 We have a new space-time protest slogan if you are a patron make sure to check out the full pre-show for more details Not sure I can't even remember how we got to it We were talking about the arrow of time, but how did we get to that? Oh, we were just talking about cycles Pat Cycles of political events and protests and the fact that Everything's already happened. Yeah, or Actually, that's not the right way to put it. Everything is yes that bingo right there Bingo, that's actually the guiding principle behind Pilot X the way I handled the timeline was like really everything like from a from a If there were such a thing as an outside observer of time everything would have happened So I just said okay given that You know, are there perceptions of things will be linear as they bounce back and forth in time And they won't have complete knowledge of everything and yeah Hmm. That's how I was able to keep a lot of stuff straight or Kind of straight. Yeah You know, there's a couple flaws. I Haven't read it's like an easter egg to find I Don't think I have pilot X. Am I a horrible person? I didn't buy pilot X. I was preoccupied I didn't give you a copy No, that is just not done, sir I have friends and family copies and because I'm related to Are you related to me wait I didn't want to presume and on our friendship. No, oh Right. Oh Shane's got it in print and audio. Very nice. Oh Wait audio. Yeah, you an audiobook version Kevin T. Collins is the narrator of the audio book Hmm. I don't know who that is but he's done a bunch of David Weber's books bunch other books. Nice Cool, and is it like on audible or yeah? Hmm It's one credit Yeah, but I'm not a subscriber. Oh well, then I don't remember. I don't know how much it is It's all a cart. I will a cart is a French word. I Will have a nice summer book to read. Oh Thanks, that guy He said it was pilot X was nicely looped. Oh Wait, is that a spoiler? You know how no, that's just Troubled us, you know Not looper W's caught. Thank you No cast listen to the first two hours twice. There's it's that good Just want to keep listening to the same two hours All right, let's do this shall we a time already. Yes. Yeah Here a we ago Daily tech news show is powered by you nobody else find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday May 9th 2017. I'm Tom married Patrick Bay Along with us in the post-french election uvra Yes, I can finally start breathing again. I haven't done that since mid 2016 it was time Yes, congratulations on a successful transfer of power Peaceful democratic transfer of power. Well, I guess it hasn't quite happened yet. He's president. Yeah. Yeah, let's not jinx it Wood crossing fingers Everything should go fine. Yeah, but that's how we're here to talk about We're gonna talk about the Amazon Echo show, which is not a podcast about the Amazon Echo Although maybe it is I wonder if somebody had named their their Amazon Echo podcast after that But no, it's a it's that Amazon Echo with the screen that we saw leaked Last week and so we're gonna talk about that a little bit. Let's start with a few tech things you should know about Amazon put the Amazon Echo show on Amazon today. It's got a screen. I can do video It's up for pre-order in the United States for $230 shipping June 28th And we're gonna talk more about that and smart speakers in general in our main discussion Hello there. I apologize. My Chrome browser crashed completely. Oh, no But thankfully Technology allows me to relaunch it and I did I'm very sorry. Oh bad timing Chrome So where were you I'm back I just said that Amazon put the Echo show up for pre-order in the US starting June 28th Or it's pre-order now shipping June 28, right? We're gonna talk about this a little bit more But I am somewhat puzzled or What we'll discuss Yes, exactly Microsoft issued in Emergency out-of-cycle fixed Tuesday through Windows update for a vulnerability in Windows defender that allowed for remote attacks the vulnerability was discovered last weekend by project zeros Tavis Ormandy and Natalie Silvanovic Yeah, out of cycle patch. That's serious stuff New snapchat features are arriving for iOS and Android including still images without a time limit Remember, they usually time out after 10 seconds videos that loop over and over and over again While you've got them open a magic eraser that can fill in the background like you can erase pre-people Have your picture. It'll just fill in the background and the ability to draw with emojis Actually, I know the eraser works on objects. I don't know if it actually works on people Yep, snapchat continues to be snapchat And finally Samsung has opened US pre-orders for the unlocked versions of the Galaxy S8 and S8 plus phones For shipping May 31st Now here are some more top stories Qualcomm announced its latest mid-range mobile CPUs Snapdragon 660 and 630 660 is 20% faster on the CPU side 30% faster on the graphic processor side Will apparently get two more hours of battery life versus the old 653 thanks to improved power management Includes an integrated x12 modem a spectra image processing chip allowing for dual cameras mid-tier phones with dual cameras 600 megabit per second LTE 2x2 MIMO Wi-Fi Snapdragon 630 has most of the integrated features that the 660 has but a slightly slower CPU and GPU only supports up to 1920 by 1080 screen resolution both chips support usb-c and bluetooth 5 so You may not be knocked out by all these specs if you're a galaxy s8 user or an iPhone user Or any of the top-tier flagship phones, but all of these kinds of specs 4k screens faster LTE Will be able to show up in the mid-tier phones now. Thanks to these chips, which honestly, I mean yes They're not as sexy as the 800 series Snapdragon processors, but these are pretty stellar levels of performance and Capability, you know a few years ago I mean this is we were talking about cycles earlier in the pre-show and this has happened in Desktop and laptop CPUs mostly mostly desktop in the 90s and 2000s early 2000s and Really what in the end most? CPUs can do everything you need and it seems like it's happening in mobile as well and those CPUs. I have a hard time Really thinking what a high-end CPU can do that would really objectively justify the You know the purchase of a higher-end device You can you know it starts to become the other explain the form factor and the screen Resolution and things like that. Yeah so in desktop today, I think really unless you're gaming there is no Giant reason to get that kind of CP. I understand there are a couple of applications, but yeah, those mid-range CPUs there Where it's at I think even more than the high-end. Yeah, don't have to spend a lot Mm-hmm China's Alipay has signed to deal with US credit card processing service first data Making Alipay a payment option at about four million US businesses in Europe. Alipay is working with in In in Jenny co. Yes in Jenny co that serves businesses like car for and is still older French accent there. I was nice. Thank you. Yes. Thank you The idea is to have Alipay available for tourists for Chinese tourists traveling abroad China led the world in outbound tourism for the fifth year in a row in 2016 according to the World Tourism Organization with a hundred and thirty five million travelers I Think this is a significant story because what may happen whether it's by design or not is that Alipay Which is expanding worldwide? has designs on a worldwide audience, but really can't get itself into Phones and things in in other markets like the US where you know Apple pay and Android pay are already having a hard enough time getting people to use this and Part of the issue is can you get merchants to accept the payment? Well Alipay can because in China Everyone uses Alipay or WeChat pay or both and if they can start making overseas operators Want to include them because of all of those Chinese tourist dollars now granted This isn't going to spread into the corners of countries where the tourists don't go But it starts to set the template and maybe it's a jump But maybe Domestic people start to use these services because hey, they they take them everywhere Yeah, I mean it's definitely a jump, but the you're right the people who might be a little bit less willing to work with Android and and Apple might think well either we work with Alipay or we're just not gonna see that money anyway It's not like the tourists have they might have credit cards But if that's the default payment method for them It's gonna be a lot easier for them to to spend dollars or whatever currency they use Yeah, whatever. I was thinking girls in Paris is very much a tourist city and I think this would make a lot of Businesses here think heck. Yeah, I don't care about Apple pay or Android pay or anything like that But this one I see Chinese tourists every day all the time So right I'd be interested because Patrick Beja is gonna pay with his credit card or cash if they don't take Apple pay But that Chinese tourist is not going to buy something put potentially right? Yeah, so it's worth it to make that jump That's a great point Opera announced it will invest 100 million dollars over the next two years to encourage internet adoption in African countries Opera will look to local partners to integrate value added services Mobile payment data bundling into its browser product the sounds from what they're talking about Similar to what Facebook does with free basics nine of the top 20 opera mini user countries are from Africa Opera will open offices in Lagos, Nigeria and Nairobi, Kenya in addition to the two offices they have in South Africa This is really interesting to me because I've sort of been wondering what opera's been up to in the past 18 months, I guess I don't think they're quite in the fight. Well, they've I'm sorry opera fans I know you're out there, but I don't think they they've ever quite really been in the fight In for the browser market for the amount of serious innovation. They've done. Yeah, right on mobile They do quite well. Exactly. And I think, you know, this shows that they have quite successfully Reconsidered the area where they wanted to have an influence and they're pushing it In a way that is might not be very visible to us here, but might have an impact in other places Yeah, and Africa is very friendly to these sorts of services unlike areas of of the world like India Just culturally because they'd rather have some internet access than none at all and internet access is spotty enough in places Even where it's provided that anybody who's helping to bring a little more internet access Is is welcome And I don't think there's so much of a culture of seeing the internet as I don't know in India Everyone knows that if I have enough money to buy a top of the line smartphone or a desktop or laptop computer I can get the full internet and so free basics was seen by facebook as a way to limit it for the poor people In Africa, there doesn't seem to be that reaction. It seems to be more of hey, we've all got these these You know more limited phones and we'd rather have something on the phone than not now that may be wrong I mean it's a total outsider Perception here, but I don't think there's going to be a backlash against opera when they talk about data bundling Because it's providing a competition to free basics or it's like well here You can get free access to things like wikipedia and facebook and the bbc And opera may say ah, but you're so familiar with opera mini And we're going to build it right in with free access to these other services That you want and and in the end you've got a little bit of competition over free internet access Which as we all know is always a good thing On april 5 16 year old carter wilkerson tweeted Wendy's asking how many retweets you would need to get a year's supply of chicken nuggets Wendy's replied 18 million Tuesday carter's plea for nuggets passed three million four hundred and thirty thousand two hundred and forty nine retweets Breaking ellen de generis's record for the most retweets ever set by her 2014 oscar self selfie Wendy's donated a hundred thousand dollars to the dav thomas foundation for adoption in wilkerson's name in recognition of the record And he also got the nuggets by the way. Well No, he didn't get the nuggets did he? He hasn't hit the 18 million yet Uh, well, I what I read was that uh, wendy said you get the nuggets and we also do the um Well, this is an important part of the story. So, okay, okay Like I know they gave the hundred thousand for the celebration of the of the uh Well the bbc article uh mentions the bbc article by sementha smith Which by the way is a pretty generic name. So could be kind of I don't know how much how trustworthy it is and she uses Low quality screenshots of the tweets instead of actually embedding the tweets. So I'm not a hundred percent sure this is genuine But she does have a picture of the tweet by wendy's saying Carter is now the most retweeted tweet of all time That's good for the nuggets and a hundred thousand dollars to dtfa So I have to say it'd be kind of crappy of wendy's not to give them the nuggets Yeah, exactly We're still waiting for the 18 million like nope 18 million. That's what we said. That's what you have to get. Sorry, buddy But you know, I think it's really interesting because yes, the internet is used for many Serious and important things and also sometimes there's something like that which happens which is completely unpredictable You know something why something becomes popular why something takes off you can never know like Seriously like gangam style and other things you can kind of see it But a plea for nuggets actually, no, sorry. I can totally see it. It it makes complete internet But if someone did this on purpose if I said especially now But even before this if someone said i'm going to try to get nuggets and and tweet it at wendy's and a different person Is is operating that social media account that day. They just respond with a bland like you know Oh, we're really glad you like the nuggets. There's you know a key keep up the interest, right? You know something safe But they happen to hit a smart alec that day who just said you know what? I'm just going to say a ridiculous number and and then there's all of those other Impredictable parts of people seeing his tweet picking it up retweeting thinking it's funny Uh, you just you just never can predict when this stuff is actually going to go right You can't go out and do this on purpose Mm-hmm at least I don't think so Uh ahead of its gpu technology conference nvidia announced a video analytics platform called nvidia metropolis Which uses artificial intelligence to analyze video streams in real time with applications for public safety traffic management General resource optimization deep learning inferencing can be done on the devices. That's the important part. We're talking edge AI processing on the devices themselves and then Using on-site tesla gpu's from nvidia Then it can offload that processing to the cloud for further processing and training And maybe pass out and what it learned to other devices in the network nvidia announced more than 50 partners are making products and applications For ai city uses rich straffolino who helps with daily tech headlines occasionally is a co-host on this show here Pointed out to me. He did a story recently for gestalt it dot com About the fact that nvidia's data center business is up 205 percent as of q4 It's 14 percent of their revenue and they are already ahead of any kind of commoditization of gpu's In getting into this side of the business and the other trend here is that All the local data processing is the new hotness Moving what they call compute to the edge of the network having the devices do the processing is Is where it's at After we had so many years of move everything into the cloud move everything to the cloud They're starting to realize the limits of the latency that the cloud has Yeah, this is a really interesting story. I mean it's interesting on two fronts. I think there is the apparently successful move from nvidia from a business standpoint to sort of diversify from the pure gpu business for graphics computing graphics power Which seems to be You know bearing fruit or at least has many opportunities that could develop into something enormous And and they've been taking advantage of the trends in a way that few hardware Companies managed to do so that's definitely to their credit And then there's the scary ai part of it which is Of course, you know scary if you want it to be scary and also full of opportunities if that's what you want to look at but It's a little bit slim on details about exactly how and What it will be doing But it seems like it's going to be a gathering information and data and video from a lot of different sources mixing it up in a huge ai bowl and Use it for well managing the city actually that's that's one of the key points Is it doesn't have to mix it up in an ai bowl anymore? It could put the ai at the the traffic light at the the intersection camera at the building sensor And have that do learning right there on that device and then send what it learns back to the data center Where it can do all the mixing bowl stuff that you're talking about so you get the best of both worlds there One example, uh, there's an arse technical article today, which is unrelated to the nvidia announcement But a Clemson researcher ali rasea feyazi has a proof of concept of a fully automated four-way intersection That is a hundred times more efficient than our current human driven intersection Now for this to work, you'd have to have fully autonomous cars only at the intersection But they could participate in a network presumably a network like we're talking about with nvidia's Metropolis system which would tell the cars to adjust their speed as they come to an intersection So that no cars ever have to stop and you don't even need a traffic light anymore They just make sure that the cars don't approach the intersection until cars coming from the other way have passed on through It is incredibly, uh, uh, impressive the way it manages that and certainly one of the applications of nvidia metropolis Could could be that But it seems to me like again the details are are very slim, but it seems to me like this platform could be done for basically anything it's it's Connected city, you know smart cities and then you can use it For anything you want and there are of course concerns. I think we might get emails about Privacy issues and and you know, because it is surveillance. It's public surveillance Yeah, and it might get into prediction territory. Maybe even of you know crime or accidents or god knows what And yes, it's done, you know, it's edge computing. It's done on the device But it's still connected all together. I mean, I don't want to dismiss the idea of the you know killer ai big brother, you know nefariously Managing to do things in the city. It's still a big ai network so I mean, it's it's Definitely something that could turn into a big Opportunity for cities in the reasonable future I I'm looking forward to to seeing if there are cities that do pilot programs with this Uh, and how well they do so I'm going to keep an eye out for that I also would like to commend patrick on getting through that without using the term skynet I tried really hard But I think you know just to finish up on this the the really interesting thing is that nvidia is Getting in self into the position to be the platform for this and then Any company can they're not selling the system themselves? They're just putting the infrastructure together behind it and any company can go into any city in the world or some kind of private property trial or who knows, you know campuses or company grounds or things like that And they can start implementing these kinds of at the moment kind of research area Applications, but nvidia is I'm sure there are competitions, but nvidia really wasn't in that field What five years ago and now they're a big player apparently so folks If you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe To daily tech headlines.com. That's a look at our top stories Now we mentioned amazon echo show up for pre-order in the u.s Features amazon voice services has a seven inch screen dolby speakers can play video flash briefings You can put youtube videos up on there show your security cameras your photos and make video calls because amazon also today launching alexa calling A service that allows you to do free voice calling and messaging through all Echo devices and apps and of course with the new amazon echo show you can do not just voice and messaging but also video calls Again black and white versions for 230 dollars shipping in the u.s on june 28th And with all of this information out there patrick had one reaction. What was it patrick? You know, i'll be honest i i usually not but now i'm in a in a vulnerable state um I've been listening to everyone talking about the amazon echo craze and how incredible it is and how technologically advanced and wonderful it makes your life I have no idea what this thing is is for i don't understand it. It's like It it i you know, maybe it's my experience with syrie, which let's be honest is not very useful And I put this in in a in a box in my home and do what it's I don't get it I don't understand why Everyone is using it why everyone is enjoying it and one why every single company In the world is trying to get into that space I feel like i'm trying to explain twitter to jim ladder back at ces in 2007 Oh my god, that's it It's difficult it is difficult to explain because Everybody uses it differently and and this was of great interest everybody was talking about it in our our analyst level slack this morning And some people poo pooing it like you like I don't understand these things other people saying well I don't think I need a screen because this is what I use my echo for And all I can say is I don't use voice assistants either. I don't use the google assistant I don't use syrie Because on my phone it doesn't seem that useful and I don't want to be speaking out in public But when I'm home In my house and I need to add something to a shopping list And I've got a dot in the bathroom and I've got an echo in the kitchen It's great to just be able to say hey put this on the shopping list and know it's there When I'm ready to listen to the bbc news world service and in the bathroom in the morning while I'm brushing my teeth I can just say play the news. I I can't tell you how many times I've been in the bathroom getting ready and said amma said what time is it? Because I just don't want to have to pick up my phone and look at it and we didn't have a clock up in there Like you everybody uses it for different things But the fact that it can do so many different things is what makes it useful people use it to turn on their lights I know there was one guy at our slack who's like Yeah, I pretty much just bought the dot because it was cheap When they had the sale and I I love it because I can just say turn on turn off the lights And I don't have to look for the switch anymore so I understand parts of it. I mean my my studio in paris I have Connected light bulbs and I use siri to Control them sometimes and I do ask siri for the time sometimes as well I guess I kind of understand that it's easier to do When you're not in a public place because you don't feel as silly But to me it's still it still feels awkward to say the the key phrase and then ask for the thing and wait for it to compute and then answer You know, there is some friction in there some user interaction friction. Yeah, but I I've gotten so used to it I don't even think about that friction anymore If there's a criticism I have it's that they don't have the ability to natural language everything So if I don't want to use the actual built-in amazon grocery shopping list, which I don't anymore I have to say hey tell our groceries to add chocolate chips to the shopping list It still works fine, but it's a little bit of friction in my head there But most of the stuff it's like what's the weather today? Boom. It tells you like it just It's it's it's getting more and more conversational all the time Is it faster than Siri? Oh, yeah, because oh it is quite a bit in my experience Okay, that that is interesting because you know, it's those in order for it to be Useful it has to be faster for you to ask then To pick up the phone and look at and it doesn't pretend to know the answer by showing you website results Well, maybe the the the echo show will do that Well and to get into the amazon echo show. Yeah, it's got a screen where it can show you things Like the weather like the traffic map like Your grandma, I mean this is this is a thing where you can now make free voice and video calls To anyone who has the app So even if there's someone you want to call like maybe you have a relative That you want to keep in touch with All you have to do is get them to install the app and then you can call them from the show Or buy them a show I guess for 230 bucks, but you can do that from your phone and I understand how Silly and old timer like oh, there's a different. Okay, but let's say I guess. Yeah, my question is what's the difference They have drop in right which is something that most people are not going to want to use But if you if you both approve it You can have a call pick up on its own without the person having to do anything It's got a kind of a frosted look for the first few seconds in case somebody wants to reject it But it takes away the friction. So with my phone, let's say I want to call my uncle Uh, I have to pull out my phone open the app find my uncle's name Dial him, uh, or maybe it's on my shortlist. Maybe that's not much, but I have to pull out my phone I've got the amazon echo show in my kitchen. I just say Call uncle bill and then boom it calls uncle bill and not only that Uncle bill doesn't have to do anything on his end because we're drop-in friends. So it just shows up and he's like, oh, hey, tom What's going on? Okay I'm I don't know why I still it's the future. It's star trek. You can say on screen No, and you know, I was being a little bit disingenuous when I was saying I don't understand why every company is trying to get into this because I I understand that In the future in the you know far off year of 2020 We will have enough Friction that will have gone away to make it really Really useful and you know, I think you should try one of these outs because I think there's less friction than you're imagining Yeah It is and it is definitely the kind of whether it's a google home or an amazon echo or a harman kardon kortana Uh, you these are the kinds of things you really have to try them out and try out things To understand. Oh, okay. That's what it can do And you have to get in the habit for them if there's anything that has a problem It's it's what you're expressing which is I'm not sure why I need one We got one for my my wife's father Uh, and all we had to do is kind of show him how to use it and he uses it all the time to play music And get the weather and the news Uh, but he didn't understand at first why we got it for him So you kind of have to get over that, huh? Well, the problem is I I might be wrong, but I don't think it's uh available in France at least I don't think europe and so that's why it's kind of foreign to me, but Usually I will also say that usually when you have a product that is Different enough and successful That it it's difficult to understand why it's so successful It might mean that there's a paradigm shift that's big enough that You don't really understand it at first, but then it becomes Uh, kind of indispensable. So or it's like a tablet and it's a market that's just going to fizzle out One of the of course In fact, the interesting e-marketer on monday predicted that amazon will own 70.6 percent Of the voice enabled speaker market in the united states this year google home at 23.8 percent And then everybody else who makes these at 5.6 percent and 35.6 million americans will use a standalone voice activated speaker Not not a phone but a speaker at least once per month in the coming year So it's it very much reminds me of the tablet market right now where one company is dominating most of it But it's got a rising usage that usage is among a lot of younger people The usage is heaviest among 25 to 34 year olds And it'd be interesting to see if it keeps going And if amazon keeps that advantage I mean, I think at this point at least in the us It seems difficult to imagine that amazon will lose their lead because they've been so early on this end Because it seems now at least the the uses that you can get out of the echo are Absolutely adapted to the kind of business that amazon and services that amazon provides Not to the same extent for the other players in the market Yes and no, uh, google really ties you into google services amazon definitely wants to encourage you to do shopping on the device Which I never do that's a big part of it. But okay, but I never do Uh, and there's plenty of things that I use that aren't amazon related. So yes and no to that Hey folks, if you want to participate in our subreddit that helps us figure out what to talk about on the show Submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com a couple messages real quick Russell wrote in and said on yesterday's show you and veronica were discussing the technology that would allow Conductive surfaces to be used as touchscreens. I think this has some tremendous applications for architecture and design Imagine if you did not need to install switch boxes and controls into your walls You could also likely have future flexibility in how you control and systems could be configured as technology Or even the way you wanted your home office arranged changed Uh, thanks as always for the informative content and compelling discussion That's can you imagine if you've just built a house and painted it with conductive paint? And they're like, yeah, you just come in and customize where you want the switches to be and then everyone says I just use a smart speaker for that so I would be the the old person in the retirement home going I'll keep using my touch surface. I'm touching the wall Murray and coughs harbour Australia said the touch sensitive wall demo made me think about cool security applications Like having to know where to touch a wall to turn off an alarm Touching the right combination of bricks in the right order to open the door and not needing keys Or if you live somewhere safe swipe to unlock my front door Lots of cool things you could use structural fixtures for that aren't immediately obviously interactive You know Usually a good sign that a piece of technology is actually interesting is that at first I go That's never going to be that's kind of dumb And then you know as people more clever than me think about it. I go Oh Yeah, actually it's not that dumb. So the pattern of brick's thing Is pretty awesome, right? Yeah Because you know door locks are hackable But a pattern on a wall would be harder to hack It's not impossible, but it'd be harder to hack than some other methods Of securing your door. I think that's pretty cool. Thank you for the emails keeping coming feedback at daily tech news show dot com And thank you for the hosting patrick beija keep it coming Uh, well, I will do my best and if you want more hosting by patrick beija Might I encourage you to go listen to the philly's club? 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I like that one Good one chain Amazon show me what you got I don't understand that one That's uh rick and morty Oh, you know, I watched an episode of rick and morty and I don't think that shows for me Oh no I'm gonna have to put you I'm gonna have to put you on a debate with uh bryan brushwood or jester rumber young about that I mean, you don't even uh rick and morty Uh, you don't like rick and morty. Well, so That's basically the reaction I get. I don't know if I like it But the first episode was kind of I didn't get it And the entire internet is in love with rick and morty, but like The the puking and the grossness really didn't work for me so It's it's I will say it's very inter it's very internet slash frat humor isk Right. I think the frat part might be But it's also I think what makes it so funny. Is it like it's kind of like south park It's kind of like a meme blender like it just starts pulling things and it's like, oh, I recognize that I see what the rick Stuff like that. So it's uh, you know, it's not I To be honest, I didn't like the first several episodes Of rick and morty because I thought it's not that I just thought a lot of them were stupid, but You know, there was the one with the the dream alien that makes you gives you the false dreams And then they would have all these different characters appear And it was because it was brilliant because that one, I mean if you actually take the concept Away from the shoe. It's actually it's actually pretty cool, right? What if you had a creature that was able to falsely implant memories About things that you thought that never happened, but you thought that happened There by manipulating is very scary in a way But they did in a very comical aspect because they had all these very cartoonish characters That were so absurd and so out that to be ridiculous But it was like, you know, if you take that all away, it's it's kind of kind of creepy. Oh, this person's your dad even though You know, it's totally false They just put it in your mind And the chat room is is saying basically the same thing it takes a number of episodes and bio cow is saying that He didn't like it at first either, but then, you know, ian is saying that he doesn't find it funny. I see you was saying um, no, sorry, uh H 8 2 or 8 8 hate or 8 hate or 8. Oh hate or 8. Okay. Um And and He says you must watch a minimum of three It's a combo of dr. Who and south bark and here. I think I might get myself even more hated But you don't like south bark I think south bark is okay. It's not like the best thing ever But I didn't get into Hey, you know, you know, I'll say this is south park is definitely Oh, hey, too. It tuned to people with a very Juveniles but sophisticated sense. Like you you're a smart sophisticated person, but you love fart jokes or you love It's there's just a there's a lot of sophisticated Hard joke appreciator It's a weird it's a weird blend of crude boorish behavior with like, oh, that's actually pretty, you know, it's a very clever Uh plot twists in it and it's you know, it's it's not for everyone. I could totally get I mean, there's a there's a like I there's a bunch of shows I don't get into I don't get into the office either one the british or the american I think they're dull Right. I get I understand what the humor's supposed to do Right, uh, it doesn't work for you. Yeah, it's Seinfeld. My wife loves Seinfeld Irritates the hell out of me each and every episode. I just want to punch each person in the face Right, especially Seinfeld What was the other one set always said the other cult one is always sending Philadelphia Can't stand that show either. It just but every one of that show bugs the hell out of me makes my skin crawl It's you know, it it it definitely does Um Bend to a certain disposition. I don't like some of the Kind of the daily show esk shows like I don't really like Samantha B all that much um Because it just to me just it's just like it's It's a regurgitation of what everyone was doing on on the daily show. The only one I find Remotely interesting is John Oliver because he really it's it's just John Oliver doing the same stick away Um that he's always done Um Colbert mixed bag basically turned tonight show into what was the Colbert show? I don't know Colbert report. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's weird like certain things that worked for me before don't worked for me later I don't know. I probably just grow out of it Like the simpsons. I don't watch the simpsons anymore. I used to follow it. I followed it for like 25 years I think it's if you kind of get bored of it Yeah, it's like I watched it religiously for 15 years and I stopped it's like, okay, I get it and I can see the jokes repeating Um Yeah, you know, what do you like? Which do I like? Well rick and morty apparently I like rick and morty. I like dr. Who although I don't still kind of still kind of cold on capaldi as a doctor I was getting into emerald city but that's on that's uh mid sea or between season break um I like the flash but now it's the show is becoming kind of a bummer Because he's so the whole show's getting very modeling. It's like I get it bad things happen. Quit crying Uh, he just want to slam was like get a snap out of it like um What's the other ones? I don't know. It's it's it's kind of hard to say I I Just started american gods and the first episode was all right I liked it. I liked it, but Part of the problem is I can't really watch it except by myself because it's really gory In parts and I don't want my kid to see even if it is digitally, you know implanted fake blood and stuff like that um Uh, what's the other one? Oh, what's that doctor? Uh, I don't watch too many. I mean I watch all the cw superior shows even though they all kind of kind of me at this point the writing's just so so, uh I don't know. There's so many shows that people tell me to watch. I haven't been able to get around to watching I do watch a lot of um YouTube shows because they're short And I that means I can turn my attention back to my daughter very quickly Yeah, I'm kind of tired of you have to watch That used to be the thing when there was like oh my god HBO has the sopranos you have to watch it Right, but these days there are so many shows that fit that bill That nobody could watch all the things that you have to watch if they wanted to there's just not enough time Even if it was their job It's the same thing in video games. Yeah, you can't play all the great video games that are coming out these days So the good hard make way for the ones you think are great. Not just I try never to tell someone you have to watch or you have to play Because I almost feel like that's rude. I know but I do tell people they have to play the the last of us Is that the one? Oh, yes That one I have one I will tell people if you love video games, you got to play it I told my friend and she's like, well Yeah, my brother told me that too, but I I gotta work and I got too many other things to play Did you play it? No You have to play it. It's really it's really good. I like if you ever play if you don't if this the last video game you play It's the last of us to play I mean It's it has issues gameplay wise. It's not as solid as uncharted, but But oh everything else is better and uncharted was really good already the narrative The plotting that's the whole Yeah, well the voice acting but the way it I will say this is one of the few games where The gameplay ties in very seamlessly with the overall plot Right, there's parts of uncharted seem kind of just like we got to throw this in there Yeah, just just to have a sequence like when you're I was in uncharted 2 where you have to swim between the boats Like you're in a ship you're like a shipwreck and there's a lot of flots. I'm you gotta swim around without getting shot It seemed kind of arbitrary Um, but like everything you do in that game feels like it moves actually moves the plot along. It isn't there as filler except the Carrying the ladders around that Is not trying to remember wait. What was that? There's a lot of that It's like it's small puzzle It happens all the time you have to move Ladders around and carry them and put them in like it's not you know It kind of replaces the mechanic the puzzle mechanic in uncharted And that's not the best Overall, I still like the game was good. Oh, yeah, it was it was great. Uh, have you tried pray? Are you on pray? No, I haven't but I'm hearing really good things. Yeah, it's uh, you have to play it You don't have to play you know, honestly, you did you did you like bioshock like either one two or three I I liked one. I didn't play two You didn't play it or you didn't like it. I didn't play two. I played a little bit of infinite, but man The third one's a sort of uh, I thought was incredibly overrated um But it's it just feels like um, if you mix Uh pray is pray with an e bio cow not an x which both could be interesting No, it's if you like if you like bioshock, it's a little of bioshock mixed in with uh alien isolation Hmm. Oh, that that's a A pretty good recipe. I one of my uh Go-to publications, uh gave it a nine out of 10 and they never Do that they usually one of the publications that doesn't give everything a nine out of them Yeah, it's like one of the ones that give like when they give you a seven. It's pretty good. Mm-hmm. It's not the uh What's the japanese one that everyone follows that big is old? Um, oh famitsu. Yes No, famitsu give that gives everyone like eight and nines. Oh does it? I also thought they were like super hard Oh, no, famitsu. No, no That like the entire japanese gaming press is if bad, but yeah So the way yeah, if if they give a game like Three tens and a nine then it's probably really good, but anything else is kind of if if again, it's it's a little bit like the kind of uh, uh, like grading convention in the u.s. But a little bit even a little bit higher, so It's not that they're bought it's that the relationship between the japanese press and the japanese Game publishers publishers is really close knit and the publishers kind of control Everything like if you use a screenshot that they don't want you to use they're gonna let you know and There is no journalistic independence Yeah I mean to be honest a lot of I wouldn't say western but at least because I don't know all the western game But a lot of american ones are Not that bad. They can be bad. I mean I've done enough junkets to Get clued in on that pretty quick I mean some of them. Yes, but they're I mean you have Publications that game like game informer that gives you the scoops and stuff like that Which provided a specific kind of service to the gaming audience And then you have you know, I think the the you have a lot of of very Maybe independent is not the right word, but Of course it just like in any entertainment Industry they're going to be tied to the people that provide them their their material material But I think they're still able to say what they think um, maybe cushion it a little cushion it a little bit sometimes but I don't think the the game journalism in the u.s. Is that bad it's And there's so many things that in entertainment not just games Where copyright law Even though even though as a journalist you're supposed to have a fair use rate Like just the pressure of having to defend it Will cause a lot of people to just give in and not do things A little bit. I mean you can always it's not like you're testing cars and you have to shell out, you know 30 000 bucks when you want to know but using a screenshot whether you buy the game or not You know, if a company threatens you you can say well, no, I have a fair use right to do this But do you really want to defend that in court? I don't think it I don't think a company would risk it I think nowadays No, I mean the dev company they wouldn't risk it because there would be a huge backlash against them You were saying that was an example in japan though Oh in japan. Yes in japan. And that's what I was talking about. I thought you were talking about the the u.s Right, and I don't know what the fair use rights are in japan. They may not have them I don't know But yeah in japan, they probably wouldn't risk it in in the western world. I don't think that would be an issue Yeah, no, I think you're right about that. There is a little bit of pressure From the pr which you know a side of things which I know Although thankfully in our Uh, you know in my experience, we didn't really need to apply any kind of pressure But there is some from some companies that tells you hey, so why did you give that? Score to that game I think I really think it deserves a little bit more and then the guy will say yeah But you know, I thought this and that and it sometimes becomes a little bit uncomfortable But I don't think it goes a lot farther. Well, what what happens? I know this happened with product reviews at sea net Is every time you say a negative thing about a product The the pr cup people who are really good about it will call you on the carpet and demand that you explain Why you said this negative thing? And it causes reviewers to because they're human to naturally soften their criticisms And make sure that they really have a justification for a criticism before they say it and that leads to them withholding certain criticisms Because they're like well, I could be wrong if i'm gonna have to defend it to this guy on the phone You know and and that kind of pressure really does have an effect. Yeah, which might Not be entirely negative. You know, it might get people to think if they really think that's a well sure There's a positive side to it, but I think it's it's used to inhibit. Yeah. No, I I agree Yeah, one thing that was happening before my time in pr, especially in the gaming industry was Crazy things, which I may be No, I mean there was you know in the late 90s or the 2000s, there was a lot of money in gaming like a lot and people were spending a lot Including on pr like you had crazy Press stores and oh, yeah, I was I was Subjected to one It was it was pretty ritzy and I didn't get I didn't really have to do all that much work It's okay that feed me close me whatever It was ridiculous and I heard a really Some I would say she actually it was pretty shameful some pretty shameful practices by some lesser known Review companies because at the time everyone was just desperate for exposure didn't matter Who the dollars fell on so to speak? Yeah, there's a little bit of oh, okay Yeah, I I think we're good Yes, what was the title? Oh Gosh, yeah, I never said that did I I did a picking it makes complete internet sense Okay, you guys seem to like that. It was the top vote getter. So Nuggets or it didn't happen Nuggets or it didn't happen. It's my sentimental favorite now I can think of this that stupid smell of nuggets. Oh nugget man Nuggets All right. Thanks everybody for watching to listen. We'll be back tomorrow. Scott Johnson. Goodbye