 Hello and welcome to EFAP Mini Super Chat Catch Up episode. Esmen AI Mungold episode. I forget which number. I'm sorry, but that's the one. You guys remember that one. It was, as per the first message, it was two EFAPs within two days, and they said, I must be blessed. Thank you, long man. Thank all of us. Yeah, we did. Gosh, it does the flow, the absolute pipe-age of mula slash EFAP just just flowing the absolute content of the river even even before then, but definitely since then. Oh Enjoy the virtual crescent of the Nile. We We are here for us to check out some mischiefs. What we're gonna do have a little chat and we want to throw it Everyone we read all of your messages every single message you send us. We really do we read we respond to with varying degrees of Enthusiasm, but that's on you as it stands. I think Super Chat catch up day is now Monday At least that's what the scheduling looks like Friday's of the Lord the Rings movies minis, which is a new thing and Wednesday's is TVs slash movies Saturday's the mainline episodes Sunday be the reupload and then of course you got open bar Thursday's Obviously Tuesdays, you know, it's just you're just if you're looking to see what we're up to across the internet plenty of things Plenty of things now. We're gonna get to the mischief second one is apparently Weedle is Egypt's favorite Pokemon Australia's favorite is Mr. Rhyme not a typo. It's a Gen 8 mon strangely. I Was this determined needle? Why would Weedle be Egypt's favorite? Maybe there's something about Surely it should be me It's like those polls that you know PlayStation or Xbox or Nintendo, which one's more popular in each US state There's got to be some methodology for it. We don't we don't all right. What is our what's mr. Rhyme? That's not I've not heard of that one if it's Rhyme I assume no R. I am E. Oh At least that's how they spelled it. All right. Hmm. Mr. Rhyme. Oh It's okay. Yeah, let me show you this Pokemon and why this is this is apparently Australia's favorite Pokemon All right. Here's a picture. Here's a picture of mr. Rhyme Yeah, he's not my favorite. Yeah, I don't I don't like him. He's too human This is a weird one. Yeah Being like a human that's when it starts to get strange. Yeah When it's an animal with some tweak to it so Squirtle perfect Squirtle is perfect. Caterpie's perfect. Weedle's party. You know, those are those are great Yeah, yeah, there's a part of my heart that wants to give this thing rights. So I'm not a fan What if you really ready if he pops up he's like hello there you're like, what the fuck? Oh my god Mimic a human I am I'm imagining him with the same voice as the monopoly guy. Yeah, let me reach you I'll read you. It's Pokédex entries. All right, please do it. This is from sword and shield It's highly skilled at tap dancing It waves its cane of ice in time with its graceful movements It's amusing movements make it very popular. It releases its psychic power from the pattern on its belly Okay, so it's a psychic Pokemon psychic ice. He's got an ice staff. He's psychic I could tell that by looking at him. Yeah, he's got I don't know if he can fly because it looks like he's got wings on his little cat-esque looking thing there Apparently he's semi him he and mr. Mime share a common ancestor Let me zoom in and show you this little wait like really Yeah, I'm not fucking with you. I would never do that Let me show you this. This is on the the website Mr. Rhyme and mr. Mime share a common ancestor apparently there's mime jr. And then You could be two forms of mr. Mime mr. Mime Minds ending on the region that he's in he'll turn into something else instead of mr Mime he turns and that's gotta be weird How evolutionarily do they explain if you're in a different place when you evolve you turn into a different thing? Well, maybe they're like different, you know sub, you know Like the difference between I don't know like a gray wolf and some other wolf That they're like the wolf is the umbrella term. Well, normally it's the other way around right where you live friends the reasons we have, you know Asian people black people white people Hispanic people is because generally when you have people who live in an area for a long amount of time the The environment in which you live will give you different characteristics like oh I need to be able to soak up more of the sun or less of the sun or everything like that And so you slowly but surely have species that develop differences wherever they are So but that's because the environment changes over time Sort of like the genetics that you have. It's not that you literally change because of where you are on the planet So something to bear in mind if I remember correctly sword and shield that the region is meant to be based on England So maybe there's something there with him being a Mr. Ryan with a like a little kind of kind of like a top-out-looking thing and a cane maybe you know It would be interesting because I suppose in the Pokemon world that means that there would be an entire market for Evolution tourism, I guess they would call it where you would specifically become a tourist and go visit a different region of the world Specifically so that your Pokemon could evolve there either for your yeah, and then they come back as a filthy foreigner But I don't know how exactly that works. It's kind of odd But I suppose that would be how it would work in the game like oh my Mime Jr Has expressed interest or because of my because I am its master and it doesn't I tell it to I want it to be a Galarian mr. Mime so we will go to Galar in order to make sure it evolves there so that it can become a mr. Ryan mr. Rhyme one day Well, I need to get some playing tickets and fell out of passport to Pokemons need passports Do you need to make a passport like a Meowth, right? Meowth would probably need a passport, right? Doesn't need a passport. I presume in the Pokemon world. They're in generally the same category as pets I suppose so but then when you have stuff like Meowth who's just like a sapient living creature and also the best Pokemon so You'd have to because it can like engage in criminal activity. It can have you know, you you'd need a passport for Meowth Right now, I would assume so it'll be fine or not. Maybe it's just like well, you know Smart cat pretty smart cat Pretty smart cat, you know, what are you gonna do? Fapping twice in less than 24 hours noise. Yes. Hell, yeah Moriarty my favorite e-fap guest. Hey, though. He was doing good. He was doing good Lemon character and baby lemon jumping in the air and doing a high-five. Wow Super sticker nice good stuff. I am pro lemon Hello 271 episodes already time flies Yeah, so we got it lol where's Shad I Some people were like shouldn't this be the episode Shad was on I did send him a message saying the you wasn't like kept out or anything It was just the Shad is in a lot of e-fap stuff You guys haven't seen yet and we tried a lot of people move things a lot of e-fap stuff down things around Well, yeah, it's why some people like drinker you never come on e-fap anymore He's like confused because he did recordings for like ten e-fap movies with us. He's like yeah Yeah, yeah, just all the intermittent stuff and also he was on like what he's on a couple recently Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, it's it's the thing it's the scheduling is moving people around giving people a shot obviously we hadn't I guess Throwing our hat in properly about this AI stuff because we have talked about it But we hadn't like you know talked about it in the in the same way that it's been talked about recently And I thought the asmongold thing was a good place to start And I thought I'll grab some guests that I didn't actually know their opinions on AI at all I thought it could be a good Blend a good fun time though it was it turned out controversial because I think this is one of those hot button Topic-y things that everyone has attached a lot of anger to in a lot of ways which is okay Um, we did what we could At least we had the dead rat to unify us. Yes AI art episode and you didn't have shad on You've got like haven't you got countless videos of his opinions on it I don't know why why does he have to be on the the episode? Doesn't it work to hear a bunch of people you've never heard talk about it. I thought that makes sense And besides you'll get loads of shad on e-fap trust me You've been getting loads actually because the war rock is in progress Through it is wish there was a way I could have had like a I don't know renaissance music behind me when I said that but oh well Um, you need like the soundboard for that. Don't you? Yeah, I guess this the the production we do just isn't that good We can do a sound right. All right. Don't be don't be so hard on yourself. Yeah, we can do yeah We can do a soundboard Yeah, that was the sound Keep in mind that the results you get from typing in a sentence into chat gbt versus using the proper syntax for the Program are usually very different. I would not be surprised by that. There's going to be Different layers and levels to using these programs. It's uh, it was more so looking at the theory of it all I guess We're trying to Uh, mulleds, you know that hasman gold watched your entire ds2 series and he said that he 100% agrees with you He even played through ds2 and hates it That's funny I was aware of that but it's still funny because It's it's ds2 If the right person plays it, they will be pissed off by that game more than any other. It's uh I do one day want to watch fringy play through it all live What just dark souls 2 specifically? Yes, because i'm curious what your play style with dark souls will do in that game I don't know if you will be benefited by it or if it'll be a curse. I have no idea Which one of my men to play two or scholar of the first sin? Oh scholar of the first sin for sure Is that one that's more me? That's the one my video is about because it's the one that I settled on after seeing dev comments about it, right? Not devs the developers They presented it as the definitive version of the game I presume comes complete with dlcs and it's supposed to have changes according to like their preferences for the vision They had for the game, but most people agree that it is the worst vision Which is funny That is pretty funny Um, how do we pretty demoralizing? But yeah, he said some uh some nice things about the videos I think he resonated with them, which is cool. A lot of people do Is uh DS2 hurt a lot of people You know, not when it came out, man I'm pretty sure it is the highest rated uh from soft game in terms of um, just raw like meta critic numbers Well Which is pretty funny Yeah, it got better review scores than dark souls 1 and 3 I don't know if elden ring got but i'm talking like 93 94 out of 100 here Very high. Yeah, it's you got to think really long and hard for to really think of games that score that high It's like giving a movie a it's like giving a movie a nine or a 10. You got to be like Yeah, the thing is just different. I don't know. It's just a different mindset When it comes to video games a seven is equivalent to a five in the movie world Movies are generally rated more accurately in terms of an eight or a nine is special rather than normal Um, I'm trying to wonder is that the case with IGN? They they still IGN's used big time on movies But generally if you're talking about like the typical kind of movie review outlets You'll find that the scores you even see it reflected meta critic has um You know how they've got like the red yellow and green colors to correspond with negative mixed and positive For video games it is higher The the green is higher. So like for movies if you get a six, you're in the green Whereas for a video game, I think you need to get 75 to be in the green. That's the nature of how it skews Um, it's kind of fascinating to see that because to me it just feels like the clearest indicator that that is how video games are skewed higher by review scores to where Like it kind of makes the numbers out of 10 pointless because so few things will ever score like a two or a three That you might as well. Yeah, what's the point of that end of the board? Yeah, you might as well rate it out of six because it starts with four that's about as low as you could expect from the majority of our game journal outlets We on eFap are very familiar with the uh one to four range So So we live there many for many weeks at a time we live in that realm Uh, it shouldn't be called a i art. It should be called a i concept generator use it as a reference or inspiration Not a supplement for the material Uh, well that's the discussion isn't it right? Well, yeah, that's kind of the core of it I find it interesting as a um A source of inspiration because if you jumble up a whole bunch of things It can like spark in your mind something not even that you just saw but something adjacent to it even We're like, oh, uh, the brain is weird The brain is definitely weird and it can find inspiration in uh strange and unexpected places But I mean on that comment I mean that that is the the fight that's being had right now is whether or not it is even art or uh, whether it should be used commercially or just for reference or not even at all Uh, so you're against cotton gin too What is that Eli Whitney's cotton gin? What what is what is cotton gin? What is that cotton gin is a machine that helps to separate? wheat uh Is the comment meant to be like you're against industrialization or something? No, no All right, I recommend checking out two clicks philips video called protect your art from ai Interesting what counter measures are being made against ai art using Uh against ai using art without artist consent to emulate their style. That's obviously another huge war that's being had That seems like one that will be perpetual Uh, because I imagine it would be a back and forth, but There'll be counter measures and then the ai art tools will be able to get around them And then they need new counter measures and then new tools and so on and so forth Uh, the copy paste download tool can steal better than ai art tools if people are fine with the copy paste tool existing Then they should be fine with ai I think um stupid comment I think part of the difference people would see especially with like sharing memes or copying pasting is the uh The theft is so blatant if it were to be called theft uh, the everyone would be aware of it But if you were to mash other people's work together and then present it as your own and sell it That's why people like whoa, you've deceived me because yeah Yeah Plus like the copy paste tool is so incredibly useful across Not just writing In text, but you know also images little blurbs just sharing random pieces of information when people share memes I think it's It's it's it's basically taken at face value that you didn't make that you're spreading something that was that you found In memes have become the only time people get um praise from making a meme is when they share it and they specifically say I actually made this by the way Oh, well, I don't know if you're thinking about something like um, you know, there's breaking bad the mario called breaking bad memes Or the the Thanos one where there's like an immense amount of effort that went into it of like matching things together In that case remember put your yeah, put your name on that shit So when it gets shared around people know that you made it, you know Put that on your youtube sign your work one of dev's ones Went like viral as a tweet and he tends to put out every so often like I made that one by the way Now that's mine. I'm just saying Um, I I'm a little bit confused by the comment because I just I don't see the like the connection or rather I don't a big part of um, what everybody's sort of fighting about it Is the idea of whether or not somebody can claim ownership of something that they created using a i art tools That's a huge part of the conversation Yeah, to which that you can use copy and paste as a feature has nothing to do with that Also where shad also also play ddlc dumbo's Interesting, you'll see shad plenty of times in future and ddlc. I mean, you know Maybe one day who knows have you guys seen shads videos and tweets on ai They need to be needs to be set straight. It's not stolen at all. Nothing has been proven that it is stolen art I don't there's been plenty of people who have uh Responded to shad and talked with shad and he's gotten debates and stuff on it. So Yeah, I mean we we weren't looking for a debate episode. Anyway, um, like so like if someone wanted us to host someone like that we've uh It makes the whole audience run away to the shadows whenever the word debate is even mentioned I Let a load on a fucking topic like this where everybody's very As they're running towards all of the shadows and the alleyways around the place hiding under their beds Good morning sleep fap 12 more hours today. No, no that was because it was soon after the um The never knows best one remember that. Yes, which was enormous. That was a huge We didn't even do the whole video. We uh, we we were running Right, the video was like two and a half hours long. So I don't think that was so much to talk about was a chunky boy This this is this is a really funny super chat It's funny anyway, but imagine listening to someone's like who missed the episode And for some reason comes to this exact point in the catch up. They don't know what's going on I'm gonna read this out from start to finish. This is what the super chat says By this logic would he buy hitler's jew soap? um, what what What question of the ages? How did how did anyone get to the point of typing this? What was the context? There are many what's in that what I I am I'm I don't understand at all. I can't help you on that one But thank you when I hear that question I think of the two alternate realities where hitler has become reformed and has learned to cooperate with jews In order to make something that cleans the world together and the other pathway is that he uses jews Spotlights to turn into so oh he's got like a horror film so much. Yeah Well, yeah, I mean, you know good. They may have been on the wrong stream. I don't know, uh I think they might have been on the wrong stream On top of using the correct syntax being hyper specific is where the art in ai art actually is It takes skill the text image single sentence that the average person does is how you get the same looking stuff What if that changed? What if in the future I only have to type You know, um Awesome sci-fi movie with harrison ford and it pretty much poops out blade runner, but like, you know Maybe further than that. What if it's just I don't know you connect Like you connect your headphones to a little jack that's in the side of your temple And then ai is like, what do you want today? And then you just say, I don't know and it's like that's okay I know because I can read your entire mind and then it generates, you know, and then you have your tongue out going And just like yeah There's not even any input from you or just knows to configure out your brain and then generate that That's supposed to wouldn't even it wouldn't even generate anything It would just be stimulating like electrically your brain, right in in a particular Well, I mean, I guess it depends on I mean you could say that that's what's happening anytime that you're engaging in some way Oh, yes, right? I guess that's what i'm saying is the instead of creating something that does that it just does that um Oh, yeah, I mean that that's entirely but it might be that some people they need the context and the context being You know, I don't know creating movies or video games for you on the fly That are uniquely tailored to your personal interests. Um, because um all the basic image Creation thing where you type in, you know, will smithy and spaghetti like all of them have improved And there's no reason why they wouldn't keep improving. Uh, there would still be the observation that the tool like if you don't have If if you use one of these tools and then it generates something that sucks But you're like, oh, that's pretty good because you don't really understand anything about art That's something that it would probably be a lot harder for these sorts of tools to overcome It can't overcome if you just have like bad taste, right? Like if you just don't really understand um Perspective or form or or any of these sort of art fundamentals. So you look at the thing and you're like, yeah, that's good, but it's not um I think that's the thing though, isn't it? It's not being trained in such a way that it's confused It's being trained to just get better at making multiple genres mediums and markets. It's just like it's just spreading out It's the nature of one of the concerning aspects of a i art in relation to human jobs is An ai generator can create a lot more images than a human can In the same amount of time So even if the majority of them suck and then by chance a few of them are good You know, like that's that's something that's difficult for a human to compete against in the sense that you just can't take that many shots There's only so much that you can do as a human being I love when rags makes more reality laugh. Hi rags Hello, you're wrong about jumping. I do plyometrics all the time Are we wrong? Oh, are you the one who does biometrics all the time? All right then fair enough Yeah, most people don't jump most people jumping is uh for those for those who don't know the lore on me hating jumping Uh, I have noticed that in video games the jump function is practically ubiquitous However in real life jumping is actually an extremely rare thing that you do I can't remember the last time I jumped. I can't remember the last time I jumped personally Oh, I certainly can't remember the last time I jumped. I just Just doesn't seem like something I need to do that often, but you know, it'll come up. I'm sure Obviously from gameplay purposes as we as we've seen over the decades jumping as a mechanic is incredibly useful And it's very fun. It leads to a lot of different. I think people gameplay features But I think people want to dig more into your statement than what it is You know, I mean, that's all it is that that's it. That is basically the beginning and the end of what we try to say It's like that was an observation That's just people don't jump much they don't Yeah, you don't jump a lot people walk all the time that don't jump Uh, also fringy favorite halo mission. Hi mubes. Hello Oh, my favorite halo mission my favorite one in all the libraries or no No, it's Cortana. That's my favorite um Man the silent cartographer is a pretty easy one to point to but it kind of is like the best mission in terms of presenting halo to a To somebody new this is what halo has to offer you in the broadest sense possible It has a ton of variety. It's cool to be going around in a sort of like semi open zone It looks beautiful even to this day the original xbox version still looks great some really great art direction Um, but if I had to choose something other than silent cartographer, um Uh, I really like um two storms in uh in in halo three The the mission where you um where you go to stop our truth from lighting the rings. That's a fun mission But it's funny. It's like, oh, yeah, the other silent cartographer s squad Like yeah, but it has some different, you know elements to it than that one Um, we're getting the other silent cartographer s commission From halo two that everyone loves Uh, I'm wondering if we're thinking about the same one If if I'm or if I'm mistaking in my mind, which one are you talking about which which mission is I'm referring to delta halo. I've had a feeling I guess drop in with the odst Yeah, that area move from platform to platform go through your little vehicle section Good stuff. There's a halo is a lot of really good levels The thing I like about delta halo is how much more overgrown a lot of the uh, the forerunner stuff is compared to on the original halo Where it's really pristine a lot of the forerunner structures hero like covered in vines and greenery. It's kind of neat Well, there you go Uh replace rags with AI Why don't we do that? I'll be lame Oh, I would be lame AI rags. I'm I can be just as uh Controversial and offensive as an AI can yeah, you know Uh, you should give a criticism of shana vesti's AI love letter by deviant deviant ral a chance It's good right of criticism also high rag frong and molly Um, as was mentioned by rags There's like there's like a whole fight that's been happening in terms of video responses and debates. We're not too into it at all, um You know soldier on with breaking down movies and tv the the AI debate You know dippatoe dippatoe nail maybe but Like it's a bit. It's a bit hectic over there. Well, yeah, you dip your toe in it and then you hear Oh, jeez Very angry today Asman gold is a professional shoe connoisseur with how often he puts his foot in his mouth Um, I mean it's 50 50 to me. I feel like if uh, if you were hyper scrutinizing every single thing We said and put it into the form of clips and sent it out You know and and millions of people were watching every day. We could probably get into as many controversies as it Based on my limited exposure to asman gold He doesn't come across as nearly as oafish as someone like Hassan exactly like The context of some of the things he was saying we're made better by additional clips So Like I understand his his rationale, you know, like I'm not there are elements that I disagreed with but like I understood it Uh, which is more than can be said for some people that we cover on efat where they are completely incoherent Yeah About 95 percent. Yeah, so maybe that's harsh. Maybe the IT Most people literally never think about it. Even if it's pointed out thinking Oh, no, that's terrible and make the same purchase next time. Anyway Hmm To it could be just general consumer behavior and a lot of especially video game spaces Industries being supported by certain products or whatever, right? Well, they're making the observation that a lot of people don't get very worked up about Like that the people generally don't get worked up about the ethics of the products that they're consuming And it's kind of complicated because in a sense, I think everybody has at some point or another With you know, a few things gotten really upset upon discovering the way they're just made and then made a choice not to use it But then I guess you could say that generally there are a lot of things that people buy People don't have time to to be thinking about essentially how every single service that facilitates their life operates People can't be thinking about how, you know, their car gets fueled or where all of their food comes from or how their clothes are made or Just because I got they got their own problems to deal with So I guess it's like that's complicated on whether or not I don't I don't like saying that people don't care Just by and large about how the things that they consume are made I think I think it's safe to say that it's pretty obvious that people do care Because you see that there are definitely changes in the way that things are made and regulations For all sorts of things from like food to clothing animal testing and stuff like that Yeah, I would say that pretty much everyone cares. They just fall onto the spectrum in different places But I think it would take like legitimate psychopaths to truly not care ever It just depends, you know the proximity to the problem the intensity of the problem You know how proximity would absolutely be an influence like if every time that you use your phone That teleported you into one of the sweatshops You might not want to buy another, you know phone like that might actually make you go. Oh shit It would it would however I think really increase the average quality of the twitter post Because you know if you're gonna make that post you got to stare at those orphans for a bit So make sure it's a bang. I want it. It makes you think before you tweet. Yeah. Yeah Which either way either way positive Is the pal not entitled to the sweat of its own brow knows I guess one of the the the advantages semi advantages. I get incidental advantages will call it to having a a bit of a delay between the Episode going out and us reading the superchats is that we sort of have some extra time to see how things You know settle and progress and I think in the sense of pal world I haven't heard the numbers, but I haven't heard anyone talking about it and quite a long culturally disappeared. Yeah I would even say hell divers is calming down, you know And who knows this episode goes out. Maybe hell divers has not even been spoken about for however long Maybe maybe but I'm still talking about it and I'm still playing it Yeah, we'll see how we'll see how it goes as far as I know. They're already well on that You know a good update schedule on it. I played a game on my own yesterday and it I Did they fix the charges where a rocket I fired one rocket in its head and it died Yes, there was a recent patch. I think two days ago that Made their made their heads like a weak point for armor As a weak point as armor so you can hit them with like the eat 17 or the recoilless rifle and it will kill them Because they said that the the leg meta for chargers was not intended Uh, but instead of room they didn't remove the leg meta instead They said, you know if you shoot it in the face with a rocket it will die Um, and there's less armor in general now from the bugs However, other spawns have been increased to compensate for that And one thing that I have noticed after playing after this patch is that games have the potential to be miserable if you Get a whole bunch of the spewers out on the field Because they are um, they're awful and I hate them and I want them to burn in hell for eternity Uh chargers are annoying bile titans are annoying and awful and all like but man When you've got a whole bunch of spewers after you and they shoot the acid and they mortar from a distance Oh, it could be really bad So I think everyone who plays that game needs to understand that avoiding patrols and killing them before they can bring in Reinforcements is a huge key to not having a a long and very difficult mission Um, but yeah, I was just having a look and pal wills numbers do just seem to be going down down down down Which I think is normal to some extent. It's just I was not supposed to Normal for basically every game But uh, we'll see you see how it goes over time because it was uh embroiled within this whole discussion was pal world but uh I'm gonna think of it. I don't know if I heard the tim pal world since this uh episode, you know, no No, no I stopped playing blizzard games after the hong kong fiasco different strokes for different folks Yeah, I think that's totally fair. That's what that's what got a lot of people to be like. Oh, shit damn Has anybody ever eaten baby cow? Well, that's exactly Well, there's definitely people who have I have any of us three done it. I don't think so that I don't think I have Maybe I don't think I've had veal or whatever the term is for baby cow I think it's veal the reason why it's all across the board The south park episode was about uh about that. I got reminded of simpson's one. Do you want to go first for your reference or Oh, well the south park episode was exactly that it was just that um, the the kids Went to a farm and they saw that veal was like baby cows that were tied up that weren't you know walking around And that made stan particularly upset and so he tried to save them But then he started like growing vaginas all over his face um because he was turning into a pussy Like in the universe, um, I can't remember the resolution of the uh, I can't remember what the resolution of the story was though But I know what one you're thinking about you're thinking about the lease of the vegetarian No, it's in scratchy land Oh, uh, wait, which uh, which reference specifically swen, uh, bar orders like the Brains on toast or something and homer orders the Like, you know, like the heart stew and marge is like, what are you guys doing? And he's like, oh, they have crazy names for everything here and then marge goes. Oh, okay I'll have the baby guts and then the the guy's like you disgust me Mom that's veal Was it Heinlein who said I forget who it was but um I mean was him who said that if you eat meat you should probably Kill and butcher an animal at least once just so that you have some Kind of understanding as to where it came from and what has to happen for you to enjoy that You know, enjoy essentially the this animal that you're consuming when you're always far away from the process And there's there's definitely something to that um There is like that little that little reminder in your head of this all has to come from somewhere And it is in a way. It's a it's kind of a blessing that In modern life, you can be so far removed from these things and at the same time Probably important that you engage with it to have some perspective Yeah, you can extrapolate that to many aspects of modern living. I feel uh that We we often sort of forget like man Go on a like a supermarket and just having basically any food item that you could possibly want there at your convenience That you can then take home and put in a fridge or a refrigerator to have it last for days or even much longer than that Um like this Yeah, this is kind of crazy You know only like 300 years ago. That was not the way that it was even a hundred years ago. That wasn't the way it was Yep, remember. I mean you could you can talk to your grandparents and they'll tell you about the milk man And maybe if you have really old relatives, they could tell you about you know ice boxes and things like that it's And then um, but you got to be careful with the milk man because of south park established, you know people People got content with somebody delivering some milk to their house But then they didn't know that the milk man was fucking their wife And now you got your amazon and the milk man's come back to the milkman's eye Then they all dressed up as bane to stop the ups man The best part of life is this life ups mad Anyway, the best part about ai is not having to speak to twitter artists The only metric that should matter is how fun or funny the content is I don't even think you'd agree with that Um, if you're trying to have a contrary on like what ends up mattering the most It's like, yeah, you could throw a few more words in there like how inspiring or how gorgeous how fun how entertaining These things might be one of the bigger factors But there's always other metrics as we went over the that come in sometimes when you least expect it Yeah, certainly be wary to take that ultimate ends justify the mean sort of approach to the creation aspect of The things in your life that you enjoy especially from the especially from the if you're taking this from the Point of view of someone who is just the consumer how to belittle it But just to say you're the one who ultimately you just get the final product You don't have to do any of the work yourself So that's where your perspective comes from and don't forget that Uh, the best part about ai is not oh, wait, sorry, I read that stopping in for an interesting ai example Production teams use collages of images for inspiration So some people I know have been using ai to generate more specific images that don't even exist thoughts So you talk about like you could have all of the most famous fantasy You know creatures on a wall from all different kinds of artwork to inspire you to create your own And you're saying like well, what if we just had an equivalent of that where you have a screen that's presenting an ai image That you've typed in a bunch of ways and you keep refreshing until you find something that kind of I don't know gives you the right inspiration to create your own thing I miss uh, these are these are the sort of Factors and tiers of using the technology that I think everyone has lots of different opinions on in terms of Whether or not it's ethical and where does it come from and then how different is it from formats we already use because I mean, it's been decades of using ai so to speak in the creation of all kinds of artwork It's just that now it's become a lot more consumer grade I guess you could call it and it regards things that are complete works rather than pieces of works I think that might be yeah that that would probably explain it because you can think about a whole bunch of like simulation tools and things like that that have been used in animated films or Like visual effects work for live action films Um, it's no longer a part of the process or a tool used in a much bigger process Now it has become just the thing in and of itself and it and begins and ends with what it is Here's ma'am Yo Mola since you talked about doing a Godzilla kong arc in the future I emailed you a sort of guide to the monster vs films. Hope you got it and that proves useful I will uh go looking for it once we maybe put things in motion for that The thing about it will be that we have to figure out between Godzilla and King Kong what movies we will be covering in total We will need to have it limited at some point, you know I'll just go do them all so it's like so which ones like probably the original for both But then from there, I'm not actually sure Like in terms of exactly which ones we'll cover because everyone's gonna want us to cover the fucking role in emmerich one You know come on. Oh, yeah When I was watching dune 2 when I was at the theater they showed the trailer for the new Godzilla king kong movie and I was I was just like man. This looks like such Shit, have you seen the clip where uh, you know how you see the flippy run of Godzilla? There's there's there's part where I King Kong jumps on Godzilla's back and like rides him As they're like right now Which I don't even see how that's beneficial If you're about as big as each other wouldn't that just like completely weigh Godzilla down Do you know how King of the monsters is a guba film, but that one is being like embarrassed by the new ones, you know, I mean in terms of I thought we were like epic and We have choir and and and it's dark and there's lots of danger of death But like the new woods are just like whoo-hoo gooby-goobas. Let's run around Yeah, I don't want to see godzilla run. Uh, I don't want to see that I really don't want to see him run. Well friend, don't you know that there's there's running of him in the classic ones So you're shitting on the classic ones now. Are you? I mean, that's an interesting argument that I presume some people have actually made The the the conversation about godzilla has gotten Very difficult from what I'm gathering because it's stepping on communities that have existed for a very very long time Who've decided that a lot of stuff to a godzilla is totally fine That was I uh, I know that it's something that I found I have found it fascinating in in relation to godzilla minus one is to me The view that godzilla minus one is the ideal godzilla film and that godzilla king of the monsters many People said and I know that they've forgotten it that that was like ideal. That's what they wanted from godzilla. That's irreconcilable They are fundamentally presenting like different interpretations of godzilla Obviously, I think one of them is dramatically better than the other one But I find it funny that these two positions can sort of be held simultaneously Well, and it's sad that they are both considered to have human drama Is like yeah, I guess so but there's one that does it correctly one of them has real compelling human drama The other one's retarded So You see it reminds me of man of steel. Do you remember when we we had our foray into the dc world It's like people were like what the fuck you doing like you just shout all over bad of steel. It's like, yeah, we did It's a really bad movie It's uh, you know, I'm wonder woman, right? These these this was a bit bold of us in terms of the general takes Everything's changed now now and now everybody views all of them is terrible, which is really funny They all come around eventually Well wonder woman has some some reputation left, but I still think that if people really watch that Fucking no, man. If that no man's land scene came out today. Do you think people would be still okay with it? No, people would be making I think people be fucking Furious with it. I don't even think they would just dislike it or make fun of it I think they would be like this is disgusting Uh, I mean it is really awkward like, oh, yeah, you humans with your mortality Let me just go out there and just win because i'm super powered Like it's it's always like, hmm. This is weirdly judgmental Well, it's just a direct comparison should be with captain america who's fighting alongside and is is killable You know what I mean? Yeah, and helping his fellow soldiers and his soldiers help him But like with wonder woman wasn't she like come on Let's go over to Noah as land that he's like what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, and then she and then she smugly is like, well, no, I'm gonna do it And then the slow motion of her walking across it's it's so embarrassing No, they didn't play that music there. It was much more generic No, that was before the yeah, yeah again, it's like world war one like, okay, I mean, all right I like partly agree with asman like the part about customers not really caring about the behind the scenes of the games If the game is good, we play I I just don't think it's binary like either they care or they don't I feel like with everybody You'll care about different things the more knowledge we are on the things And the only way that you get to be knowledgeable about them is people fucking flagging them down or up I guess Pretty much. I mean, how did crunch become a big? Yeah conversation. That's a huge talking point when it's existed probably forever, right with all artistic industries Yeah, basically and especially in video games. It's always been I mean, it's you know, it's it's known People don't care until they do That's crunch halo too. Yeah, just wait Sometimes it's a matter of people just aren't aware of it and then once they're made aware of it And if they decide to look more into it, they realize oh Huh, okay. Wow. I didn't know any of this, you know Back to back streams. You're too kind long man. Hey, don't forget the fringo and the rango They were there for the whole thing too They survived can't wait to see what cringy takes we see today. Well, it was like a 50-50 mix thing. We ended up Agreeing disagreeing. We had lots of takes from all kinds of people as well. We had the whole twitter section My friend reading it all out If it's revealed that the mcu film uses ai to make their films can we then dismiss their rights of being considered cinema, please Well, I was gonna be cinema Not to mention there's ai in like Pixar movies. Do you want to consider Incredibles and monsters ink not art? like I mean I suppose that's that's one of the more difficult questions, isn't it if they were If those kinds of movies were built from the ground up from just an ai with the prompt good movie What does that do? Wow? What do you think? I guess what I find interesting is the uh the notion You know like instead of simulating Sully's fur should somebody have individually animated each of those individual And when I say somebody I mean many people because it would have taken many people to do it individually animate I'm gonna release it when it come out. I wouldn't have finished That's what I'm saying Those are kind of interesting examples because you could get a bunch of people to do it But that starts to actually be beyond like feasibility Yeah, and that would also be in service to just one tiny little Suit all superficial element of that entire movie Thank you for they they wouldn't made him what make him like that if if that was what the process entailed Then you literally would not have never would have had that character. Yeah Uh, thank you for uploading two long man's on the one weekend. I have a 12 hour flight He has to save travels for anybody who's on the road slash in the air today Absolutely. All right. Yeah, then I'll get you covered Yeah It's funny to me to see how the AI argument hinges on whether or not you care about human input Or if you want to rely on heuristic algorithms humans experience things that translate into art AI doesn't have that AI doesn't have that to create It would it would be dependent on your definitions, right? And that's what the whole discussion is about Yeah, because then you start you have to start delving into those conversations about the nature of human consciousness And whether you think that there's you know, we're just Biological robots or if there's something something like some special spark or you know those sorts of conversations I think that that was one of the things I we talked about during the stream You gotta you gotta remember that that a lot of what will be tethered to the arguments that are happening right now The very specific examples of AI art or people talking about specific software Um, a lot of that's going to be tangled together with some pretty fundamental like philosophical disagreements um That uh, not the kind of things that we're ever really going to resolve I don't think that's always going to be a permanent discussion But it's worth remembering that that's going to be tied up in it Well, something that uh struck me while I was doing stargraft right was like You have the people who uh, I assume I'd be speaking for you too as well as myself But I know I'm speaking for Ned Rodigan as the fans of star wars who are so Entrenched and beloved like the ot that their perception of the force doesn't go too far outside of what they see in the ot And I don't mean that in the sense that anything you see outside of the ot just can't happen It's like no anything that Is within the bounds of what is set by the ot That's like their perception of the force how it's used and that it's a A philosophical thing in a lot of ways as opposed to like a hard magic system that is going to be dependent on for like Everything throughout the universe or something. Not that it isn't that at all I just I'm trying to paint a broad picture and so you have that and then you have like the people in the prequel tcw sort of Edge of things force force unleashed Where it's like there can be powers that go far and wide and are insane and You can do all kinds of awesome spectacular things And then there are people like another faction who would just say it's unlimited Like there's just nothing you can't do with it in the right circumstances And I guess what i'm the reason i'm bringing this up Is when people refer to the force all of that background isn't necessarily even Prompted from anybody and yet everyone will have to have the conversation on the same level, right? It's like Is this character doing a thing that matches what you perceive as a thing and then like two people agree One person doesn't and the two people who agree don't even agree for the same reasons and that nobody even knows this Sort of stuff. It's all background information and experience that Isn't overt And so then like a lot of disagreements will happen without you even realizing Why because everyone's got different definitions and and all that and I was just thinking when it comes to The conversation about star wars Super simple and you can sort of sort those things out eventually because you'll figure out where the differences are in the people but Blow that up to an ai discussion on the very concept of creation art and human consciousness and input and it's just like I don't even you have billions potentially of people talking about this And like no wonder will never fucking figure this out because everybody's you nobody knows what everyone's experience at the study of all these words even are and they're all getting thrown around all over the place Is the imagine that like the iceberg typically is what 10 times Larger under the surface here. It's it's more like it's a hundred times larger under the surface there is so much that is informing just the discussions about like specific ai tools or specific examples With lack of recognition that so much of it is tied up and really fundamental questions about existence Another way to put it might be the when someone says the force I think of like vader using it in the ot oda Oda yoda using it in the ot that sort of thing and then someone else might be thinking of characters I've never even seen using it Then someone else might be thinking of ray using it Like immediately like the picturing these things in their head the equivalent with ai could be like someone says ai And someone immediately pictures like that some of those meme images, right with a brain That's all like code someone else pictures a terminator someone else pictures like glados And you're just like yeah Yeah, there's all these different biases that come in immediately and it's just like god our language can be very Ineffective and inefficient I guess but I mean, you know, what is it going to do? It's uh, we can't we can't reverse mind read right rags That is correct except we can Well, we try we we only have our words and our words are dependent on what we understand about them That's kind of like reverse mind reading Yeah, but like it's really inefficient or at least it's not as efficient as it could very well be. Maybe we'll get there one day with ai I guess I guess it depends on your frame of reference because I cannot buy the arguments for both how incredibly Efficient it is and also how it isn't efficient at all. I think there's an argument to be made for oh, yeah Like when we before we had that when it came in that would have been a huge leap, right? Like communication to that level Because I mean if you if you think about it the But what's the way to describe it? I guess language is so intrinsically a part of our Our experience as civilized humans to where it is just something we don't even think about It's so tied into our daily lives our experiences Even our thoughts the languages that you learn impacts the way that you Think about concepts. For instance, you can ask a medal when he's uh, when he's around Uh, what language does he think in? You know if if you're I think we had it I think you did switch you said to english, right? I think it's some that does sound sort of familiar like a long time. We had we had talked about it But to the point where yet learning different languages changes your internal monologue language um There's a lot to be said about I mean it wasn't it metal gear solid five that started with that quote about how it's um A language Is like what we're really Sort of tied to more than nations or something like that. It's The language is just it's it's such a deep Practically intrinsic part of the human experience and the way that we communicate in much the same way that For instance site, uh site is the most important sense to human beings To the point where we use the word see as they stand in for the concept of understanding things at all if someone tells you something You'll say oh, I see I see because knowing in the acquisition of information Is so tied to being able to use your eyeballs and see things That we use that word as a stand in for the concept of understanding information Uh to grasp a concept is to see the concept um And you were talking about the importance of language I mean that's what 1984 was about you know the the idea that when you remove Certain words from a language you begin to remove concepts from people The more that you reduce language the more that it just makes it so that it's it's more difficult to even think In in novel ways Yeah, there's not a word for a thing then yeah, how do you understand the concept? Yeah And and certainly it makes it harder to spread it too Yeah, if you have an idea that's outside of new speak that's outside of the you know party approved words Even if you understand it what you probably Will But it'll be difficult for you to It'll just be it will be difficult for you to spread that to someone else Because there's just not a word for it One the thing people also forget about AI is when AI are when art is made with passion and care by an artist And then people think and says it's AI art wild. We're wild world. There's a lot of weird sentence structure there, but um Yeah, the the nature of an artist trying to create what looks like something that was made by AI You know and then they're successful. It's like well. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's weird It's like if a human being if uh, it's human being I was about to make a weird dichotomy It's like if an adult was trying to um Mimic a child's crayon drawing. Yeah, you know and then they're like, oh, this isn't very good It's just it was isn't very good at all It was clearly made by a child and then the man steps out from behind the curtain and you're like, aha You fool you've played right into my trap Uh, that was actually me I yeah, that was actually me. It was me the whole time turns out. I was uh, it was it was I fooled you Uh asman's point is that the opinions of artists do not factor into the customer's decision Consumers decision to buy a product that is wrong and he Um, you have to not like if someone said, um, no, he just means most of the time It's like say most of the time when you're gonna make a Point that broad that sweeping We just had a little super chat talking about language The whole point of language is to avoid this element of me trying to interpret what the fuck you mean I remember um, we criticism we had on that episode some people were saying like I love how if I don't apply this standard to themselves They'll say like oh disney content is just shit and then they'll say like, oh, no not all of it though And I was like, yeah, don't we do that though often and loudly we often clarify we often say In fact, I often when we say all the Marvel stuff is shit We often feel compelled to say well except spider-man Like yeah, and there's no where the elements like the box office of guardians or Endgame should be considered like the downfall not later than that necessarily or Like there's all these different little things we like to mention. Yes, it makes the episodes longer better me Why not are you gonna be worse off for being more precise? When is it ever worse to be more precise? Um And I'll be honest with you as well if rags like suddenly announced, you know what all of disney's content is shit And then someone said super chat say you said all of it was shit And if he said I didn't mean all of it. I would be like, yeah, but you said all of it It's a You could definitely use context clues to know but the thing is the another thing that's important here is that uh It depends on what's being discussed, right? If someone says the fall of disney. It's loss of money It's this it's that and then rags says well, I mean all their fucking content have been shit And then someone says what handles handles not shit And you're like, no, no, I'm saying like I'm saying the vast majority has been shit to explain why why the downfall is there and um The the point about the consumer's point of view about artist input is incredibly important to this discussion Because we're basically saying like artists shut up about ai because it doesn't matter When it absolutely does and it has changed the industry Like the artwork being shit from disney is is a direct explainer for why they're falling apart As i'm gold saying that people don't care about artist's opinions when they buy stuff as an explanation for like the success of pal world I think there's so many contradictions in there And some of the stuff that you have to consider if he was to then say no, I I know some people do We're like, yeah, but some people becomes loads of people the second the it's an issue that's super important And we only know when people make more noise about it. That's just how it works. We went over this on the stream and also as um, there's there's obviously a very clear utilitarian purpose to language and how we express concepts, however There is also a very uh clear artistic and style Stylized element to language that I wouldn't want to miss I don't want to lose concepts of like hyperbole and you know, exaggeration And things of that nature Just for the sake of always being precise But usually if you're going to make a very important point relative to a conversation that you're having Probably good for you to say what you really mean So there's no confusion or to stress very much so that you're about to make some sort of a thesis statement Besides because yeah, I I am interested in the point that an artist's opinion on their work Never decided whether or not the consumer base is going to be buying their product That's an interesting idea wouldn't dismiss it out of hand It's just that we start thinking about like historical examples and then you know pragmatically how it works and just uh, and then theoretical like if I don't know. How much of a difference do you think it would make if Scorsese said he watched Batman Superman. I was supposed to say Superman legacy is renamed now But if you watched it and said it was absolutely incredible Like I feel I feel like that would make an impact Uh with with the film community, you know, they'd be like Scorsese said it. Oh my god You're gonna go check it out But vice versa if you said it was absolutely shit and completely confirmed all of his opinions on superhero movies being uh I don't know roller coaster rides I think that would make an impact as well And that's not even about uh ethics. That's just his opinion of the quality If Scorsese said did you know the Superman legacy or whatever it ends up being called if it's just Superman was made with baby blood I feel like uh, that would also have a huge impact Yep Question you are each immune to copyright and Sorry, you're each immune to copyright or any product project that you decide to work on completes instantly Well, like what would we want to make if it so like if it was a oh, they're saying it's not something that exists Basically, I guess they're saying the ladder. Yeah, would you rather be immune to copyright or any project you decide to work on completes instantly? Well, hmm Well, if I had the ladder then it rubs me of like any of the from actually creating something So I definitely don't completes instantly no I would want complete instantly if it was like if it was it would yeah If something along the lines of stay motivated, um You know, no weird no bizarre technical issues that stops you from doing it then. Yeah, but I guess because the process is You know, yeah, that would be really good. Yeah, because that would be So much because I would run it Creative process would run it as ethically as possible in terms of you know, what I believe is fair Yeah, but at the same time, you know when when I need a minute of a piece of footage I'm like, you know what I feel I'm justified this time and I don't have to worry about copyright. So there we are Basically, the first option is what if the law just was like followed That would be nice. That would be cool Uh people still went to restaurants in track because replicator food is the same every time people see the Mona Lisa to look at its details up close Yeah, I don't disagree with that that If we had the ability to Do everything in an easier and faster way that it like Stops anyone from wanting to do it in other ways Yeah, I mean, we know that this isn't the case sometimes people still do things in a I guess what you could call a slow Or more manual fashion because they enjoy it If the Louvre Mona Lisa was fake the Islesworth or Islesworth Mona Lisa would become more valuable being the last Mona Lisa painted by Da Vinci Yeah, I'd imagine so Yeah, probably I assume that's to prove the value of art can very much be just tied to its scarcity slash cultural Uh Absolutely if um You have a prolific artist who made a million Very similar things Then each one wouldn't quite be as valuable. I think that's what happens a lot with artists They do you know the same thing a lot of hand painted or handmade knives handmade cutlery handmade this that pottery There is an element of if there's if they're doing it all the time every day all day Maybe to the point where it's almost like a human assembly line There's something that's kind of lost in that Does a christmas present have value? Why don't you buy yourself? I think they're they're pointing out the The value that's the thought that counts, right? That's the thing. It's when someone's giving you a thing What that means doesn't matter what the thing is sometimes Uh in a way. Yeah, but it's almost uh sort of tied to that similarly is if the thought is really good Then it's very often that that means that the present itself will be more impactful or meaningful Because the thought is often going to lead someone to making a a gift idea that's very yeah Yeah, they intertwine in the same vein, uh the more and more money they provide someone could be like Well, that's not very that doesn't change their thoughtfulness doesn't it's like well in a way it does It's how much money they were willing to give you right? Uh how much they want to one can read into that and that's not even like a A you know, like a thing they made or a thing they bought knowing your interests They just gave you money, but it all has play in terms of what a thing will mean Yeah, a lot of the times it's just an element of I don't know what to get you and you don't really know what you want So here's some money spending on whatever and I'm here, you know, we're having Cake and hanging out and just talking and that's uh, you know, let's say okay Not every gift has to be a silver game boy advance sp was sort of mana. Yeah, but Hey Something I really love the stream. Could you cover just rights video and subjectivity? We have like four years ago think The uh subjectivity is a round two Wait, I thought subjectivity was implied was uh, um, isn't that uh, joseph anderson? Oh wait. Yeah, you're right Did we do just rights video and subjectivity right to the tlj one, didn't it? I think we did that's the one where we had the big conversation and stuff Oh, that was covered on was that on if I was that that was on just wolf stream. I think wasn't it? Unless that was just a tlj video That doesn't pop up Much anymore or maybe it's more like phases the whole subjectivity objectivity discussion It hasn't really happened in a while. I haven't really seen it because that It's usually brought up as a passing comment and like a reddit post or something like that Some people think they could be subjected with our da da da But people don't seem to really get deep into that discussion or at least they haven't lately Maybe it just sort of comes and goes sometimes it's in Vogue and sometimes not so much Yeah, I can't remember if that or not the audience after let me know on that one. I think I genuinely can't remember but it does exist. Um Have you seen the ragnarok season three finale? If so, what did you think I have not? I assume you guys haven't either Ragnarok, I don't know that no Is that a show? I guess so if it's got seasons, but no clue If all recordings of music were destroyed overnight and no one made anymore Would people go back to playing music themselves like they used to? Yes I think so. There'll be a dramatic increase of people creating music if there was no music The desire for music would Especially if it just happened overnight and it wasn't a slow decline of people wanting music, which seems really unlikely, but I guess is technically possible But yeah, people would want to hear music There'd be a lot more people getting together getting instruments Making music going to concerts that need wouldn't would would be filled in alternative ways People would people would start doing a lot of singing people used to sing a lot more than they do now Yeah, because anyone can sing, you know, it's it's like it's your built-in instrument So it was very um, it was very big is both uh It was just a lot more common place for people to do singing More or I think you'll find it amusing to hear that asman gold is a big fan of your doxels two video series. I've heard I know Uh, I'm glad he enjoyed it The librarian at my high school always used to cry about google and wikipedia because folks didn't have to read books for all their research Is it really those websites fault that she couldn't get kids to see her values? I mean that was a transitionary period right of understanding what it even was. Yes Don't use wikipedia as a source for your paper in your book report if I see wikipedia as a source It's not gonna count But they didn't know that all of the things that wikipedia says has the sources at the bottom of the page And so you would just write those instead of the yeah, pedia link. Well What was funny when um transitionary period they didn't know what the fuck they were talking about The best thing was when people had assays printed and there was footnotes in the printed pages and it was like, wait What is this and you're like, oh weird. I don't I don't know why that's there as in like wikipedia footnotes, you know, like the Yeah, when they did that with they did that on bat woman remember. Yes, they did God that's fucking lazy, man. But yeah You guys should absolutely talk to as many as possible. It would be great stream for sure. He is welcome on efap Yeah, we'll chat with him about uh Most things Are we human or are we dancers? I remember that song Let's celebrate. Oh wait. That's the wrong one. Uh, we what would be the difference between a psychopath and a synth? Both don't feel emotions the same way as normal people do no psychopaths literally cannot feel certain emotions and like I think Empathy psychopaths cannot empathize with other people. Um, I think that's what makes a psychopath like it's a it's a literal Brain like disability essentially they cannot feel that emotion Um chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behavior. That's a psychopath And Maybe maybe I'm confusing it with a sociopath. I happen to probably get those confused But there is also the element of it depends what kind of synthetic person you're talking about Some synths are very human in the way that their emotions are sometimes even more human More human than human, right? That's right Anti-ai say ai is bad because it is soulless, but forget that jackson pollock exists True That's mean no jackson pollock jackson pollock. He splattered that paint like a real good old poly boy He knew what he was up to Listen I'm I I don't give a shit about jackson pollock man. Uh, I just don't give a fuck But it's art. It's undeniably art It's his experience or whatever putting stuff on that canvas boy, and I've heard that oh those canvases were big So they sure were they sure were those cans. There's a lot of paint My take as a musician the scenarios are the same You tell an artist what to make you tell an ai what to make your ability to communicate your needs based on your experience Slash knowledge of the medium Is the only gold star here creatively speaking nothing to scoff at don't get me wrong It problem is equating the skill set to the work itself. They're two different things Now if we can all agree to just call all artists tools, then my view falls apart Slightly off topic. Sorry. Take care Yeah Go for it Someone who's commissioned a lot of artwork over the years because I'm no artist myself in this sense If you tell if you tell the same description of what you want to different artists The reason you will get wildly different things Comes down to Their musculature where they're from and the cultural impact of where they're from Their personal their personal preferences and their styles and all that stuff very deeply relating to who they are as a human being And I don't think that's the same As just considering them a tool That just spits out things based on your description Um, especially when you are in a somewhat collaborative process with this artist and you're telling them Well, why did you make it like this? I did it be this because I like the way that this looks over here And like the colors and I think there's good contrast here and there and I think because I'm trying to You know Invoke some sense of style from something that I really liked as a kid or something like that and it's I don't think that it's it's quite the same as just saying that you know, there are tools or anything like that Okay, so the impression that I got from the comment is it's kind of like an interesting thought which is um that's You could imagine that somebody I feel like a more straightforward one would be You could imagine somebody who's got like a really good grasp on the English language They go to writing things down And writing things down that are grammatically correct Um dynamic it's it's just like good writing but the whatever what's being expressed in the text itself the Meaning it's kind of hollow and vacuous or just not that interesting or bland as like there There can be in some sense Being really good at the technical skill Doesn't necessarily mean that the stuff that you're creating is also good It could be great or good, but it could also be like, you know, I would agree That that um assuming that you have the technical skill That you are good at writing words on the page doesn't mean that you're going to be able to write a great novel necessarily Just because you're good at putting the words down doesn't mean that um what they actually amount to is particularly interesting Yeah, uh this happens in when I did not stoop my own horn a little bit, but uh, I took like a good Nine or so years of piano and my brother also did piano lessons and I think I'm a better piano player than him but that's uh, I'll turn it to the point, but I think it's because If you play the notes perfectly when you sit down at the piano and you play the notes perfectly and on time And you do it as the as the page specifically tells you to do It can absolutely feel very mechanical and impersonal Whereas if you lean into an element of what you think Feels right what seems in context to be really good ways to make those notes flow with each other And the way that your hand can hit the keys in a particular Um, yeah in with a particular weight that you could have two people play a piece and have it sound You know obviously very similar because it's the same piece, but it will sound very different as well and I think This that's sort of the same concept of yeah, you could you could You know, you know one of those little roller players of the um The the machines we have like a a roll of paper And it goes out on the piano. I don't have to call like player pianos. I think they're called and They are just it's going to sound the exact same every single time because it's a purely mechanical process that Is just clanging things in tandem with holes and paper or however that works Uh, whereas if you have multiple people playing it, then it's just it's just going to sound different and it might sound different Based off of their mood and how they're feeling at that given point or something that they heard and are trying to incorporate into their own style. So Bit yeah, I like to think there's a bit more to it than just Just doing the thing as it's written down and that's it Well on that note opinions are like assholes. Mine is right Yeah, that's fine. Well, like it should be in the middle strange. Yeah Uh asman's conflating value and utility they mean different things Man the what the words like the words. He was not very good at it. Yeah, many things even You said could be many different things I mean this whole thing like it breaks down into this enormous web of just words that all mean different things to everybody Uh, but a lot of it is said with such brazen statements that funnily enough Like I said, you could have thousands of people agreeing and they all actually disagree Do you know what I'm saying? Like like they agree with a statement, but they all think it means different things Yeah, well, we'd have the inverse of this when we talked about movies A lot of people would be like no you guys are wrong about this movie You're wrong. I'm like this movie and then they would all be disagreeing with each other Oh, I remember as they disagreed with us That's a fun one like you're wrong for this reason, but it's like someone else is like no no no no no No, they've misunderstood the blah blah blah then someone comes in with like a source argument Or um conflation with like something else that that happened with um, I think king of the monsters actually and uh Some other stuff is it's a weird adventure we've been on But a fun one nonetheless Can I add that neurobiology absolutely shows that art and writing by hand have inherent Neurological benefits just making the art has medicinal value to say nothing of cultural and communicative I wouldn't be surprised Yeah, yeah, there's definitely like a therapeutic element to having like hobbies Filling up your time doing something that you're proud of working hard on you know getting better at a task or a craft Yeah, um, that's why we push back on the whole like you know, you can have something complete instantly It's like, I don't know how it I don't do that. The process is I want to create it. I like creating it. If it was created instantly, I can't look at it and go man I want a time and I'd go oh There it is Yeah, I guess yeah, you definitely lose something there. You lose a lot. You lose most of the thing Here is a tautology for you. How did bill gates become a billionaire? He spent less money than he earned It's not a tautology Yeah, not as I understand tautologies You can yeah, you can spend less money than you earn and never be a millionaire I didn't get rich writing checks Oh dambs, you don't remember that reference. Oh, you do all right good Uh, why you always go live when someone's mid sentence? Why not? We like the What that's it's not a cold open. Is it it's uh What would that be called? It's it's more so just the the conversation never ends Like I don't know if there's a filmmaking tip for what I'm trying to imply with how we do Ifa, but the implication is just that your we're always chatting about shit and the an ifa episode is just like Okay, now we're live doing it Like this is like today you can hear us as opposed to what we're just hanging out in general Yeah, we were talking before we went live Where people we chat a lot and also it's it's stylistically kind of nice to have just it open And we're in the middle of just whatever we were talking about before we went live Yeah, I feel like we're one of the only shows ever to choose to not have an intro Deliberately when that's considered like a scuffed and awkward thing to do Intros can often be really weird and awkward. Oh, yeah I remember the days back in I think I made fun of in my outlast videos The amount of outlast reviews that start with the dubstep hyper animated Oh, God, yeah And then and then you have the super hyper animated dubstep And then it just And then it cuts to a guy who's just hi everyone, it's me He's like just off to the side of his chair the background is like a grayish beige It's one of the guys found a really cool loadout for modern warfare 2 is really good I'm getting a lot of kills with it I'm really angry because the update made it so the care package and commander doesn't work anymore I'm very mad Did I game? Probably Did they they might have That did happen. They knew it did happen sometimes Yeah, uh, it wasn't nearly as commonplace as it is now, which is in general a very good thing But yeah, remember every remember kiddos back in the day you bought a disc in a box Hope you like it that this For you to keep That's the game if something's busted to fuck then it's gonna be that way until the sequel, baby A synthetic shilling for the AI meter Thank you key thing with powwild is it's the fan game that nintendo should have made but didn't That's what I keep seeing You would think that like the world of pokemon is sort of built like built perfectly around this concept of an mmo Where you have all sorts of people who can have all sorts of different roles relating to pokemon And they can cooperate and battle each other and you have in-game leaderboards Like you would have leaderboards in real life where people have records And then you would have you know You would have all of the emergent culture that comes as a result of that But you don't have to battle you could be you could have in time like in like an mmo's you have different crafting systems And other things that you could learn you could have like i want to be a pokemon doctor I want to be a pokemon breeder i want to be a pokemon this that the other thing And you could all fulfill roles that not every player could know So you might have to have multiple characters Or you might have to actually rely on other people to make sure that you're in tip top shape So all you want to do is battle pokemon is like well You need the you know There's a lot of other players you might need to rely on to make sure that that infrastructure is all set up and everything You think it'd be purpose built for it They go on to say mega man is a re-skinned rocket boy game that lost the license last minute Interesting Look at it now Uh supers and highlighted messages show up here if you change filters this filter will only show your last 100 fan funding messages I'm guessing that's a feature thing that they've added I think I think I try to there's like three options live chat all chat and fan funding which is all messages that are super chats or Memberships which they fucking took forever to do that on the back end. I've complained about this with ads How stupid the way they make super chats work and how it can like bug out and you lose all of them The new system I have keeping track of them seems to be working though I've seen less complaints lately and like you miss mines like no, I think I've got everyone's now, which is good Glad the multi-billion dollar I know was able to work out these extremely simple things Normally, they just ruin shit and make everything worse with their updates. They do I'm sure they will but for now it works So six thousand tweets can lose a man his career, but using tweets to affect positive changes just off the table now he posts us Yeah, well that was part of the point we're trying to make right the um the influx of complaints about pal will's creation Whether or not they're accurate whether or not they're big in number whether or not they're uh They're making good arguments just ethically as a foundation I wouldn't dissuade them by saying you know what this will make no difference anyway Because they has historically have made a difference with different things. They can make a difference even if they hadn't they can Um, so yeah, do you think nothing was ever changed by discourse? Yeah, like the whole thing seems really odd to me. It's just like fucking it complained your heart's content If you think you found something horrible Complain get it get it noticed To find a lot of the time with like a big controversy There'll be someone saying like I was talking about this three months ago and no one mentioned anything and it's like, oh, shit Okay But uh, that's how you get the bull rolling a long time Uh, don't call it capitalism call it free market capitalism was a word coined by Karl Marx to blame it okay the fucking Whatever it's mine now. It's not his anymore And you know what i'm doing it out of spite. Yeah, what the fuck ever I don't care if he was the one that came with The word it's just it's an economic system. It's as simple as that we can talk about The etymology dates back to the mid 17th century, so Did Karl go back in time? Didn't steal it or forwarded time like no back in time. I don't think that's but And in fact wikipedia says that Karl Marx did not use the form capitalism But instead capital capitalist and capitalist mode of production Well, I I don't care. I don't care who made This is all fun interesting learning, but yeah, I don't care Everybody like at this point capitalism is a word that people have a general understanding what it means and use yeah In marvel comics Thor is the son of the cosmic chicken aka the pionx force and odin. I want you to think about that I don't know what to think about that all right Fair enough. I wonder if um If there's been a conversation about marvel comics changing Norse law and if that's a problem or not Uh, maybe maybe more so now than before Well, I mean in the comics themselves like uh when they first brought in north shit, right? Like it it's incredibly Unfaithful That's you know, they're adapting it to their heart's content, which is something that I'm okay with But I don't know if everyone's okay with Hmm tech frees people to pursue the arts and explore in classic sci-fi stories This tech and the entire discussion around it equals black mera BS come true Maybe I mean there's certainly an element of truth to the idea that the more leisure time people have the less time they spend doing You know labor the more that they are theoretically freed up to pursue their own personal interest I'll work on that fortnite battle pass Oh Good delve quote of the day. I'll see you next episode folks rage shadow legends and then the video ends Yeah, that was one of my favorite jokes See you later folks rage shadow legends. I just say that it ends Uh, would that be a gold mandingo? I'm not sure what you mean. I don't know if that is but if it's golden I'm inclined to want it Uh, Tay Tay AI took our jerbs smaller rage also high rags. Hello Hello indeed say had to crawl so that chat gpt could crawl better. Yeah Will tfa be five parts or six parts in total six I saw someone say that I apparently promised they would all be out by 2025 So, you know, I'm still in I'm still in the green zone the safe zone right now. It's right But now Maslow's hierarchy isn't really real skydiving would not exist otherwise because it trades safety for excitement Self-sacrifice also doesn't fit in the hierarchy see the need to keep breathing I don't think Like surely like Maslow was around when there were dangerous recreational activities I think it's probably not specifically being the safest you can possibly be or taking no risks whatsoever It was probably something along the lines of like a Well, so as I've understood it as I've understood it it's always just being that fundamentally There are certain needs that need to be met before you can even start thinking about satisfying other needs So like you're not going to be thinking about you, you know, figure it out philosophy in the meaning of life when you're like living in a cardboard box Yeah, if you're scraping to get by and you don't have any You know If you're bleeding and hungry It's like you're not going to stop to be like, you know AI Like I wonder where that's going to take us and of course like I presume that and I mean I imagine that there's plenty of discussion debate about how useful The hierarchy of needs is whether it's accurate or not, but I just find it funny the idea Maslow hadn't thought about skydiving. Well, the thing is I don't know enough about it to say this is the case, but I would have assumed us the top of the pyramid, isn't it? You could argue Skydiving Yeah, exactly or even a steam Yeah Oh, yeah Good Bob Ross paint without ever seeing a landscape the art human beings create Even if they've never seen art made by human before still some amalgamation of the data they've been exposed to Yes, but I imagine this might have to do with I I don't know how you guys feel But I mean, I think I feel like it's safe to say that all art is derivative in some way People get really worked up about what the word derivative means because it's got a negative connotation when it's more so It could be used negatively for sure Do you have seen things that you like that will inform the things that you make? I think something that gets brought up Is the um Depending on what AI you're using I suppose this would only apply to the ones that this is actually true about because I'd have to look into it A lot of people end up saying that humans can create art whether or not they've had an input, right? If you drop a baby in a white room And don't pull something in mind Yeah, like I'm you to provide them the ability to use you know say paint crayons, whatever the fuck they will make imagery Oh, well, yeah I mean I feel like what we you know The the argument that people would be making and that you would make even in the lens of all art being In some sense derivative of the work that came before it is that well There's something special about you right a synthesis of the things that you've seen or value or if you want to get even More abstract like your Being as an entity that then gets imputed and whatever I've seen people highlight this as interest because with an AI that doesn't have any references What does it create? Like so a human without any references Other than the white room like very unethically created, you know They're dropped into the room and fed enough to stay alive They'll create something but like an AI without any references. What does it do? How does it create? And it's like well you'd have to make an actual like a replicant style AI, right? The one that can imagine Yeah, well, I imagine walley. He might if you leave me alone I think that's part of the point that film is that he kind of does right? He's broken through and the same in in a sense There's an implication of the terminators in Terminator that the once you allow them to start learning they can be very creative in ways that you might not expect Jordan Peterson would have an aneurysm looking at asmongold's room, correct Yeah, yeah, he would he would be so upset. He would shed a tear Please watch the channel the art of Aaron blaze He provides a non-fear based point of view of the what the future is for artists and AI I think I've heard of him. He was like one of the Disney animation directors like back in back in the 2d animation days I think the four-minute joy of the chili cheeky bird is important Okay, the chili cheeky bird. Yeah. Oh, that's a fun name Saw a video of AI creating a desert or Sorry deserts with mushrooms strawberries cheese and cream a world-class chef couldn't find anything like it tasted great Okay I'm not sure what I make of that They put a bunch of delicious things together and It was delicious What if they're saying the world-class chef? I don't know if they were trying to say the world-class chef couldn't But like like created himself or find it anywhere else and it's only the robot can do it. I don't know I don't know anything about that Discussing AI and not and not getting shad on. I know apparently that was A blasphemous move and uh, it's all right. We will we will continue To do things with shad and I'm sure you'll continue to talk about AI. I think he still is to this day You shall see him in the AI wars. He you know if the if iRobot happened he'd be on the robot side That's the truth right there My brain is so fried at this point. All I hear anyone say is thing is good But also bad, but it's good too, but you shouldn't feel bad also long man bad Well, we all know long man good, but you know, yeah I'd love for asman to come on efap and talk with you. It'll be fun. Well, except we're on board I'm pretty sure asman is saying is that an artist's opinion of themselves doesn't matter Why? Oh, that's that's totally different than what he said then Well, but but why wouldn't it it doesn't matter to what? I mean to who it matters to them there's like I don't even know what you mean like If someone's that like do you want to know what martin school says he's opinion of good fellas is I'd be like, yeah They'd be like, well, it doesn't matter though. Does it they're like, oh I don't know. I don't know how to deal with these statements. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to assume about them Some of my favorite artworks I really want to know what the creators have to say because it can Really inform my like sense of you know inspiration or respect for the work Or we can have the reverse effect. Who knows a bit of the gamble in a way, but Um, it's insight, right? I love I love bits of insight What am I learning from this stream is that he's just stupid in a different way than I first imagined he was stupid I'm not gonna. I don't think so. I don't think he's stupid Um, I think it's it's just ripe for back and forth this whole subject And I think a lot of people are very trigger happy and calling everyone else stupid, right with this there's a lot of um I hesitate to use the word but identity is a lot of it is placed on this In a lot of ways and I don't blame people for that because it's regarding art So A people can get angry about it real quick Uh, love all you heroes. Moeller and our good boy rags have been here since from day one Fringy joined and was immediately one of my favorite people. Love you all. Mariati is just a legend Take care efap boys and chat. Oh, it's very kind. Awesome. Hooray. Thank you Uh, hey guys, I've made two efap compilations if you ever want to watch them on your own time also how much Uh, to have pyrocynical on efap. Love you guys. He's welcome as far as I know You don't have to like pay to get people on or anything He's uh, he makes long videos too very very long tv shows and stuff And games and films I think I think I haven't kept track of him, but that's all I know Uh, this is not how you get good rat. No, they're uh, no Not at all the alarm clock. No It'll linger like the smell of dead rat There are people I've told about that don't believe me Because of course they wouldn't leave that's the thing, isn't it? Why would they believe me? There's no reason for them to believe me Crazy story It's well, it's so crazy that it's just like nah It's just too is too much. Nah Uh, Tony your work has a higher level of scrutiny unfair perhaps but seamless to ignore and potentially the foundation of a uniquely superior career Who's Tony Tony gilro That's that could you repeat that line again? That sounded very similar to a line from andor uh Tony your work has a higher level of scrutiny unfair perhaps but senseless to ignore and potentially the foundation of a uniquely superior career That's definitely a line from and or but obviously not Tony. I think I would have been to didgerow Oh, I guess they're saying that about Tony Gilroy Tony. Yeah Uh corn does not care from where the blood flows Okay Probably the eFAP. I've disagreed with you the most but it is what it is love y'all and love asman. You should invite him on I'm sure you'd love it Sure, maybe maybe asmigold you are welcome to come on eFAP if you're interested Um, yep, absolutely. I'm not sure if I follow him on twitter But uh, I can shoot a message someday maybe if you if he wants as for uh the disagreement I mean, yeah, it was it was a spicy episode and I think it's because it's a spicy discussion Anyway, right? I don't think there's anything anyone can say on this subject that won't get them Uh in a position where people would be like I fucking disagree with that, you know Like pro AI and yeah, or in the middle. In fact in the middle might actually be the most contentious place Yeah, which is all right Um, oh and we've got a pokemon of the day Shedinja Shedinja Dinger Is that like a version of greninja that I've never heard of What is that? I don't think I've heard of this one. Oh, okay. I think you'll like this one. I think you'll like this one All right, let me post this here for you Um, yeah, he's chill Uh looks like Yeah, um, I like I want the sapphire entry if you can find it Okay sapphire Shedinja is a peculiar pokemon It seems to appear unsought in a pokeball after a nin kata evolves This bizarre pokemon is entirely immobile. It doesn't even breathe So It looks like It appears in a pokeball when an in kata evolves um It's a discarded bug shell that came to life peering into the crack on its back is said to there It is it's said to steal one's spirit. There we go. We we got there um Yeah, it looks like it's said to steal the spirit of anyone peering into its hollow body from its back Well, of course Let's see Yeah Well, that I mean that's that that's the last message for the episode. So thank you all very much goodness Uh, we'll we'll we'll be heading out now. Hope you had fun and whatever it is You're up to best of best of fun. Best of luck Goodbye everyone and thanks again Bye-bye You