 Okay, it's three after on my clock. So I just got the live stream going. So Bobby and John you're live Okay, take it away Bobby. You want to do the overview introduction here? Hi, everybody. Welcome to the networking, but Princeton hyper ledger meetup today is April 13th, and we're going to cover the topics on the hyper ledger 2023 mentorship program Oh, sorry about that. So this meeting basically is to dive into what the whole program is about, how to get involved. If you're a mentee, we're going to get interviews from people who have been in the program, both on the mentee side and the mentorship side. So we're going to talk about What the benefits are and what it meant to them. But right now I'm going to introduce Min who is the director of the whole program and she's going to take over from here for a while and we'll talk soon. Thank you, Bobby. Hi, everybody. My name is Min. I am the program manager here at the Linux Foundation and managing the mentorship program for hyper ledger foundation is one of the many things that I do. Yeah, so very happy to see a big group here interested in learning more about our mentorship program. So this is an annual program with well scope projects as a way to conduct mentors with mentees for hands on learning and structure progress feedback loop. This is the seventh year hyper ledger is running this program and hyper ledger has committed a lot of Investing this program and running and funding this program because we recognize the importance of mentoring and onboarding new contributors into our projects and community. The program has really grown in size from, I think we started with five projects in 2017 to now 30 projects for this year. And we actually received almost 60 mentorship project proposals this year. So it's great to see the community is enthusiasm in this program. The program has grown in the type of activities it covers in the beginning was mainly coding. Now, you know, it spans from coding to documentation and research and also has growing impact and coverage. You know, it covers most of our hyper ledger projects. It has incubated new projects for hyper ledger labs, and also even some of the community initiatives such as interoperability identity and performance and etc. So it has really, I'm very excited to see kind of the the growth of the program. Also just from a benefits, since I think many of you participating in today's meetup, wanting to learn about this program what is in it for me. You really, from a mentee perspective, it really has helped provide a clearer open source contribution pass. You know, I think there are many people who would like to get involved in hyper ledger community, but there's a vast amount of information where do they get started with these well defined projects it really provides that clear path for people who would like to learn and contribute, and we connect them with you know mentors for willing to teach. It has really accepted mentees professional academic pursuits and help raise their profile. I know many of the graduate mentees from our previous cohorts have become maintainers for some of our projects. They have obtained blockchain related jobs or remain active in the open source or DLT communities. We last year actually I'll send a link to put a link in the chat. Many of our mentees wrote about their learnings and contributions and you know what's what's next for them. So feel free to it's not this one. Sorry. So if you have time you know to check out some of those blog posts written by some of our mentees from last year. They really talk about you know their learnings and contributions and what's coming up next for them. And I know you know we promote these blog posts so you really help raise their profile in the community and also when they apply for you know jobs employers their perspective employers can see the work, the great work that they did. From a program perspective I just want to touch you know talk a little bit about some of the key elements I think I already mentioned for multiple times you know we have these projects right they they have a defined scope they have learning objectives and outcomes already defined. So you know I think that's very you know provides that clarity for both mentors and mentees were learning together and the learning and contributions are guided by mentors some of the mentors are actually on on the call today. There are maintainers of our projects or very active, you know seasoned open source contributors so for mentees are learning with these open source professionals for guiding your learning and contribution. And, you know, together in the next you know from June to November, you know we'll do project planning and you would expect you know regular evaluation feedback. You know, I think that's really helpful for mentees to kind of continuously improve. Also mentees, you know you have the flexibility to work remotely. You can stay wherever you are, and a stipend will be provided. You know if your work is satisfactory, and the stipend amount is based on your country of residence. At the end of your participation there'll be plenty of plenty of opportunity for you to showcase your contributions through blogging, speaking and meetups or regional events, or even travel to a global key elements of the program that I wanted to highlight. Many of you will have questions about our application process. So all of our, everything is detailed on our wiki. I'll drop the link in the chat as well. You want to share your screen so people can see as well. Sure. Sorry. Let me see which screen I should be sharing. This is one. You see it. Yeah, I see it. Sorry, I got multiple things. We'll make it a little bigger. Yeah, so it's on our wiki. How to apply. Take a look there. You know, I detailed out all the steps, but you post you'll have questions. Take a look there and if you have any questions, feel free to email. Mentorship at hyperlegia.org. I'll just give you an overview since we have time here. From an eligibility perspective, really, we just need you to be 18 years old. You can be, you know, enrolled in school or not a student. It doesn't matter. As long as you make sure that, you know, from June to November, you'll be able to contribute on a consistent basis. Let's say 15 to 20, 20 hours a week. As I mentioned, you know, this year we have 30 projects. So that's a lot of projects. Unfortunately, you know, you cannot apply to all because we want you to also to read through the projects, discover which ones that you're excited about you're curious about exploring you want to work with a, you know, work with the mentors. So take a look at those project descriptions or learning outcomes or any other additional information on the wiki. Ask yourself what is the best match for yourself. And also just to think about your schedule for the next, you know, second half of the year where you'll be able to contribute, you know, 15 to 20 hours a week on a consistent basis just to make sure the schedule fits into your, your commitment. As I mentioned before, you are, you are, you can apply up to three projects. So it's a way for us to kind of, you know, help you focus, rather than apply to many, you know, focus on applying some good applications to apply to three. And we do encourage you to contact mentors mentors have their email addresses the discord handle on the project page. It's visible to you all. So feel free to reach out if you have questions specifically, you know, technical questions about the project. If you have questions about application, feel free to email mentorship at hyperledger.org, and then prepare your application materials right we're looking for people who are passionate about you know getting involved in the open source community, especially the, you know, hyperledger open source community you're wanting to learn about blockchain. I think some, you know, background or your academic training or training online, some background in distributed ledger technologies will help you. So, but it, you don't have to. But I think having some background probably make you a stronger applicant. And also each of the projects has specific required or desirable skills. So, you know, make sure you read that, you know, you have coverage in that kind of what they're looking for. And then some major application on affects mentorship. It's a platform developed by the Linux Foundation. That's where we collect all the men tea applications, and you know mentors will be able to see your application materials on that platform. Everything is detailed here if you have any questions, you know, feel free to about the application process feel free to email mentorship at hyperledger.org. As I mentioned, you know, all of these applications are on here. This is the affects mentorship platform here. Of course, you know, all of our hyperledger projects. Mentorship projects are, you can see there's risk five, there's open source security foundation projects. So all of the Linux Foundation projects or foundations that sponsor mentorships, they put their projects on affects mentorship platform. So sometimes it might be, you know, you have to search. You know, I recommend if you just type in hyperledger you'll be able to pull up all the certain projects that are listed on this platform. And our application is open. It's open now, as you can see, and we'll close on May 10. So we you have four weeks to apply so don't wait apply as soon as you can. And what else after application closes all the mentors will review the applications on the tweaks after we close the application on affects and then we'll notify all the mentee applicants the last week of May. And then all the mentees will start working with your mentors pretty much the very beginning of June. And for additional program dates, I think it's trying to find it here. So you can see all of our program dates are defined here. Yep. So applications and then mentee notification period, and then working period. So everything is detailed here take a look and let me know if you have any questions. Yes, I just I had this quick addition to you were saying somewhere in the middle about mentees being encouraged to contact the mentors. It is encouraged. I just wanted to add that it is more efficient to contact them. Not in a DM on this court and instead contact them by tagging them on the channels and I say that just from the practical point of view because I am usually getting a lot of DMs with questions that are very similar. So if you tag me on one of the public channels and ask the question and then I answered and you save three or four or sometimes 10 other people the time and to me to type it out 10 times in DMs. So I encourage everyone to just put it out there. It's actually not a bad thing for you to use these public channels. That's what they are for so never feel like you have to ask permission to write on the channels. It's not. It's not like that at all. The way they used to put it in older days on IRC chat is that don't ask to ask just ask. That's a good tip for sure. I can also update here as well. Just, yeah. Thanks, Peter for that. Could you just go back one screen. You were, you showed a list of all the projects. Yes. Yeah, that would be great. So here. It also shows the focus. So yes, this year we specifically wanted to call out kind of the primary focus of these projects. Obviously, you know, many, you know, our projects are about coding development right so that is still you see many of those projects have the primary focus is that but it's really great to see that people also want to call out, you know, hey, my project is going to, you know, if you work on this project you'll be involved in documentation you'll be involved in research. So that's interesting. I don't know who put design there. Okay, that's yeah. I see there's a couple of questions in the zoom chat although this might be a good segue to the first panel because I think both of these questions I see from Guillermo and Prof Mesh would be something that the mentors will address about how much experience they're looking for and what kind of a proposal, you know they're looking for as well. So do you want me to start out and answer for that. Yeah, Bobby why don't you kick off the mentor for the panel. Okay, so I'm going to ask any questions of some of the people on the panel. Okay, the panel consists of metallic link if I got your name wrong I apologize, Sean young and Peter some women. I said, I'm so bad at names. So you have to use yourself with your correct pronunciation and then a little brief bio of yourself and I'll give you a second to do that. I have been mentor and also an evaluator of some of the projects over the years, and I've been involved in it for probably more years and I like four or five years. And I have to say in my opinion, the mentorship program is like the heartbeat of the community. Every year we gear up to see what's needed we get these proposals ready they get accepted we get mentees, everybody all summer long we work together we get these projects done and then at the end in the fall we have this great form where they get to present. And then the things that they develop we spend, you know the rest of the fall and the winter working on and becoming an even better foundation so I love the way this flows through the community every year. So I'm going to introduce Peter and I'm going to put the microphone over to him and just tell us how you got involved in the mentorship program and why you keep participating. Hi, everyone. My name is Peter. It's a funny last name. Don't bother with it ever. No need. I work for a company called Accenture. I'm a software architect there. And I'm the one of the maintainers of hyperledger cacti the blockchain integration slash interoperability project within hyperledger. So the way I got involved with the mentorship program is that I was generally involved in things hyperledger back in 2019 when we got started. And this was distributed through one of the mailing lists that I monitored and then I immediately jumped on it to try it out and then why did I continue why did I keep coming back. Well, a little context to that is that usually the mentorship projects that I am a mentor of require a lot of deep technical skills. They're definitely on the more difficult end of the spectrum. And the reason why I do it and keep doing it is because of the success stories. Not everyone passes the content of these projects, but a lot of people are and they go on and do great things. They become really great members of the community and they also give me feedback where they come back a year later and say things like, oh, this thing that you taught me in that pull request review last year actually helped me get a job. It helped me become a much better programmer because now I know about these foundational things that only someone with senior experience would know about. So these little things when I when I get this feedback afterwards. It's really great. It makes me feel fulfilled that I was able to help someone's career take off in this manner. Thank you, Peter. Now, how about it? Tell me what why are you involved in the program and why do you keep interested in it. Hi everyone, my name is Attila clinic from the University of Technology in Hungary, and I actually got involved in this mentorship project. This is the beginning, but I started out as a man. In 2017, as mentioned, and two years later, I participating as a mentor. And in the meantime, became the maintainer for maintainer for Hypervisor Collector, which is a tool in the Hypervisor greenhouse. So it's been a long journey is done. And in general, I really like teaching and mentoring groups or individuals. I've been doing that in the university for more than 10 years, I think so long time. And the mentorship is a similar form of teaching in my experience, but it's shorter, more focused than the technology and development oriented. So it's nice to get a hacking on something that an open community will actually use. And you can help together with the mentees shape the future of these solutions. And I think that's what gives me going, coming back every year with new ideas and try to implement them in practice. Awesome. I'm not sure. Sean, could you introduce yourself and also answer those questions. Hi, my name is Sean Sean young. I've been involved in Hypervisor for a number of years. I'm the first Hypervisor borough. And I really enjoyed the Hypervisor community. The conferences were also really interesting. So, later I created a project called so long, which is a city compiler. And I instantly wanted to make it a hyper lecture project. Because I thought it was just a great place to host it. And another thing I really like about Hypervisor is the mentorships. In the first instance, I thought it would be a great way to get some work done for the project. But it is much more than just getting some work done. It's about teaching people how to write codes, how to process, how to receive feedback or for code review and do the reword necessary for it. And best teaching all the things you need as a professional developer. And teaching those things, I find it very enjoyable. And I like seeing people develop. We've had some, we've met some people who have gone on and done very well. Lucas will be talking shortly about the work he did as a mentor. I'm sorry, as a mentee and later as a mentor. So why do I keep on being involved? Well, I still, I love the teaching part. It's really the mentorships help attract contributors. It teaches people how to contribute. When we give people feedback, that's often in a Discord channel. So it isn't just for the mentee themselves, it's something that everyone can read. So it keeps the conversation away from just deep technical conversation between the maintainers. It also keeps the conversation going on a more day-to-day basis, on more day-to-day things. Yeah, and so I work for Solana Labs. At Solana Labs, we also hire people. When we're hiring people nowadays, we don't really look at CVs as much as we did in the past. Nowadays, it is so important that you have a good GitHub profile that shows all your open source contributions. So by participating in the mentorship, you'll have a very good example of the work you've done, which will really help you in interviews. Nowadays, when we have applicants who don't have any public contributions, then we probably wouldn't even consider them. So yes, as a student, it is very important to have those contributions. Yeah, thank you, Sean, and you touched on two really good points. First, being involved in the mentorship program is a great way to add to your GitHub profile, add to your LinkedIn profile, get yourself out there, get some information on your CV for a lot of people who are studying this. It's actually a hands-on kind of thing. And the second thing you touched on is more towards our next question. I know for me, scheduling my time as a mentor with the time schedule of the mentee. Again, there's certain weekly deliverables that are set up and you have to meet and discuss them. I know I did it in the Learning Materials Working Group meeting time. We met once every other week. Peter, what are your kind of guidelines for meeting and checking in with your mentees during the project? I have a daily pair programming call that I do on Discord every day. So I don't like regularly scheduled meetings that happen regardless of the amount of topics we have to discuss. So I tend to not say, oh, we're going to have a weekly meeting on Friday and you have to come and then tell me something instead of this static sort of structure, what I do is sort of a push kind of notification where if you have something to ask, you just show up for the daily pair programming call. If you have something to ask every single day, you can show up every day. If you are experienced enough that you think you have a good handle on it and you're just going for it and doing it, great, just let me know when you open the poll request and then we'll get to the review. So I kind of try to tailor it this way to everybody's satisfaction because, yeah, I just dial into too many meetings there. The meeting is scheduled so people show up, I show up because it has been scheduled. But then the first thing we say is, all right, what do we have on the agenda? And then sometimes it's just like, oh, we don't have anything so we can give back the time. So I try to get ahead of that with efficiency and this push methodology, if you will. Thank you. And just to note to everybody out there that not all projects, deliverables are pull requests. Some are papers or research results. So there's other different deliverables that happen. So if you're not a programmer, there's also opportunities. You just need to read through that page that Min had showed us. So Attila, how do you kind of handle the flow of your meetings with your mentee? Well, it depends on a lot of factors, of course, mainly all the time. So even if it's just a leaper, then we leave three sides of the world, it's going to be difficult to schedule meetings. But I try to schedule at least weekly fix appointment because it gives us an opportunity and a mental opportunity to gather their thoughts what they achieved this week and what they planned for the next week. So even if nothing tangible happened as an output artifact, for example, it's still a good consolidation of weekly tasks. And other than that, of course, depending on times of differences, as in from communications, like that is always a possibility, of course, but I try to be as flexible as possible. But in my experience, weekly fix appointments could can be a good thing. And Sean, any insights into how you kind of expect your mentee to report in or account for their time? So the way we run the project is slightly differently. We have a daily standup meeting where all the maintainers briefly discuss what we're working on. And these meetings can be very short, or they can be a bit longer depending on what needs to be discussed. So it would be a great place for the mentee to see what else is going on in the project. And also ask any questions they have and report the progress that often mentees will be stuck at a particular problem. So it would be a great place to bring that up. It's also a great way to be involved in the project and to see what else is going on. I'm always happy to talk about other goings on around the project. That's great. So I'm going to close this out with having each one of you just say like what is something that you are trying to get from a mentee this time around and maybe pitch your project for just a few minutes before we turn it back over to men. Hi Peter. Thank you Bobby. So for me, it's about the code quality all the way through. So for the projects where I am judging applicants, the best thing you can do is to showcase what code you've written. And people often make the mistake of thinking that if they don't have open source contributions to some sort of high profile project that's out there, then they have nothing. This is not true at all. I don't really care if the code you've written was written in some project that has 100,000 likes on GitHub or stars or whatever, or if it's just a personal project of yours that no one has ever seen before. The point being that if it's out there and if it's good quality code that you're proud to showcase, then you should showcase it because the level of skill and experience that it takes to write the same high quality code in your own private repository versus in the fancy famous library that's out there is the same. So it has the same proof in it just because it's good code. This is why I like programming because if something works and it's sufficient, then we can reason about it fairly objectively compared to more human based factors. And a little pitch on the projects that I'm a mentor of. They're all tied to hyperledger cacti. It's about blockchain interoperability. It's definitely one of the challenging ones. So this pitch is for those who like a challenge because the complexity of these projects are usually much higher just based on the nature of the project itself. You know, instead of the projects focusing on a single ledger or a single technology within hyperledger with a single programming language. If you if you look at cacti it is focused on every single ledger that's out there and a handful of different programming languages that are tied to those technologies as well. So if you if you want to be in the figure fit then you can start there. Thank you. Thank you, Peter. How about you tell us a little pitch for your project and what you expect from a mentee. Yeah, sure. My academic background probably influences my expectations but I usually ignore technical skills. If you have some minimal skills, of course, because you can always pick those up on demand with a relatively short amount of time. What I'm really looking for and as I usually define as a learning goal is to try to really understand the overall goal of the project. So it's not like here is a specification do what I say kind of teamwork. It's try to understand what we want to achieve with this project. And once you have this, be proactive, think ahead, see the next steps and have a long term vision. And once you have that, that is just let's say technical details. So I think it's nice to have a long term goal. And also with teamwork, don't be afraid to communicate. We are available. I think, honestly, all the time basically ask questions, you can, you can also learn a lot about your questions. If you don't understand the part of the project, maybe it's not your fault, maybe it's our fault under specifying it. So let's communicate. And as for the proposed projects, I personally involved in two projects. One is an objectivity map for hypergerophobic, basically saying that let's try to use standard data modeling techniques to define what we want to use in our smart contracts, how we model assets, and let's automatically transform this to hypergerophobic smart contracts, data models without any pain and errors in the process. And the other one is the one-flop shop hypergerophobic performance analysis, which is a special favorite of mine. I did my dissertation on this, basically, which is a co-mentor project with Harris from the Performance SK working group. So let's try to understand how to correctly measure the performance of hypergerophobic from every possible aspect. Everyone does this on their own, so let's consolidate it into a central hypergeal performance center, if you would like it. Thank you, and thank you for being a part of the panel. Sean? Our project is written in Rust. There are not that many developers out there who know Rust. So what we're looking for isn't someone who has all the Rust experience because there's simply not that many people out there who have that. All we really want is someone who has read the description of the project and understands what needs to be done. And then from that, come up with a proposal which shows that they've understood the problem and they've got a rough idea of how they're going to solve it. Solve the problem without actually doing the work, but just show that you understand the problem sufficiently, that you know how you're going to do this. Yeah, that's really what we're looking for in a proposal. And I can't emphasize enough that you really should ask as many questions as possible. People always say ask questions, but we always come across people coming proposals and there's this. People have struggled to write a proposal, and then they've fallen short here or there. And if they've just asked some questions, then it would have been much better. It's almost impossible to ask too many questions because we never have that problem of people asking too many questions. So please don't worry about if your question silly or so. It's not silly. I can assure you. So ask questions understand the proposal and come up with a good plan of how you intend to solve it. As for the project I work on hybrid solar. So this is a compiler. So it's a great project if you're interested in programming languages, smart contracts or compilers. There's three different mentorships available. One of them is very compiler technical about ASTs. If you're interested in compiler technology, then that's definitely something that would be very interesting to work on. The other ones are more, more sort of blockchain smart contract related. So if you're interested in smart contracts, how they work, this would be a great way to actually work with the development tools that make smart contracts happen. Thank you. And I just want to, before I close out, address a question in the chat. Min had showed this page before. This is where the projects are the way you decide if a project is right for you is to read through these. And at the bottom of each one is a contact person who is the mentee who will be glad to answer any of your questions, if that's the project that interests you so that you can figure out if the one, if it's the one you want to do the proposal for again I do documentation standard I'm looking for someone to help us define our user needs for documentation has nothing to do with coding so there's so many choices. So I'll turn this back over to men and john so thank you very much and thank you for my panel. I appreciate your time. Great. Yeah, see there are a lot of questions on chat. David, thanks for responding to some of them other any that have not been answered. A lot of questions about, you know, there are a lot of mentorship projects how do I know, you know which ones I should apply to. Yeah, I think it requires a little bit diligence on your part that's part of the application process right we want you to kind of read through them. See the variety of projects out there. Are you going to see coding documentation research, you know, take a look. And also the mentors today on zoom also, you know, talked a little bit about, you know, cacti or so long awesome, you know, caliper projects, but they're more right more than that. Part of the, yeah, that's part of the application process we want you to read through them get a good understanding and see which ones pick your interest and yeah, apply those. And, you know, in terms of prior experiencing open source contribution. I think they will be helpful but they're not necessarily required as many of the mentors explained here. You know, I think they're really looking for people who are who have that open mind right who want to participate in hyper lecture who want to learn how to contribute in open source and somebody who is, you know, inquisitive and like to solve problems. So having some background in those languages, especially for coding projects, I think will be helpful prior open source contribution is not required but desirable let's put it that way. So if you have some contribution process, you know, experience put it in your application, the mentors will look at those. But there are many other factors of sure the mentors look at as well. Any other questions that I didn't answer. Back to you John. Okay men well thank you very much and everyone I just want to say thanks to men and hyper ledger foundation for putting together mentorship program. And you know now it's in seventh year as men talked about and over 30 projects. And I'm really excited about being a part of the mentorship program this year. You know, most of the people here think they've joined are really going to be applying for mentorships because we talked about this being how to apply to the mentorship program meetup. So let's hear a little bit from previous mentees and some of the takeaways that they have from being a part of the event. So today I've got Andre, Mickey and Lucas joining us. And so I guess I'll just kick it off with Andre and Andre you want to talk a little bit about your background and what you did for the mentorship program in the past. Yeah, sure. So, my name is Andre I'm a PhD students in Lisbon in Portugal. At the time I did the mentorship last year I was a master student yet. But yeah, this is I have background on computer science, and the project was in the concern with the blockchain interoperability, a little bit tight to hyper ledger cacti. It was cactus at the time. Yeah, and I was I worked with with guys from Budapest, you know, colleagues from Attila that was a mentor as well. Yeah, it was was a really good experience on my side. Perfect. Yeah, that's wonderful. Mickey how about yourself. Hello, can you him. Yeah, we can hear you perfectly. So yeah, so my name is Mickey and I'm from Hong Kong. I'm also a master student in computer science. So, last year I did hyper ledger mentorship on hyper ledger refer, which is like work on interoperability of different blockchain, you know, as an exchange NFT, etc. So, yeah, that's all. Okay, perfect. Thanks. And then Lucas, how about yourself. Hello, everyone. I'm Lucas. I'm originally from Brazil. I was the mentee on the hyper ledger so long in 2021. While I was an undergraduate student in computer engineering. After having classes of creating systems and compilers are really both interested in that subject. I started searching about the Linux foundation and I found about the mentorship and decided to apply was really nice experience mentor in mentee sorry. Perfect. Okay, so I want to find out a little bit about and we'll just start with Andre again. How did you discover the program for the mentorship. And also what did you learn about contributing to open source from being a part of the mentorship program. Yeah, so, first of all, I discovered the program through a colleague, I had a colleague in my university that was actually a mentor in the year before me. He told me about about the program at the time I was working in my master's thesis in topics related to blockchain and probability. So, you know, the whole ecosystem, the hyper ledger ecosystem was really suited to my to my needs as a student. Also through social media and you know some LinkedIn posts about about the mentorships. And yeah, I mean it's not really hard, or at least I wasn't, you know, really undecided. I wanted to apply or not because I believe this is one of. And there's not a lot of places that offer you the same conditions, you're basically getting paid to learn and you know connecting with people from all over the world with with your mentors, which have a lot of experience, you know, doing new things, new technologies, and yet basically having someone right next to you basically every day at least in my in my case it was actually every day available to answer questions and you know to guide you to mentor you in everything you help with. So, yeah, it was it was definitely a very easy decision to decide to apply about contributing to open source. An open source project. I was one of the lucky ones that had a comment in a pull request from Peter multiple times and it was. It's really interesting because I didn't have that experience with with open source projects. There's a lot of questions there in the in the chat about that I didn't have much experience about that. I was, I was really a new doing those kinds of things. Yeah, and you know the community helps a lot. You know, you can post questions in the in the discord channels as well and, you know, probably anyone will will that knows the answer will will answer the question and support you so yeah it was really interesting to have that experience with with open source projects which, of course, it's a little bit different from contributing to something that is a little bit more private in in in a company or just your personal project of course. Perfect. Yeah, that's wonderful. Great to hear. And Mickey, how about yourself, what do you how do you discover the program and then also what did you learn about contributing to open source community. I discovered mentorship program through Google search. Actually, at the time, everybody was talking about blockchain and I was like, okay, I should do internship in blockchain and and hypernation mentorship is one of the top search results. So, yeah, so I click into that and when once I see all the projects for the mentorship, I was like, oh, I was really excited and I actually like look through every one of them and, you know, select the one that interests me the most. And yeah, so the things I learned about open source development is that is that, you know, actually is more than coding, you know, like, because also the community is as important as the development, the software development. And yeah, so also, you know, you learn to how to work with different people from different parts of the world. Like, for example, my mentors is from IBM research and they from India and, you know, it's like the first time I work with Indian Indian people. And that gives me, you know, a lot of experience in, you know, working internationally. And also, it really, you know, like, give you experience in communication skill on the, you know, how we come up, come to the same thing we want in the coding part. Yeah. And for more, I think, you know, they give a lot of opportunities to connect with different people and, you know, we even have a link in group after we finish the mentorship and I think this is a really good opportunity. Yeah. Yeah, that's wonderful to hear, Mickey. And I really like the fact that you highlighted community because hyper leisure has always been community driven and, you know, what you've gained as far as connections and everything else is wonderful. So thanks, Mickey. Lucas, over to you. How about how did you discover the program and what did you learn about contributing to the open source community from being a part of the mentorship. So, back in 2021 I was searching about Linux kernel. And by doing some scientific researches, I found out about the Linux Foundation and found that there was a mentorship program on the Linux Foundation. It was in January so I just saved the date to know that later that year there will be many mentorship projects to apply. And I came back to the Linux Linux Foundation website. Had a look at all the projects and found out one about the compiler, the Appalachia Sol and compiler. I found it really, really interesting. It was about compilers of optimizations and everything that was interested in learning more about and I decided to apply. The experience has been cool. I learned many aspects about collaboration. So I was working with someone with a different background in mind. So we had this many discussions about how to adapt my code to the code base and how to follow certain coding principles that I was not used to doing in the past. And I also think it was a really nice opportunity to develop something that people will really use. So there are many developers who download the compiler to work on their personal projects. And you had that pressure to make sure that your code is really going to work because people are going to download and notice that there's something wrong if you don't do it correctly. Perfect. Yeah, no, that's great. Okay, let's jump over and let's talk a little bit about, you know, we want to find out what you're going to get out of the mentorship program. And so Andre, I'm going to go back to you and talk about how did the mentorship experience contribute to your professional and academic goals? What did you see as far as your growth out of the mentorship program? Yeah, so as I was saying, I was at the beginning, I was in my master's, so I was working in interoperability. My work was a little bit more focused to research, not really development, at least in an initial stage. Then I was caught in touch with the hyper-ledged community and the mentorship kind of opened the doors to a lot of new things as well, with the research part and according to the implementation part as well. And, you know, I am now a PhD student, which of course research is probably more important than implementing stuff. But my mentors were also researchers, so it was really good to have that mentorship in that phase as well. We actually produced an academic paper at the end of the hyper-ledger mentorship. We actually met some more times after the official period ended just to deliver the final paper. So I believe in terms of academic goals and not really professional because I'm still in the academic life. But in terms of academic goals, I think it was really, really important for me. Firstly, because it was my first paper, real, real paper, and it got accepted recently in a workshop. So, yeah, I think it was a valuable experience in that sense, just building the base knowledge so that I can now build on top of that and aim for new and higher things. Perfect. Yeah, that's wonderful to hear. Great. Miki, how about yourself? How did this contribute to your professional and academic goals, the mentorship program? Yeah, so basically, you know, put some like project code sample in my portfolio, like a GitHub profile. And this really made my series stand out to, you know, HR and actually I got a lot more opportunity for the field, you know, because I have a hyper-ledger mentorship on my series compared to other classmates that didn't have this mentorship on their series. I think, yeah, so it really helped you, you know, get the interview opportunity. And secondly, I think it's because you can connect with your mentor on LinkedIn, for example. And, you know, if you are looking for opportunity, maybe they know somebody who is hiring and, you know, maybe you can connect with us. So, yeah. Great. Well, that's wonderful to hear. Lucas, how about yourself? What did you find as far as your academic or professional development from the mentorship program? Well, academic wise, it was a really nice opportunity to deep dive into compilers. I was really interested in the subject. And not only I had the opportunity to code in a real compiler, but also Sean provided me with many books and papers to read and increase my knowledge about the subject. And professional wise, I was interested in doing the mentorship to have some real-world experience in a large code base, in a large compiler code base. And now I had now something to show on my GitHub for many recruiters. But in the end, my mentor conferred me to a job position as well. So it really helped me find a job. Yeah, that's wonderful to hear, Lucas. And I think that that's a lot of the mentees get that opportunity once they're a part of the program for sure. Okay, so I'm going to go with one question to wrap up here. And that is, you know, Andre, I'll start with you again. What is your advice for those interested in implying to be successful in getting one of these mentorships? So, Andre, you want to address that? Yeah. Well, first of all, apply. Don't let the opportunity run away. Yeah, I mean, I think the key is just enjoying what you're doing and apply for something that is really, you know, what you like to do and something that you ideally you work on or you have some ideas that can, you know, leverage the project and do something out of that. And then, you know, it's the usual thing in software development, we need, we need patients, we need to be persistent. We need to ask for help when we, when we, when we need it, we need to have guidance. Yeah, and, you know, these projects, and from my experience, are usually big, so it's difficult to get the things first. So yeah, start by making like small contributions to the projects and get to know the things. And yeah, build on top of that and yeah, apply, just apply. Perfect. No, that's wonderful. Thanks, Mickey. What's your thoughts on having a successful application to the mentorship? Yeah, so I would say like put as much detail in your proposal as possible because that's how you stand out from the rest of the applications. And also it show you, you know, you are really serious about the mentorship. And secondly, I think you should, you know, focus on like, okay, one or two applications, not too many applications because that will just, you know, waste your effort and you will not get in because, you know, that's not as much detail in the proposal. As you like. And also, you know, when you're doing the proposal, read through the code base, the path that is related to the project and start early in your application. Yes. Great. I think those are all perfect points. Start early and be laser focused. Sounds perfect, Mickey. Thanks. Lucas, how about yourself? What do you want to suggest to anyone applying to the mentorship program to make it a successful application? So just perspective means is to read about the mentorship, the mentorship project, understand the problem know what they're going to work on to be possible to write a very complete mentorship proposal that's really going to be very catchy for mentors when selecting to interview and not be afraid to apply. As Andrew said, sometimes we think we have a weak profile and we are not being selected, but we were only going to find out if we are strong enough if we apply. Perfect. Yeah, nothing ventured, nothing gained, right? So I encourage everyone to apply for sure. Perfect. Well, thanks for all that insight. I really appreciate it. I'm going to turn it back over to men now for any closing remarks. Yeah, thank you Lucas, Andre and Mickey for sharing your experience. And I have been answering questions on chat. Okay, there's one last one for applying. Yes, you apply on LFX. So on LFX you will, you know, you have to fill in some information about yourself. I think even ask you to link to your GitHub, you know, profile, LinkedIn if you have any. And we do want our mentees to submit an updated resume and a cover letter. So in that cover letter, you can address, you know, why are you passionate about, you know, getting a mentorship at Hyperledge Foundation specifically, you know, the projects that you're applying for. And some of the projects do ask for, you know, your previous open source contribution. So that in that cover letter, that might be the place to put it in. Yeah, really just apply on LFX because that's if you don't apply on LFX, you only contact the mentors and sending your resume via email. That doesn't get into our system. You have to do it on LFX. Did I answer your question, Guillermo? Hopefully. So I'm going to turn the microphone to David. So mentorship program is really a one way to participate and get involved in the Hyperledge community. They're really a myriad of many, many ways of how you can, you know, the community is open to all other many, many other ways to get involved. So I'm going to have David to talk about some of the other resources that might be helpful to you. Thanks, man. And thanks to everyone who spoke. I think everything that people were talking about about the benefits of taking, you know, part in the mentorship program such as learning opportunities, gaining experience and networking and connecting with people in the community. That can all be done in other ways as well. So I just wanted to let you know that there are other things beyond the mentorship program. You don't have to wait, for example, a whole another year for the mentorship program to start again next year if for whatever reason you don't get your application in this year or you're not selected at any point anytime during the year. There are other ways to get involved and take advantage of these other, you know, opportunities. So I just wanted to briefly speak about those and see if there's any questions about that. So let me just share my screen really quick. And I'll share the slides. Are you able to see my screen? Great. Thank you. Any questions about this? Just let me know. But again, I wanted to share, as we've been saying, we do have this mentorship program. There are a limited number of slots, though, so not everybody who's necessarily interested will be able to take part in that this year. We do again, of course, we'll run this again next year. We do encourage you to run, you know, apply again next year. But if you're looking for other opportunities for learning and gaining experience and networking, I just wanted to share some other opportunities. We do want you to get involved with the mentorship program, but also all these other ways that we have to get involved in the community as well. So I think all of the points about why to get involved have been covered already, but I do just want to highlight I agree everything that the mentors and the mentees have pointed out I think are very valid so you will learn a lot from interacting with other community members if you get involved in the community. You will gain great experience that you can put on a resume or have on your GitHub profile. And you can network with individuals and organizations from our worldwide community. And just to give you a quick visual of, you know, the organizations in our community, we have, you know, many different organizations of all different sizes from all around the world who are in the community that you can interact with and network with by getting involved. And I think that question then is if you want to get involved, how do you do that so I just want to speak a little bit about how to participate in an open source community. I think a good starting point is taking advantage of learning resources and you're doing exactly that you're, you know, we host these meetups as an opportunity for people to learn about what's going on in hyperledger so you're doing that so you're doing this but just to point out there are other learning groups. We have a number of online self paced training courses that's with this images over here so if you're interested in learning about our more of our technologies you can go through that information yourself and gain that knowledge. We also regularly run online and in person workshops so you can sign up for upcoming workshops or go back and watch the recordings of previous workshops that information is all, you know, publicly available. And many, if not most of the projects have online tutorials where they help you walk through how to use and get started with the different projects so just be aware that these resources are there and you can go through at any point in any time. But I get it and I see in the zoom chat a lot of people have said hey I have experience with developing and using blockchain and using these technologies but I haven't necessarily been involved in open source before so I just wanted to share some tips and some ideas for how to get involved in open source I understand it's a different kind of model, for example then like working at a corporation or other types of internships maybe that are in person at an organization so just getting involved in open source, you know one tip is feel free to lurk. So just show up if you're interested in a project you can always just show up at the meeting there's no obligation to talk you can just listen in. It's a great way to understand what are people talking about, what are the issues that are being discussed, you know, and that's a way to get comfortable. And then again you are invited to get involved and speak or submit a pull request or do anything in our community you don't, you don't need an invitation from anybody to do that. You know I think Peter may have said earlier don't ask if you can ask a question just ask the question right you it's an open invitation so you don't need to necessarily wait if you have a question or have a suggestion just go ahead and throw that out there on any of our channels calls or discord or meetings or, you know mailing lists. We do want to make sure that if you show up and participate that you have a positive experience so we do have a code of conduct that is enforced we do take this seriously, you're welcome to read it to see what sort of expectations we have set in the community but again, you know we do want to make sure that it's a positive experience for you if you do choose to get involved. So again, no invitation is needed but if you would like an invitation here's your invitation please please do get involved. And open source at this point you know is very well established there's all sorts of online resources about how to get involved these are just links to a few of them but if you just Google, you know how to contribute open source lots of stuff pops up but just to point out, you know, a lot of resources online if you want to take advantage of those. And that speaks to open source in general but I do want to point to a few things that are hyperledger specific so again your enemy to so I think you already understand this is a great way to interact and collaborate with community members. We do work now that we are emerging from the pandemic we are getting back to in person meetups will be aware we've been doing mostly virtual meetups for the past few years. But if you're looking to interact in person with members near you, community members near you those are getting started up again too so if you want to check out our meetup program. There's more virtual meetups coming up but there's also some in person meetups coming up to that you're welcome to get involved with. There's a view of a map of where our meetups are it's really all over the world you know we have meetups in over 80 countries so there's likely one near you. And if there's not one near you reach out to us and we'd, you know, we'd love to help you get one started. So, you're welcome to always attend a meetup speak at a meetup if you want to talk about what you're doing with hyperledger you can support a meetup if you want to post a meetup where you are. Great, and we appreciate that and we'd be happy to work with you on that and if you want to organize meetups in your areas. Reach out so this email address the meetup at hyperledger.org if you have any questions about anything related to meetup feel free to reach out to us there. And I think it was discussed earlier by some of the speakers earlier we do have regional communities so if you're interested in speaking to people, for example, in a different language or connecting with people where you are beyond just the city where some of our our meetup groups have come together on a larger regional level so for example I think somebody mentioned the India community earlier that that is we have meetups all over India and they have come together and chosen to work together as a larger regional effort so you know we we have these active chapters as well that you're welcome to get involved in. So I'll go into a lot of the details on this again this is all online you can take a look at it but just to point out we do have a number of tools that you can use to collaborate mailing lists for example wiki discord so all of these tools are open. Again no invitation is needed you can show up and just get an analytics fund a free Linux foundation account and start, you know, interacting with us there so after this meetup is over if you have another question you're like oh I wish I'd asked that question will come on discord and you know find us and ask you know ask us there so just be aware, these tools are there. They're open. We encourage you to use them. I've come to all the details of this and this is the sort of information you can find by going through tutorials and go through the training information and looking at the information online but just to say if you are interested in getting involved with a project say like cacti like Peter was talking about earlier if you want to say like hey, I really want to get some experience with blockchain interoperability this is important I want to be able to show a future employer that I know, you know what, you know, that I have these skills get involved right again you can be a part of an official mentorship program to get these skills you can just show up, take a look, you know, as Peter said you know many of these, you know projects have good first issues. They have regular places where you can show up and ask questions and they have contributing guides or read the guides and they'll walk you through if you want to get involved in this project do these steps right so here's a series of steps you can get a copy of the repository for example find the issue. So, just again to reiterate I know I just said it but it's important to emphasize you don't have to be approved to be in a mentorship program to get involved with the project just show up and and take a look at what's going on and, you know, you can gain that experience other ways. If you want to do something new as well, you know I don't think we touched on this too much but people did talk about kind of having started a project, you know, you, we do have an open process for starting a new hyperledger lab which is where experience where where new projects can go and once they get more experience and gain traction they become can become a hyperledger project. For example, Sean mentioned tolling earlier that's started out as lab and became a project to so if you're interested in collaborating but you don't see an existing project that fits what you're wanting to do you're like I want to do something but it's sort of new start a new lab and you can get experience that way as well. Again I'm going to just go through this quickly but just to point out another way to collaborate is to bring hyperledger projects and information about hyperledger projects to people. And then you don't have to be a coder to get involved in the community I know I saw some questions in the zoom chat earlier about like I don't necessarily have coding experience or I'm not necessarily a developer but I understand blockchain and use cases that's great and there are other ways to get involved in that as well so just to point out hyperledger is not only for developers you can get involved at any level with any different skill set. So somebody who doesn't necessarily have that coding experience or is not a developer, but it's interested in how blockchain and distributed ledger technology being used get involved in their special interest groups we have a number of special interest groups that go across a range of different industries so if you're saying hey, like personally I'm really interested in how distributed ledger technology is being used in climate related use cases well we have a special interest group for that you can show up and get involved and help, you know do a case study or do some research or do some documentation, you know there's all sorts of ways to get involved with the technology that doesn't involve being a developer so just if you don't have that. You know coding background don't worry there are other ways for you to get involved in all our special interest groups just like our projects are open, and you're welcome to join. They have mailing lists, they have a chat channel just like all the projects they do have regular meetings so you can just find all that information on each of the six wiki page if there's one that looks interesting to you. dive into the wiki take a look at the information that's available and you know show up at those groups. So I went through that quickly. I know the most of the call was about the mentorship program I did want to just share these other opportunities so apologies for going through that quickly but if there are questions you know we do have a little bit more time left and I'm happy to answer them. Okay, and I see that Josie is here so you have questions about you know regional chapters or what's going on with hyperledger in different languages, you know, he could share more about what's going on with Brazil, for example. So I'm just taking a look at the zoom chat. I don't see any additional questions right now. But if you do certainly feel free to let me know. And we stop sharing I will check. I use a question care. David from Karen Verma, can we get those links after the meeting I think you shared a lot of links. Yeah, absolutely. So what I'll do is after the meetup is over, I will send the recording of the meetup and then my slides out to ever and then the links to the, you know, mentorship information on the wiki to everyone who signed up for the meetup. So look for an email later today. Great. And let me check on YouTube I have been keeping on YouTube while we've been talking and people have been asking some questions. Let me just see if anybody's asking. I do see a question on YouTube men just says, can you please talk about the mentee stipends I don't know if that has already been addressed or not, but it looks like that just came in. Maybe they missed the information earlier. Sure. Yeah, so the selected so it is a competitive process to apply and get accepted. So her pleasure foundation will provide a stipend for the selected mentees to work on these projects under the guidance of these mentors, and we use. Let me just find that says, kind of a tier structure. That will be all right. So it's this link. So it's based on where you live, since you know we accept mentees from literally anywhere around the world except unless there's some sort of a political conflict and you know money cannot go to certain countries right other than that you can you know you could be you can be from anywhere and will be, we can make the stipends over to you and that's based on kind of the standards. So it's scaled based on your country of residence. And when you submit your application on our facts, you will, you know, putting that information which country do you live. So based on where you are and the stipend amount is differs. So if you're from India, it's 3000 if you're from us is 6000. And if you're from. I'm looking in Switzerland probably it's $6600. So it's really it kind of it's tied to kind of the local living standards and living expenses. Great that answered the question it just saw. Any other questions either about the mentorship program or just getting involved in the community in general. I'm checking YouTube I don't see any other questions on YouTube I'm not seeing any other questions on zoom chat. Well again, you know as I said if you have another question in 10 minutes from now you're like oh I wish I'd asked this just you know this is not the only opportunity here you know feel free to join us on any of our channels and we'll wait I see there is one more question too I don't see them I can't see the mentorship channel on discord. Yeah, there is. Let me find it. Yeah there is a lot going on on discord certainly. Yeah, sometimes it's even hard for me to find it. Let's see. Search. Well, while min goes and finds that want to just thank everyone, including men for her leadership here with our Hyperledger Foundation mentorship program. And Bobby and john thank you for leading the panels today and always being such great champions of the Hyperledger Foundation community worldwide we really appreciate it. And of course all the mentors and mentees who spoke today and the many more who participate and contribute to this program it's really one of the core programs that the Hyperledger Foundation and our Hyperledger members fund on a yearly basis to make sure that we continue to grow our ecosystem and obviously you know address the needs of the developer project so want to thank everybody for your participation today and and I look forward to hearing from all the mentees and mentors as we continue this program in 2023. Yeah for sure. Thank you everybody for joining in and we look forward to seeing your application and we look forward to seeing you in the community. Well it sounds like we're set. If there are no more questions. Thanks everyone for your time. Thanks everyone. Thank you. Bye bye.