 My show guest here from Germany, from Stuttgart, represent Demmler, Jan and Flado. Thank you very much for joining us this year. And we have again our beautiful ladies over here from Google open-source department and the Google Cloud team of course, but I guess nobody from Google Cloud's here now. It's Andy. Andrew, yes, Andrew is here. Thank you, Andrew, for joining us. And Microsoft. Anyone? Ben, thank you so much and thank you for moderating the track as well. And Mario, you want to continue with the rest? Yeah, okay, so you can have a break, right? Okay, good, so who else do we want? Let's scroll up a bit. So we also show, give us some credit here to all the supporters, okay? So you find them on the website with links. So it's great that we also see a lot of companies that actually make their income with open-source and we're glad this year that Next Cloud joined us. Frank with the keynote. Also here, Frank, thanks a lot for joining us here this year and supporting. And it was a bit quiet about OpenSuzi for a few years. They changed the ownership and so on and we had a few years ago a lot of activity with Mike Weltman. I think he worked with OpenSuzi in Singapore and now the community is getting started again. So thanks for joining us here and supporting the event. I think the guys are still, are you here somewhere? I can't see you, I think still down there, but thank you a lot, OpenSuzi. And let's put everyone else in one group so don't spend too much time because like we already know about the awesome work and support of the sponsors. So Intel visited us this year. They wanted to see how Salesforce Asia are going and yeah, they said they will see like how to join in future. Thanks Intel for joining. KI Group joined with a lot of good advice here and help us to get in touch with companies. Creditive is a big company famous for Debian. At one point they had like the most Debian developers in one space in the world like working for their company. Gandhi.net support already also for the second year here. Thomas came from Taiwan all the way over with MBM, MySQL, they had a track here today and Excel tag as well as we had the Postgres track. And so thanks a lot to everyone who really like make this event possible. Thank you very much. Najana, can I have you up here please? Do we have Kiwi in the room? No. They like setting up things. Yeah. Yes, so what do we want to do here at the closing? We want to hear from you. So many things going on, so many talks, so many presentations, but we really do not have a lot any time to interact with you. And this is the chance that you can come up and tell us what did you feel about the event and what do you want us to improve or do better or any feedback. We're open for it. So please, we only have 20 minutes for the closing. Before we head upstairs for a lot of beers. Okay, so maybe I want to outline a bit like who did what because not everyone knows what's actually going on and some people might see Dan here the first time and didn't even know that he was so active. So at FOSS Asia, we are like always a bit like world domination, right? So we're always thinking about that. And so somewhere in the sessions of the open event team here, which did fantastic work. A lot of guys from India also came over and also of course like through the support of Google some of code we like made big jump in this project and now it's like rising all the time. So why open event? We now have our own system for ticketing Tesla coil, okay? We have our own system for ticketing for making events possible, which all of you can use, you can set it up. So this is awesome. We made it happen. I know there are a lot of bugs, yeah? But we made it happen. So this is the first thing. The next thing is we decided, okay, let's set up our own open source network. Yeah, I mean like let's not take any provider or something. Let's get our own gear or work with companies together. And Roland, Dan, how long did we actually spend? When did we start? Weeks ago. Yeah, this has been a sort of ongoing discussion and negotiation with multiple parties over at least the last six weeks. We finally settled on borrowing a bunch of equipment from Aligas, which is why their name appears in the name of the network. In fact, they were not that fussed about being credited. All they wanted was the performance data because this is an unusual venue and an unusual event. So they wanted a sense of what the equipment does under load. The feedback I've had from engineers.sg who are perhaps the heaviest users of our network. Single group, so it's Michael and friends, is they've been uploading videos right through the event without missing a beat. And so I compared to last year. It's been a massive improvement. The guts of the work was Wednesday, Thursday and to some extent Friday, quite late at night because we can't drag ladders around in the middle of the science center when it's full of the public. So Dan and myself and Marco and Andrew and Matthew who are currently ripping the network apart and one other person, I forget who. And Saigas. And Saigas, thank you. We're here late, Wednesday and Thursday night putting up cables and access points to make sure the whole thing came together. So it's been a, there will be a blog post. We took a few photos that I was asked for this, but it's a fascinating experience to actually build the network for real. Thank you, Tesla. Foreign event where everyone has mobiles and notebooks on the network in use the whole time. Also as well, I mean, certainly there were some challenges with various things not working out. But I mean, there were always plan Bs and plan Zs. Just to be clear, we had two telco circuits. One of which mysteriously stopped working at 4 p.m. on Thursday afternoon. We lost half our network capacity and so yeah, some of the cable thing was rerouting around that. So yeah, we had the contingency planned and we got to use them, but it was a bigger task than expected. So this is about the network and I think it's one of the few events of this size where actually the community sets up their own network and I would like to thank you especially for making this happen that I know how much work it is. So thank you a lot, like we have Dan, yeah? Okay, thank you a lot. So Daniel Blumen and Roland Turner who led this initiative and as they mentioned, like a lot of support and help from the team. Who else do we have from Foucault? We have Nayana here. So Nayana, yes? I don't know what to tell, but I'm so happy. This is my first time joining the team. End of the all people here, they enjoy. They participate, a lot of talks and sharing, get to know more people. It feels so happy end of that, yeah? Thank you all for being here, yeah. Okay, so and we have also designers who helped us to make this happen. Roger, Roger, where are you? Ah, okay, they're behind Roger who did like, for example, these cool batches that we all have, yeah? And a lot of other things, so thanks Roger. Yeah? And actually like at different points, it's all a community effort. So they were always like things to do and then of course, like everyone has a job and we had like other things to do, like a poster and so on. And it's amazing, like if you call out in the open source community, people just start to help. And actually a lot of thanks also to Victoria. Victoria, hey, yes? So thank you. So there is the open-source-design.net website where Victoria, she's running it with Jan together also and others from, Tesla coil, from next cloud also, right, Jan? And you just called out also for help from people and actually another Russian girl who's also called Victoria then from Seoul, helped us actually and made this cool hat that we saw. This is also like a big community effort and we have a lot of ideas how to improve on that. We already have started a software project, a batch maker, yeah, to make like open source batches, like just like click and they will generate them for you. So that's pretty cool. Then of course, we have Michael here, was always a very serious face, but like, yeah, who's helping us like from engineers SG. There are actually a number of people from engineers SG. I think we should like give you guys credit. We will list you on the website and everything like also. And your video of day one and day two are already on the website, ready on our YouTube. So this is all already fantastic. It looks like a number get like already quite a few clicks, yeah. And so people can actually join the event more online as well. And we are also trending Twitter the last few days. Yeah, Forsage was trending on Twitter here for the first time, so quite nice. I don't know, does it speak for Forsage? I think so, right? We had over a few hundred thousand hits over the last few days on the Twitter account. And yeah, that was cool. Thank you. So I think like we didn't give everyone credit, like I see a lot of people in the room always helping, like I see like somebody who's very tired because they also helped us with design at Valentine, right? And a lot of other people, I think like we should thank everyone. Just give a clap to everyone, maybe. And one more thing, of course, like whenever you had a problem, like you needed a plaque or something, there was always one person here, our pilot trainer, who is probably working out some electrical issues now, still in the exhibition hall, very strong guy, right? You probably know who I'm talking about, Kiwi, right? Okay, so sure we thank everyone, but we would like to know what do people think about the event. So do we want to give out the microphone and just like get some feedback, see how we can do? We're starting to take that personally. Comments here? Yeah. Frank, Frank, there we are. First of all, I wanted to say like a big thank you to the team again. I think it's such a perfect and wonderful conference. It's really, I said it like to you earlier, I think it's just perfectly organized. Everything worked, seriously, everything worked. That's really, really amazing. So big, big thank you to all the volunteers again. Of course, I also have like a tiny, tiny suggestion for improvement. So to upload my slides, I had to reactivate a very old Dropbox account of mine. So... So maybe in the future. Okay, that's really awesome suggestion. So we're looking for your extended sponsorship next year because... Somebody else has taken the beat to task at some length over that fact. So, yes. I think we're starting at like 1,500 per month, right? So that's pretty cool. So thanks a lot for coming on board with it. No other feedback? Again, thank you to the whole team, but I especially wanna call out Hong Fook and Mario. They are the reason that this whole program works and they are always there with a smile on their face. They seem to be in every, you turn around and there they are. They're wherever you need them. And I just wanna say thank you. It's always a pleasure to be able to see you. We wish you got to see you more often and you're always welcome to come see us in San Francisco. So please come stop by. Nobody else? Stunned silence. We don't have any day to do that. Thank you very much. I don't know if you chose this venue on purpose because he was like a science park, but at least for me it was like quite enjoyable like having all those gadgets around. Maybe you could organize something like to explore. If you choose this venue next year again, like have a session specifically for it or something because it was a bit like running from one talk to another and then like, oh, damn, this is so cool. I wanna try it, you know? And then you didn't have the time and then you have to run. Yeah, so if you, I mean, I've been, I will come later, you know? I'm based here in Singapore at least for a while. So many other people, maybe they would have liked to kind of take the opportunity of the trip to, to, I don't know, to play with it. Yeah, so for example, so I'm German, but I don't know by chance quite a few people are German. Like I'm talking to this company from Taiwan and they're sending over a German, I don't know, yeah? I mean, that's happening here, but like in Germany we have a few hacker events and so on, so for example, the Chaos Communication Congress and so we like it, yeah? People can even stay overnight and we run for Asia at different spaces. We run it at universities. We also run it at Block 71 and Block 79 here in Singapore, before like, so more like a startup focused event. And then Hongfuk actually met Curutika, right? Dr. Curutika here, are you here? I didn't see Curut here yet, right? She's probably still out. And they came on board and we love this space because like a lot of open source projects come out of like a playful situation, yeah? Or like people have this kind of ideas and it just seemed like this is the right place to be. And we would even like expand on this, yeah? So like we're talking about like having the whole space next year because still like there were a few other things like going on which sometimes distracting and really like have this like a creation space and the Science Center from there, they even said, oh, let's even explore if people can stay the whole night, yeah? I mean, I wouldn't have dared because we are in Singapore and like it's more conservative here and like they're opening hours, closing hours, you know? Like, but like, yeah, I mean, cool. They already have this idea. So we're exploring more what we can do. And but we're in Asia. So and Asia always means for me like make a living. I come from Berlin and a lot of people like in the 90s they used to be, yeah, just play around and it didn't make, it's not so important to actually make an income, yeah? At that time. But things have changed and we also learned here in Asia that it's important that when students or somebody goes home at night, their parents will ask, how can you earn an income? So for us, I think it's important that for us, Asia is also a kind of incubator for this kind of thing. So that people don't have to move on to like, let's say a closed source proprietary project or something like that. So they can earn an income. So next year, we want to expand on the exhibition and offer also like, for example, Michael was here, Mascis was creative. They're very interested actually to expand with this idea. So that would be an idea. So expanding in both ideas and just see where it goes, yeah? And we also have questions like from the Hong Kong folks, I think they had to leave already. They want to run an event, ah, yeah, Haagen, right? And Haagen yesterday asked me, hey, if we do that in Hong Kong or if we do it in China and then somebody else will copy that event and they will do it as well. And then what do we do? I say, well, yes, that's all we want. Let them copy that, right? I mean like, what if they don't do it the same way? I think then people won't go there anymore. They don't like it, yeah? Or if they do it better, then let's go all there, right? I mean, we don't care. We want to develop all this cool stuff that we are doing and whatever is the best fit for us, we will do it. So if you like this fit, then let's continue, yeah? The Science Center is dedicated to continue with us, but like let's also improve like on like the whole surrounding. So yeah, is that kind of an answer also to your question? Yeah, so yeah. Okay, so yeah, let's do it and let's see how we can do more and let's set up our own next cloud instance next year. I just didn't want to do everything. Develop a software, set up next cloud, make our own network, what else? Yeah, I mean like run the AC system, I don't know. Yeah, so there are a lot of things that we can do. We had some interest. Harish and myself had talked about supporting and using Serval, not so much as a freedom preserving thing, but as a sort of the ability for apps to run completely independently. These are apps that run phone to phone. So two things happened. One was that was the, oh my God, the list was already too long. And the other is we learned many things about Wi-Fi or I did, one of them is it's really hard to do that sort of stuff on a managed network, but we are not completely deterred. We want to make it work. So I very much reached the, we failed this year, but with that sort of stuff, it's not just a, oh that's a good idea. There was actual work on this in the last six weeks where we finally ran into, we haven't got time to finish, but we'd like to be able to support that sort of stuff on the network next year. So yes, I have the same problem. This is the second year I've been sort of doing this and I found two new halls that I've never seen before, like yesterday. It's been, you know, if we don't run a cable through it or hold a session in it, I don't know it exists. So I took some time yesterday to actually go and look at the sort of marine life exhibit, but it's, there's so much to do. You had a... I also like the venue very much, so I just want to continue on that. So that's also the reason because the timings, I mean, nine o'clock in the morning, that's really not any kind of hacker timing at all. And being finished at five o'clock, I mean, you just mentioned the CCC, so we don't start before noon early. So that's also because of the venue, I guess, because they close down at six or something, okay? Yeah, that's part of the reason. And another reason is we're still trying to figure out when actually a lot of people come and what time. So we don't have such a good, we don't track everyone, yeah? All the time. So it's sometimes hard to know because in Asia the times are different, yeah? People like, they get up some very early in the morning and then it's too hot during the day, so there's less activity. So we're still trying to figure out. So if you have any feedback on that, how we can do it better, yeah? Sure. Yeah, and I also would love to have a tour through the house in, from a FossAsia perspective. I think that's a really, really good idea. And I wanna underline this, not only the Dropbox, but also the Slack and the Meetup and the Google Group. So whatever message you sent to me as a speaker, I was always replying, oh, I'm very sorry, but I won't join this. So is there any way I can get information on another way? So it was all like the full communication. I was actually sitting in this IRC channel for months just alone, so yeah. Please come by. Actually we have, if you don't know that we have speakers, Doc FossAsia, Doc O, with all the information for speakers at the event. We've been working on it over the last few years, so every year we improve and we try to put all the information in one place. So if you haven't nobody's yet, yes, it's because of Doc FossAsia. It's also the chat systems, so the fact that we're using what's happening. So it depends like, I'm fully for open source, but the question where you draw the line, so I think we draw the line for what we can do and what we can arrange. So there are other conferences, they try to do everything, but it's sometimes then difficult actually to get the slides, yeah. Well, I'm not so much on Slack for example, we just like, people say they want to use the tool and we want to enable people to communicate. We don't want to stop them. So other people can go on Jitter or Gitter, how's it, yeah. Like it's also, close source, maybe they will, now it's Gitter, maybe they will open source it, yeah. But my personal thing is like always like, I don't know if we want to get into this discussion now because it can be a very deep discussion. We have the German word of Darten spa, some kind, yeah, savvy data. And the question is if we should agree because maybe we should set up services to collect data ourselves. Because like it's not so much only about, do you have the open source solution, but do you actually have the data? We all have the open source solution. We can run Linux, we can program all these web services. So that's a whole different discussion. And just because you have this feeling, it doesn't mean everyone agrees because we want to mainly run an event and we do it as best as we can with the open source solutions, but like we can't distance ourselves completely from the world and run it completely autark. Is that an English word, yeah? Autark, autark. So completely like separated from what's called. So we already try our best. So it would be great to get you on board and I'm sure you have time. We're definitely looking. It's not about giving the next solution. Somebody has to maintain it. That's OK. I have a question for the room before I take Harish's. And it was on the unconference track, which seemed to get limited love. Do people have thoughts about having an unconference track, wanting to do it, not wanting to do it, wanting to promote it differently to people even though we had one? OK, not getting what an unconference is, fair enough. That has to be explained. You had a same? OK. I have a conference that just up on it. How we do an unconference in a 13-track conference is, yeah, that might be the tricky bit. Is there one over there somewhere? No? We're looking at the same time you need to choose one. Wanting to promote it differently to people or not. Life is like a box of chocolates. You don't know what you're going to get. All right, I'm sort of hearing the same things I was hearing in formal ways. OK, thank you. Harish? So I just wanted to record my thanks to the team. It's always fun to have this happen over and over again. Clearly, there's a lot more things that needs to be done. One of the suggestions that I may want to offer is the kind of infrastructure we have been putting in place bit by bit, step by step. We may want to have a wish list of other things that we want to put in so the community can work on trying to fill in the blanks over the next year. Hopefully by the next time around, we have some of the other things that we want to make sure it works well as well. Things like the shared resources, calendaring, whatever it may be. But that's our way of contributing to build up the entire ecosystem of everything that we need to do. So I just want to record that that might be something that we may be able to do list, a wish list of what can be done, what needs to be done, and people can pick it up and run with it and see what they can provide and bring to the table. So the next year, we address those things as well and future iterations of it as well. But finally, I just wanted to record my thanks again for all of you to come here to Singapore. It's always, to me, as a Singaporean, that is a fantastic thing for me to see all of you come here, and we are moving forward. And I was very, very pleased on Friday when the CEO of the government CIO saying that open source is the way to do things. For the government of Singapore to say that, that to me is a big, big plus. So I would, you know, if it can clap loud enough so that the rest of the Singapore government can hear, that would be great. So if this has been recorded, I hope they will hear it. So tweet to gavtech, at gavtech, OK? Tweet to them saying they are doing a fantastic job making sure open source is being used in Singapore government. Because once that happens, there's a lot more things that we can also do. So thank you very much, guys, for doing making this happen. Kiwi. Kiwi. That one, that's a bigger deal than it sounds. Periodically, various Singapore government people sort of slag off open source as the cause of security problems. So I think the shift in the thinking is really important and certainly having someone of that stature in public in front of a free and open source software audience making that argument is a really big piece of progress. Before I kind of back to Hong Fong, I think a thanks is due to Harish as well. He's been a supporter from the outset. He made multiple introductions this year, one of which gave rise to the equipment for the Wi-Fi. So I couldn't done by myself, so it's much appreciated. Thank you. Right, we'll certainly take technical questions. Yes, if anyone has about anything, Wi-Fi certainly, but other things as well. Yep, Vishnu. Yeah, as all are here, why don't we ask them what's the suitable time for starting up in the morning and ending? Yeah, because next time we'll not. Yeah, I have a confession. I didn't get into the conference this morning or yesterday or possibly even Friday before 10 a.m. So I was sitting in an Uber dealing with moderator queries. I don't know if anyone had realized this. Not in the science center. I was just sitting in a car doing stuff. Yeah, 9 o'clock is too early for me. How do others feel? And I know we have venue constraints, so this is more of how the audience feels. What Kira already said, we can maybe do it overnight next year, so yeah. So let's probe this. Who is comfortable starting at 9 a.m.? 10 a.m.? Keep your hand up as we move forward. 10 a.m.? 11 a.m.? No, keep your hand up. We're sort of moving the calendar forward, right? And midday? Right. OK, now we take the hands down. Anyone who'd prefer to start sometime later than midday? Yes. But that's not how we're doing it. Because you'll want to finish at 4 a.m. Right, so yeah, well, that's an interesting one because, of course, if we're running that late, we then start getting into where we crash. In terms of a scheduled finish that'll learn whether we actually arrange overnight stays in the Science Centre. 6 p.m., 7 p.m., 8 p.m. Although also they're linked to that. What about session length? Perhaps sessions that are shorter, slightly? We already use a range all the way from 20 minutes to two or three hours, depending on what they're doing. One to two hour sessions, though, might be a little bit long, so. But they're usually, that's a... It's usually a workshop? It's a workshop or something of that kind. Where was I? Closing times. So, 6 p.m. got no takers, that's great. 7 p.m., 8 p.m., 9 p.m., oh my God. 10 p.m., 11 p.m., midnight or later. Right, so it sounds like we're talking about roughly sort of 11 a.m. to about 10 p.m. As a comfortable set of hours, depending upon what's possible with the venue. Cool, do we want to talk about Kiwi's contribution? Now that he's here. Yeah, Kiwi. Sure, so I'm a logistic man in a way. So just tell me how much beer you need. So enough beer or not? You need more? I think we have enough last night. Yeah, that's me. Okay, so for the... So for the... I would like to hear from the guys from the logistics standpoint. Do you have any issues that you guys want to raise up so that we can do better next year? So logistic come from electrical support equipment to even your food, beer, and so on and so forth. Garson? The team for recording the video created some, let's say, glitches with laptops being able to display it all. I know my talk had a lot of trouble with it. My laptop, it worked perfectly on a VGA cable out of straight to a projector. When going through the recording equipment, the HDMI was basically spent like 15 minutes trying to get it to work. And 20 minutes long. Okay, so... We'll take... Okay, guys, if let's say you guys face a similar problem, can just raise up your hand so we know that it's consistent. This is specifically with plugging laptops into the recording equipment rather than directly into projectors. Yep, so the other question that is plugging into projectors without recording equipment, which was... Yeah, okay, yeah. So we've got half a dozen of each. But the question here would be what operating system you are running, or like, yeah, it's quite a specific question. I mean, how to solve this issue? Just by raising the issue, we don't solve it. Are you all guys running a Mac or is it like the equipment? Do we have to change the firmware? Yeah? I mean, oh, what's the solution? There's a capture device in here and it's a... Exactly. We need to explore its VGA handling capabilities as we still have people with VGA's laptop output. So fair enough. So... Okay. I think that's an action item to pursue and if we need to help you guys with the equipment. Would you like me to address that? Yeah, yeah, if you want. Sorry, please. Hi, hi. Michael here. I run an engineers at SG. Hi, my name's Michael. I run an engineers at SG. I get what you... I get what you... I get the problem that you have. I apologize for the problems that you have. This year, we did try a different configuration because we understand all the rooms had only VGA. So we tried a technical solution which is to use the laptop, our recording laptop as a conduit to project whatever you guys are projecting. The reason we did this was last year we had issues with untrained volunteers operating our system. So we wanted to be sure that we had... We had an edit-proof system. But as it turns out, it does cause some issues with your images being whited out or washed out and being unusable. So I... Right. I see. Sure. Was your talk on the first day or second day? Yesterday. I see. Okay. No worries. Okay, I understand. Oh! Which room was this in? Which room were you in? It was in the schedule. Friday? Okay. So in the Friday room, we also had a technical issue with the laptop that we were using. We had replaced that laptop today. So I apologize that we couldn't fix the problem earlier. We tried our best. Our team is really stretched. We have like five tracks going at the same time. So it was six. I appreciate what you're doing. Don't get it wrong. Next year, look for us. Not going to do that. It's a really good website because it works at Samsung. Yeah, so... Do you work for Samsung? We would appreciate some nice laptops. We'll take the action. Thank you. That's an ongoing bug where and it's one we would like to make work as smoothly as possible. And especially for both the recorded and unrecorded sessions because it's a permanent problem. Understood. I think... Sorry, come here now. Go ahead. Somebody pointed out that we need more software or services so we don't have to use this production stuff. Maybe we can have a... I'd be all for those sorts of hackathon or sprint or call it what you will. Our typical challenge... So yes. And then sort of stepping into implementation detail. Our typical challenge is that a large fraction of FOSATIS attendees, of course, don't live in Singapore or indeed in one place. And so those become slightly more difficult but there's something we're doing. And we will tackle the next cloud and independent system stuff earlier in the piece next year. If there is scope to run that, I think we'll propose it because it's consistent with the stuff you're doing with GSFC and a bunch of other things is to get this stuff built and running in ways that are useful for Open Tech conferences. So we have to see what we can bring together at one event and we're always expanding and spanning but the question should be expand more or more people, sometimes possible, sometimes not. And with a hackathon you also need to focus on the hackathon. So maybe we could organize hackathon with this... FOSATIS, but not at the summit but maybe as we organize other events, also organize hackathons. One challenge, as Roland said, is like, okay, if we do it in Europe, it's easy to go around, nobody needs a visa. And they're bought us everywhere, you just cross them. But here in Singapore it's sometimes challenging or even when you're in Malaysia or Vietnam or wherever you do it. So sometimes it's just like then you get people from that country if you do a hackathon over several days. So I think what I really like about what we achieved here in Singapore is that this is an event where people from many different countries in Asia and from around the world are coming. Let's say there's this great conference in Taiwan, Coast Cup, it's a very Taiwan-Chinese-dominated conference. It's also great, right? But here we have a conference that brings together people from across different backgrounds. So the question is how much could we extend that if we make a hackathon? How much longer could we do that and so on? So stretching already a bit. So yeah, let's maybe separate these things or if you would say let's try it out, you want to organize the hackathon next year. Yeah, it would be cool, okay? So yeah, we can try it out. Okay, so any other logistic issues that you guys want to bring up so that we can make the next fall season better? Just want to make sure. No worries. I think Mario knows about this, but could you guys have some more vegetarian food the next time around? More? Okay, sure, sure, sure. Thank you, thank you. Actually, it's not always that we do order a lot of vegetarians, but then they come, everything's vegetarian with some pork on top. But they were vegetarian pigs. Sometimes it's different what Chinese people think vegetarian or who you talk to. I don't know, we ordered vegetarian. Yes, you have some, yeah. We did that for lunch, so I think at lunch that wasn't an issue. Like we had three different options, yeah? But like at other points, like sometimes we have like for example for the kids, there is like a special kids, IMDA sponsored a small buffet for the kids and you know like the caterer just comes and so there are issues here, so we have to continue improving. So yeah, thank you very much. There's not just one vegetarian, but there are also vegetarians who don't eat roots and so on. So we can always go more into detail like there are 20 options when you go on airlines. So we try our best, like let's improve on that. I think it's already better than last year, the lunch worked out I think, but like the other things have to work better. We need to make more specific and also reconfirm several times that this is real vegetarian. Can I get one more here? Okay, hey, thanks again for the event. It's my first time here and I just thought it was a wonderful thing that our open source community is so big and I actually had a lot of friends come down and they were quite happy about it as well. So thank you. I noticed also some operational challenges. I don't know if it's, I also see some kind of solutions working in place towards that. So I don't know what's going to be like going forward, but I just maybe a good idea to consider having dedicated area leads as well as a dedicated roving leads to go around. So resources are being tied as they are. That way the deployment of resources will be a bit more efficient and communication will be broken as well because if people are responsible for area change I notice communication sometimes suffers as well because people don't know who to look for and who to ask and things like that. Hang on, could you give a more specific example because the question is also how fast you want the change because I see a lot of, we have different groups and there was a lot of communication and usually people came and solved the problem but how fast you can do that. That's great, that's great. I was part of the team. I mean people asked, hey, you're missing adapters and stuff like that, okay, sure, why not? I'm nearby, I just helped out. But I also noticed, I mean, there was supposed to be some student volunteers I think in a specific area and we went in there with nobody and things like that happening. I mean I was originally intended to kind of rove around as well to make sure that because we have a lot of new volunteers handling equipment, just making sure that things keep working but I couldn't do that because I was kind of stuck there and I suspect maybe for certain dedicated teams as well like people handling the t-shirts or the few handling, getting guests around or just running, making sure that things get supplied to where they need to go, getting access. Maybe you could have a dedicated IC to rove around and then do that as well as people in areas that don't have to move so that communication stays as well as they get resources they need like food and drinks and maybe the speaker's missing or find a speaker, things like that. I don't know if that's specific enough I can always chat a bit more. I think what we need is to reconfirm that speakers are there which is quite challenging because everyone's from a different country and telephone number and they might not check and how can we actually check and suddenly we're running around and they're already in the room. This happened a few times. There were sort of urgent messages from moderators 15 minutes before a session like, help us find this person and you're at one minute before the session the person just appears again and again and so I, yeah, I don't know. But you're raising an important point which is the volunteers. I think like we should like the volunteers this year did a great job. So I want to specifically thank the volunteers for their fantastic work. So I think there was especially one volunteer we would like to mention Hon Phuk. Yeah, you can take the mic. So, we have a group of volunteers come from Denman High School. Ah, Rapprio, you are here. Please come here to the front. Good timing. Okay, thank you so much for all your help a lot of treating going on over the weekend and he also, so he teaches Mr. Guy he's not able to make it here this year and he took over the position of the head of the whole Denman High School volunteers and coordinated volunteers and help a lot. Joining the event, thank you so much. How old are you? How old are you? How old are you? I'm currently 15. 15! So what we achieved this year is like we had volunteers from last year training volunteers, new volunteers. Yeah, we are on a good path. And yeah, how about you join as a volunteer coordinator? No, I'm talking to you. Definitely. Volunteer coordinator next year, so thanks for onboarding. Yeah, also our volunteer for the camera crew, right? Just want to come back to you all the challenges that we have. If you look at the program every day we have about nine to ten different jacks. It's also a very big challenge for us to make sure that everything runs smoothly. Yeah, and seeing we are at the content any one thing that we have that too many jacks at Force Asia? Any one thing that the content is too big or too little? One question at a time. Raise your hand if you think that it's too big. At least for the technical talks I believe twenty minutes are a little bit less time for the technical content to explain. The second, like some tracks could have been the full day track. It's okay what we have now but if we have a full day track it could have been better. Just say it. We can expand four days. No, we can just do one track from month. Yeah. So I agree. So that's a constraint of the location and so we are progressing on that. So that's also what we see. Actually with the tracks we expanded them a bit to like most sessions were actually 25 minutes and we gave them half an hour slot. So we told the people 25 minutes but they actually had half an hour because preparation and something doesn't work. But yeah, let's see how we figure that out. So the idea is now with the system that we have in place the open event system to give, we weren't ready to implement this year but to give track organizers more control over their track. Yeah. Not just like communicating by email how they wanted, it's time consuming but give them like their track organizers and they can manage their track as they like. So this way it will also become a better solution. Who from Singapore here? Who all are here? People who live in Singapore, hands up please. From Singapore next year. That would be my question. There are many people, as you can see there are too many of us coming outside Singapore. Participants, you have to grow this event, right? Yeah, I think the key here is, the key thing here is about the time and the timing. If you realize now that this, we are not the location or size centre, the time slot given to us, we can try to find a better timing to de-conflict from exam period because this is what happened now. At the same time, there are also the kind of like lower secondary or primary schools holiday where most Singaporeans actually spend their holidays overseas. So this period, in fact, is not the ideal period. So again, I have, in fact, at the beginning of the organizing of Forsager, I raised this out knowing the concern. So we will work with size centre or perhaps even other location if they give us so that we can have a much better time window to capture more Singaporean crowd. But also like, I don't know, Singapore is actually, even there's a nation, it's extra just a city. So if you think, if you organize an event in Pune and like so many people come over three days, maybe you would say, okay, that's great because in India they would come like from different parts of India maybe, like if you have a big event. Just a bit of feedback about the program. I think the program is really great, but I think one suggestion, if it's possible, can you also put like, what's the level of prerequisite knowledge that, so we can join like one track. For example, like in the first day, the track from Bonnie Huang, the GP Tronics, it's really good. And I think it's everyone can join that without specific knowledge. But there are certain tracks that once we get in and then there is so much abbreviation and so much term, technical terms that we don't understand. And we feel like, oh, I think it's the wrong room because I don't know anything about what it just presents. I want to know more like the basic understanding about the technology, but apparently that's part of like intermediate or like advanced knowledge. So probably like some tracks can have additional information like this is for beginner, this is for intermediate or this is for advanced or more like people with technical knowledge about that special subject. So this is exactly what we're going to have next year. So in our brand new event J system, when you submit for talk next year you will see different level to classify as a beginner, intermediate or advanced. So we have the function implement already. We didn't use this for this year, but next year we have it. Okay? Are we finished? Anything else? One more here. Two more. Hang on. Just talk about this point, just continue this point. I find out there's one thing a little bit frustrate me. I'm my first time here joining this conference. I find that you see that you have I don't know maybe 100 talks in two days, but I rely on the information online to find out which one is I'm interested but it's difficult. I find out some of the abstraction there's zero statement, there's no statement, and some of them are there's a very long statement that I have no time to read it. I don't want to spend hours time to read it because I want to quickly find the topic that I want. I'm interested. So if you can I mean I have more organized or more well screened for those brief introduction that would be a lot of help. I mean certainly we should curate the the seminary of the talks. So to answer the first problem that you mentioned so let's just say just some brainstorming. Let's just say that we have a bulletin just on the board every day for you to refer and look at the talks. Will that work for you? Okay, so speakers do you hear that? When you submit please make your abstract really clear and concise so that the attendees can understand easily. That's your job, not us. So two more. Yeah, there was a lot of variation on the different abstracts. So some of them were empty. Some of them just included a description of the bio of the person but not what the person was going to talk about. And then there was another one. There were some of them that were originally they were in different lines and all the new line characters had been lost. So it was like a block of text completely unreadable and I think those are the ones he's referring to. It was like very difficult to decipher what they were about especially considering you had to browse the whole list all the time to find what you were looking for. That would be really useful. It would be what is next on the website because you had to literally browse up and down to find it took me like an hour and a half or two Friday night and Saturday night each day to shortlist what I was interested in copy everything over into my own calendar and then I knew what was going on simultaneously and I could choose on the fly but if that was on the page that would have set me four hours of my life. So actually we're getting really much into detail already. This is already like several issues that we should post on github but like the thing is also we know these issues. Some of these issues just import issues HTML but the question was should we go with our system and give some pressure to the developers over there and get some open source project that we use and we made a lot of progress. So I think with you there are also some design issues so I will relate them to Victoria who already volunteered to make a usability kind of track or even like an event or something. Lots of ideas are there. So this is on all of us. Still the page was very usable even from the phone. I mean that was kind of quite cool. Another suggestion I don't know if you have considered using something like Slido I think is the name of it that enables audiences to engage on the fly during the talk or at the end of it like the last five minutes I don't know if there is an open source solution for that but I've seen it in other events and it's really cool because you can see the voting on the fly going on on the screen so you have like five questions made by the speaker so for instance for the speakers themselves to get feedback especially those that were speaking for the first time that is incredibly useful because it tells them okay did my talk was my talk clear or something like that was the level appropriate to the audience and that kind of stuff. This is already very specific in a tech discussion or in a discussion about the software project we have considered a lot we wanted what was possible and also their considerations like do we want to run our own server apart on this conference for example like our static web app is always a very good backup because if the server is not working it doesn't matter we can still have the static web app we know like I'm a fan of this Chaos Communication Congress but I don't remember any year it wasn't down it aren't these the best hackers and the best devs of the world meeting there so what yeah so that's so that's the thing so we wanted a web app that's like can be deployed to GitHub static and it will work so it is always online and let's do for next year like a calendar view or something like that as well whatever we can do yeah and or like some bookmarks all these kind of things so final one final piece of feedback before we wrap thank you so just a comment on the logistics discussion just now I was in the Faraday room yesterday and the Lamb in the projector was a long pass replacement date I could hardly read the screen like one meter away but at least try to make sure that the projectors whatever the projection actually visible from a reasonable distance away all right thank you so to address this first I'll bring this point to SignCenter because they pay for it they have to change it the second part will be you're right so let's just say that we'll do kind of a pre-event check so indeed if there is something down we can get some portable one to kind of replace it so to speak is that ok with you well in that case FOSSASIA 2017 is closed thank you very much what can happen now what can happen now so now ish I don't know what time it is so pretty much now if you go one floor down and then across to Newton and up the stairs then