 So, anyhow, what'd you think of Ant-Man there, kid? Initial thought. Nothing to spoilery. You both saw the movie. I don't give a shit. Spoil away. Well, no, no, no. So, the story was absolutely fantastic, and I think it's really, really, really interesting. Fantastic, and one of the main things I liked about the story was the fact that they didn't have a villain. They had an antagonist in Ghost, and they had an antagonist in Sunny Birch. Yeah. But they didn't have an actual concrete bad person. I guess you would call Ghost a bad guy, but at the same time, you know. But she was a bad guy like how Loki has turned into a bad guy, like she's, or like how Bushmaster and Luke Cage season two was. You know, she's written to be so sympathetic that by the end of it, you're, you're, you're kind of rooting for her instead of rooting against her. Yeah. No, I totally agree. No. Yeah. I thought the story was great too. I agree. I think overall, they really were a good, a good slick on how they tied in from where Civil War ended and why Scott Lang has been absent even in the three war. Absolutely. Now you know why, because it was running, it was going on the same time as Thirty War was happening. Yeah. Yeah. You know, so. I like the fact that Michael Douglas didn't have to, you know, explain half the things that are going on. Like you were, you were just, you were dropped into the movie and Hank, you already know who Hank Pym wants you to. So you didn't have to get this boring exposition from, you know, I, I also enjoyed the fact that, you know, he's such a good actor that they were actually giving, they actually gave him something to work with, not only in terms of the Hank Pym character, but in terms of where the Hank Pym character can go from here. Because at the end of the movie, you know, he's wearing an old Ant-Man suit to go into the quantum realm. So, you know, if they wanted to revisit Hank Pym as an actual, you know, Avenger in the early 60s or their 70s or 80s or whatever, if they want to go back and do something like that, they can. So they planted seeds for it as well. Right. Same thing with Evangeline Lilly, you know, I, I thought the Wasp character was extremely well written. She played the part perfectly. I mean, again, I'm, you know, I'm going to have to say something real quick. I love the strong female character lead and she was another one. You know? Oh yeah. I mean, they could say all they want about Brie Larson and Captain Marvel being the first female lead Marvel film, but I could honestly say that I think Evangeline Lilly playing the Wasp, she, she was the lead character in this film, I think. Yeah. Obviously. If you had to do it one way or another, I think it's 50-50. Yeah. If not, if not a little more towards the law, you know. I thought, I thought the humor was there. Paul Rudd was at his absolute Paul Ruddiness. The Rudds do. The, the, the couple lines that he's, when they're talking in the Xcon office and they're saying like, well, you know what, well, we can do the quantum energy and then, you know, this is this. And then Paul Rudd just stops and says, do you guys put, just put the word quantum in front of everything just to make yourself sound smarter than, than, than you actually are? Or is this actually mean something? Are you guys just messing with me at this point? Louise was great. I mean, the, the, we got another exposition story out of him, especially with the truth serum. I mean, that whole entire scene was just magic. It was great. That's true. No, it's not. Yeah. I know. Walk like duck and talk like duck. It is true serum. Right. I think the, the greedy of films like Ant-Man's like they, they know what they are. Right. Like they know this is what they, this is what they're going to do. This is how they're going to show it. And we're not going to try to bend it. We're not going to try to go off. You know, they don't need to change what they do because they do it so well. You know, they're not forward trying to do Ragnarok. Ant-Man trying to be Ant-Man. And that's how I like about it. The humor is right on the whole damn film. And it's really, really, really funny. I think one of the, one of the best parts was is that the, my expectations were exceeded exponentially because I knew that this was going to be, you know, a, a happy go lucky movie after the Downer of Infinity War. But like, I didn't expect a blockbuster Tom Cruise mission impossible, you know, action thriller. You know, If you really look at the film, it was action packed almost the whole game thing. Well, you know what I mean though. Yeah. But I mean, it kept her attention. Yeah. It wasn't slow. And even the slow part, the humor made up for it. The parts that worked, I think it's slow down. Like when they run the university, talking to Bill Forster or Foster, you know, or the spots where they're talking to the FBI, you know, or they're at Scott's apartment. Like the spots where they're not fighting things or, you know, they're not shrinking down or whatever. You know, they were funny and they kept her attention. So I loved it. I mean, the pace of the movie was great. I was involved for an hour and 30 minutes or 40 minutes, all the long and long. What did you think of the special effects? I didn't think it was great. I think they... I'm a big picker on this shit, and I think it was great. The scenes in the quantum realm were... The colors that they used were absolutely brilliant. Right. And, you know, normally I'm not a fan of that de-aging technology that they use in films nowadays. They do it so well, though. The first couple... I mean, it was so piss poor in Civil War with Robert Downey Jr. It got better in the first Ant-Man with Michael Douglas, and it got even better in this one. Michelle Piper looked like she was, you know, ready to suit up as Catwoman. Yes, she did. She looked great. And it gives me hope that in Captain Marvel, when you've got Samuel L. Jackson and Clark Gregg, Agent Coulson, Phil... Yeah, but I think even with those two characters, if they go back even to the 80s, you know, you throw some hair on Clark Gregg and Coulson, you know, you give... But that's the beauty, though. You don't really need to do much to either of them. No, you don't. You don't need to do much to anything. Look, Sam Jackson, you know, I'm sure some makeups can help him look a little younger, but he needs that help. He looks pretty damn good as it is. I know. You know, I don't think they're not going to have to do a lot of that, hopefully. But like I said, it just gives me hope that, you know, it's going to... It's just going to make Captain Marvel just that much better. Yeah, I mean, I'm kind of bummed that we have to wait until my birthday until it comes out. Does it come out on your birthday? Oh, wow. Happy birthday to you, man. I'll take Brie Larson on my birthday any day of the week. Oh, who wouldn't really? I mean, who doesn't like to sell some Brie Larson? No, we'll accept it. The French judge gave you a two, though. He's a dick. I hate that guy. I know, right? He's damn French. So, I mean, you have his... But to put it in perspective, my favorite MCU film is The Winter Soldier. Right. And I liked this film just as much as I liked The Winter Soldier for very different reasons, but I liked it as much as I liked The Winter Soldier. I mean, I mean, it's also got a personal connection with me because I, you know... With the family dynamic between Paul Rudd and... Or between Scott Lang and Cassie Lang. Oh, I'm sorry. And the fact that I have a young daughter who I also call Peanut. Right. And you know, I just... We'll come back to that in a minute. I identify with that storyline. Very, very much so, so... I mean, I think up there with the Marvel film, so what is this number? 20? Is it 20th film? This is 21. No, the 18 was Black Panther and then 19 would have been... Yeah, this is their 20th film, though. Yeah. Their 20th hour. So, I mean... You said Civil was your... Winter Soldier is your favorite one. Yes. What is mine? I know we talked about this, didn't we? I don't think we have. I think we did. Did we do like a top five or some shit like that? That's entirely fine. I had to pick one done to my head. Man, Ragnarok was pretty damn good, man. It is good. That's my number three. You know, maybe Infinity War right after that. But I think this was right up there. I mean, it's right there. You know, 1A, 2A, 1A, 1B, 1C. That sounds like it should be part of two. God damn it. We'll do it 2A. 2A. All right. Save, stop ghost, 2A. Okay, check. No, I mean, when I left that film, I texted you and I was like, damn, this thing was good. And I did not say that when I left Black Panther. You know, obviously the movie before that I never, people are doing this type of thing. So I wasn't trying to tell you how I was feeling, but I didn't feel that way when I was going through the Galaxy and I didn't feel that way when I was on volume two or with the original Ant-Man. This film was definitely way better than the original Ant-Man. Oh yeah, light years. You know, and what you're saying about Winner Soldier is that to me, that felt less like a comic book film and more like a film. Yeah. Like, I know exactly, I mean, it sounds weird to say, but rounded in reality. Yeah. I mean, obviously there's CG effects going on, but at the same time, they're not in outer space. They're in a different universe. There's no quantum realm. There's no energy going. Yeah. They're not gods. There's no flying hammers. There's no crazy shit going on. It's just an action film. You know, action film. And that is the reason why I think Winner Soldier, he resonates so much. It's so rounded in reality. It is. I mean, like literally just talking about it now. Hold on. Hold on. What's the score? It is the score. The Tiger game now is Detroit 8, Tampa Bay 9, and the Tigers have two outs. Oh, no. Well, now it's 9 to 9 because they just had an error. So the game is tied up. Tigers have two outs. Oh, shit. And we've got men on second and third. Oh, shit. Yeah. No, true story. Sorry. Yeah. So I think we're both in agreement that that man was pretty eight-man in the last. Yeah. Thumbs up? No. Yes. It gets two thumbs up. Is it a two-brows-up? I think you want to say that, don't you? Yes. Yeah. We give it two-brows-up. Remember, I said that and you're like, don't ever say that again. Oh, yeah. No. Remember, I say, don't ever say that again. What I really mean is we need to make sure we include it in every single movie we do. I guess two-brows-up right here. It's two-brows-up. Actually, it's four-brows-up because we each give two-brows-up. So it's four-brows. Four-brows. You get four-brows. All right. Yes. We're in California. It's fucking idiots. Four-brows. And there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. No. Nothing wrong with that. I thought it would be fine being an idiot. So we thought we both enjoyed the movie. We both think it's at least in the top five of our movies. Let's talk about the post-credits scene. Right. So... Now, the second post-credits scene we can talk about just get out of the way. You were right. You were correct in both of your... My Reddit thing I read was white, asshole. I heard a lot of groans when I saw the second post-credits scene. I thought I heard two. And I was like, what do you expect? I kept them. I was like, step into the screen. All you see is a float or something. What do you want? If you ask me, the mid-credits scene was enough for two movies with a mid-credits scene because I've seen some shitty ones. The mid-credits scene really put the perspective of why Ant-Man was not in Infinity War because he was fucking caught up in the damn quantum realm. Yep. So, like I said, they're all trying to do new experiments. Scott goes into the quantum realm to get the quantum energy and Wally's in there, you know, Thanos snaps his fingers and everyone else turns to dust for Ash. And he's stuck in the quantum realm. Oh, yeah. Sets up Infinity War, you know, the next one. Or at least... the... At least how important the quantum realm was going to be in Infinity War. Yeah, of course. And, you know, if you really caught it carefully, you know, Michelle Pfeiffer's characters does say to Scott, do not get caught in a time vortex. Yeah. So, now he's stuck in the quantum realm. And I'm pretty sure this time vortex is going to suck him in somehow. And I don't know what's going to happen. Now, here's the thing. Does the time vortex that... Janet was talking about, does it, A, cause Ant-Man to jump through time five years from the point of which the Snapsher happened? Or does he stay in the quantum realm for five years, gaining that quantum energy quite like Janet did? So, does the time vortex, does he immediately enter out of the quantum realm through that time vortex right when the Snapsher happens, which dumps him out five years later, which is when Avengers 4 is supposed to pick up? Right. Or does Scott Lang stay in the quantum realm for five years, absorbing that quantum energy, then come out of the quantum realm, and then his quantum energy that he has within him is that what the Avengers use to use the quantum realm for that time vortex to go back in time or into different realities to get the gems to help the Avengers defeat Thanos in Infinity War. Alright, so I'm going to quickly sum up there to look through this said. I think that's someone that's going to happen. My initial thought is that he is going to jump out in the future in five years, but at the same time it's a different reality what we know, hence fourth wide, Hawkeye is now real. He's a different character. Gotcha. So I do think that he's going to jump out in a different reality and that's reasoning why Hawkeye wasn't present either, because it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what happened to Hawkeye. He's now in this other reality, so it doesn't really matter. At least as far as Avengers 4 has been through. So I think you saw Michelle Pfeiffer using our ghost, Quantum Energy when you're stuck in a quantum realm Quantum Energy changes you. Yeah. It's going to affect him somehow. So when he comes out he's not the same person that he goes when he went in to have the sword. Plus he's going to have Quantum Energy with him in his little capsule thing. Exactly. And we're going to use that somehow even though we're time travel. I guess it's the only good way to use it. I think I'm going to use it somehow to go back in time. Like you said, to stop Thanos from getting the Infinity Stones. Not when Thanos acquires them, but at different spots in time to grab them for themselves. Like in the Battle of New York, or showing up at the collector's place when the guardians are dropping off the reality stone in the first place. Kind of cutting everything off at the past. Yeah. And it doesn't really mean But even if they do that it doesn't mean that Thanos can't come and get them later. So they have to use the stones in a certain way to stop Thanos. So they have to get them all. Oh my gosh. So exciting. You think about the possibilities of how are they going to get the soul stone? Well, my initial knee-jerk reaction to that was that in order to possess, my guess is that Iron Man is going to kill Cap or Cap is going to kill Iron Man. One of them is going to kill each other in order to possess the soul stone. Well, that would mean that first of all, they have to someone has to, you know, they have to be able to wear the gauntlet. Right? You know, who's here to do nothing? What if they don't even have to have a gauntlet? They just have to have the stones and some, they don't have to wear it. Instead they have to combine some kind of, you know, I don't know. Now I'm thinking outside the box. But I guess you have to give up something you love. So I mean, does Cap love Tony? Of course he loves you. I feel like I have to be something a little more personal, like Tony Kill and Pepper or I mean, I have good relationships in this damn film. So it's like, how is that going to happen? Well, also, I'm not really sure what it is. How are they going to get, how are they going to get the Vormir and when they get the Vormir and Cap sees who is going to lead him to the soul stone? Yeah. Don't you think there's going to be a little animosity at that point? Yeah. Now we're getting the last laugh. God. Yeah. So many, so many theories. I know. Of course I'm probably going to be spoiled for the most part. I did keep a good watch when I was watching, you know, getting my hints and chips. But even if you know what the ending is going to be, isn't part of the fun, the journey that you take to see it? Yeah, but I didn't know what the ending of the movie was. I remember a whole bunch of shit on mine. I mean, some of it pieces were true. But it wasn't my kind of things spoilery. The only huge spoiler for me would have been knowing the ending. You know, Thanos stabbed his finger in... But we kind of knew that was going to happen. We knew that was going to happen. So, I mean... I mean, if somebody would have spoiled it and said, you know, the Red Skull is going to give the soul stone to Thanos, I'd be like, what? Did you notice that the gauntlet after Thanos stabbed his finger is demolished? Yeah. Well, when you use, you know, that much power, it's going to have an effect on you and it's going to have an effect on the circumstances of what you of what you use it. So, I mean... But does that mean that the gauntlet is probably trash now? They can't use it again? No, no, I'm sure you can probably still use it. I don't know. I think it's fucked up. I mean, you get into a car accident, you wreck your car. I mean, you might be able to still drive that car afterwards. I mean, you need to do a little bit of repairing on it. That's not the same car. This is true. But, if movies like The Fast and The Furious have taught me anything, is that you can wreck a car. The TV shows don't have to talk about anything. You can watch that car 30 feet in the air, smash it down nose first, and drive off with a Gandian move before Moss Hog catches you down the road. You're damn right.