 We're here at CBS 2016 in Nairobi, in Kenya, and I'm very pleased to be joined in the studio by Andrew Rugege, who is regional director for Africa for the international aesthetic communication and ITU. Andrew, thank you very much indeed for being with us today. Thank you, Max. It's always a pleasure to talk to you. It's always a pleasure to be in your studio. And we're here in your region, so the region that you're director of. So I just wanted to talk to you about this particular conference, this symposium here. We're here in Kenya. Why was Kenya chosen as a venue? It's worked very well, but I'd like to hear from you. For several reasons, Max. Kenya is a great destination, not only for conferences, but also for the experience of the participants. Now the tourism in this country is renowned, but a bit more to what ITU does. It is a great venue because they also have a lot to show. They tell me they have a lot to learn, as you had from the deputy president yesterday. But I think all things considered, there's a lot to learn. There's a lot being done on the ground. Two weeks before I was here, I was invited to their public hearing on the ICT policy of the country. So that is a lot to learn. And in terms of this particular subject, capacity building, why is that important to ITU? Capacity building is important to everybody. And the ITU being the specialized agents of the United Nations, capacity building is very important, not least to achieving the sustainable development goals. But also, the membership when they get together, they determine, for example, the priorities for the regional initiatives. Regional initiative number one for Africa is capacity building, institutional and personal capacity building. But that's not withstanding. I think to come to a continent where capacity building is probably most needed, I think is to encourage that continent to achieve more in terms of capacity building, especially in this area of ICT that is new to the continent. They say the highest growth is in some of the African countries, but that requires that we build the capacity of people. And ITU is the leading organization that provides technical assistance to member states in capacity building. Now there's been some fascinating sessions here, some great discussions. I wanted to find out from you what have been the main takeaways from this? Let me talk about the session that I personally moderated. The one I personally moderated was about coping with capacity building needs in this changing environment. As you know, every day there is some innovation in ICT. Every day there's some requirement for ICT in a development area. So how do you keep up with the skills that are needed? And what came out yesterday was fascinating. I had several capacity building institutions there, but I also had private sector. I had Inter, I had Cisco on board. So what came out was, number one, there needs to be partnership. Partnership from the different points of view to see Cisco and Inter and these institutions coming together to partner on capacity building was very important. But number two, what came out was that we needed to be sensitive as capacity builders, to be sensitive to the demand. What is the demand? Are you going to produce historians where you have the biggest need in ICT or are you going to produce in this particular time rocket scientists when your need is in big data? So what came out was that we needed to be sensitive, that the supply of this capacity building needed to be meeting a certain demand and a certain niche, and that way people can be more productive. And from the participants themselves, have you been getting some good feedback? Absolutely. I ran out of time because there were more questions than there was time, and it wasn't only questions, it was input and appreciation for what was being discussed and the ideas that were being brought on board. And I only spoke about the session that I moderated, but all sessions were like that. We had a ministerial session, a ministerial round table, where we had about the policy that is being implemented in the different countries around the world really, not simply on the continent, but around the world. And that was fascinating. The issues of the need for light touch regulation, the need for public-private partnership, all those things came through converging on the subject of capacity building. It's not just Africa, but we've attracted participants here from a whole global environment here. What do you hope people will go home thinking and talking about? Number one, that they are not alone. We know that this is an issue to be dealt with, but I think everybody learned that there was a little bit of what was required that they were doing, and there was a little bit that they could learn from the other country. And that was an important lesson. But the other important lesson was what ITU does and what it is able to help to accompany. We don't use the word help because we are not helping with anything, but we accompany the countries in achieving their objectives. And in this case, in achieving capacity building, right from the early levels of education through to postgraduate, there is a need for capacity building, especially as the message that we are giving is that ICT is not an end in itself. It is a facilitator, it's a catalyst for achieving goals that improve a better quality of life for people. Andrew, thank you very much indeed. It is my pleasure.