 We gon' talk, we gon' have fun We be on fire, we be league hustle Big shit, big shit, big shit, huh It's a unique hustle, nigga big shit Big shit, big shit, big shit, huh Name another podcast like this Check it, check it, check it It's a unique house, it's your boy E.C.O. And I'm here with the lovely official, Ms. Jamaica Walk on, you know my dad? Hey man, so hey man, we are special guests today, man And I know, I say it all the time Yeah, but we serious today Say man, this guy right here, man Brought us all kind of sounds, man And you know, to be honest with you, man The city, it's certain ones you think about When the movement was going on in the city You know what I mean? Some of them you know, you seen them And they did their thing But this guy right here really did his thing, man Check it, man, the road music is in the building What up the road? What's up with it? Say man, we glad to have you, man I see now I can do broadcasting I thought I could do it I gotta wait till you get here, nigga You know what I'm doing? I feel you, I feel you I think we gonna make it official Say man, it's official now You know what I'm saying? I've been talking trash, boy You know what I'm saying? Cause I felt like we needed a platform down here, man I feel like we doing the city justice What you think? You been checking us out a little bit? Man, I got to see a few clips To be honest with you You know what I'm saying? But you know, I saw a few clips And I'm for anybody that's really trying To put on for city I see You know what I'm saying? I mean if it's real You know, I'm talking about Especially if they, you know Trying to do it the right way You know what I'm saying? Cause the city need it The city need multiple outlets There's a lot of stuff going on in the city But the city need multiple outlets You know what I'm saying? I saw, I could see that That's what y'all are, you know Building and trying to build You know what I'm saying? Thank you, man Man, listen, man We had, I got it like a year Before we started But then COVID hit Yeah And then I was like, man Me and my co-host, Melanie Modes We was in here by ourselves You know what I mean? Putting it together Cause the store been here For like 14 going on 15 years Yeah, yeah So I was like, man We gonna do a podcast, man I say, and it gotta be the best You know, I'm extremist If it ain't good Hey, man She know how I am It's all the way turned up But we ain't doing it You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I feel you Yeah, so I just like, man We gotta get this thing rolling And a lot of people have read I love the people that Came through Everybody that been so solid With like from the radio station From all of our guests, man J-Cruz, V-Local All the people that really, you know I felt like, you know They've been working in the city And representing us I'm trying to get baby I've been working on them I know that's your boy Yeah, yeah, yeah You gotta get in the zero So I'm gonna say When you get them on there Tell them to come Hey, man I got a lot to say today So I don't wanna go too fast Let's talk about you Yeah, yeah Yeah You gotta put baby on the spot I'm gonna FaceTime There you go You gotta make baby commit Right on the spot Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah See, that's what I like I'm gonna try and get them This is how you be doing me So I'm gonna do this I'm gonna get me right on the spot Yeah, once you Once you commit to it It's done Yeah Man, I know y'all have been here Because a lot of people Been getting that If you go to a lot of places I go to Yeah Yeah, when you get back to town Man, I got something I got something I want I want to do for you too You know Like a face shield We got touch and skin I told them already The road coming through there Because they did 50 and they did They do baby Baby, go there He's going there Matter of fact, I've been knowing this Being that he'll be going there Friday Yeah, and just say soon You don't have to tell him When you go in No, no, no, Friday Y'all want to catch him down there Touch and skin But tell us You from Lancaster Yeah, yeah, yeah So tell I'm originally from Glendale, though Actually Really? Yeah, Glendale Clutes Well, in the 19th Get the hell out of there Oh, Clute We moved to Lancaster Like when I Probably got like third grade Something like that I got a lot of stuff coming up Because I play ball Yeah, yeah, yeah So everything I tied Before rapping Everything that was tied to me Was sports You know what I'm saying Now that happened at Lancaster Because Lancaster was the place At that time and even now It was a place to go for Hooping Football Land Trek You know what I'm saying And you know I was going to do Basketball and Trek But I ended up just doing Basketball and You know Was you good Because a lot of people say They play ball Listen, man I don't know if y'all If y'all do your research You'll see when it comes To all these little celebrity games I'm always killing it Last one I played with Before COVID was The two chain Snoop Dogg And LA Adidas How you doing? I want MVP Really? I don't know how two chains Can play Yeah, but they can't play Like No I had four scholarships Like I really was a baller You know what I'm saying What about J. Cole I heard he been J. Cole can play I heard he for the Playing Africa On a league But honestly Honestly, look I don't think homie Can touch me I seen him play He can play I play with boys Like Chris Brown Yeah We play on the regular He really can ball Like You know what I'm saying He can play at a level That's a high level And that's out of the Music industry Them the type of people I hook with Yeah You got a lot of rappers Out here that look Like they can hook Because they'll post Some clips on the ground With them I see yellow and Thomas Them They ain't close To a They ain't close They not close To what I'm talking about Yeah man That's hot though I like the fact that You confident man I can't wait We got to do a celebrity One here in Dallas One where we can bring All of the All of the ones The known names Put them up on their court Let's see what they got Let's see what they Tell them about it We can do that We've done a few in Dallas The Boosie game Boosie used to do a few I did a few on Back in the day But we ain't doing Recently I ain't Not a big one You know what I'm saying So Let's get to it I want to know Just give us a layer But even before that I want to know What was it like Growing up with 11 siblings Oh man So I'm the youngest Right They was all older So only in the house It was only probably At the most It was only probably Like four or five of us How much younger How much younger The one before you The next one to me Yeah Three years older Three years And then You know it was like Five and then Like every three years Every three But then once It just goes up Like you know what I'm saying You're mama's strong Eleven kids Yeah so you know You know I mean I was the youngest So it was a little different For me You feel me Like I was the one That I was spoiled with the love You know what I'm saying I got the love from everybody Did everybody play sports? Yeah One of my brothers Armand You know what I'm saying He actually Was on his way to The NFL Before some stuff happened You know He still got One of the fastest Trek times He went to Texas Tech Yeah nigga You can't do that Yeah I said Nigga you talk all that talk Four to nine You know My brothers play They play football I was like the only one That really pursued basketball Basketball Yeah yeah yeah So that's how it happened So growing up You growing up Okay when did the talent For the music When did that kick in For you when you said The role For the new music High school You know what I'm saying High school I always had a love For music You know what I'm saying As far as like I remember Being even Before junior high Like being a little kid And I was always Writing music Like I would listen to the radio And then I would try I would write the lyrics From the songs And then I would try And like make my own To the To the song Same song But I wasn't doing it From thinking Like I wasn't trying To be a rapper Yeah yeah yeah Something I was just doing Because I was just mostly Into sports Sports It went to like high school Made my sophomore year When I was really inspired By watching rap You feel me That was me being inspired By the sexes hip hop movement The stuff that was going on In Houston And even here in Dallas With the DSR And all that That's when I was inspired Because you get to see it In your back yard So I jumped right out Right out the porch Doing mixtapes And I had success Immediately as far as just At least what I felt You know I played ball And I was like the captain Of the basketball team So I had a lot of influence So you know Going through school And I dropped mixtapes And I already had fans People that was following me From sports They listened to it And it was already dope So I built a quick following Following my music Just in high school Amongst the people At the high school You know what I'm saying And then that You know When we used to run out To the music at the basketball All games and all that You feel me So I built my immediate First fan base From my high school Which was Lancaster High School And then the whole Surrounding areas And then I think Tom Tom Was from over there Yeah Tom Tom That's where Tom from Between Lancaster and Cleveland Yeah that's it And I was inspired by Tom Tom Yeah you said it You know Seeing Tom Tom Now I'm doing it Is really what gave me the incentive Because now it's really In my backyard It's doable You feel me So sometimes you got to see When you see it happening around You know that Something is doable Yeah And that's what happened with me When I was in high school I got inspired by What they was doing And then I just did My thing And then I went to PV That's when I really Well that was a PV Yeah that's when I really Made my rap career Well that was a nigga That I never wanted to do That bone That bone So PV Then at the same time Bone Yeah At the same time The party boys The hit the flicks Yeah At the same time Kerco Bangs Down there DJ Choles Down there At the same time That's a lot of talent Superstar with the Holly Bear Yeah We made the original Holly Bear sound Yeah This was like a motown At this time PV was Was popping Popping What did you major in When you graduated Uh business Marketing Yeah Business Marketing Was my major Is that how you end up Mess with the cowboy And all that You used my I just kinda Yeah I just kinda I just kinda I just kinda I just kinda I just kinda I just kinda I just kinda I just kinda I just kinda I just kinda I just kinda I just kinda year on a basketball scholarship. I went to St. Mary's and I just didn't like the the atmosphere just what it was a Catholic school you feel me just the only thing that would have been popping was basketball yes and so you know I'm here to go to orientation down at PV and I and I went and I really wasn't in the mindset of even going to school if it weren't for hooping and I knew I could have went to PV and hoop I could have you know I did that but when I went down there it was a whole nother thing the orientation was just popping it was like seven to one they was like oh the women the men ratio is seven to one and I saw it and I saw it and then I and on the first day of orientation it was a party on the campus and it was like a real party so like they had the DJ and everything I had mixed tapes already so I'm out there passing that mixed tape you know I even grabbed the mic you feel me so I turn right then immediately I saw PV as a as a as a way yeah opportunity for the music and I took advantage of it on the first day and literally I built like a fan-based straight right man but the thing I can say about you man when I first heard you man I ain't gonna like I'm a music guy you already been hearing me talk I love music your sound to me sounded like it could cross over yeah like immediately yeah I'm there cuz I re honored like that too yeah certain people when I hear them rap when I hear them sing they automatically sound like they can cross over yeah you gotta work with you nothing when I heard ice cream paint job I'm like this could go anywhere yeah yeah I was experiment you ever heard that before I mean once I once I got into the game I mean yeah cuz you weren't thinking about that at first because yeah I didn't even realize like even to this day and especially when I first got in the game when I was started traveling when I first started traveling and going like Cali and New York and all this stuff they would always talk about my accent that's from Texas we don't hear no accent from nobody we don't look at it like that it's from you go out that's right but I used to experiment when I was doing mixtapes on a lot of up-tempo beats okay and that during that time especially nobody was doing that it was always slow that's right so you know that that kind of gave me a little bit that gave me like a different type of approach with the music and it changed my tone you know I'm saying and I adapted to that and I started rapping on up-tempo beats when nobody else was yeah so like even ice cream paint job especially during that time 90 BPM was fast that's right for Texas music you know I'm saying so like I never that's why I didn't think it would resonate and blow up like it did and it didn't and it ended up blowing up in Cali because of that tempo you know I'm saying and then it came back but I was just working on a mixtape and I was just like I like this but I don't think you know I'm saying Dallas or Texas gonna really rock with it yeah yeah yeah and I mean it ended up and actually Dallas did rock with it you know I'm saying it just it just it just took on a life of its own plus I still I was grinding off the Holly Berry buzz and the walk that walk buzz so it was just a lot of sudden mixtapes stuff that was happening at PV I was killing PV I was like that that guy down there and PV was just PV was if you can make your stuff pop at PV you out of there and that that's what it was at that time and and because I had that on like I had all these different things going on that that made it once I dropped ice cream paint job it just boom I had my space popping I was like the second biggest artist after soldier ball was number one yeah I was like number 22 or number three yeah my space in general yeah and this before the concept of viral even existed yeah yeah so I didn't really know what that really meant but that helped me a lot too because when I put ice cream paint job on my space it blew up from there that's how I got the character DJ even got it serious so that's that's that's when I start understanding what the internet was but when I when I seen you when I seen you first come on the scene you know I got the old school you know I'm the old school king so I had a Chevelle when you did that see you put y'all put the move on man I don't know if that was baby car for real I don't know if the nigga on that car I don't know what from the video yeah yeah yeah just got it yeah let me talk about that let me let me go cuz of this nigga right now you know you're my old-school cat right so I seen the car and I don't know if he's still got it or not but I really want to get a nigga challenge nigga the old school challenge nigga debate I got the blue Chevelle yeah with the stripes you know we can do the video again nigga I'll pay for it nigga yeah he still got it matter of fact I told baby I'm gonna get it from y'all do y'all buy it from baby you know I got it you know it's in the garage and I'm serious about it man you know I'm talking so I love that car man yeah so so how how'd y'all come up with that video who shot it Dr. T. Dr. T. man shout out to Dr. T. you know what's crazy is ice cream paint job and walk their walk could we shot them at the same time we shot them one day in the next day we shot the other one the first my first video ever was ice cream paint job so I had never shot a video before I had had a million mixtase a lot of music out but never shot one video so that was the first time Dr. T came up with the concept and I remember I was gonna use I had a Cadillac at the time and I was gonna use my Cadillac and then I remember baby called me and then he knew we used to shoot the video and I and he was like man you tell me I remember he was like man you talking about clean on the inside cream on the inside clean on the outside he's like hey I just got something out the shop you send me a picture of the car and I just like yeah I got used for killing my leg you know I'm saying anything so I was a cutler's what yeah it was a cutler's yeah it was a cutler's and Dr. T. now I'm you know wrote it in the treatment you know so that's why I was like the valet in the video like I'm not a baby car and took it for us a spin yeah that was the concept of the video you end up going out at any time you talk about cars man baby that's the challenge man we're gonna do the ice cream paint job challenge all you got to do is pull up you know I'm talking about but go ahead I know you got something miso-officer Jamaica let's go y'all been rolling you know I get caught up in it man because I'm a music guy yeah I remember the movement man and I was just so proud of the city for people to put eyes on us because you know how they shot back about the south so yeah certain things that made them respect us not feel like your movement was one of those movements cuz I love the way how you represented Dallas because when I came here and I started listening to music you're one of the I loved all of your songs but it was nobody could mention your name without mentioning Dallas yeah that's what I loved about what you did you represent it because a lot of people they get big and they forget about where they're from they just do their thing yeah yeah it was hard because I remember you know a lot of people they had came people was it was associating people from Dallas or even when I first came out it was associating us with Houston so much that I that's why I rep Dallas so hard you did and I made that like my my my whole thing to be you know Dallas wrapped up cuz I wanted people to know the difference between Dallas and Houston because they always was putting me in the Houston box and I and I rock what he was I stayed you know I said but it was just you know Dallas just a different place so you know I put it I made sure I made it a part of my whole little mission really you know put the city on well Houston had enough fire and heat coming from that area they didn't need your help that's when my boy all of them was living big Hawking all of them everybody was when you first came out yeah they were selling them to you know they sell a screw tape and they sell a regular it was it was the it was actually CDs during that time yeah yeah and they had it I was like man we killing them I think of Texas the whole thing like we killing we double selling down there they hit me twice so I know they're hitting everybody else so let me ask you a question so how hard it cuz you've been around from when mixtape CDs all of that how hard was it for you to transition from that stage of music to where we're at right now I came yeah it's like my whole career been a transition like soon as I got in it was ending the CDs and it was going into the digital the hardest time actually was from 2012 to 2016 okay you know cuz that was the that's when it's really so it was like I was used to I was that rapper that was selling mixtapes out the trunk and are passing them out I always hit physical mixtape Mike Joe said the same yes so around this time 2012 2016 it was kind of hard because it was most people's getting on digital still have people on the CDs I was I was moving around this one I was now moving around in Cali and if you weren't really going to like the hoods people want on CDs you know I said so it was kind of hard for me to like get to my fan base like I would normally would you know I said so I just learned the digital side yeah I just learned the digital game at that point and I mean I just focused on making the music and just getting better at my craft and it just it's just started coming back around and I just learned the digital the digital side because a lot of people don't know how it's hard a lot of people that's why a lot of people you see it too don't you because even some people came on there like that's why we're not on social media as much because we don't know how they don't know how I'm on the phone with these kids and some of these are big people yeah I'm on the phone with these guys now it's a different they two different worlds yeah for me and I mean luckily for me like I always kind of just traveling helped me adapt to a lot of stuff you know yeah I started traveling like even you know during this time you know I was spending a lot of time on the West Coast I was you know I stayed in New York for a little bit stayed in Atlanta for a little bit went to went to Japan you know I started traveling a lot and as I was traveling that's when I started really adapting to everything because you know I was seeing it from different angles and that's what helped me out personally and I started meeting a lot of people that was helping me well not necessarily helping me out but you know just being around it you get the influence and that's how I learned a lot about how did you how did you end up collabing with the Cowboys like you did during that time so 2013 I had a song called Out the Party that was big and LA DJ must have produced it yeah DJ must yeah and and I came back to Dallas and I forgot where I was but like oh it was actually it was actually through Instagram it was a it was a fan that worked for the Cowboys reached out to me and you know said ask me could I make an anthem yeah oh you did for the Cowboys 2013 so that fan brought me in the door actually when that fan hit me up I hit this dude up named Ben shout out to Ben he went to PV with me and he went to Langston you know he was a little older than me but he I knew he had some type of attachment with the Cowboys he worked with him so when that fan hit me up I hit him up and I told him what was going on he brought me in I made an anthem for the Cowboys and and they used it you know 2013 we shouted and everything and that started the relationship and then after that I did it the next year and then after that we end up I didn't do the deal of the 2016 you know I'm saying so that grew into them giving me like sweets to the games and you know one time I was at a sweet in the game and I met the head of marketing for the Cowboys we got this you know I'm saying chopping it up and you know I said I kind of brought up the idea like hey I been doing these animals I think we can do something bigger you feel me he was like what you got in mind I was just like man this a lot we can do a merch deal and he's like say no more three days later I'm in the office but you know that's a business kick yeah yeah yeah that's a great that's that PV business before you actually picture pitched it a year actually thinking about it well once I started going to the games and I was getting them sweets. I was like, yeah, this big. No, I gotta make this bigger. Just doing the anthem. That's cool. I like that. But I was like, no, I gotta. So once I started getting them sweets, I was just thinking about it. But it wasn't I mean, once I brought it up a week later, I was signing the contract. Yeah, that's crazy. That's favor. God will give you favor. Yeah, yeah, we was signing the contract and I couldn't believe it because it had never been done before. You know what I'm saying? Like, even to this day, nobody have done a deal with an NFL team, not a rapper. Oh, I know. That's what I'm saying. That's heavy. So I couldn't believe that it was happening like that. And, you know, we got some stuff that's coming in line for this year, you know, I said, so it just it keep amplifying and you know, can you talk about those things? Even just a little bit just to get us. I can just talk about the music side of it right now. You know what I'm saying? When I lock in the mother's situation, then I'll talk about it. I've been talking back and forth with boss man fact that just came signed in, you know, he rap. He just he'll he'll he just signed with him. He signed with the Cowboys. He signed with the Cowboys. Second round of boss man fact. Look him up. Okay. He'll rap, but he he on the he had a corner or he a defensive end. I think he's a corner corner. He a corner, but he okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know it'd be like, you know, the players be having some rappers, you know. Yeah, he'd be wanting to get in there, but he was in the market is Lawrence rap too. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I remember before he left too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, Kobe, actually, he was nice. He was nice. Actually, like I heard a few, I actually heard some, I actually heard him on, I think I'm on a sway show. Yeah. Like he really went into it. Like he really took the hip hop and went and him and uh like Damien Lillard, they really did stuff in the hip hop world or like make them a little more, you know, more than just uh uh uh uh uh athlete that was rapping. Yeah. You know what I mean? Kobe, he was actually nice, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Check out. Check out boss man fact. Yeah. You know, I definitely check him out. Because I've been I was like, hey, I got the road coming over today, boy. Look, you better, when you get to Dallas, if you are in Dallas, you better come through. He like, I'm coming through bed. So, I say, we can talk about the music or we can talk about football. It don't matter to me because I had uh uh what's oh, Jack Taylor was just on here too. Okay. Yeah, I'll be having, I'll be, it don't matter to me. Yeah, we don't just talk about rap. Yeah, whatever you want to do. Yeah, yeah, nah, that's that's that's dope, you know what y'all call it boss talk. That's why you had to be here. We try to help people because there's so many people whether want to be in your shoe, whether want to be on the business and or want to hear about like something that you've been through mentally, physically, and they're going through that. So, they want to know how to overcome the situation that they're in. So, we use this platform to help people. Yeah, behind the microphone, a lot of things start to happen, you know what I mean? And people see you, they hear you and therapeutically, we feel like some young cat out there might hear some, you say it makes, you know, because they didn't have these platforms like this before. Right. You know, the radio channel, the radio ain't is, it ain't like that no more. So, this thing is transitioning like that as well, just like the music did back in the day. Now, the radio waves is mostly podcast is just taking over the scene and people when they come to cities, they're looking for different bloggers and podcasts and stuff they can get in so they can really understand what's going on, you know, for us in the inner city. So, I think, you know, we had, I don't know if you know, what was his name, Southern Fried Marketing was on here the other day. Yeah, he just was here, like we didn't a lot of good people through here like yourself, you know, and I feel like this is the one for the city, man. I think we, I think we doing the city justice and we gonna keep grinding, you know, I'm hustler. So, you gonna see the video, I put out more footage than anybody. Every day. Every damn day, you gonna see where my boy get on every damn day. So, my question, my next question to you, I see you have that 6-3. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a new name. Where did that name come from? What's the inspiration behind that and what does it represent? So, 6-3 is a, I mean, I guess the best way to look at it from your perspective. Is that how tall you are? I'm 6-3. They call me that when I play ball just on some nickname stuff. And I've been using it in, it been probably since, man, for like the last almost eight, nine years, it been in like mixtapes, it been on the rap. I just never officially used it, you know what I'm saying? Now, it's more like a, it'll be like 6-3 is signed to the road. It's like another artist, you feel me? Not necessarily, you can call it an alter ego, but I wouldn't say that, you feel me, because this is official brand. I'm the only rapper in the world with two brands that's official though, as far as, like you can go to Spotify right now, and Apple Music and Tidal, and I got a 6-3 page, and I got a Dero Music page. Damn. It ain't, you know what I'm saying, literally. See, I thought it was because a lot of people be switching their names and just changing their names over time. No, no, no, it ain't like Titty Boy 2 Chainz. It ain't like that. You know, when he changed, because that's what people compared to and think that it's not necessarily that, because he changed, I personally think he had to, he couldn't use Titty Boy commercially. Yeah. I think that's, and then he went and then turned up with it and, you know, he did a great job. Mine, I'm keeping Dero Music. Matter of fact, I got two singles out right now. One of them a 6-3 record, one of them a Dero Music record. Wow. And they just differing, you know, I'm going different directions with them. You know, long story, short to make it easier for the, you know, the listener is right now to make it easy. It's like 6-3 would kind of be more the turn up music, the bangers, you feel me? Dero is more, more the substantial, more the brand, more the Texas shit, it's more of the, it's more of me, the, the, the, the, me, the who I am as a person, the family man, you know, I'm a father, you know what I'm saying? The business side of the stuff, you know, the cab, that's more who Dero is. Yeah. You feel me? Dero more like this right here, you know what I'm saying? You're on the podcast, this one, 6-3, more the rapper, you feel me? Okay. So that would be kind of a way to put it, but it's even, it's broader than that as the music come out in the visuals come out, that's what's going to explain it more. So who was the one that did the rings the other day and had the rings? That's 6-3. Okay. When I throw out a jewelry on and do out a flat, whenever I get in that mode, that's more like the 6-3 shit. That's hot. When I'm more like laid back like now, you know, I'm just, you know what I'm saying? Casual. That's Dero. That's Dero, you know what I'm saying? But everybody has that in them, everybody have that part that is like when you want to dress up party and show out whatever. And everybody had it and I'm showing people how to express it. Everybody don't know how to capitalize and market it in a way that they can get paid for it. Exactly, you know what I'm saying? Because I'm doing different deals with them. Like a 6-3 shows a different price from a Dero show. I literally got two, I literally got two from the new, to two albums that I'm coming out with this year. It's two different deals with two different labels. That's it. Two is more expensive. You know what I'm saying? Right now, Dero, right now Dero the bigger brand, obviously. 6-3 brand, I'm building this. So if you don't want to get to Dero, that's a, that's a different price, you know what I'm saying? Right now, 6-3, you know what I'm saying? I can give you 6-3, but I can't get, if you can't afford Dero, you can get 6-3. Yeah, but by the end of this year it might be flip, you know what I'm saying? Because I got, yeah, it's a lot going on right now. I like the way you, I always think about the things that I wouldn't have thought about the artists when they get here. The mark, the brand, you know, you would have thought it was somebody really pushing behind. I'm not saying you don't have a team, but just talking to you, I can tell that you do a lot of stuff. Yeah, I'm always, I push out my ideals and everything got to my team. And I'll start with me, like, because I can't be managed. I'm like, some people, I can be managed, but it has to be, like, I have to put everything on the table and then the manager got to grab it and manage it. Like, because everything come from you. Yeah, yeah, it's hard to explain. No, no, I see it. No, I see it. I'll get artists, like, holding certain artists, like, maybe like a Rick Rose, maybe like, they can't really be managed. They got to manage themselves, but they got to have a team. Yes. You get what I'm saying? So it's just certain, that's more like I am, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know, and I've had, you know, management, I even have a, you know, management team. No, I have a manager, but it's different. It's more like a team. I don't really look at my situation like that. I look at it. I like the way you explain it. Now, I like to explain it, because I love the way how you explain it, but my question is, okay, you have a management team, and you've been doing this business a long time. How many management teams have you had during your time? So when I came out to the world, I had one manager Mike moves swing from from from old nine to probably like 2013. Then I had, I've only, then I had a, I've only had probably two or three official managers, you know what I'm saying? But a team, the team, because you know now the team is different, so like because it's hard to find good people, and I'm trying to see how many people you had to really go through before you found it. I've had different, so when I was at PV, my team was my homies, which was the prime time clique. That's where they come from. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who are you? I brought back memories. Yeah, yeah, prime time clique. That was my homies. That was just my friends. You know what I mean? They wrapped, and we was out of the team, and you know, I used to just come and make the play, and we ran the play. So that was my initial, and I had a DJ say, I came in the game with a DJ. DJ Merck, he was kind of like really my first manager, but he was my DJ, so I wanted him to be branded as a DJ, so I was just like, hey, we should focus on the DJ side and he was the CEO of this and that. He got out the game, you know, some years after, you know, everything happened, but I came in with a DJ, so my homies and my DJ was all I really needed at the time. We were so savvy with how we marketed and did stuff, dealing with the PV, so we kind of like learned a lot of stuff at PV. You know, I said, not necessarily from the school side of it, but from the social side of it. So we just learned how to do everything we need to do ourselves, and that lasted for a long time, and then over the years, you know, I tapped in with different people, and you know, I get like a PR here for a time, you know what I'm saying, and now I got like, I probably got a hand full of people that just, you know, that are stuck around, and that hand full of people is pretty much all I really need, you know what I'm saying? Because I need people to know you, so when you say certain things, you don't have to go into too much detail there. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying, I got a, you know, I got a couple of my day ones around, and then I got a couple of new, new energy people around, so I just balance it out, you feel me? But at the end of the day, it still stems from what I'm doing, my music, my vision, my passion, all that stuff, so it's still a lot of weight has always been on me, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It always, it always been that way, you feel me? Going back to your awards, in 2009, when you were nominated for the BET Awards, that was your first nomination, right? How did that feel when you got the news about that? Man, I mean, I had got the news about three of them, and that was big because it was three of them, and then I also performed that year on the awards, so I was more, I was more happy about the performance, but you know, when I, when I ended up watching, because I didn't watch the performance, I mean the show until maybe like a week later, because I was moving around somewhere, but when I saw it, and then you know, it was just coming on, it was showing the different nominations and who I was in with, I was just like, that's when it hit me with the nominations, but you know, I was just happy to be nominated, you feel me when, and but I was more happy to perform, you feel me? Because the performance wouldn't guarantee that first, you know, they, you know, they want, the record was growing right before the show, and they would just, they was like, well we got to have them on the performance. I actually was nominated before I was told about the performance, so I was having about the nominations, when they told me I was performing, yeah, I wasn't even thinking about the nomination no more. Yeah, so do you, so how do you like what's going on with Dallas now, like the whole movement, yeah, like Post Malone and all the different people, you know, that's kind of channeling in, and really, really, he's the one that kind of, yeah, you know, he's really the one that kind of, you know, you're a part of what made it happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you are, you're a reason for the season, baby. Yeah, you know, it's been an expansion, you feel me? You know, I'm glad to see the city grow and continue to grow in different type of counterparts come in the city, because when I first came out, it was like a lot on my back for a long time, so I'm glad to see different people that came in and took it in different places, so now as I'm stepping back in it, what never really left, but as I'm coming to that conscious of, okay, you know what I'm saying, this is the counterparts in the city, they're doing what they do, it makes it, it actually makes it easier for me now, you know what I'm saying, because it was just so much pressure, you know what I'm saying, 10 years ago, because it was just like I was pretty much the face of Dallas for a long period of time, but I didn't have other counterparts nationally to help paint the vision, you know what I'm saying, now a lot of people don't came and painted it, you know, the city in different ways that it came and that makes it easier for anybody coming out of the city, makes it easier for everybody, you know what I'm saying, even platforms like this, you know what I'm saying, so all that's good stuff, so I'm happy to see that, you know, and I know it's still got a lot to grow. Oh, no, it's got a lot to grow and like I said, I know when I reached out to you, you got right back with me, it's the ones like you that I ain't never going to forget and I'm always be, you know, like man, you can tell, you know, the ones who really want to see the city when you can reach out and you're reaching out from the heart, you know what I'm saying, because you want to, you doing it to bridge gaps and make sure people know Dallas got something special going on, you know, I always remember that and I appreciate it, man, you know, 100. So how do you stay humble during all of this time, in the beginning when all of this was going on, it must have been so new to and all the fame and fortune. How did you stay humble during all of that time? Man, family, kids, you know what I'm saying, I had a little girl at the time. I had a new boy and I had a little girl when I first came in the game and that humbled me a lot because I knew I had responsibility and like I said, I come from a big family. You know, anytime you're attached and we from here, we from Dallas which is a city, I mean, this is the south, it's just different. So I'm grinding through my associations, you feel me? That really kept me grinding from the jump. But when I first came in, I wasn't like the average rapper that when you first came in, you saw it as like I'm here now and I made it. I saw it as a journey, you know what I'm saying from the jump. Even when I I had the number one record in the country and all that, but I knew that was the beginning of this journey, you feel me? So where most people actually in any, even in sports, they see it as oh, this is, and you can see it either way, it don't really isn't, neither one of them is wrong or right. It just, I knew that it was a journey from the jump and because of that, that kept me humble because I'm thinking about like how far I want to take this for the whole career and lifetime, you know what I'm saying? I'm thinking like big, I'm thinking like when you, you know what I'm saying, when you talking about, you know what I'm saying, the moguls, you feel me? So I know it's a lot of stuff in between that and that's how I was thinking even then. So that kept me humble. I just knew that, you know, okay, I'm in a good spot. I mean that I was happy and I embraced it. Don't get me wrong. You know what I'm saying? And celebrated it when I was supposed to celebrate it, but I was never in a position where like, oh, even, even at 21 coming in again, I was never, like, I made it. I never felt that, you know what I'm saying? I knew that through just the beginning of the journey. And when you know that's the beginning of the journey, you can't, you can't help but to be humble, you know what I'm saying? It's the difference between the NBA player that becomes a LeBron James, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, like versus the player that get in and they just feel like, oh, I made it to the NBA when people like James Harden and LeBron James and Kobe and Jordan coming to game, they know it's a journey. They trying to be who they became and that one, LeBron James is just now coming to his celebration mode and he's still dominating the league, but he knew it was a journey. So I'm pretty sure he didn't feel like, you know, I'm pretty sure the same year he came in, it's probably a hundred other rookies that's not even the NBA right now. And they felt like they made it. You know what I'm saying? I wish they did, but you just see it different when you got a bigger vision. Then I see Mark Cuban in your video one time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How y'all do that? How y'all, how you make that happen? So I was with Yums at the time. Yeah, shout out to Yums. They been trying to set it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What a white boy name I always miss when I'm a grand. Ken and J.R. Ken and J.R. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out to them. I always hit the magic. Every time I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. They come with them shoes, man. And then Soulja Boy did something with them too. Soulja Boy came before me. Then Tom Tom did something with them and then they signed me on a deal. And you know what I'm saying? We did a deal. And when I did the deal, Ken and J.R. they hit the relationship with Mark Cuban. They introduced me. Wow. And then you know what I'm saying? Mark Cuban had never been in a rap video. And I was just like, we should get them and get them there. Put them in there. You know what I'm saying? I'm on the news and everything. That's what we needed that one. Yeah, I needed it. I was just like, we should get Mark Cuban in there. It only makes sense because all y'all represent Dallas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That rap music, that hip hop. We're trying to, these entrepreneurs, they, we're taking over right there. See, the entrepreneur thing came real strong through our brothers. And I've seen that. So when I've seen the whole, you know, the momentum growing in the hip hop industry, I'm looking at money. I'm a hustler. I'm looking at, oh, yeah, yeah. We get into the bag. See, a lot of times people didn't look at it. They were like, oh, that's music. You know, the old folks, they didn't really know what was going on. But I've seen entrepreneurship. So let me ask you one last question. Yeah, okay. Give me your top three artists of all time that are alive. Any genre? My top three? Top three. Oh, any genre? Oh, that changed me. Any genre? Of course that changes. Okay, so number one is Shardae. Shardae, oh, she easy. Everybody need to know Shardae was two, two, three weeks ago. By far, by far. Yeah, yeah, what's up? If you talking about artistry? Yes. By far, she number one to me. That's hot. We've had a Shardae before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who did it? I don't remember. It's kind of hard to do this for any genre because it's so wild. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why we do it that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Two of them, if I'm going to use a rapper. Man, that's hard. See, he's already hard. I can't make it in my first influences to a hip hop and rap in general that I felt in love with as a kid was Bone Thug and Two Pop. Okay. That was my introducing to a hip hop that I actually like, okay, okay, I fuck with hip hop. Number two. Damn, man, that's hard. It's hard because I probably was going to say, I'm going to have to just give it. If I'm being honest, 100%. This is your top three. Your ears. What it hurt? Number three. Number two. Number one. Number two is what? Shardae was one. I'm going to have to give it the hoe. The reason why I'm going to give it the hoe is because I didn't even like hoe when I was little at all. I didn't like hoe until I got old and grown. Wow. But this is why, because not just the music, it's just the overall. The business. The overall, this and that. Because I could go so many directions with the music on rap. I'll have to go. It's hard for me to, I love Bonthus. That's a group. Tupac, definitely. You know what I'm saying? Number three. I like the UGK. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's hard for me to do. UGK. See, I have to do a rap of this. No, no, no, no. Let me, number three. Who is that? Number three out of our genres. I have to go. It can be R&B. It can be anybody. I got to get somebody from the old school. Somebody that your ears heard and it changed your life. Number three. Probably. You heard it. You like, dang, that's it for me. My pops used to listen to a lot of Al Green. Oh, that's a bad boy right there. And that gave me a whole different temper. That's a bad boy right there. We ain't got no Al Green. We ain't got no different temper. You never don't know. You never listen to it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot. Because my pops used to listen to it a lot. Man, that Al Green. Yeah, and you know I listen to it. It changed my temperament of how I listen to music. I really associated him with the whole old school genre. He was a lot of people came before him and not to him. But some about him made me associate all that with him. God bless Al Green. The only thing I remember about Al Green is he was talking about him. God bless Al Green. Isn't Al Green the one that they threw the great shot at? Yeah, he was. But don't worry about that. That old girl was wrong for that. That's what y'all told me. She was wrong for that. Okay, so, amen. We thank you for coming on the show. This has been a great segment of Boss Talk 101. And we out.