 All right, so I'm recording now. Let's just check this just to be sure. Oh, no, it stopped. All right. Let's record it Built-in microphone. Okay. We're good face-time camera. We're good Okay, so if you're not on the website, um, this is the website elizabethpampalone.com forward slash word camp if you Want to get the slides? The slides are here in like image form and then if you want to download the presentation later later today I'll put that up and I will be in the happiness bar the rest of the day I'll probably stay until about two or three because I got to drive back to Cincinnati So if you want to talk to me about anything you want to chat about anything. I'll help you with your stuff Just let me know I'm here. You're basically getting me today for free. So take advantage And then the slides and links will be all on this page And then there's also a link to get divvy with my favorite builder Which we'll talk about at the end of the slideshow, but we're gonna talk about quite a few others and why you would use a builder so I Actually have been a website designer for about 18 years Thank you And I love it I grew up doing this and I just love everything about WordPress what design websites helping people discover who they really are and putting that kind of like on paper in a website and I love solving people's problems and when I started with WordPress I felt like I was well I was coming from coding in notepad. So that was a pain and then I started WordPress thinking. Oh my gosh This is amazing. Well as I started to do more and more WordPress sites I started to see that I had to pick a theme that worked with a client and Worked with their industry well or looked good for them And then I would have to learn that theme Over and over and over it was like starting a new job every time I got a new client that needed a different theme than one I already worked with and Then I started trying to put clients into one theme like picking a really good solid base of a theme And I used blue chic themes for quite a while I actually mentioned them yesterday and they're a really good base theme. They're feminine driven but if you change the colors you can't help and I really was like okay I'm gonna put you guys all in blue chic themes learn them really well And then I found site origin builder which we're gonna talk about then I put that on top of blue chic And I was like this is amazing. I can duplicate things I can go faster and then I found out that there were other builders like beaver builder and Divi and things like that So my journey to go from straight WordPress working in you know The regular editor to using a type of builder that's on top of a theme or that is an actual theme as a builder Really allowed me to increase all the productivity that I was doing because I didn't have to relearn it every single time that I tried a new theme And I also didn't have to spend time looking for a theme. How many of you have spent hours looking for themes? It's a nightmare. It's awful. Okay so We don't want to waste our time or our money sometimes themes don't even have You know like you can't even demo it like you can see it, but you can't play with it How do I know that those controls are gonna be good to work with? How do I know I can get to the things I need to get to how do I know you know as a like a Let's say a non coder if I hand this off to a client How are they gonna be able to manage it and edit it when I can't even find stuff in it? So it's sometimes you have to kind of buy it before you try it and I feel like that's silly with a lot of the themes So a lot of the ones I'm gonna show you today actually have demos and I'm gonna put those links in the chat for you guys So I looked up those stats before I left and this is what it told me So I don't know if it's exactly correct, but I'm going with it that 19% of the web is run on WordPress and That's a lot of word camp people And if you have if you know, this is your first word camp welcome. We're so glad you're here. You'll be addicted. Don't worry But that's a lot of people that are running WordPress and that means there's a lot of opportunity for people to build themes but at the same time it's a lot of opportunity for bad themes and Just crappy themes that just don't work and that can really confuse you when you're trying to find something So the reason I really like the builders is because it's a theme and plugins and All the builders all in one piece so the theme you have controls some of your functionality typically and It might contain a builder with it, but it controls pretty much your visual aspects of your site Your plugins are really your functionality piece. They're what make things happen. They're the pieces that are gonna Lock together to make a website functional in a full sense and sometimes a builder can be just a plug-in Which is that functionality piece? But when you have a theme that is a builder you get all of that in one piece And you don't have to go hunting around for a plug-in that does this or a plug-in that does that Yesterday I mentioned duplicate post and duplicate page Those are two plugins that I like to use when you're using certain themes that don't let you duplicate things With a builder typically most of them you can duplicate any page or any post you want even save it as a template for later and then use it again and Just edit it change it whatever so then you don't even need those two plugins. You have this is already doing it for you And if you have any questions just stop me and we'll answer questions So a builder saved me 30% in design time because all my tools are right there. I didn't have to go out hunting for them And when I was editing and just redesigning things 50% of the time was saved because I'm not going back going okay now the client wants me to do x How in the world do I do that? Another thing about builders is they have a huge community behind them They are driven by community because people kind of glom on to them And then they bring their friends and then they bring their friends and it's like a wonderful pyramid scheme of builders And so then you have all these people that have done all this cool stuff with the builder that you might not have even thought possible And I know yesterday in the 201 classes the second portion of the day He was talking about how to write your own plugins and how to do it really quick with code You might pull from somewhere else Well a lot of the times with a builder you're using CSS and that can be really complicated to write if you're not familiar with it So one of the people that I follow is Gino. He actually is one of the divi kind of top divi people and he will do he does a blog and He will just go through and say hey, do you want to change one of your menu items to a button? Here's the CSS code and then you can basically use it and tweak it and learn from it And he actually did a code set that had the wrong padding the button was like off-centered And I was like Gino So I fixed it for myself and then saved it in my notepad because I wanted to make sure I had the good code But it was one of those things that you know He did it for me and then I used it and I tweak it and I use it all the time now on many different in many different areas of the Website so there's the builder will really save you time because all these people have done this for these builders They've learned them really well or they've adjusted them and you could just go out and Google it and find it like almost Immediately and it's simple code. It's not necessarily like you're trying to do a function or anything You don't have to write a function. You're really more using CSS to manipulate it to adjust it So it's a little bit simpler when you're looking at a design from a design perspective Builders can be anywhere from free to a lot of money and Some of them have lifetime subscriptions If you try a demo of one and you like it and you think I could use this this could work for me Just buy the lifetime Just do it because I actually didn't have a Divi demo before I purchased it. There wasn't one out there when I bought it and I actually just bought it site unseen lifetime and they even say on their website. We don't refund you I was like really scared But I did it anyway, and I let it sit in my in in my files for like two three weeks I was too scared to touch it. I didn't it was like well, I got it now I can't do anything, you know, I got to either use it or not but I started using on the next client site that I was building and It was a learning curve had to learn that one too, right? But that's what I was always doing relearning a theme relearning a theme and Once I actually got into it, and I started moving things around and then the second site I built oh my gosh, it was so much faster I was like well I really like this piece that I used on the other site I'm going to bring that over and change the colors and change the font or whatever Or I'm going to use it at the bottom of a page instead of in a column or whatnot And it really allowed me to say a client to say hey I saw a website you did and I really liked how this looked or how this functioned I could go back to that site pull down the piece. I needed Go to my new site upload it tweak it. I'm done. I'm not redoing the whole thing Have you ever had something you've been working with? Let's say it's a form you're filling out and It doesn't let you autofill How many people think that's annoying Where you're like typing it in and then you have to fill it out again Sometimes word camps use the same form and they don't do like paper call or something and they're like fill us form in 20 times For how many ever times you want to you know submit a talk and it doesn't autofill. It's the worst It makes it so frustrating, but this is like autofill for a website. You've already built it. You've already done it You just bring it over change the things that need to be changed and use them again The other thing about the lifetime ones are their unlimited uses typically so you have to look at the licensing agreements but with Divi I'm able to pass it on to clients as I work with them and Because I'm paying for the lifetime subscription. There's licensing things about that. You can also get it yearly You can pay, you know with things like 89 or so dollars a year. I'd be a hundred But you can basically know that when you put a client on something like be rebuilder or Divi or whatnot And they go away from you for some reason which I like to release clients I don't like to hold them hostage Then you know that there's this community that can support them out there You're not just letting them go and just being like alright see a good luck with that site I built you because it's all custom and have fun, you know It's something that they can go out and say hey I'm gonna go into this Facebook community or I'm gonna go to a WordPress community and I'm gonna say hey Does anybody know how to use this and like ten people are gonna know so it really gives me? You know more peace of mind that I'm when I build something for a client in a builder I'm giving them a little bit more of a head start Because they're still not going to be able to build it from scratch like they're not going to know all that stuff But I'm at least going to be able to give them kind of a head start in that where it's going to be a little easier for them going forward and I I really love working with builders and so once you go and you kind of take the step to the dark side on that Then you'll really I think you'll find that it's a lot better than maybe the process you've been using in the past now some people really like Beaver Builder and I find that more developers like Beaver Builder better because it's more expandable It's not heavy with code like they have all these terms They like to use and that's fine, but you have to find the builder that works for you Divi is more of a designers builder It's more about the pretty things and the waves and the shortcut pieces you can use and the icons and all that stuff And how easy it is to change this and that and so really looking at them all and trying them all like I said with These demos it's going to give you that sense of what works for me because when I say Divi and I'm like you should use Divi It doesn't mean it's going to work for you as well So you need to try all the ones that I'm recommending and even other ones that are out there because these aren't all of them So there are elements of a builder. I Like that. There's grid elements. There's blog elements When you're looking at them evaluate the pieces you use all the time for clients I use the blogging elements a lot I like that I can download pieces of Divi and re-upload them somewhere else a lot of the builders do that and Then like this one has like a chart thing and the number counter. I like that Also, this one has like background video and stuff like that initially most builders didn't do that But now most of them do so that's you know an element that I really liked about Divi when I first started using it Divi has a drag-and-drop editor. Most of them do they also have a visual editor most of them do so Keep those things in mind as you start to play with with different ones and look through different demos There's time-consuming functionality that can be done custom-coded that Divi does automatically by itself. I Love using background video in my headers and then what about mobile though? It's gonna be harder on mobile to have a background video It's gonna load slower And so what I've done with Divi, which I really like and I think the other builder does as well Is that you can basically say on desktop show this on mobile show these so you're really customizing it based on? What's gonna work best? Whereas if you're just building straight responsive and you're not doing a lot of custom coding You basically say here's my photo and then the you know the responsive code resizes it whichever way You might get this of a woman You know on a page and on the website it looks like this, but then she's like this And that's not great You know you want her face in the center or whatever and you can really adjust that on Divi You can also adjust the size of the photo or even have a totally different photo Then your header is on your main page on the desktop versus what you see on a you know tablet versus what you see on a phone So I like that about the builders is that you have more flexibility when it comes to responsive design Because I know you guys have probably been to a website or even built a website Where it looks great on the computer on your screen and then you get to another screen You're like crap now to go fix it because it's all messed up or it looks funny or the clients like why is my face cut off Why is my hair cut off you know stuff like that So you can really just go in and resize the photo exactly the way you need it and say only show this on mobile only show This on tablet or only show this on you know desktop So I love that about the builders is those kind of functionality that would take you more time in CSS coding Normally to do all that responsive stuff. It's done kind of automatically They also have a lot of third-party integrations There's a lot of social media platforms that integrate They have you know like instead of getting an Instagram display plug-in some of them have Instagram display Widgets that are just built into the theme built into the builder And you don't have to go out and find these extra plug-ins that may break that may Instagram may say oh We're not doing that kind of API anymore. Usually the paid builders. They're on top of that stuff They have hundreds and hundreds of thousands of users and they can't have their Instagram plug-in breaking as part of their Theme that means the theme is broken that means someone's gonna say well forget this I'm moving to a different one so they have to really be on top of that and I find that the paid ones are a little more Kind of paying attention to those things ahead of time whereas some of the plug-in builders They're just building it for themselves, and they may not update it for years And it may break they have a lot of mail services that are integrated So their mail blocks are already done You don't have to go get code from your mail, you know mail champ or whatever and bring it in and then paste it In and then make sure it's responsive and all that A lot of times they'll they'll have a block that just says sign into your mail chip account Which which list do you want to send this to and it's done? It's integrated and Divi specifically works really well with WooCommerce I really like the way that it looks even just kind of out of the box You don't have to do much with it on the cart button appears and everything So you know when you have Divi or when you have WooCommerce you're trying to find a theme that fits WooCommerce Maybe it has to be a WooCommerce theme and then you have to kind of sort through all those Then they're really shop centric with this with builders You can actually do a great blog a great e-commerce store and a great website all in one without having to find a theme That only really caters to one or the other questions No, okay. It must be doing a great job You can also create landing pages with Divi which I really like so let me um let me pull this over here So we're gonna look at this for a minute And this landing page I did for a website that I was doing it was actually a group that I had started and Jacksonville networking guide Do you see any headers on that? any menus There's no menus It's in my website. It's in a Divi built website But Divi has an option and a lot of the builders do that says remove the header and footer I don't want to see them. You know those lock pages I don't really like landing pages because it's like I got you. You can't go anywhere now You have to use the back button But in this case I wanted to send people here just to this page as Elizabeth pamphlet on comm fort slash You know Jacksonville landing or you know, whatever Jacksonville networking guy And so I wanted to send them just to that page But I didn't want it to look like my website and a lot of the builders let you kind of strip away the website Ness off your website and really build a true landing page and this was a really long sales page as well So, you know had lots of elements and had you know the testimonials and those this you know sale buttons and all that stuff But it was that way that you could just say I don't need another product. I don't need another plug-in My builder does this for me and all I have to do is say, you know how there's no footers and it just works And if anybody wants to know this photo is actually a website that I use let me show you guys I use this for all of my Portfolio stuff. It's called am am I dot responsive design dot is and I love it because it's got all these little elements. So it's got all your pieces and Go to this website and see what it looks like So it shows you what it looks like on all of the different sizes and then so for my portfolio Typically, I just like to see a desktop and a mobile. I don't really need to see the other two pieces So what I do is I swipe these out just drag them off. I move my phone over here and then I do this nice little feature and I just take a photo of it and That's for my portfolio Now this is my portfolio page right here. What do you think? And I stick that in my website and it's done. I don't have to screenshot anything I have to go like find us, you know screenshot or whatever I just do this and then everybody's like, oh, I can see what it looks like on desktop I can see what it looks like a mobile and then I can send them a link to this You know this link could be this photo can be linked to the site so they can actually see it Or whatever, but that's how I do the portfolio shots. It's just a real quick easy way Just want to show that with you guys really quick But yeah, these are pretty cool way of setting that up So if you like this this look that's how I do it, but it's am I responsive done? Actually, let me just put it in the I'll put it in the chat for you guys Be way easier. All right Okay, so That's that. Let's go to the next part here We're gonna look at a couple of the builders these are the ones I'm gonna go through I might not get to all of them So I have the slides for you guys. I'll have the links We're gonna start with beaver builder. So this is the beaver builder Demo, I'm hoping all of these work correctly So this is kind of a back end of what beaver builder looks like and if you're if you're beaver builder user It might not be exact because like I said, this is a demo. So I have some limited features And I'm not as familiar with it as I should be probably because I don't use it all the time He's divvied the most of the time, but you can see how easy it is to edit this If you want to so I can just come in here I can double-click it and I get this menu or I can actually just click on it and You know put whatever I want in there And save it. I can also Move it around. I can go back into this little thing and change the style. Maybe I want this to be red And maybe I have a color code that I want to use so let me look up gold and I've got This gold right here So I'm put that in so now it's gold and then See what else do I got? Got my font so I can change this I Chased my size so you can see it's really really simple to change this You know just by going in here and just looking at all the options. It's not you know rocket science really That's why I like the builders because it just gives me all the options You know, I don't really do anything to learn this. I can kind of it's intuitive enough Let's pick a different font There we go, and I don't like this color so I'm going back to black So does that make sense for you guys? Like it's this is beaver builder specifically. This is their front-end development And then of course you've got your save. I can add different elements. These are all my blocks I've got different columns. I can use I've got rows. I can add Different columns. I've got some templates I could just add a whole template if I needed to and then if there's any saved stuff like I've saved a Row that I like like this sliding You know Thank for like testimonials. I really like this row. I can save this row Show you that pretty sure it's in here Save as and I'm gonna say it's not a global one You don't want to save this global unless you want it to be the same on every single time you use it Kind of makes it like I'm gonna save it and then I'm if I change it it changes everywhere. I've used it Save this And if I go in here, I've got row one And I can drag them in and now I've got two of them Just see how easy that is like if I make something and I like it I can save it and use it again and again and again now global stuff. I like to use global For stuff like this. This is my footer. I'm not gonna change that I want it to be the same on every single one if I change the address I want it to change on every single page without it being in a footer area like in the dashboard, right? So I can essentially save this as a row. I'll say footer and I can save it as global So that every time I use it it puts the same piece in and if I change one piece if I change the address if I change the Logo if I add different link to my social Every single time I've used that across my site. It will change automatically because it's global. It means it's once and done, right? So that's beaver builder. What do you guys think? Okay, right pretty good. I said it works for some works better for some people and now it's good for others just depends Let's go ahead and look at themify. This is a video I'm actually just gonna pull up the link. I'm gonna put this in the chat for you guys, too There we go This one is just the go back here and get the video. They didn't have a demo for me Maybe I just didn't find it, but I couldn't find theirs and here's the link for the video So we'll just watch a little bit of this so you guys can see what it looks like so They're working on this right here. They're looking at if they're gonna do some different transitions and animations on it scroll speed Visibility like here's again desktop tablet mobile. They're choosing which one they want it to show on and Again, these boxes are pop-ups. This is very much You know pretty much a standard across a lot of the builders you get these pop-up boxes So you can see what you're doing, but then they go away and you can see your whole design again Which I like and they integrate with the WordPress pieces like the the media library and stuff like that All right, let's go out of this All right This one I would recommend watching the video It's about 10 minutes if you're interested in the theme of five builders anybody use them a fine Oh, you said you did you do okay And talk to these guys because they use it So talk to somebody who uses it on a regular basis ask them what they like about it what they don't like about it And then talk to other people about the other ones and ask them what they like about it What they don't and see where those pros and cons fit because some of the cons for someone else you'd be like That's not a big deal. I don't use that or no, I can live with that So just depends on you know what you're looking for and how you're gonna use it What kind of clients you have? Okay? Let's go through Next one here. Oh, yeah in the chat. Um, this is Elizabeth pamphelone.com forward slash word camp and I'm just putting the links in there so you guys can go back to them or if you want to look at them now and I'm just showing you these Little demos So this is the see here Make me do this every time. I did this the other day Yep, okay. Let me go back to my armor. I'll do it. I might have to skip this one I might have to skip to the next one. I've only got so much time Okay, how much time do I have left time keepers? Do I have 20? Time keepers should know All right, so I'll come back to that one if I need to but we'll look at this one first I've got like three more here too. All right Let's look at this one Don't you just love live stuff put this in the chat for you guys. Oh This one. That's right. This one doesn't have one either But this is an image that I found of this specific builders This is live composer and they're doing the same kind of thing now where they have those modules and they have the drag and drop and then I Like that they have this bottom bar where it's kind of like always there and you can add Different pieces that you use often like it's kind of like your most recent blocks that you've used It's a little different than some of the other ones, but this one actually is them designing for specifically mobile And so like I said, you have those mobile pieces And I don't think you should ever really design separate pieces for each of them But you should at least have it in mind that you're paying attention to each piece as you design So you're not getting into something where you're like, okay now You know, I've built this great site, but it looks horrible on mobile or it's all cut off or whatever And what he talked about in the keynote about like accessibility Paying attention to the spacing on mobile and stuff like that More white space you have I feel like the better Even if I have to scroll more it's fine. I want bigger buttons on mobile. I want clearer things Double columns on mobile is almost like why like my phone is small enough already. I don't need two columns of stuff So that kind of stuff those kind of design elements You have to just pay more attention to when you're designing for desktop is fine three four columns across even six But when you go to mobile or tablet, you have to really kind of look back at what you're doing and make sure that the responsiveness is Happening properly the other thing I like about builders is when you do columns on desktop Sometimes you can go in depending on the builder and you can actually say this column is first This column is second so that the mobile responsive will actually put it in the correct order Sometimes you have a picture like I like to do this the staggered pictures So I have like text picture picture text like so they're staggered, right? But then on mobile you want it to be picture text picture text Otherwise you have picture text text picture and it looks funny. It's like wait. Where'd the other picture go? And it's at the bottom then you have another picture next to it So it kind of makes it uneven it doesn't look right and so in builders You can actually say this picture is first this text is second this picture is third this text is fourth But on your computer looking you do desktop version you get that same staggered look You're just putting an order to them so that doesn't look weird on mobile. Yes It will not automatically fix it on the on some of the builders It gives them an assigned random number It will put it in the order that it thinks it should go in so You're basically saying it's not necessarily numbers per say it's not like one two three. It's more You know this should come before the next element Like the picture in the text you're saying this one's first this one second And then the next row or the next you know area this one's first this one second So it's more per like row I guess and in that case I would have set separate rows just so that they flow properly rather than if it's on the left It's going to be second. I mean if it's on the right. It's going to be second if it's on the left It's going to be first so it just depends on the like reading left to right kind of thing So but you have to play with that a little bit to see But when I've done it I always do it in separate rows And so then they the rows are in order, but the picture and the text which ones first may not be in order So that's what you need to fix on that alright This is the one. I really like I'm going to show this little video. I couldn't find the demo on it But I haven't used this one in a while, but I know that they've been keeping up with it really well So ever since I got Divya, I haven't haven't used it as much, but Let's do this You guys can see it This is what you can put on top of most themes So it's actually really easy to add to WordPress. You don't really matter what theme you're using That's why I used it with blue chic because they had a really great style and elements that I liked They get great layouts and great templates, but this really made me allowed me to take those templates further This is the back end. It does have a live editor now But I love the grid. I love that all the blocks are named They don't have a lot of blocks that are different colors and whatnot But you know like Divi does but their way the ease of use of this is kind of like if you haven't ever used a builder Throw this into your site. It's just a plug-in Play with it a little bit with the current site you have on a you know Separate page on a draft page and this will kind of get you used to that block style But it's very easy and user friendly. I feel like so it's kind of like my little starter builder But if you like things that are a little bit more, you know WordPress standard or look more like WordPress rather than their own deal This really integrates with WordPress really well And it doesn't feel like you're going outside of the norm and saying I'm using this really big builder that's taking over everything This is kind of like let me add this little builder on the side and try it out They have a lot of widgets and stuff that come with the builder, which is really cool And again all these things are stuff that you would normally be paying You know or getting extra plugins for and you might find a bad plug-in or a plug-in that doesn't work with your theme And this is something that you can really you know use sparingly or as much as you want And it usually works with much themes. Here's the code for these which I like to their code is very simple It doesn't overload. It's not as heavy as Divya's it does less, but it's not as it's not as heavy. I also love their Little column thing. I use this so so much it allows you to drag the columns width wise Divya actually doesn't let you do that. So it's a little surprising, but this specific one does So if you want a little flexibility with that, it's pretty awesome Alright, anybody pick one yet that they want to try and my tryout later All right, my favorite gonna run some Divi and This one actually is a aspen grove So I was gonna demo it on one of my sites and I thought no because then you guys can't see it Like you wouldn't be able to go to it later So I found a Divi demo, which I thought was pretty cool And I've got an affiliate link for if you want to buy Divi All right, so here's we're gonna look at one of these and these are some of the templates that you can do you can actually demo So there's lots of them in here Let's see. I really liked this one the other day. So we're gonna look at this Where'd it go? Okay, let's try this one All right, well we tried let's see if this works I am a member Silly Okay, let's let's log in maybe that'll help. It's not out of filling my pet pee All right now. Let's go back. It's thinking really hard. I think it's working. Yeah, it's working. All right Okay, so this is demo 11. Let's look at the front end So we can see what this page actually looks like Come on guy All right, I'm gonna close all these windows that don't are not necessary. Hold on a second. Oh Okay, so this is what the the template looks like I Really like it. I like their use of color. I like their use of this transparency on the photo They've used it again here and he actually slid in a second ago as I was scrolling I like the full width grid that they use here. So everything's there's no, you know padding or anything there I like the numbers so just a lot of the little pieces of Divi that are really cute and Work really well for different things I have a client that does They're a nonprofit and they have like a work with them women and like pregnancy and stuff like that And they give away diapers and so that we have a counter for how many diapers they've given away So kind of funny. It's like it's like in the hundreds of thousands. It just keeps counting and counting counting All right, so let's look and and you can see also cool things like you know The menu disappears as you scroll if you get to the top and then as you scroll down it reappears So we're going to look at the Editing this page now. We're going to look at this as the the grid view On how to edit this page on a grid side Which I like to use this sometimes when I need to get to one specific item one specific area So that you're not having to hunt for it on the visual builder so These are all the pieces that we just saw but this is the back end of it Everything's very laid out. You know, like I said really straight grid. They have full width. They have standard. These are rows And then you've got your columns within your rows and you have fancy columns and rows which are these a Little bit more fancy Then what we are using currently in here So let's go to the visual builder And I'll show you some of that Again, we've got these little hover buttons Like moving it around editing it duplicating it saving it and trashing it. So got that kind of stuff I can add another row here if I need to or another module within that row Everything is color-coded which does help. So the rows are blue and the Actual columns are green and then the modules are this gray. So everything is kind of nested within itself The is this is one column, but if we look at the padding on this, I bet it's Astronomical yep 157 And so that's really what's giving it that centered look without having two columns on the side that are empty Which sometimes can lead to weird things on mobile with it being like having like extra empty space If you equalize columns, you can do that in here. So and also gives us we got this as a second row See here. This is one row screen Maybe say what yeah one row and then here. We've got another row. That's green. It's wider This blue is actually the section So we've got section row and then module. So I messed it up first. Sorry and Here we've got a Module that's this number two We've got a module that says projects and then we got a module. That's the text and then another one that is his picture And then there's you know, no padding here and no spacing here That's probably set to zero or minus so that it can be below this this section that's coming next And then these are set to two columns with you know, no no padding No sections are no spacing in between. So there's a lot of little things like that you can do with it So let me look at this real quick. I'll show you here It's set to zero so that you have that full bleed and Then in the actual module itself This is a call-to-action module with a title a text and then a button and You can see you can change your links here and change the background I've got all these settings. I can change what the button looks like I Can add in a background to my button like a the color could be about an image I Can add a video I can do gradients. I've got icons I can use You see if my button has an icon on hover it does this little arrow I Want it to be a heart now. It's a heart See how it's like quick and easy that is Sometimes when you get a theme and it has these elements in it It actually will be really like limited so you won't have font awesome icons in there You're gonna have like eight icons these are the icons you can use these the icons We'd like to use or you can go get your own icons and upload them And then you have to make sure they're sized correctly in there the right color and all that stuff This one is red because it says button icon color and the default is red if I want it to be black Now it's black. I Mean I could put my hex codes in there these colors right here Also, these are the standard colors for your brand and you set that in Divi settings So you can put all the colors that you're using for your whole site all those brand colors And you can set them up so that every time you go into this part of the builder Your brand colors are there not all these random colors And you don't have to keep putting in hex codes over and over and over which is annoying Like I said a lot of the builders have stuff like this. It's just that when I started working with Divi It's just one of the ones that I just gravitated towards and I've gotten so used to it now It's pretty much the only one I use now as a business owner and as a website designer that does this for a living I Make people go on site ground You have to use Divi and I only give you one day Those are my three stipulations if you want to work with me now That's me. I've gotten really really specific and I've gotten really specific about the clients that I serve and this works for them It doesn't work for everyone I've turned down clients all the time and send them elsewhere because they don't want to use Divi They don't want to be on site ground. I don't know why they don't want to only do it in one day They want me to take six weeks and build this massive, you know, whatever site I know I can do these things but for a specific type of client and What really comes down to is saving time and money and energy, you know working on a site by using a builder is really helpful But to get to using it the most effective is when you really hone in on that brand and say this is who my people are This is who they're going. This is what they're going to attract to doesn't even matter what the design is But it's like I know that I could give this to a client and they could figure it out If I if they needed to think but didn't have the money anymore to pay me or whatever move to another country And they didn't you know want to commit still communicate whatever it doesn't matter Clients need to be able to have the ability to say I want my site back and you can say okay Here it is and know that they're going to be okay without that Overhanging thing of well, what's really really custom and who's your next developer and worrying about them in a sense because that can also weigh on us I mean, I'm one of those people that like he said in the keynote. I care probably too much. It's my fault But like I want them to be okay if I give this to them and another reason using a builder is not only it saves me time And me money, but then when they get it, they're like, oh, I feel empowered I can do this and they know that they don't have time to do it and that's why they pay me to do it That's what I do all day, but they also know that if they needed to I'm setting them up for success in the future So what do you guys think of builders? You think it's gonna save you time like I know you some of you are using them Right, but have you think you might explore some different ones now? Maybe Try some out. There's lots of demos. Does anybody have any questions? Yes Mm-hmm, right Right So so the question is to hand off the client. I'm doing this for the video to hand off the client their own site But maybe teaching them a little and still having them need you or do you teach them everything and hand in the keys? And that just come down to the client. So I Love wordpress with all my heart like that's why I'm here. I traveled here on my own dime I'm volunteering like I really love wordpress, but at the same time I've recognized the shift in the market and I'm gonna get to your questions. So don't feel like I'm rabbit-trailing, but Like it's coming. It's coming around But I've recognized a shift in the market as well. There's a lot of DIYers who want a DIY There's a lot of small business owners And if you're serving small business owners raise your hand because I want to see like you're serving small small business Like one man shops, you know, two to five people maybe even Those people are very specific and very special. They have two different Avenues as you've seen they want to say I can do a little but I could mess it up And they know that and they need you but then there's the other ones who are like I want to do this myself I like they're entrepreneurs, which and you guys are too some of you That's hard. You know that that's like you're like I want to do it. I'll pour the milk myself I'm for I can do it you know like it's that idea and it's you have to be able to empower the ones you can empower and Let the ones go that are just going to make all the bad decisions and then keep the ones that are going to have that Rely of that vision and that value that says I feel like what you do is way more important and way more valuable than the You know, like I get paid $150 an hour for me to do certain pieces of that That's costing me more money than to pay someone $50 an hour to do the same thing For me to take that time that I can now work on my business and make more money, right? I do that with my house cleaner. So, you know, that's one of the things that I try to do is that's why I do the In-a-days and I switch to that it's because I can say you know what at the end of this day You're gonna have a website You're gonna know how to run it. You're gonna see the every aspect of how it was built. Now. This is me Okay, it's not for everybody, but you're gonna see every aspect of how it was built You're gonna know that thing inside and out. Do you know how to put a domain in? Maybe not. Do you know how to set up? You know email with email servers and g-suite and all that it's pretty easy, right? But they probably aren't gonna pay attention while I'm doing that But they're gonna know how to put text in they're gonna know how to move pictures around They're gonna know how to add a page how to make a post because I'm gonna make them do all of that in that day And then when we're done at the end of the day and even before we start the process I say you know what? What is your lifestyle like? What are you gonna do with this site? Are you gonna go in here every month and test your contact form? Are you gonna go in here every month and check and make sure nothing is just weird because sometimes just code breaks? Are you gonna go in every month and test your own email marketing form and put your address in and then go into your email marketing form and Delete it so that you can do it again next month. Like are you gonna do those things? Are you gonna go in and update your content? Are you gonna go in and add your blog posts and format them correctly and put all the right keywords in? Are you gonna find a picture for every blog post you do? Is that part of the lifestyle you're gonna have and some clients are like This is my life. This is what I'm gonna do They're like, you know bloggers or their life coaches or whatever and their life is pretty much online So they're on their websites all the time anyway. That's part of their life. I teach them how to do it I send them off. I'm never gonna get them as a client because they want to do it themselves They want to pour the milk, right? Then there's the clients that say I'm not really tech savvy and I know that so what do you charge and When I say when they say they want me to help them And I'm like, how long are you gonna do this? Is this a three-year plan? Is this a five-year plan? Like we go into like business development because it does come down to that I don't want to ever put a someone in a site that's like WordPress when they're like I'm gonna manage it myself And I'm like, do you know how to do an update? Have you ever had a site break? Do you know how to do a little bit of coding in case you need to do you know how to go into FTP and they're like Then you need someone like me. Well, I can't afford that then we're not gonna use WordPress I'm not gonna do it because I don't want to set them up to fail And that's something I've learned over the last 12 years and that's why two years ago I switched my platform and my whole my whole business I just changed the entire business model because I thought I keep setting people up to fail and I keep setting myself up to Fail because then I feel bad like the client their business didn't do well or whatever because their website wasn't serving them And so some clients I put on Squarespace some clients they put on other platforms sometimes I put on Shopify some clients They put on WordPress It depends on the client and the lifestyle going forward. So it really comes down to Is the client going to be able to manage it on their own? Do they have that ability internally and some of them say I've got it and Then you just start rattling off every month. You got to do updates. Yes, it can break your site Do you know how to fix it? Do you want to like all that stuff that they don't think about? Somebody asked me they wanted to do a membership site And they wanted to use WordPress and they wanted to use WooCommerce and they wanted to use WooCommerce subscriptions It's like, okay Have you ever done customer support? Do you know what happens when someone loses their password? What if someone logs into your site and they can't see it? Do you know about how to clear cash on every single browser? Have you ever got an email where someone says I paid what my credit card didn't go through and now I can't get into my account Have you ever said had someone say to you I'm not going to pay with credit card I only pay with PayPal and can you give me an email with an invoice like There's like all these weird things that happen that you guys know because you're in Tech and you get all these questions and you've seen these weird things happen that the clients like No, I don't want to do that. I just want to run my life coaching business I want to have my membership and have people pay me lots of money and That's where it comes down to. What's the lifestyle? Okay, then you need a tech person on tap Do you have two three four hundred dollars a month? You know, whatever it's gonna cost to run this for you Do you have someone internally that can run this for you that I'm praying for you It's gonna be with you for like ever not someone's gonna leave in three months. I'm intern Like getting them to think about the business implications of having a website not to scare them But to set them up for success is My biggest thing so I never I never know what it's gonna be So I don't really have a process per se But I really look back at what their business has been where they're going and try and make it so that Everything I do is about their success because if they're not successful, then I'm not successful Does that make sense? Yes Mm-hmm Right require it Just require it Right Yeah, and that's why I do that. That's why I switched my business model. I was spending. Oh, they got time. Oh, man Okay, well you can talk to me after come talk to me after and I'll be in the happiness bar. So anyway That's good. We're good. Um, yeah, if you have other questions, please come see me And I will definitely answer them and if anybody wants to hang around and listen to the questions you can all join us Thank you so much guys. I really appreciate your attention. I hope it got you got something out of it