'm sympathetic to the reason of wanting to paint it aesthetically, but other than that, I don't really find a reason other than just to see what I want. And I don't mean to be frank, but I'm trying to understand exactly the motivation behind it. There are reasons to, it is a protective coating. It protects the brick from further deterioration. It's not all aesthetic purposes. I know my clients have had, they've had some termite issues after they found this out during their due diligence period that they've had some termite issues. And a line wash has been proven to help in the event of further, having any more of a termite issue, but it does protect against weathering, against it helps, it protects the brick and it protects the wood members of the home. So there are a lot of benefits to having, we'd call it a protective coating on the home. That's what line wash very, very much is. Mary Beth or Bob, do you, I mean, aren't there other ways to add a protective coat to original brick? I mean, just not as an architect I'm asking my committee members. Right, right. So Sanford, I wanted to tag in with your comment about, I mean, obviously there, this could be a protective coating but I think it seems that it is, though you haven't really mentioned how much internal water damage may be coming from porous brick that needs sealing. Obviously sealing a brick is a good idea but I don't know that I've heard that there is a definite deterioration to the interior due to the porous brick that would necessitate it from anything but an aesthetic reason for wanting to change. I see that there's a bit of damage. I think the one thing that was not given in the original information was the fact that the addition was done out of a different brick and I'm not sure what the age of that particular addition was. I think that is maybe, and of course I'd want feedback from staff but that begins to allude to a different reason for wanting to make it all homogenous in terms of its exterior appearance. But I don't know the age of this addition and what was done there. I do agree that the setup for the brick and the Lafay and Lafay original design and the variegated brick is a beautiful design that should be kept intact if at all possible. So that's a good line. Is the addition visible from the street, Rachel? I mean, what portion of the addition is currently visible? It's not really visible. I didn't actually. I didn't notice it. Yeah, until I got the photos, yeah. Currently not visible from the street. Well, I say that my client's yard is fairly overgrown right now and that's particularly the side setback which they're planning on doing some extensive landscaping. This whole project is that they're making it their home. They are making it part of the neighborhood more than it is right now. So what you're gonna see coming down the road is this big addition on the back of the house that just doesn't even align with the rest of the house, the existing house. So I think that that does come into play when you think about what their future plans are for landscaping as well. Well, was this project, I mean, it looks like they attempted to match the brick variation in the addition. Yes. Whether it's perfectly successful or not is not for us to discuss. It's more about the fact that when that addition was done and I'm not sure if that was under the purview of the DDRC at that time, that the idea of continuing that look and it looks like it's fricking good shape in that addition in terms of its age. So I'm a little... Yeah, the guidelines are very clear for us on this and the request is not within the guidelines. I mean, Mary Beth, what were you gonna say? I mean, that's where I'm struggling. That's exactly where I was. Is that though I may or may not agree that aesthetically this would look different than better one way or the other, the guidelines are pretty straightforward about the conditions in which painting would be allowed or a lot more. I will say, I mean, I do think the renderings are beautiful but quite honestly, I don't feel they fit within the guidelines that we have set forth. And as much as I really do like the look of the house and the renderings, it's not the look of what I expect in this neighborhood. So I really do commend your effort and think that, I mean, it's a beautiful concept, just as an engineer and I really, and live in the area, I love the brick and I think it's our somewhat job to not set a precedent to let this modern, I mean, I really like the new design but again, I just don't think it fits here. And I don't think it fits in our guidelines. If other commissioners would like to convince me otherwise, I'd love to hear. I'd like to make a statement. Can you present me the picture of the garage and from the distance as a dumpster right there? What is that garage kind of material? What is the material itself? It's mixed material, it's wood siding with brick on the sides. Brick on the side? Yeah, and I can't remember the dormer, the offshoot dormer that it could be vinyl siding. I can't remember off the top of my head but it's either wood or vinyl siding. Has that back building been painted or something done with it in the past year or so? This visible from the street? The garage. They may have put another coat of paint on it. I'm not sure, it certainly hasn't changed from the picture that you're seeing now within a year. So, like I said, my clients bought this house in April and this is, they bought it as it is, as it sits now. I just remember being brick and I was just curious. That's, I don't know if staff knows that. Just based on the information I've seen, there was several years ago a request to make some changes to that garage but it was for a little side porch and the pictures show it basically as you see now. The side porch is in the back and I think that the garage was turned into a guest house in the 70s or the 80s. As far as I'm concerned, since we've owned it, it hasn't been touched and I don't think it's been touched for a while since we've been living in the neighborhood. May I talk about the exterior? Yeah, Molly, even though let me, hold on just one second. Let me finish with the commissioner comments and then maybe we can circle back a second or are you trying to respond to some of the comments? I was gonna respond to the first comment about, you know, is this just clearly for aesthetic or if it's for me? Okay, I tell you what, I mean, I don't mind being somewhat flexible since this is our item on the agenda. So if you could just please state your name and swear that you'll tell truth in these proceedings and then make your comments, please. I'm Molly Hamrick, I am Thomas's wife and I will tell the truth. I would first like to say it is for a lot of, a lot of the reason is for aesthetic. Like Chuck, our contractor showed, there are a lot of brick repairs on the house around the window. There's also some on the back of the house above the living room and then the addition, which I don't think they did a very good job of matching the brick. And you know, I just wanna point out that this house sat on the market for nine months before we purchased it and probably the busiest market anybody has seen in our city, especially with COVID and things being just so wild. And we have no intention of taking any historic character out of this house. One of the reasons I bought this house is because it has original windows. I wanna take off the storm windows so we can see those beautiful original windows. I wanna take off the fake shutter so we can really bring this house back to a beautiful, it's just not getting what it deserves. The architecture is gorgeous and it sort of sits on, it doesn't stand the way that it should. I know that it doesn't matter to y'all but we're not doing any alterations on the interior. We're keeping the original floor plan because that's what we love about the house. We love the traditional floor plan. And we are just trying to bring this neighborhood. I mean, I'm a preservationist but I also believe that it has to move with the time because we got the house for a really good deal. It could have sat on the market for six more months with someone who didn't wanna preserve it, who might just live in it and let it fall down, let the whole house fall down around them. I just feel like it's important for us as preservationists to make sure these houses are respected but also I think it's important that it was built 100 years ago and if we want it to make it another 100 years, we have to make it go with the time. I don't know, I just, I do think it's aesthetically pleasing as well. I just do. I understand that the brick is original and we don't wanna take it away but I just think that it's gonna live a better life with the color on it, with a little light lime wash. Chloe, may I comment? Yeah, I was gonna comment too but Sanford before you do, let me just, I just wanted to make sure if Bob, because he was speaking earlier, Bob did you get out what you wanted to earlier? I just, I felt like you got cut off and I wasn't sure. Well, I was just wondering are there any patchwork on the front of the house? Is there any patchwork? Yeah. Not to the front of the house but there is the sunroom that's visible from the street which is, like I said, the face of the brick while it's, the coloration may be a little more similar to the original house than the addition, the face of the brick is completely different. And again, the coloration is not, it's completely different from the existing. But as far as patching, no, I don't believe I recall seeing any on the front. Sanford. So Thomas and Molly, we really appreciate you coming to the neighborhood and then again, contributing to the extraordinary nature. And I mean that. And I think it's a beautiful house. I've been by it hundreds of times. And I think that I just would like to encourage you maybe hopefully, I may not make the motion but embrace what's there. And maybe look around at the neighbors and see what maybe you can keep. I don't think this fits within our guidelines personally. I think your design is beautiful. And again, welcome to the neighborhood. We appreciate it. And just personally, I think that, I think it's a beautiful old home and fits within the guidelines to not be painted. And I hope you understand that. Both of our neighbors' houses are painted and they look the exact same as ours. And I understand which is what makes this unique. And again, I appreciate it. And thank you again. Well, Sanford, that probably summed up a little bit what I was going to point out. So any other comments or questions? Commissioners at this point? Callaway, I beg forgiveness as it's my first meeting but is there a way right now, based on what y'all submitted and on the guidelines and what they state, I do not see a way that we would be able to approve or I personally wouldn't be able to approve it. However, I don't know if there is a way to resubmit based on the additional information, perhaps as you start to take off the shutters and if you find deteriorated brick behind it, maybe there are some extenuating circumstances under another submittal that would lead us to that decision based on something other than aesthetics. But, and I wanna echo Sanford's remarks that I appreciate, Molly, your background and your appreciation for beautiful historic architecture that these folks did Lafayne Lafayne are well known in this area for the beautiful architecture that they've done and Thomas, I appreciate your as well. So it's not about disagreeing with your thoughts on what would make it look better. It really is about the guidelines and how do we adhere to them and still give the correct thoughts on it. And just to echo that again, just to set a precedent as well. I think personally, really it's a beautiful brick house and they are well known in the area. And Mayor Beth, I don't know the answer to your question. So we'll ask staff, but I think it's beautiful from the front as it is, guys. I think you've got a great help. May I make one quick comment? Sure. Okay, yeah, I just heard, you know, president, president being said a couple of times now and again, going back to the house on Saluda and Catawba when you're talking about, you know, patchwork in the brick that's visible, you know, we have that. We have three different types of brick on this house. You know, I feel like that's visible from the street. I mean, you know, you're talking about taking shutters off and seeing if something is exposed there when there's already, it's already exposed. It's already visible from the street. And I think that's a, I think that falls within the precedent to be honest. So I think in the case of the house on Saluda, and this was before my time, but I did read the evaluation. I think some openings had been removed at some point. And so it was like a big brick box on the side of the building that was a completely different brick, as well as some, I mean, the patches we've seen before, all of you have seen before and they can be fixed. We know that, but I think in that case, it was a pretty significant box in the middle of a facade that was a mismatch brick rather than an addition. Cause again, we've seen additions that are different bricks and additions can be removed. They can be altered. So I think in my evaluation, that would be the difference here. I'd like to make one more comment about the lime wash. You showed us the example of how it's been done that way. But there are also other colors that you can go with. Is that the color you plan to go with on the house show? Yes, it would be the flat white lime wash. And there is a home, it's on Saluda Avenue. It's the second house before you get to Hayward Street on Saluda that has a very, very similar appearance that's been white wash. I mean, there are several homes in the area that will have the similar characteristics that we proposed. What I'm talking about, I appreciate that. Well, Thomas, is that the, I know what you're talking about. That's Mary Rushings house? Yeah, the Grembles house. I don't know if they lime wash that house. The second from the corner on Saluda, Hayward Street. That's a Baileyville property as well. I think it was, I mean, it could be a lime wash. I don't know that, but it was, I think it was more solidly finished and then Ms. Rushing, I think tried to remove some of it for that more lime wash back. So it was already this day over the break. I'm talking about the one across Saluda, like one house towards five points. That was, it's similar. But it can, the only examples that staff is aware of that have been approved since this area become a historic district are the examples that I discussed previously. Okay. For the lime wash example picture, we wouldn't have ours as white as that. That didn't show really, that shows no brick underneath. Ours wouldn't be so painted. And with the way that this product is applied, it's applied with, it's a single coat. And once the coat is applied after 20 minutes, you take a water hose to it and you give it the effect that you want. It shows more of the brick while at the same time applying a protective coating. So you kind of have it both ways as far as aesthetics and something that would actually protect the house as well. What about the trim on the existing house? Are you gonna have white, white? That's the plan. To my understanding, typically the trim you don't touch as well with the brick, but is that something that we would have approval on if we decided to change the color of the existing wood? No, we don't review wood painting now. You're welcome to change that. We haven't decided on a color for the wood. We just want to take off the storm windows and sand the windows and freshen them up and make sure that they're in good shape. And we would love one day to restore the windows to back to functioning because they're all painted shut. I would just mention kind of sidebar. We do have the Bailey bill, which I have not spoken to the homeowners about, which I'm happy to help them through that process. It sounds like they're doing some renovations to the home and this would definitely qualify to fixing windows, things like that, repairing the patches in the brick if you wanted to. Those would all qualify for the Bailey bill. So I'm happy to discuss that with you guys. I think that's Rachel just asked on behalf of the homeowners, if someone only commissioned and the commission approved or denied the request, I would assume that the exterior work that maybe they counted on wouldn't go there. And I just maybe want to let the homeowners know that. I don't think this would even, even if we did approve it, would it go towards the Bailey bill credit? Oh, you mean, as far as meaning the threshold. If there was proof that the brick was deteriorating and it needed a protective coating to keep it intact, then yes, but if it's more of an aesthetic reason, no. So I mean, just for the homeowners, I would just keep that in mind that even if you do get an approval, this work may not go towards that threshold. Right, and I think Rachel was just highlighting for the homeowners that for some of the other projects they're talking about undertaking that the Bailey funds could be applicable for that. So, all right. Shall we move to see if there's any public comments? We encourage those who would like to communicate via email to begin sending in letters and emails to COC board meeting at Columbia SC.gov or on the web at publicinput.com slash COC DDRC dash JUL 2021. For those wanting to leave a voicemail or speak live, please call 855-925-2801. When prompted, please enter the meeting code 4287 and then press star two to begin leaving a voicemail or if you would like to speak live, please press star three. We will now hear any comments. We did receive an email prior to the meeting. So I'll read that to you now. DDRC board members, I write you in support of the staff decision to deny the application to color the brickwork on 1707 Hayward Street with wash. I am a lifetime resident of this area of Columbia and drive by this house almost every day. This is the fine example of the Dutch colonial revival style. It is also one of the nicest homes on a street of many nice structures. The variegated brickwork gives this home an understated elegant appeal in my opinion. DDRC staff has made a compelling argument that the original brickwork as chosen by the well-known architectural firm that created the design is significant to the historic quality of this house. I agree, respectfully submitted Guy Jones. And at this time, I don't believe we have any additional emails. Voicemails, phone activity? And likewise. Okay. No, I do not have any callers on the line that we should speak. I think we've got no callers on the queue. Is there any need for any response to the one email that was received? Any follow-up questions from the DRC? Are we ready to move to a motion? I'll make a motion if there's no other comments. Okay. So I move that the design development recommission deny the request for a certificate of design approval for exterior changes located at 1707 Hayward Street because it is not in keeping with section seven of the Wales Garden Architectural Conservation District Guidelines. Okay, I'll call the roll. Mr. Baker? Yes. Ms. Sims-Brandon? Yes. Mr. Brun? Yes. Mr. Lincoln? Yes. Mr. Salivi? Yes. Good. Mr. Wilkhoff? I don't think so. And Ms. Jacob? Yes. The motion passes. All right, I think that it's the last item on the regular agenda, right, Lucinda? We'll move to other business. That is correct. Yes. Thank you. I would like to introduce Skye Robinson. Susan Barnes to you guys. She is our new land use board coordinator and I'm trying to find or adjust her little bio that she sent me. Sorry, I can't find it all of a sudden. Skye, are you here? I know you are. Is Skye on? Yes, I'm here. Okay, I'm sorry, I found it. I apologize. Skye, welcome. She has an undergraduate degree in marketing communications and a master's in business specializing in project management. She is from the Columbia area and is devoted to sharing how the city is a gem in the making. In her free time, she enjoys spending time with family, friends, traveling, and cooking. And we are super excited to have her here and she'll be, like I said, I think Amy's gonna email out but Skye is gonna be corresponding with you guys regularly trying to get quorum, taking minutes and many, many other things. So we're super happy to have her, so. And... That's great, well, welcome Skye. Welcome. And then the only other thing is, and hopefully I think next month we're all in the same person. So you guys will be together again or for the first time. Oh, did you say this under their plan to in person by next month? Yeah, so I was gonna ask. Okay. So that's gonna be in person next time or? Yeah, and more information will be coming. We've got our planning commission is meeting on this coming Monday in person. And then city council will be there all during those meetings at Busby Street, which mainly because there's no elevators. So they're trying to space everybody out and ask for required, et cetera. But y'all will get more information on that. But the good news is y'all will get to see each other in person and. Hey. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. The only other business that we had is just a reminder to anybody who needs to complete any ongoing education requirements. I'm sure you've reached out by staff, but that is so it's essential for some of our new members so that we can keep you on. No pressure. Well, it reminds me like you remind me when they are due and how many we need. I'm sure you will receive a lovely reminder from staff, especially as critical times come for us. So, but it's the beginning of the year. So, yeah, but there are several opportunities, I guess, new members that come up and we get emailed about. Yeah. Don't pass them over. And that is definitely something y'all will be hearing from Sky about. Yeah, I was gonna say probably Sky's new job. She'll be harassing you and that's what she's supposed to do. So, all right. Sky, please harass me all you want. Please. And don't stop until I get it done. That's great. Well, if there's no other business, having a motion to adjourn? Motion to adjourn. Second. Great. Meeting adjourned. Everybody have a great remainder of the month. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you.