 Call the Monday December 17th regular council meeting to order will the clerk call the Read the code of the day, please Thank you Christmas gift suggestions to your enemy forgiveness to an opponent tolerance to a friend your heart to a customer Service to all charity to every child a good example to yourself respect Thank you Clerk call the roll, please 15 present Cormor's present with Alderman calf being excused Can you all Before we do the Pledge of Allegiance, please join me in a moment of silence for the 26 victims of the Connecticut shooting Let's all rise for a moment of silence Thank you Alderman Lissar will you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance? Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands One nation under God Indivisible with liberty and justice for all Thank you Alderman Hammond minutes. Thank you, mr. Mayor I moved to approve the minutes of the previous council meeting second It's been moved and seconded to approve the minutes of the previous council meeting. Is there any additions or changes? Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carries Mayor's appointments Members of the council hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration Heater Federer to be considered for appointment to the historic preservation housing and rehabilitation loan commission to fill the unexpired term of Jonathan Doulson whose term expires for 22 2013 signed by the mayor That will I own City clerk is there anybody for the public forum tonight? Yes this evening. We have two first on the list is milk storm Melt if you could come up to the front, please No, can I have your home address? Yes, it's 1736 Marvin court And you will have five minutes sir. I want to thank the mayor and Sue's department for extending me this opportunity to again address the council and I want to also again talk on the proverbial garbage fee which I paid today Generally, I pay my bills in person and I One of the reasons I do that at the water department because those are some very nice girls over there that are really savvy with their computer system I Still I'm waiting for an opportunity to discuss the finance committee How they ever came up with the idea with a seven dollars and sixteen cents Fee for a one month and now they have reduced it for 2013 to five. I think if I recall Correctly, I had mentioned that a reduction of a little bit more for two dollars or three dollars would be more appropriate from the five I feel that all seniors over 72 years of age who have owned their own home and Some of whom may rely only on social security could receive a waiver or a reduction in the garbage fee I have about One garbage bag a month or a week now this week. I think it's been two weeks I haven't put out any garbage. It's all in a garage yet, but I'm gonna load them up on Thursday With I learned today with social security at my age anybody can make as much income as they want Without having to pay a penalty some good news for Bill That's why we can't help to believe both are rich guys. So what difference doesn't make I? Believe that if you believe what I'm saying that about the richness, you know, you're very gullible too The next thing that I would like to Mention of it. You're concerned is that our neighbors against drugs has closed their books on its organization I was a little disappointed with that But share preview said that we could keep our heads high and be proud for having started something That the now that the police department has taken over and I sure want to thank Chief the Magalski and his police department for the ability they will be of going into neighborhoods and Trying to clean up that the fact I was one of the original volunteers to with Todd prebie and Assistant Attorney Chuck Adams to start the gay way neighborhood Now I've always tried to be neighborly and I think I do that credit to my mother Who had a picture from the Wisconsin a reculturist and farmer on our huge kitchen wall. We had one of them large farms up there and it was a picture of a farmer with a sigh in his hand and he was leaning across the wooden fence and talking to his neighbor and This is what it said Sort of does a fellow good to set and talk a spell to learn how things are getting on and if the folks are well Seems as twirl with wouldn't be much fun without a friend like you then join myself now and then just to talk until And that's what I think when you meet your Police officers that come to your neighborhood Ask be a little friendly and be a little neighbor. I'm sure they will appreciate that very much. Thank you Thank you, Mel Mike can I get your home address, please? You will have five minutes sir. All right I don't know if it's because of the end of the year and end of the budget or if it's the budding of new politics or whatever but it seems to be the fire department is About to be in the news more or less again because of the fact that there's a Proposal first first first study not first study, but there's the mention of a restructuring in ways by Recommending that the new fire the new Firefighters won't be EMTs and I and I don't know this is part of a hybrid Paid-on-call firefighter system, and there's also the old study that asking just for a study Which got shelved but right now you have a couple of different factions going forth with things and I know that and My big question is what what is the future do we have a real plan for the fire department? Or is this just to make a run at them and just politicize it all or Are we going to try to gel around what really needs to get done? And I'm really on this one I'm confused because we keep on bringing it up and it's and it's one of those I think it's time to that we get some more information out there And I know that's what both parties are kind of asking, but I think the discussion has to Really really gel and firm up and that's all I have Thank You Mike Thank You Next we have a public hearing for the zoning map change for use of district classification and for property at 1020 superior Anyone wishing to be heard Anyone wishing to be heard Anyone wishing to be heard all them in Hammond Thank You. I move to close the hearing second and move the second to close the hearing First we'll call the roll 15 eyes ocean carry Consent agenda three one through three twenty two Alderman Hammond Thank You again. I move to accept and file all our O's accept and adopt all our C's and pass all resolutions and ordinances Then moving seconded to accept all our O's Accept and pass all our C's and adopt all resolutions and ordinances under discussion Alderman Bellinger Thank You mr. Mayor. I would like to request that Item number three point one two be pulled and addressed separately Item three point one two. Yes. All right. We'll pull three point one two and vote on that separately first under discussion for three point one two Alderman Bellinger Thank You mr. Mayor. I originally put this request forward and the intent of this To address a previous comment Mike was that I don't want to take a run at the fire department what I want to do is take the politics and The biases out of it and see if we can't come up with a plan a long-term plan for the fire department and I've talked to the chief and In my discussions with him and in his public comments a couple weeks ago At the council he mentioned that the previous two chiefs Have requested a formal study and that wasn't done and he's in favor of of having a study done if it will put all this contentiousness to rest and we can come up with a plan and Actually look at doing some things long-term that would be in the best interest of the taxpayers and what I find Somewhat confusing is How this comes out of the committee with the recommendation to file when all it is is a request for proposal There's no cost associated with this. We all we are doing is putting this out to Recommended Third-party vendors and have them come back and give us a price on what it would cost for a formal study So there's nothing there's no action being done here other than Requesting a price to see what the formal study would be it was it would be my hope that this would You know, we would move this forward We would go against the committee's recommendation to file We would get an RFP going forward and we would discuss and vet the merits of a study of a fire department On the council floor You will see later in the meeting that there are two other documents resolutions That other alderman have put forward coming forth with the fire department. I haven't looked at them in any great depth They may be great ideas. They may not be You know, but that is to be determined, but I would think that a third-party independent Organization that we would contract out to would you know have The expertise to put a plan together for us and then we could look and see if we want to follow Or what steps of that plan we'd want to follow but To shoot down a request for proposal just to get pricing to see what this would cost I find it, you know rather Unacceptable to come out of committee with that recommendation. Thank you Thank you alderman Belliger any other just all them and born Thank you, mayor van Ackerman I Had the opportunity to read it one second all of them and born first there. Thank you I had the opportunity to read over this draft for the request for proposals and then I also had a chance to read over some of the questions that we were going to be asking the The firm that we hired Some of the questions here that we're going to be asked for the company that we hired to evaluate However, there was you know, there was really nothing in here that asked for really any what could we do to for innovations for our Priority department What you know, are we are we costing out for example in a recommended manner? How we cost out the ambulance service how we how we delegate the personnel of the fire department and Cost that out as far as the ambulance service is concerned another question that I would have in there is that financially viable for the City of Sheboygan to continue being in the ambulance business when we're not meeting financial expectations We have a private provider in this town that could provide the service So if I was to vote to go ahead with this I certainly would want a few more questions Than are in here because most of the questions in here that that I as far as I'm concerned are no more than fluff It's going to be garbage in and garbage out It doesn't ask any tough questions along the line that I you know of the ones. I just mentioned. Thank you Thank you Alderman Thank you, Mr. Mayor I think one of the things that confused the committee was because there's no resolution behind this proposal Even the purchasing agent at the meeting when he looked at that he said he was a little bit confused because there was no Actual resolution backing the thing up and perhaps Alderman Ballinger would reconsider and Draw the resolution up and then send it back to committee and it may get better reaction Thank you Alderman vernacore Thank You mr. Mayor just to address some of Alderman Ballinger's concerns from the committee level As Alderman Wongam and stated the purchasing agent indicated that he didn't have a resolution He simply had the communication saying he needed to draft a plan So that's what he did and that's what he submitted to us If the council would like to move forward with a resolution or yourself or others would like to move forward with a resolution Asking him to put that plan into action. He said he would need that so his his request was simply to Come up with a draft of what he would send out. However, he did indicate to the committee He would need a resolution from us to put that into action. So that's why you're getting a motion to file from the committee Is simply that's what we asked him for he's done that he submitted that to us And now we'll put that in our files and again if we want to move forward with that or bring something forward in reference to this We certainly can do so, but that's that's the reason for the motion to file Any other discussion? I heard somebody beat, but it didn't light up Alderman Lussard. I think another reason why this was voted to file is the cost involved in this particular study is going to range anywhere between a hundred and a hundred and fifty thousand dollars and It is not my recommendation to approve it Also, there has not been a study done on any department in this city There's been a study on the HR department in the county. I don't know why we're singling out the fire department Doesn't make sense to me. So if you're going to be doing studies, I'm still going to stand behind Every department should be as scrutinized as the fire department and we don't have the hundred and fifty thousand to pay for the study to begin with And I don't think that we would move on recommendations if we needed more firemen or if we needed more fire equipment I don't see you. I don't think you'd find a vote in this this some council to approve that So I would not support this Thank you. Any other discussion? Any other discussion? Recommendation is to accept and file the committee report clerk will call the roll on 312 Ten eyes five nose The motion carries how we'll be voting on the rest of the consent agenda one three one through three twenty two Is there any discussion? Clerk will call the roll Fifteen eyes Motion carried for one through four eleven will all be referred I'm sorry Or one, thank you Resolution from the development manager requesting the a-street boat launch closure be extended to June 15th 2013 all them in Thank You mr. Mayor move to accept and file Then move them set second to do except in file. Is there any discussion hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried now for two through four eleven will be referred I've won resolution by Alderman Hammond ordering 2013 budget appropriation for the city water utility Alderman Hammond Thank you again. I first off would move to suspend the rules. Okay, it's been moving second to suspend the rules Any discussion under suspension? Green on vote on suspension only 15 eyes Motion carried Alderman Hammond. Thank you again. I move to put the resolution upon its passage back It's been moving seconded to put the resolution upon its passage. So any discussion? See none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes option carries Five two we're gonna hold through four seven two five three through five five Two all be referred Six one report from salary ingredients recommending extending Residency requirements Alderman Thank You mr. Mayor Do we need to spend for that so we're not was that the other one I was looking at I'm sorry What do we need to spend the rules for that one or not now and can go? Okay, I'd move that report a committee be put on this passage and accepted and stopped it's been moved in Second seconded to have the community report be accepted and adopted. Is there any discussion? Here none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried six to Report a committee from law and license you can recommending denying taxi cab driver license 94 90 94 91 Mr. Mayor move the RC be accepted and adopted It's been moving seconded that the committee report be accepted and adopted all in a band of we under discussion Is Regina Ramirez here this evening? She's not here. We did invite her to two meetings and she did not appear before the committee Is there any other discussion? Hearing none the clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carries Six three reported committee from law and licensing recommending denying taxi license number 97 89 all them in van will They can move the RC be accepted and adopted It's been moved and seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted under discussion all them invented is Chantel Bergen here this evening She's not here same situation. She was invited to our meeting two different times and she did not Thank you any other discussion You're none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried Six four law and license and you recommending denying beverage operator License 79 34 all them in van to win. Thank you. I move the RC be accepted and adopted It's been moved and seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted under discussion all them invented will is Eric Schrader here this evening He is not same situation Invited twice and did not appear Any other discussion Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried six five from law and licensing recommended denying taxi driver's license number 7760 all them in van Move the RC be accepted and adopted second It's been moved and seconded that the RC be accepted and adopted under discussion all them invented is Brenda Valerio here this evening She is not she also was invited to two meetings and did not appear any other discussion Hearing none the clerk will call the roll 15 eyes Motion carried 66 report from law and licensing recommending denying beverage law operator license number 9676 all them in van to move Move with the RC be accepted and adopted Who's seconded that the committee report be accepted and adopted under discussion is Hannah Gustafson here this evening She is not and Same thing with her. She did not appear the two times. We invited her any other discussion Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried six seven report from Law and licensing recommending taxicab license number 97 91 All them in van to move with the RC be accepted and adopted It's been moved a second that the RC be accepted and adopted under discussion is Angel Angel Estevez here. She is not same thing did not appear to both of our meetings Thank you all them in van to move so any other discussion Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried six eight recommend the Committee report from finance recommending authorizing to borrowing up to three million dollars for the sale of water utility bonds all them in Hammond Thank you I moved to accept and adopt and put the resolution upon its passage. Okay, then moved in Seconding to accept and adopt the committee report and put the resolution upon its passage. Is there any discussion? Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes motion carried six nine a committee report from finance transferring Appropriations in the 2012 budget all them in Hammond Thank you and move to put the report a committee accepting to adopt the report of committee and put the resolution upon its passage It's been moved and accepted to it's been moved and seconded to accept and file the committee report and pass the resolution Is there any discussion? Hearing none clerk will call the roll 15 eyes 7-1 ordinances introduced all by Alderman Heidemann born long a man of many in municipal court related to sewer and sewage disposed Alderman Heidemann thank you mayor I didn't need a motion to suspend rules second. It's been moved seconded to suspend Any discussion on suspension only the reason we need a suspension is so that he can set the rates before the first of the year And the budget had to be passed Thank you on suspension only we'll take the vote first 15 eyes Now we need to motion on the Ordinance I moved the resolution resolution be put upon its passage second been moved and seconded at the ordinance be put upon It's passage all any discussion hearing none clerk will call the roll 14 eyes Ocean carries That's okay We'll put you on 7-2 on orange from Alderman racelor Many in the municipal code relating to residency of department heads all in a racelor. Thank you. Mr. Merritt asked if we take seven two along with five two and Motion to suspend the rules second I Think we need to pass the resolution first. No, we need to pass the ordinance first But you're looking to pass you're looking to do the suspension on both Yes So we're gonna Okay, any discussion on suspension only Suspension on the rules on both items Okay. Oh, thanks Sorry Joe a 15 eyes For 7 2 I'd move that the ordinance be put upon its passage Second it's been moving second to the ordinance be put upon its passage under discussion all the more Thank You mayor van Akron. I don't have enough. I don't have a problem with these extensions at all, but I Thought we had I thought we already had something on the books for an extension Was that just a resolution attorney McLean and now we're changing it to an ordinance or what was the status? Because I know we came up with this a couple of years ago When our well a couple of department heads had difficulty selling their houses, which we certainly could understand The current there's current ordinance for department heads That requires residency for those that are appointed by the mayor and confirmed by the council There was a provision a couple years ago that provided for one 90-day hardship extension. Okay, and There's a need to go beyond The one 90-day hardship extension. So this would provide for Additional extensions at the council's prerogative for 90-day periods without limiting it to just to one. Thank you Any other discussions that answer your question? Yes, it does. Thank you clerk will call the roll 15 eyes She carried now the resolution Alderman Raceler thank you. Mr. Mayor under 5-2. I'd move that the resolution be put upon its passage It's been moved second on 5-2 that the resolution be put upon its passage So are any discussions? I just have you re-vote for a suspension on 5-2 So I can have a record Well, I've got them on separate slides, so we're gonna vote on suspension on 5-2. Thank you for the record Okay, 15 eyes Motion carried now that suspended will take the motion Yep to pass for passage There's no discussion clerk will call a roll and 15 eyes Motion carried by through for 5-5 will be referred 7-2 7-3 7-4 and 7-5 will be sent to public protection and safety rather than public works, right Yes Matters laid over RO and general ordinance 38 12 13 amending the zoning map for a location of 1020 superior Avenue Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor. I'm accepting file the RO and pass the residence or pass the ordinance It's been moved second to accept and adopt the RO and pass the ordinance. Is there any discussion? Very none clerk will call a roll 15 eyes motion carried 8 to general ordinance from all room of an act and Carlson I had him in Lassard and wongham in amending the municipal code to bring up to date with state code changes all of them in Thank You mr. Mayor. I would move that the general ordinance be put upon its passage back It's been moved in segment that the general ordinance be put upon its passage. So any discussion? Very none clerk will call a roll 15 eyes Motion carried others matters turning clean 9.1 is an RO by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending June 30 2013 and June 30 2014 That will go to law and licensing And 9.2 is the resolution directing the strategic fiscal planning committee to meet and establish goals objectives and timeline for the 2014 budgeting process and beyond To strategic Before we go and we're going to go into closed session. I don't think we're coming back after Wish everybody happy holidays Both in the community and on the council floor and Alderman Hammond Thank You mr. Mayor move to convening the closed session on the exemption provided in section 19.851 E Wisconsin statutes for the purpose of deliberating the possible sale of property public property We're competitive and bargaining reasons require a closed session It's been moved seconded to go into closed session. Is there any discussion? Your none clerk could call the roll 15 eyes motion carry will take a five minute recess and come back into closed session Okay