 Right now you've given a lot of detail on why we should leave alone even innovators and not even sit with them as you said But my question is what if you have an individual like there are many many individuals in the world today who are not openly calling to innovation Do we treat them the same as the other innovators that you're speaking about? Without a doubt if you look at the books of the Sunnah, you look at the books of the scholars Books of Hadith as well. The scholars they do distinguish between the one who calls to his innovation And the one who doesn't If a person is not calling to his innovation He takes a toll to a different ruling from the one who isn't according to it So if he's calling and if he isn't calling it's two different rulings So would you not agree that many of the speakers today are not calling to their innovation? They're rather calling to doing good deeds like we knock around being good to your parents Is that something you'd agree with? You see that's the thing I mean I when I say when when I say a lot of the speakers now that would mean I would have to look at statistics And I would have to I don't know I can't sell all of them or majority of them or but what I can say is There are a portion of them. I can definitely say that Calling to misguidance is it's not a person has to come and say I'm the jail or I am here to misguide you. It's done in different ways in different forms I mean, let me just read a speech on you, which I think is very Relevant to the question you just asked. Yeah, this statement of Al-Imam-Shaykh-ul-San Taymiyya that they are away from what was what's really Imported for them to understand Shaykh-ul-San Taymiyya, he says The innovation at the beginning is just a handspan Okay Thumma taqtulu fil atba'i hatta tasira adra'an wa amyalin wa farasikha and the followers that handspan innovation becomes an armspan and then it becomes a mile and then it becomes you know Continents it just grows the innovation. So it's not like it's you're gonna see a big innovation straight away It creeps in another statement Mufad al-ibn al-muhalha linsad lo kana sahib al-bida'a if the innovator the person is taking knowledge from it I'm jealous to if you sat with him or if I sat with him it you had the thuka He will tell you if you sat with him and as soon as you sat with him. He told you his innovation, you know You had the thuka be bid'at he had that I'm in who you would run away from it You know what you would not want to sit with him Well, I can know you had the thuka be a haditha sunnah He will tell you the hadith of the sunnah Feeb would do it majlisi majlisi at the beginning of the gathering the first time that you meet him He will call you to the sunnah This is what he will do to you thumma yutqil wa alayka bida'atah then he'll put the innovation into you Fala allaha talzamu qalbaka fa matta taqruju min qalbi And then it connects to your heart and then when it would actually leave your heart Okay But what I can see from my personal experience is many of the people giving da'wah They might not necessarily be clear cut innovators like you're saying but at the same time You might not even put them into the category of clearly as you mentioned Understanding the qalbi and the sunnah based upon the understanding of the companions rather it's unclear exactly where they fall in between those two groups Those kind of people they're still calling you to good deeds. You can listen to them Okay, that's a very important thing which is we would have to really ask ourselves What makes a person be a person who's doing doing doing good and what isn't who isn't really doing good? and I would say my question would be Your message Who's it following? What protocol is it following? What? What order in sequence is it following? Are you making the order for the da'wah? Are you just making it as you wish because for me da'wah is toki fia I mean it's it's something that's set you and I can't come and make our way in da'wah Okay, but when you say for you that means someone else can have a different opinion No, I'm saying when the prophet said sallallahu alayhi wa sallam and that is my path follow it Okay, there's certain things we'd agree are good deeds reading the Quran is a good deed. We'd agree on that I I'm saying that that person should call to the Quran He should call to righteous actions as in plain sunnah He should call to that but that shouldn't be the The essence of his da'wah. Okay. The essence of his da'wah should be then calling to tawhid