 Felly mae'n sgwp hwn i gael gwybod yn ei gael y platform Social Media i'n gwybod gweithio chi'n gweithio'r gwestol ac roeddwn i'n gwneud i'n cymryd y cwmhwydd â'n cymryd ac'n cymryd geilwyd yn fwybodaeth mae'n gwybod nhw'n cymryd ar y cwmhwydd mewn cwestiwn nyfodol. Mae'r cwmhwydd yn eu gwneud ei gwybod o'r pwyd, mae'n gwybod yn deall, ac mae'n gweinio'n gwybod. I used to get a thrill. I used to get a thrill and I still do even more now of like being hate but hating people. I never had no mercy ever. All my training partners would tell you like as much as I loved them I'm quite an evil bastard like I love fucking inflicting pain. At the moment I'm just like boxing, it's just the shambles like the best fighters aren't fighting the best fighters. Right now I think the fight to make every way to Tyson Fury and Joshua I don't know enough that's why I say I'll never comment on stuff I don't know enough about but why can't that fight be made? I just started having like made it with this group of lads but at that point the club was just going insane. I felt like everyone was having made it when I think back to it and some lad come by and stabbed me and I didn't feel it. I had a white t-shirt on because when I looked at it after on the cameras you see what happened so I'm just like hitting everyone and everyone in my way and this lad comes up when he stabs me once and then he walks away but I haven't moved and I'm just fighting I haven't felt it and then he comes back around and he's like this fucking kid's still fighting and I remember being in the ambulance and I was going to the woman just tell me if I'm gonna die and she wouldn't answer me and I was going just tell me and she kept turning and then I was going they had me strapped with my arms and I started like shaking the thing and I was going just fucking tell me if I'm gonna die I just think back to myself and I think when I'm talking with you now I think like the first few months I had a girl pregnant there I had no money I had a little fucking shitty I was living in a little box room with a little bit of a fan and I was what was I over there for what was I was chasing something I was chasing what I'm doing now a lot of people come to me a lot of times they'll go what what you think of Conor McGregor you know we hit that all fell and I go I don't really give a fuck you know he's a fucking unbelievable fighter I don't really care about his thingy life people go he's a wanker him look at how he's and I'm like mate how could you not change he's had a hundred and fifty million thrown at him he's been the fucking best in the world he's the most fucking one of the most famous athletes in the world and that all happened in a such a short time Bwm mor on Yes and today's guest we've got UFC's Dan Tull How are we brother? I'm good mate, very good Thanks for coming on the show No problem mate You've made a great name for yourself so far on the UFC Flying, still only 27 Like I said earlier I feel as if you've been about for fucking 10, 20 years I don't know if it's the noise up you give everybody online and the shit that you do phenomenal fighter, great story Especially coming from the streets to eventually achieving what you're achieving at such a young age phenomenal So I take my heart off to you brother Thank you How are you? I'm good mate, yeah I just just all trying to survive now aren't we with the world What's happening you know what I mean It's a weird time in it Yeah I thought we were speaking before weren't we mate you just got a crack on haven't you Crackly man, keep your head above water a lot of people are sinking so It's all mixed reviews people thinking this and that but for me it's just focus on yourself It's on your family and then everything else will take care of business If you don't know 100% what's fucked and what you shouldn't be like that's as I said to you before Probably is something going on behind the scenes what we don't know about whatever But none of us know everyone's like claiming to know Do you know what's happening, do you know what this is happening But who really knows I certainly don't know I don't know People are setting guests and you watch a couple of YouTube videos and it obviously makes people an expert Yeah But again whoever's making the YouTube videos we're talking pure Google Solisters I call them You can be talking pure pony as well They're just Google Solisters Google what the Google pandemic and a million things will come up and they'll go right that's true That's Google Solisters mate They don't know what's happening It's a weird time but it's got a crack on I always go back to the start with my guest brother Find out where you grew up and how it all began Where's the start Do you know what mate it's fucking I didn't really like I don't like to I wouldn't ever like to sit here and disrespect people who've actually Come up really hard and come from the streets Because I come from the streets of Liverpool You know it's rough and it's tough but I've never had this I'm not going to sit here and say oh struggle there was You know we never had money for food or stuff like that I had a good upbringing you know I was a little shit on the streets but I had a good life a good upbringing and My only problem was I used to love fighting I used to always get into fights You know what mate actually I played 40 for both for a long time and I was actually an alright little player And then when I was like 12, 11 11, 12 I started going to the gym with my dad I ran a corner of the boxing gym And as soon as I hit the bag mate that's where it began Where do you get that feeling from Is anybody in the family a feeling No like my dad My dad's a big you know I'm a big guy My dad's a big guy you know It's funny cos I've got the nickname gorilla He actually looks like a fucking gorilla His hands are huge but You know he can have I can imagine me that I've never seen him fighting I can imagine he can have a scrap you know he's a big dude But he wasn't a boxer or a fighter My My sister you know I've only got one sister All my dad's family on that side All into cars and stuff and all my mum's side You know just got normal jobs So I always often wondered to myself like Is there a past relative Along the line he was just like me Fucking A bit fucked in the brain and just fucking Cut fight like fuck you know what I mean So I don't know where I got that from Like I can't say I got it from my dad Even though you know my dad and my grandad got me into fighting At the start you know when I was about to let my dad Was like come on come to boxing gym with me And we'll just you know you can crack on And from there I just fell in love with it And I just thought I feel like I've learned what I needed to learn In school now So I'm not going to go to school no more I'm going to dedicate my whole self to this So when I was about 13 I stopped I was in like a programme And It was like a naughty boys programme And I had to go to church And do the gardening and that So I'd do that right and then on dinner time I'd get my bike and go to my car I had a key for my grandad I would wake on the wagons away and that I'd sleep and then I'd bike the gym 40 minutes and now I may be on the bike And I'd done that every day And I stopped going to school until my mum found out And there was just There was like madro over it And it was like you know what are you doing I was like listen I want to just fight I said I've learned what I feel like I need I don't feel like I need to learn no more in school You know even though I was probably on the brink of getting expelled and everything Anyway and she was like no you need school This fighting is just a phase you're going through And I was like it ain't you know I was like you're going to say I fought with me massively But I had a lot of arguments like My mum was a good mum She wanted me to go to school Learn get good exams and all that stuff And I just was like no man I want to be a fighter And I'm fucking really good at it She'll come up with the gym and see me That's just from then I just created something on my own And then at that point me and my dad went Close no more I just started taking myself off to the gym I've never really spoke of that I've been watching this My dad split up my mum And then like we just sort of Gradually distanced Like he got like a new girlfriend And a new family It was probably more to do with me He made attempts at speaking to me But we just grew We just distanced I wished him a happy birthday today But we just don't speak So from then on My grandma would just pay me subs For the gym, I never had no money to pay the gym At one point and he'd just pay me subs So I was biking to the gym I was getting to the gym anyway I was getting the bus I was getting lifts off guys If they lived around the area My first gym, my Moitai gym Was like 40 minutes away from my house But I started Moitai By my house With a guy called Simon And then he moved the gyms I lived in Malton which is about 40 minutes away But that was my first gym So I was making any attempt to get there And my granddad would just support me With bits of money on that I was totally dedicated Where did you get that passion from At an early age that you knew exactly what you wanted from such a young age? I don't know I just I seen fighting, I seen what I could do And I seen how quickly My thing was always I wanted to be technically the best I wanted to Just be a superior fighter There's fighters who are strong And tough and big And power and stuff like that I just always wanted to be technically Far superior And I noticed at an early age I had that in me Because at that age I was like 13, 14, 15 I was sparring with men And physically bigger people And all the kids were around the same age I had just got to a point in the gym Where I was just better than everyone There was no challenge anymore I was so skilled And not blowing my own trumpet I was My Muitai coach had vouched for me And obviously After Muitai I went to MMA But that's a different story At that age I didn't want to do anything else I only wanted to train and fight And that was it Passion for our love straight away Did you have good guidance from your trainer? Yeah, of course He'd take me off to training in Leeds With all the top fighters from there And he'd get me fighter Around the country My first professional fighter Muitai was actually in Scotland In a Greenock Fucking crackpoters down there Mate, I swear we went in And everyone was just like No teeth fucking I was just 15 and I was like I don't like to be And then And the guy who was fighting was like 26 And I was like I'm not into this fight and I was so naive I was like And then I went in and I was just like I just smashed him I got like 300 quid I think for my first fight And I was just like that's what my coach after Come on, let's get out of here Because they're all just like You scouse cunt This is mad This was my first fight But we travelled, we went to Canada I lived in Thailand For a stint I've still The same passion I had then I've still got now Obviously you hit speed bumps along the way And the road and blah blah blah But at the start My thing Was just make money anywhere you can And train to be the best I always had the mentality If I ever think that I'm going to be second best I would have stopped there and then But I knew I could be the number one At fighting Just fighting in particular So that's why I never stopped Because if I ever sat back and thought I'm not as technical as maybe him or him I think I'm going to stop Because he'll always be ahead of me I could never live with that deep down But I know even up into this day Like I'm still fighting to be the number one Like in my eyes what I'm in now When you're the champion You're at the elite level You're number one So that's what I'm still chasing now But back then it was the same mentality If I ever stopped for the second thought I'm going I think I'm only going to get to be number five or four I don't think I can be as better as that guy With the number one ones then Had I stopped That was like my mentality I don't know where that mentality came from I don't know where it came from But none of them were ever fighters So I can't tell you right now Where it came from You've got to have that belief no matter what it is For anybody watching, no matter what it is you choose You've got to believe you're the cream of the crop You've got to believe you're the best Or you will just accept And your existence will just not be as great as it can be Because there's levels to everything There's levels to the game If you're at such a young age You're travelling everywhere You're constantly seeing yourself as number one How did your friends treat you Did you have any friends when you were in your teenage years Or did you distance yourself from everyone I grew up in a rough area I had my friends But There was a point where I was just Distance enough to something else A lot of them I got involved with bits of crime And whatever You just see yourself We had no arguments You see yourself sort of grown further away Cos you're just chasing something And you know what's funny My mum, she still lives round where they grew up She loves it round there And I see all the lads in there They just treat me with respect And they love what I've done And what I am doing I'm not one of them I don't like the cliche thing I don't forget where they've come from You see a lot of rap guys I still go the hood What that statement means I haven't forgot where they've come from People say statements like that And I think it's thrown in security Cos they have forgotten where they've come from And they have let money get the better than them fame And I would be An absolute gobsite if I said now I haven't forgotten where they've come from It changes all of us Maybe it changes you for the better or for the worse But it definitely changes you Do you know what I mean? I wouldn't sit here to you Money hasn't changed me I'm just that until from this place Do you know what I mean? I am But certain things happen Are happening in my life right now And they've changed my mentality I've had loads of money You get this fame Where you walk on And it changes you Of course it does You'd be a liar if you said it didn't It's a weird feeling though To a lot of people I speak to You become a bit close People who are then getting it Because you can't be asked as much as people say They don't want to change When people are constantly wanting your attention It can be draining And you find out fuck it I'm just going to stay in Do you know what I mean? I'm the same I get anxiety If I think I've got to go somewhere And I'll get notes and I'm like fuck I'll just I'm going to leave that I always say this Of course I will That's a lie There's times when Maybe I'm having a bad day Up to this day I've never said no For voters People want to have a chat I can't have a fucking time in a chat with everyone But there's days where you have your bad days And I'd be lying if I said Some days I don't care Some days you're just like I just can't be asked Let me get to my destination where I'm going Let me do what I'm doing You know you get a lot of guys Let's say famous guys And they're like oh yeah no fame hasn't changed me Or you know I don't care I get as many votes I've got time for everyone No you haven't because If you had time for everyone you wouldn't have no time for yourself You have to look after yourself Number one your family as you just said Definitely so when you start to get After your first fight did you start getting a buzz for that Making a bit of money No I didn't In my time there's no money to be made I've purely just done it for the love Do you know what as much as I love money and I love cars And watches and houses Every time Obviously I'm fighting on a bigger level Now every time I'm fighting and the contract Comes through and like I have to sign it I can imagine a lot of guys For instance Conor McGregor I don't get that much I don't like to look at the money Because I think I haven't I need to reign that as soon as I fight You know the fight So to this day I can safely say Maybe there's a bit in me that thinks about the money And stuff and blah blah blah But I do it to be the best That's just truthfully I do it to be the best Do you know what I mean At the start when I was fighting in Scotland And getting 200 quid And 300 quid It was just purely for the love And to be the best I was fighting in Canada, I was fighting in Thailand I was fighting up and down in the country Leeds, London, everywhere And I never made any money ever Until I changed over to him and me And then obviously you're going up the ranks But at the start mate It was just purely for the love For the love who you're enjoying Just the escape of it Just getting out and trying to keep off the streets Like that I just loved fighting You know what I mean Every day was a pleasure just like Did you enjoy getting hit? Yeah, I really do Is that like a sense of self harming? It could be, yeah There's actually a clip on my Instagram Of one of the guys in the gym He's a heavyweight Tom And on the video you see he dropped my guard And he just wallops me And I go good shot I loved technique and hitting pads But I loved going on the gym to fight To spar And I enjoyed it I used to get a thrill And I still do even more now Of being hit but hating people I never had no mercy ever All my training partners would tell you As much as I loved them I'm quite an evil bastard I love inflicting pain And that sounds bad That's just my mentality I think you need a mental UFC fighter You've got to have that psychotic kind of thing To get in there and listen it's life or death It's no fucking about Because I've seen some of your fights Where you've hit them on the floor And you're letting them punch you And I'm thinking what the fuck That's true, that's guilty as hell There's a guy who came to the gym today He's been in a family friend for years He's a boxing coach He's a hard bass He came and watched the training The MMA needs you You guys are fucking insane You're throwing in the air Landing on your knees and your shoulders This is a vicious, vicious sport And it is, I think UFC I'm not going to say UFC, I think cage fighting Is the most vicious thing around As a sport I wouldn't necessarily call it a sport It's just barbaric on it But as an art as well It's a craft To be the best To be the champion in the UFC To be the best in mixed martial arts You have to ultimately be A black belt in every area You have to have mastered The art of mixed martial arts It's not boxing You train one art Or Muay Thai or kickboxing In MMA there's so many different factors And ways you can lose and win So to master that and to be the best It takes a lot of years But it just shows you how far it's come Over the last 10 years to now compete My boxing, which was probably untouchable And they thought anything would ever compete With that until it's just boomed Yeah, boxing's a touchy subject Cos as I started boxing I love boxing, I've got loads of friends who are boxers But at the moment I'm just like Boxing is just the shambles Like the best fighters and I'm fighting the best fighters Like right now I think the fight To me, to Tyson Fury and Joshua I don't know enough I'll never comment on stuff I don't know enough about But why can't that fight be made It's money, politics Waiting till we both get to a certain age So in my opinion now UFC and let's say MMA cage fighting has took over boxing Who picks your fights? Is it Dana? Or do you get a chance? I think when you get to a certain level In MMA And obviously in the UFC Where you're main event in all around The world, you have a say on who you fight Not that I pick and choose But you ultimately want to choose the best opponent For your style So I speak to Dana Or the matchmakers and they're like We want you to fight on such a date There's three opponents names You can pick from Main event, who do you want Speak to me coach, who do you think is the best opponent We'll fight him That's as simple as that What is, did you go to Brazil? So I was I was 19 And I was 19 Going on 20 I went on the 25th of December To Brazil And I came back exactly to the day Four years later Christmas day Cos you fucked off cos you get plugged So I was at that point I'd switched over Realist cannon at that age 19 I just fucking loved fighting Outside the ring I wasn't into guns and knives That just wasn't my thing I was at that time Went into it and I was just mad I was just mad where I just wanted to fucking fight with anyone If there was a problem I'd be like Yeah I'm there My coach He loved the way I was in the gym I trained really hard and dedicated myself But then he'd see me going off Causing trouble And getting into troubles I was finding ways to earn money And I was always getting I was always having bother with Maybe a few lads, a few gangs and whatever I was I was in a party I wasn't having trouble with this gang of lads I was just in a party One of my mates was just fighting with this gang of lads And you know obviously just fucking Be a psychot or just went over to just try and sort it So I just started having like Made With this group of lads But at that point the club was just going insane I felt like everyone was having made it when I think back to it And I Some lads come by me and stabbed me And I didn't feel it, I had a white T-shirt on Cos when I looked at it After on the cameras you see what happened So I'm just like hitting everyone and everyone In my way And this lad comes up and he stabs me once And then he walks away But I haven't Moved in any, I'm just fighting I haven't felt it and then he comes back around He's like this fucking kid's still fighting And he does it again And then I'd say 10 minutes After that I was still fighting I was fighting with the Dormin Do you know what, just like put it in a nutshell I fucking batted everyone in view I couldn't be stopped, people were smashing bottles on me The Dormin couldn't even crack on me And I wouldn't go down, I was just going psychotic And then I got backed up By the Dormin and loads of people Going mad, I don't even know where they were I got backed into a corner in the toilets And they were like that and you need to I knew the Dormin, you need to stop You've been stabbed and I was like I haven't I was going mental and then I looked down And my top was just red, it just changed the colour Red and I was like whoa I was like nah fuck that on the start I was on the toilet seat thing and I was kicking the Dormin And then as I've come up the toilet I'm still fighting the next minute I've just got like a sage of like Like I come down and I just went whoa And I collapsed on the stairs and I was like This is what I remember but I was like whoa I can't even move and then the Dormin They dragged me up To the front doors of the club In time and the head Dormin He pulled me against the wall And this is the God's Honour I remember this brightest day So I'm sat there and he's going you've been stabbed I need to put my fingers in your wound So I think he had like harm He put his fingers in my wound And he's going to need you to stay awake And I shut my eyes and he's going Dad I can't let you shut your eyes You're not dying he was saying all that stuff to me So he had his fingers in my wound And I'm just like that whoa what's going on And then I remember like seeing all people around Like crying and that And then I seen like blue flashing lights The ambulance and he's still there And I'm just I wanted to go sleep at this point I was just like nah just let me sleep And I believed to this day that I went to sleep I would have died because The way I've been stabbed was so close to me Like even the doctor who Didn't say you know what I mean He's like Darren one more little bit And if the ruptured boat you're at He wouldn't have survived So like I think of stuff like that And I remember being in the ambulance and I was going to the woman Just tell me if I'm gonna die And she wouldn't answer me And she kept turning and I was going They had me strapped with my arms And I started like shaking the finger I was going just fucking tell me if I'm gonna die And she was like no you're not gonna die And I remember getting casted off to Rossport And I woke up like two days later I'm my mum and some friends And I was standing at the end of my bed How was that feeling? Do you know what mate I'd be probably lying to you If I said that it meant To me I was just like fucking I got stabbed That was like I'm gonna have to kill that That didn't seem like But a lot of people cared for me Especially in the gym a lot of people come to see me And I'm not gonna name no names But they all come to see me and just give me words of wisdom And you know when I got out The fate I didn't go home At that time I can't even remember where I was living mate I'd been kicked out by my mothers I lived with my uncle being kicked out I'd lived with my fucking me grandad being kicked out Gone back so I think I was living with me grandad I didn't go me grandad, I didn't go my mothers I went straight to gym to see Colin And I remember it was a Tuesday morning All the fighters were in there And I remember seeing Colin Colin just looked at me And I was on crutches and I just sat on the ring And like Mach and a few of the lads Come over to me and tear in that And then I waited till the end Until to see Colin And Colin was like listen I wanna chat to you later on Like we'll have a chat on that I said alright do you want me to come back I said yeah so I went to me grandad And Colin was sitting On the radiators and he said come over to your son So I went all hob all over on me crutches And he went listen what do you want from life He's like he's very Straight and dry Colin Like as I say he's the most influential Influential man of my life right now And has been for years but he's went what do you want He's like I'm not just gonna blow smoke He's like you've got the potential To be the best in the world I've seen it I can make it happen Blah blah blah You're 50-50 now You're training but you're going out And you're just being a fucking moron He's like what do you want And I was like you know Colin I don't really know I just wanna be the best I'm gonna send you to Brazil I'm gonna send you over there You're gonna stay there For as long as you need to stay And get yourself Dedicated get yourself Don't think about anything else Fuckin' go on smash it I was like alright then I know 90% of people are like nah Comfort zone stuff like that That time even though I had family I didn't really have anything I didn't have like Nothing was important to me You're homeless That's what I say Basically I had the When I say about This is backtracking a bit now To be like open and honest My mum My mum was always very close And then when I was like 15-16 An incident occurred with my mother I went out It was New Year's Eve Went out with my friends My friend Christopher Come back about 12 o'clock We'd been out As you do I lived in my mum's boxing In a small room We've gone to sleep My mum's quite a hothead I'll probably get me angry I'm two things I'm very angry when I need to be And my mum's two of them things I just woke up to screaming And my mum's like At that point me and my mum were going down a sparrow Because she seen what was happening with me She knew at that point She accepted that Darren's really good fighter She'd been to see me fight everywhere Blah blah blah But she was like he's fucking mental He's fucking He's fucking I was just fucking loose mate But as I said I wasn't a fucking Mad criminal I was fucking dumb things I wasn't making war with guns and knives I was just fucking monster I was just fucking bash anyone But there was none of this like In May I had respect for anyone I was just thinking who's the hardest bastard I'm fucking killing I hope the fucking hardest bastard I woke up to screaming and shouting And my mum was like you can get out this fucking house And I was like what the fuck's happened And one of them me it takes me five minutes to wake up My room was full of sick So my friend had threw up In the middle of the night So he's just sat there in the corner And he's like what the fuck's wrong And my mum just started screaming My friends left So she's at the top of the stairs At this point and I'm at the bottom And my mum used to have all her shoes On the stairs You do that but you put your shoes on your stairs She's going I want you out this fucking house You're a piece of shit and I'm like oh fuck off And next minute I've grabbed the shoe And I threw it out of anger And it's fucking clattered my mum's face And I've turned around and my mum's crying And she's on the floor And I've just went What the fuck And my mum had a boyfriend at this point He's coming running out the room Not the fucking front me I thought what's going on And I'm like I don't know And my mum's just crying And I've ran out the house And I don't even know where I went I can't remember I thought I'll just give her hours And my mum will be okay When I've come back to my mum She wasn't there No one was in So I'm in my room Next minute I had a knock on the door And it was the police And at that point he just knew that I was a loose cannon And my mother Something needs to be done about it I don't hold no hatred towards what he does So he banged the police The police was like I complained to whatever He's like we need to take it on the station I was like okay And at this point I didn't know what had happened So I got out the police station the next day And I found out My mum's one of her bones It fractured off the boot And I was like What the fuck have I done I was like wow I need to speak to my mother Because at that point my mum was really close She was like my best friend So I went off to my nans My mother's mum And I was like I need to speak to my mum She was like she doesn't want to speak to you And I was like what the fuck have I done So she wouldn't speak to me And then after a few days I was with my other nan Who's my dad's mother And he got to speak to me Mum what the fuck She's like I'm not even bothered about the fact That you threw a boot at me Mum you know what didn't do that I fucking did mean it She's like that's besides the point You're just fucking mental She's like I don't want you back in the house And I was like okay And then that is the story leading up until I was about 19 Where I was just floating from place to place I lived in the gym I lived in my uncle's And I lived with friends I wasn't homeless And there was never a day when I didn't go out That's why I don't want to sit in and say I had a hard life It's just people were taking in Who could handle you at that moment And tell you cracked up So that was basically the story Up until 19 I was just fucking in love With the gym But I was also just in love with being a bit of a Not case I'm still a not case now You grow up and you mature Do you think the stab and save your life A lot of people ask me that People even day to day now They know about it And they say I think If I'm being honest For a coach like Colin To just totally send me off somewhere else Like as a student Just to like I don't know I think Colin saved my life I think that incident And Colin Jumping in Saved Cos I think if I'd have stayed around Maybe potentially I could have been a world champion But I don't want to say something cliche If I didn't find fighting I'd either be dead or in jail Every fighter says that Shut the fuck up I'm not going to say that But I probably was just going down a road That maybe I wouldn't have liked Maybe a fucking life of crime I don't know Things have been a rest in that But I don't know I just think that all incident had to happen And me going to Brazil And the fucking things that happened over there I've just basically I think the four years I spent in Brazil It just moulded me into the person I am today I'm not a great person I've got me faults but I like to think that Them four years grind and fucking In the date Moulded me cos I had I'll be honest when I say When I them first like few months in Brazil Were fucking Grim and hard I was alone Cos The day before I went to Brazil I was fighting So I had that stab The day before I went to Brazil I had a few run ins And I was in the pub doing me good bars And that to everyone Funny enough that pub Is where the smiths On that night when I was fighting Five minutes before I was fighting I was speaking to the boxer Liam Smith And the next minute he's probably just looking over About that fucking darling He's fucking looking over there Made a lot of lads again And I remember just fucking Having made with these guys One guy glassed me in everything And when I got stitched up at the hospital Come back the same booze I tried to have One of them actually fucking clipped me Like with a good shot Got on the plane and I'm like Just on this plane two black eyes Stitches everywhere and people just look at me And just sat there like that Fuck with these consoles And then I got to Brazil And Colin's sort of affiliate out there Marcello Brigadero Who you know Took me in as to say Was greeting me a day when he was like What the fuck's happened to you? He's like We need to just change this And then from there mate From the 25th of December to the 13th of June I was going to stay there for six months And A series of events just must have Maybe I don't believe in all I don't know what I believe in really to be honest But maybe the world wanted me to stay there longer Or I don't know maybe the world wanted me To have me daughter I've got over there now It was tough but The things I got from it I got to the UFC, I got me daughter I found friends Lifelong friends I found a new language I found different parts of the world That you'd probably never say That lad from Liverpool Brazil was just fucking mental That takes a lot of bottle though At 19 to take jump But that shows you your character To realise that you were going down a fucked up road That the two options probably were Like you say it is cliche but prison are dead Because you potentially would have probably killed someone At that age of the violence So once you start hitting 22 or 23, 24 You become an even different animal Liverpool's a violent place as well It's funny because you have these conversations You go like oh he's the craziest And then someone goes oh well he's the craziest Liverpool's a place where there's a lot of egos And a lot of cases I love Liverpool but it's full of crackpots I always say to me I'm the hardest of Liverpool I guarantee I'm not, I bet there's a few fucking people I don't even know about you, fucking wipe the floor Liverpool has got a lot of good people But there's a lot of violent people Who don't give a fuck What you're that until I don't give a fuck about you So it would have been either A rise to the top in Liverpool Maybe just fucking whatever Or they start until it's getting out of hand We need to fucking sort him out Too violent It could have been maybe a life of death But that's all here and now isn't it It's all in the past That's your character And I think that's why you're so well liked I'm predictable And I think that's why people love you I think that's why you've got your whole city behind you I like to think that These events and all I'm one of them I've probably never gonna be Like a model boy Let's say Anthony Joshua Who wants to come I'm not the biggest fan of Anthony Joshua But I'm just using him as an example I think he's a fucking terrific boxer He's like in the Google Advait In the links and he's a fucking He's probably just a great person And then you've got me Who just fucking slags everyone off at every point You know I've got I'll just say things What I believe in and no one's gonna stand next to me You shouldn't really say that because Some people aren't gonna agree with it Like if you say that a lot of footballers are protected by agents And that like what they can say and can't say UFC fighters And me, he fights a little bit different And I'm probably the most rugged out of all I'll just say what I believe in And then deal with the consequences after Whether that's good or bad It's just your character It doesn't change for no one That's what sells fights as well And UFC's like that you can as a free-for-all Going back to Brazil That's probably where my mentality came from Cos I was just like Molding myself day by day I didn't know where the next bit of money was coming For rent At that point I was training in the gym With all these fucking Mad Favella Brazilian Cos I've been to some Favellas And I've seen some fucking things I've seen a lot of fat dead people over there And I've had fucking fights with Favella kids over there The maddest thing you could do And like I was just fucking mental And as soon as I got I would have suited you a T then Like a little mental kid Like me going there and seeing What real is mental Like poor and Favellas And all that You think wow like Liverpool ain't got shit England ain't got shit on this It's luxury here compared to some places I was in a great place Tungent by long this city I lived in was great It was like a facewell country But just everything I got there in fucking The start of January And it's like I seen The girl behind the reception Both together In the first few months I had a girl pregnant over there Like Dad and Tilla's arrived But do you know When I think back to it I think wow I've got a seven year old daughter I'm 20 years old and I've got a seven year old daughter Who's just a little Brazilian child now We only speak over FaceTime Especially now because of Covid I had the trip planned to book there But I just think back to myself And I think when I'm talking with you now I think like the first few months I had a girl pregnant I had no money I had a little fucking shitty I was living in a little box room with a little Bit of a fan And I was, what was I over there for I was chasing something I was chasing what I'm doing now Searching What's funny is I can probably say when I got over there I was still nuts I like a drink I was fucking drinking over there There was a goal And every day I'd speak to Colin And Colin would say are you the best in the gym? And he'd be like nah this guy's beat me Well fucking beat him tomorrow Next day are you the best in the gym? Say what you want to be Darren Say I am Dad and Tilla And I would be world champion So I'd say no put it in fucking capital My culture doesn't give a fuck Put it in capital letters now Next day Are you the best yeah? No so and so beat me Tomorrow wipe the floor with that cunt Back again We haven't spoke for weeks somewhere have you been? Sorry Colin Don't you fucking go weeks without speaking to me? Are you the best yeah? No I'll say you are Dad and Tilla And you are gonna be a world champion Say it night that's it fuck this shit Say it 20 times to me now write it Right I'll speak to you tomorrow And that was just like a real game thing And then when I got me fucking You know going Forwarding a few years in Brazil When I got that fight when I'd beaten everyone in Brazil And I'd won that fucking belt and everything And the contract came for the UFC Colin was like said to me coach You'd already accepted it Colin said to me I didn't want this fight But you know what if I know Someone can go out there and do it It's you cos he a mentality If it was anyone else that said don't take the fight I fucked up you had no much you don't give a fuck Do it and I was like call I'm gonna stop This guy in the second man he's like I know I was like call I promise you I'm gonna stop him Since I'm here now And I've had a few losses in my life And I'm learning a lot more I'm still trying to find a way to get That confidence at that time Was just fucking unbelievable I didn't give a fuck for no one Everyday was like I say I don't wake up early now Cos I'm one of them And I like to get up late like 19 o'clock I used to wake up at 6 o'clock And my daily grind was Wake up, go and teach private Go to gym, come home, wolf your dinner Go back out, teach private, train Come home, wolf your dinner In Brazil they have the gyms open to the very eyes Go back out teaching 11 o'clock Right, strength fair, strength and condition And that was just me Every fucking single day and I was thinking There ain't no content in this Who's the number one in Brazil And he's the guy I beat in my debut in UFC His name's Wendell It's a big massive huge black eye Arms like this and I used to think You're the number one cunt and I'm going to get you So I was beating everyone but that was just my daily grind Wake up, teach, train But speak to Colin, you're the best wrestler You need to be the best wrestler So these cunts can't take your damn So you need to pick My wrestling coach out there, Tim Rubig Is brain, everyday Every day, every day And that was just my life over there And why was Colin's? Colin Herring I've watched a few of his videos, he seems very nice But I've spoke to the boys and he says He's actually a nutcase as well Why you seem like a man who wouldn't listen to anyone Why have you got so much respect for Colin? This question come up to the day I was actually speaking to a friend Who was having a bit of trouble with his son now His son's a boxer and his son's getting to that age now Where he's starting to like His dad's a big fucking lump and he's starting to size his dad up like And he said to me, dad, I don't know what to do Cos he probably would fuck me, I have to grab him He's like What was you like? I was like To be honest, my dad's a fucking I used to get a belt off my dad, my dad's a big fucker I said, but when I got to like 15 I was like, nah, this cunt ain't giving me no belts No more, not a chance I'm 15, I've got I'm grown into a man Try and touch me son, see what happens Slip bang He just said to me, I said Fuck for no, I'm fighting I said, you know, if someone threatens me I'm gonna shoot me and be like Fuck, I don't need that shit, but fighting scenes My dad, I don't fucking fear no man I went for a fear calling And he went, why calling then? I said, I can't even tell you I said, I'm just absolutely shaking of calling And then he turned and I was like He trains in a gymnasium And he's a big fucking dude He was like, here I am as well And everyone says the same thing He's straight He doesn't have no morons around him And everything he does I believe 100% is just for the good He's not motivated by money Even though he says to me, come on, when are we gonna make our 10 million He deserves that I don't deserve that UFC world title Colin Heron deserves that UFC world title You know, the guys who've helped me through the gym Coming up through the years Deserved that, but ultimately When I get that UFC world title I'll feel like when I win that UFC world title I'll have completed life Everything after that then is a bonus Cos I haven't been looking past that I just have to sit back And enjoy my kids and my family now When people say, cos you're doing it for your kids And I'm like, no I'm not I'm not doing it for my kids at all I got in this to do it for me They are gonna reap the benefits of their father Being a champion and having money And being able to brag to their mates about I'm doing this for me mate But ultimately when I get that UFC strap Colin, cos he deserves it That's what my friend was like He was saying, why does Colin Why is Colin the only man then I can't even tell you myself I've just got so much respect And I'm so disciplined I wouldn't put a foot wrong in that gym When I'm in that gym I don't put a foot wrong I've never answered them back I've never done as what I shouldn't do It's outside that Jimmy hates me Do you know what I mean? I've had a few belts off I'm like, what the fuck are you doing When I got caught robbing the taxi In I was about to say my bag Because we were talking about it In Tenerife And I remember just getting the phone call Of Colin and my friend John And he's like, you fucking come And you got back here, we're gonna fuck you And I was like, that's me You're not gonna fuck me, if Colin's gonna fuck me And I got back in Colin's just like You little cunt, he's grabbing me And I'm like Colin, I'm sorry He's like, get up to the office now Get up there now, you little cunt And it's been that way since the start with Colin And he's just the only man Cos if you said any other man now I'd say, I don't really give a fuck But he seems to have ingrained that morning mentality See that repetitive with believing yourself You're gonna be world champion You tell yourself that stuff enough You will eventually believe it He seems to be on the path of the love attraction I think totally There's method behind what he says and what he does And to go back to it I'm like trying to find that What me and Colin used to have Cos we see each other everyday now But in Brazil it was just a tad different It was just like every single day He was on me And every single day My goal was just to not even be the best Fighting the world It was just annihilate the guys in the gym And I'm not saying that in a bad sense I don't want to injure a long-term age Injure me partners But his thing was you need to be the best in that gym Than you need to do whatever it takes And don't get me wrong, when I was in Brazil I'm not coming off here as I was 100% dedicated On a Friday night I'd still go out And have a booze and do mad things Do you know what I mean It was just a bit more It was a little bit different because I had nothing, didn't have anything I remember I used to question myself On a Friday when I'd be paid I'd be like right, you've got enough money To either pay your rent Or eat sushi And sushi was lovely It's a luxury And at that point I didn't have that luxury So it was either pay your rent Or eat sushi Can you guess what, one every time One every time The girl who used to collect that She was an old woman She was a nice person For the team that you ever met You tell her it was a trip I have to tell her You know when you say that I should have taken one for the team Because they made that extra for over Missing me rent James, you know what If I could rewind time now And take one for the team I think I would But that was it every Friday And then she'd been off I have to pay her next I've always had this mentality With money If I haven't got it, I'm just going to tell you I haven't got it If I owed someone money And they're like I know the fuck I'm just mental If you don't pay them that then they'll get it I just remember I haven't got your money I just have to expect what you're going to do to me Do you feel as if something's kind of a mist There's a link there from 19 to a year now Do you not feel as if you've got that fire The killing mentality that you had then To it now, do you think there's something that you need to improve on? This, yeah As I say James, there ain't no one here Next to me saying that I'll say to you what comes to mind Whether it be good or bad I think that's the best remedy Now, that's lost me sponsors In my life That's probably lost me fucking friends in my life Whatever, but I'll say what comes to mind Do you know what I mean? I'm not going to sit yourself I'm a great person Do you know what I mean? Things happen In your life You get to this stage now A lot of people will come to me a lot of times They'll go, what do you think of Conor McGregor? He hit that all fell I don't really give a fuck He's a unbelievable fighter I don't really care about his thingy life He's a wanker him, look at how I'm like mate, how could you not change He's had 150 million thrown at him He's been the best in the world He's one of the most famous athletes in the world He's happened in a such a short time Do you know what I mean? Can you just imagine he's got like what 50 million followers on Instagram He's got millions, he's got every come wanting a piece of him That's all happened fast Now, man happened like that Obviously not on his scale I'm still waiting to get there But I come back from Brazil And just had fight, fight, fight Then had my big fight And then just came into money So you sort of lose Between where you're going The days I wake up and I'm like I'm putting too much time and effort into like my brandy Like my watch brand or Roadog I'm putting too much time and effort into building my house up And I think like fuck everyone off Shut your businesses down Put them in the street, get back to fighting I'll have them days where I wake up And I'm like no, you've put too much time into this In Brazil, there was none of that In Brazil it was literally just train, eat Drink fucking beers, fight There was no money, there was no clothes There was no cars, there was no bills No responsibilities There was making money for your kid And fight And just do that And that was it mate Now it's like I've got responsibilities in Brazil Like I can't miss a payment With my daughter, I had to go to court I have set up payments Way more than I should I always give extras because I want to see me jalef everything But I've got that, so every month I'm thinking Right I have to pay that Right I've got to pay for my house Right I've got to pay for the cars I've got to pay for my two kids here Does my mum need money? Is my grandad okay? Is my business doing good? Have I put that post on Instagram? So and so ask me to tag them in this story I'm not getting on average You know what I mean? You've just got all that And it's like You forgot about fighting You forgot about the most important thing That you're here for What's got me and what I'm doing Like if you said to me now Darren I'll give you a billion quid I want to be a champion And I'm probably not doing things right now To be the champion I go in the gym every day And I give me all My body's broken because of how much I give Maybe I'm getting sleepless nights And maybe I'm drinking more than I should You know what I mean? My diet's not strict I'm putting too much focus and energy into my brands I'm putting too much focus and energy into Going to get me cast A different colour That's all why the fuck am I doing that That's all because shit don't get me wrong My business and my brands are important But they're all just there The things that should be important to me And every day I should wake up is My family But you're identifying with it now But now you know it's time to get back to basics There's only 27 The next 5 years of your life is when you're going to beat your prime I believe you will win a world title in the next 18 months You know that yourself You've got that fire, you're identifying with these reefings Now it's just outside noise When you're coming from the streets Basically homeless, floating around Everything comes, you're thinking wow this is great And you realise wait a minute it's all bullshit And Liverpool's a place like that As much as I love Liverpool And give you distractions, the nightlife The fucking, your friends Let's go and do this, we'll do that, we'll go And don't get me wrong I'm not just blaming it on Liverpool As you said we had the chat before If you're going to blame something you've got to blame yourself You've got to take it to account I've got an addictive personality I can't get into something The guy asked me before Do you play poker then? And I'm like I probably couldn't get into that poker because I'm so addicted to stuff Like I'd probably just lose me head Start smashing people in your lose your money And also smashing money Cos I'm like out for 100% And I've always got this mentality It's either not or not 100% So I know for a fact if I enjoyed poker I'd be 100% So I'd be like that then The main focus again would get lost You get what I'm saying If my friend rang me up tonight I'm just like Darren I've just got this new car Let's go out racing I'm fucking there in five minutes Now I need the next an hour in bed I'm going out racing cars Do you know what I mean Darren I've just got a new quad here Are we out on the quads? Yeah I'm out Being in Brazil for four years It's not as if you were in prison But you've probably felt as if you've missed a big part of your youth So you might be reliving a bit just now Maybe the last year or two But you need to be careful that You don't lose it all fast Cos it's all bullshit You don't want to be sitting at 32 saying I could have been the contender I could have been the world's number one Because you've been so fucking close Everything should be moderated as well I did miss that part All my friends were going to holidays Try beating them festivals I was just fucking brand them at a daughter in Brazil Do you know what I mean Everything should be moderated 100% crazy over Cos then it becomes You can't train 24 hours a day You can't fight a fucking 100 times here That's to do with anything If you have 20 fucking Bananas are good for you If you eat 20 bananas, they're bad for you Everything should be moderated So same with me Last night me and my friends We haven't seen each other for months Obviously Covid There's no problem with that Imagine just every Friday and Saturday I was training and then just going out drinking It just defeats the purpose Would you ever think about moving away again For six months or a year back to Brazil I've had the thought I've actually had the conversations with Colin Back to your roots I've said we should do a few months out And do bike hall Or I can even go If you give the go ahead I've got a setup I've got my setups there I can just go whenever I want I'm one of them Me as well I'm not trying to say I like to run away from my problems But I like to get away Something could happen I'm like I need to get off here You run away from your problems I just need to go and clean I would love to get back to Brazil for six months Or We've got a setup in Dubai Go to Dubai for six months Or I like doing little things like that I've done it to Thailand I've done it to Romania I would love to do that I've actually had the conversations with Colin I think it's good for demand Every day you just be there in your car You've got your responsibilities If I went to Brazil now I ain't got nothing over there I'm only going there today Everything's focused around training If you're driving about here as well You're constantly on edge Even though you don't care You feel as if you have to give your attention To people who want it You've got to protect your energy If you're thinking they're going away for six months That's probably the right decision I coach you're a trainer But just speaking to you I'm going to clear out the noise Get back to basics And really focus on becoming that world champion It looks like Connor's doing the same thing now A bit of a tumble But when you look at him on social media It looks like he's in a little cupboard Of course you've got to be You look at his first videos I'm going to be a double champion I'm going to get all the money I want I'm going to be nobody can beat me Same as Tyson Fury When your goals are set The love attraction kicks into play You've focused on it You've achieved everything The fire goes out The fight for The biggest depression I've spoken to him He says People don't believe me I was close to suicide I was just waking up Smashing the booze The booze I was driving me free I watched it I spoke to him I don't know what I was doing I clicked I can be the best here Why am I fat as fuck What am I doing this for He's like my biggest inspiration I'm just looking at him Phenomenal The mindset These are the ones who's been there The fire went out What made your change They've done it It's to block out all the noise I'm one of these people I'm all or nothing I'll be all and I am very easily As much as I've got a strong man I've got a very weak man If you put 10 cheeseburgers in front of me I'm in the... You don't have to make white dogs I've actually seen an interview I feel like I keep harparing on about Conor McGregor But I've seen He's done a document He said we have rules in this house in the fridge Just meet some process and eggs Because if someone puts a cake in the fridge I'm going to eat the thing And I'm the same If I had to make white next week And you put 10 burgers I just do not give a fuck What anyone says Colin could even be there I'm eating them 10 burgers mate Do you think that fake could have a heart I'm at 170, you in Conor McGregor No I think that was just like At that time when he was flying That was a little funny thing I don't see me in Conor And I remember going to Ramfield And my dream is to One day fight at Ramfield and I remember thinking I had fight Conor here if he ever came up to 170 Imagine a fight like that But that was never going to fight Conor McGregor is like a fucking I know he's fighting well to right now But he's a featherweight I'm like I know I'm going up a right now I'm like a midway but even with me time off After I went to Conor McGregor I'm like a fucking light everywhere Conor McGregor's done to be fighting it Three different divisions to one and two bells To have created everything he's set out to You've got to take your hat off to that Your hat off to him especially when he's came from the streets as well But again to be then becoming on path To be a billionaire that shit's got to affect you Because you're thinking what the fuck is going on Do you know what I mean To be flying on private planes To be on welfare to then flying on private planes It's nuts because you're not taught Is anybody ever come in to you have seen it And tell you how to manage money I know the footballers They have agents, they have people around them Do this, don't do that Let's say for instance one of the footballers Of them coming Emma May is a bit more rugged and rigid I was telling you about when I was sponsored by Jim Schach When they initially came to me It was like We looked at their brand and it's like They're like sort of their target in the fitness Model industry Your IG influencers That's what they They're a billion dollar company now They've absolutely smashed the back of that So I remember them coming to me And they were saying to me It's not the way they want to sponsor you Because you're totally against everything Before The first meeting we have with them I remember them saying You see these memes you put up in 2017 Don't do that while you're sponsored But I was like It was a meme And it was like a little fucking gremlin Stuck on someone's body And the meme was like When you've had a wank and you can't be bothered Washing your comb off And it was disgusting And I was thinking Okay, I can moderate it But you don't have Playing a ballsy game From the start The guys you came to me who sponsored me The great guys They were apparently being told off You know, it was like Every day I was just Every day I just wanted to I just wanted to offend people on Instagram So I put memes up and I'm offended And so on and so on I've done this and I've done that And it was like It was a mad relationship Because They loved me and they were like This Darren's going to be a champion We love everything he's about The company based is all about These Instagram Clean cut So clean cut, I was there first of it Professional athlete Fighter, let's say That's signed with them Great relationship, but from the off It was just always like that Obviously my first loss And then my second loss The taxi thing happened We're going to have to let you go there I never had hard feelings towards them Face to face in Apple Sorry, they didn't face to face The guy who I had a good relationship He just rang me and he's like I think they had bosses involved Or did they use that excuse because you got a loss Could be, I don't know To this day maybe they thought He's had two losses here Because you've already been on social media Me, Craig and Tony were talking beforehand When people give you a shit, you just say Listen, I'll drive to your house and shag your man And I don't know, that sounds funny Why can you not get people shit? It's a weird word We're living in Nalach Do you know 90% of the people that follow me On social media They'll probably love me I just found just to see how much I'm a dickhead and a moron My whole philosophy on social media This thing has come along now This social media and it's blown up It's massive, it's huge And everyone's just got an opinion Everyone can voice their opinion Anyone can give you shit I get messages sometimes I'll get requests, I remember the first request That I showed my girlfriend And I went, look at that, this was last year And I went, look at that And she went, oh my god, what the fuck She's like, aren't you bothered? I said, how can I take that to see if someone had messaged me And was like, I'd put a story up on Instagram of my child And someone had messaged me going I was like, one That's a different level And I just looked and I went, fuck me mate Now That's social media People can do that, people can make Private profiles and do that If you've got that profile, we can put it up in the camera When you're speaking about it It was just a fake account It was just a message that blocked it 90% of my messages Are just fucking great messages Can you do this, that and I'm a fan I get the 10% where it's like And especially how I've got my audience My fan base are a little fan base On Instagram, it's all like I think they just wait for me to comment And give shit and they're all there With the popcorn, it's gonna go off I've got a brand made of Like Causing shit to one of the other fighters Mike Perry So that is my whole thing My mentality is I just don't take social media Any what way or shape or form Right now I've got two businesses I've opened with it And they're all online Social media based And they're my things But everything else, I just don't take myself too serious I just try to have a laugh, I try to put up stuff The right thing's funny If you follow me, you think it's funny, sad, weak and concrete Then I'll put stuff up and people are like People comment because they want to reply So people are like, damn you fucking cunt And I'm like, you're a cunt, you silly little cunt And then they message back on That mate loved to reply, big fan That's like what I've created, but it's cause I just don't take social media serious In any way, shape or form How did the beef start with you and Mike Perry Was it true that you wanted the Connerys fight And then fight him after the fight? I think he's gonna fight me when he ultimately sees me I'm gonna have to have some security Cos he's a hard little bastard But now It's a funny story, Mike had an argument In 2017 after my fight with Calway So he got up on the cage We can fight and then I seen him After that on the bus with his girlfriend And I'm like, oh my fan, I like 5,000 fans I'm like, oh my fans are with me I'm not gonna go and start some shit while he's with his girlfriend So I just looked at him and I just give him a nod And then I seen him at the airport And some of my friends were like I'll go over now and just take his jaw off And I was like, you can't do that mate He's with his fucking girlfriend So I just sorta looked at him And then in 2018 We was at the same hotel in the UFC And actually on video he just came over to me He said to me on the bus, he was like, do you wanna spar later? And I was like, I don't like that Thinking he wants to go to the gym with me To a steam and swana And I thought, if I come mad on him Does he want to see me dick or something So then everyone was filming He comes up to me outside the hotel reception He's like, are you off for this later, this spar? And I said, yes, whatever And he turned around and said, I haven't got no gloves And I went, what? I was like, what do you mean? Do you wanna spar? I thought you want to go to a spar And he's like, he's fucking mental He's like looking at me all confused And I went, yeah, if you wanna spar, we can spar So then later on that night He's like, message me, are you ready? I was like, yeah, let's go Went down to the gym in the hotel And we done like five rounds of sparring Who won? I'll never ever say I'll never ever say me I don't think he's actually said loads of times I beat that in that spar If that makes him feel good And sleeps at night And that's great for him But this is the thing I could go to Tyson Fury's gym now And beat him up in a spar He's actually come to my gym by spar And I took him down Imagine me going round saying Beat Tyson in a boxing spar today That sparant means absolutely Fuck all, jack shit You didn't get paid for it, no one's seen it Sparring's different, you don't have the nerves So for me to sit here and go I won Mike Perry in the spar That bullshit Because even if I did or I didn't It doesn't mean a thing Cos then we could fight and he could just go Knock me clean out What really matters, the spar That I beat him in the knockout He's just placed on me in front of everyone So he's come out to say loads And I batted that in that spar Is he using your name to get Recognition? Do you know what? He's had a lot of recognitions since we've been arguing I mean he's I know he's completely fell out with me I know he's 100% He probably hates me Cos it proper hate you, does it just banter to get? No, I think I think it is proper hate Cos we were having bants and we were messaging each other And I was like This was the first lockdown I was like come on let's have a bit of banter Let's fucking skit each other American humour and British humour It's whole two different things A lot of the Americans who follow me are Rar on my humour so they don't get a friend Or they're on it but Especially my humour Like I say to everyone Very dark, I can go as dark as you want Like Don't let all that Fender stuff in that So we were having back and forth calling each other Fuck cunts and blah blah and then one day I was like Listen you little fuck cunts on his ass Fuck and smash your joke clean off And I know Rodog you bit And I didn't mean anything by it and the post just went Astronomical I think I got like 150,000 likes I think I got like 10,000 comments My DMs Cos I always say to my friends I like Rodog This was before I even ever created the brand And The post the next day got deleted And Instagram deleted me account They do that on the regular and all I'm probably gonna get deleted soon From that I just didn't see your hair Of him He blocked me off everything And I was like nah he's not serious here is he And he was And from that he was like Cos I think he just met his current girlfriend Who's pregnant now And he was like nah fuck this guy And I was like He's being serious and then as time got on He blocked me but started putting stuff up So I couldn't respond and then I was like Yeah he genuinely has got hate of him If I ever see till It's off I wouldn't spit on him if he was on final I was like You need to calm down You're in your feelings too much But it offended him what can I do That's his problem, that's not my problem If you get offended by something I say That's your problem I couldn't really give a fuck The funny thing is I was on Twitter last week And My management company MTK and they were like That and we've had thousands of complaints About you're on Twitter You fucking offended the transgender So there was a transgender girl Last week on Twitter And there was two posts And some guy said What have I called you a tranny And she's put it up on that But the post on the left he was talking about Like a suicide thing on that And I replied to be fair He's not wrong I couldn't give a fuck And that was it The rainbow brigade I just swam I was like Even if I said to be fair He's not wrong Has that been racist or homophobic I couldn't give a fuck If you've got a dick That's what I'm saying That's what I'm saying If people are getting offended That's your fucking problem Things that you can never cross line Racism is wrong Being a homophobe is wrong Them stuff are wrong things You probably are a piece of shit of a person I'm not homophobic, I'm not racist I'm just on the line I stay shit up and if you get offended By a post I put up about you I was telling you about the fear That's your problem man I'm just having fun I'm not trying to be serious I'm just laughing at myself That's your fucking problem So when you started moving through the ranks at the UFC Your first fight was three weeks Just a three week call Three weeks before the first fight at the UFC The Brazilian And then you took him out straight away So when I was in Brazil So before I got the call I had fought three weeks before my UFC debut With a guy called Midnight I fought in the south of Brazil I won a title there I knocked him out in the fourth round When I got the call I was sat with my wrestling coach In his house We were smoking a bit of weed He used to love smoking weed So I'd go round I don't fucking take any drugs in that But I'd go round to be smoking weed So we had a little smoke of weed And we were eating steak and mash Never forget him Made a steak of mash and we were just chilling No telly, no phones, nothing It's the bit of music and I get a call from Marcel Do you want to fight in three weeks And I was like, yeah, come on And he was like, you're going to fight the former number one Who was number one in Brazil And I was just like, wow My opportunity has came He was like Well, so he didn't know much you were And I was like, oh shit I was like, I'm about 93kg 93 kilos to get to 77kg It's big In seven days or eight days it was That's when the fight I got the call I said eight days before my UFC debut Sorry, I said three weeks And he just went, get on it now So Tim was big into it and he was like Darren, you need to eat this, this, this And you're just going to have to smash a big way cut the day before Wayans and thingy So after he gave me the call I went round to meet my friend's house Who was smoking weed as well He loved the weed and he was like, wow And we got a photo and we had a glass of wine To celebrate I was very tired to get to work And I was just like At that time, my daughter Had she been born, yeah Can't even remember Can't even remember my daughter's born I was on my own in the apartment And I remember just coming back And I had a big fucking gallon of water And I was like, right, this is it Went through the whole fight week Cut the weight and just absolutely demolished the kid In the second round How was that feeling for you? Because when I walked out At this point I wasn't very well known In Brazil, every single Brazilian bird And shouted things like Which means you're going to die And I was like fuck, these are hostile Then when I knocked them out No one knew I spoke flu in Portuguese A translator came into the cage And the commentator was Right, I can't remember the commentator That point was coming and he was about to like I said grab the mic And then just started reeling off Portuguese And I could see people in the crowd going What the fuck And I was going I'm half Brazilian, I've got a daughter here Don't be booing me, cos I'm fucking Brazilian And next minute the arena just erupted And when I went backstage ESPN, everyone was just crying into the video Like, you speak Portuguese And I had saved it Right up until that point Cos I remember my coach being going Make sure you're interviewing Portuguese dad I was going to do English to Portuguese English Portuguese And it was just Is that what you feel as if you had entered The MMA world? Yeah, because people were like Who's this ugly little Liverpool lad Living in Brazil And just absolutely smoked His opponents on his debut And then just spoke Portuguese Who the fuck say? And from that, fucking You move through the ranks faster 3-4 feiths And then, is it cowboy? I did go through the ranks fast But I had a year in Brazil I'm not going to say deep depression But I was really depressed because I won my first fight And then my second fight got booked For the 24th of October in Dublin Against Nicola Starbley And we were both unbeaten And that actually was top 10 fights of that year I got a bonus in everything We drew, but in the third round We were 4th for the whole third round With my shoulder, I was absolutely annihilating I got fight of the night, it was a great fight After that then, I had to go and do shoulder surgery And I had split up With my daughter's mum So 2016 in Brazil for me was like quite a dark place I was like quite I was drinking quite a lot to be honest Every day was an excuse to have a bottle of Hanichun It was crazy, I was drinking every day My shoulder was like tingy For 16 months I think it was I was just had no direction, I got fat I was I was properly on my own And I could see my money going down I was living in my friends And I was like, then I spoke to Cole And I was like, Cole, I think it's time to come back I'm like When getting away to Brazil was the escape Getting away from Brazil was the escape I'm like the person, I don't like to stay in one spot for too long That's what I'm saying to you I'd love to go back to somewhere for a period of time I feel like it had come to me And after the four years And Cole was like, I think it's time to Sort yourself out to come back So I had to go to court To set up payments for my daughter To get all my things and all Cos I had a life over there I had a house, I had a car And then same thing I booked me ticket for the 25th Christmas day again Do you think your life turns in fours then? 19 years Back to Liverpool Four years later, 23 Now you're 27, you're kind of thinking the same Yeah Maybe it's time to change again Yeah, I like change Don't get me wrong I don't think I could get it When I say change It'd have to be a change With me coach I'm just too close That relationship coach Students Every few years I like to do a change And I like to refocus I feel like you get it sometimes I feel like I, anyway speaking for myself I just get into a bit of the same thing And you forget Very repetitive Sometimes it's just got one more change Wow, do you know what I mean? It's got you as far as it has the now So it's clearly working So what was Colin thinking when you were coming back Was he worried about in case you slipped back into old habits again And got into trouble You knew that you were going to move through the gears Yeah, no I said Colin coming back So he's like speaking to me in that And I'd absolutely destroyed all my money From the last UFC fight So the bonus and everything that I'd got Which was in 2015 By the end of 2016 In Brazil that was like what 350,000 Which is like You can live like a fucking king forever I'd just absolutely destroyed it I'm like that Don't hold no value for money I should hold more but coming to the end I was like right Got no money but this tichy Sought me child out I get back to England So came back 2015 to December One of my good friends From Lifelongpal I said where are you? I said I'm at the airport He said okay He buys himself cars He said I'm going to buy a car from a guy now in London I'm going to get him to drop it off the airport for you And you can drive on So I was like okay yes so he bought An Sredge fiesta An absolute banger When it turned up it was a rust bucket It was like cluttering And the guy was like is your car mate sad I was like sad I'm back in England back to the grind Absolutely made the fiesta From London to Liverpool There was not a soul on the motorway Stopped, put 25 quid in the fiesta I think he still got the fiesta to this day Turned up at my grandad Didn't even tell me grandad was coming on You okay grandad? Oh my god Darren Went to his room He's kept that spare room for me Since he's had the house And just lied there and was like right Back to it That was it Colin looked at me and went you fat cunt Right just give me all shit He's like time to get on it now Booked me fight for May 40 May beat that top prospect Fort in September Against the guy called Boyan Vilichavitch Was like Top to be one of the top guys Destroyed him then fought cowboy So I just went fight fight fight cowboy That was in October How was it knowing at your fight cowboy At the beginning basically That mentality back then was different I didn't give no fucks for no one Or cared about anyone I remember when he got the fight It's just Darren Till This young kid coming up I'm just taking the fight whatever I'll fight anyone in town I remember just watching it thinking You just don't know what you're in for I'm a better striker than you I'm young, I'm hungry I'm going to fucking end your world This is the time now Till Then four weeks before the fight I tore my knee in sparen And it was a thursday call I want you to go home I want you to rest today Tomorrow sat the Sunday come back Monday And we'll see if I have to pull you out the fight And I was like you ain't pulling me out this fight I'm doing this fight regardless Came back on the Monday I just got on the treadmill And I remember one of the guys And he was like what are you doing I was just going to be done Sprinted on that treadmill for 50 minutes And was just like I don't give a fuck about that knee That was the same knee I actually ruptured Now in the whittaker fight I mean both my knees and he says you know I was just like nah Ain't no one stopping me from fighting cowboy Is that why you came out the traps flying then Did you try to end it as quick as you did Because you came out flying You put them on a deck a few times I just remember it Just having this I just knew I was better than him I knew he was a good striker But I knew I was a masterful striker And I could just go in there and bully him And not to take away the fact I don't think he's a proper welterweight That doesn't mean anything like If you're a man over 60 kilos Obviously we have weight in him in me Light weight and welterweight There's not a big difference I just knew I was the bigger man, the better man So I just knew I could come out the bank To be honest I need a little bit of that back I just come out the bank and tore his head off Do you miss that, Dan? Yeah, like You had There's something there in there You know, you fucking know I can see it in your eyes There's a click It's funny because My last fight was against one of the world's elite Probably the former champion And even though I lost a decision like that The fifth round he scored a take down on me Like I'm fighting these elites And I don't even feel like I got out of first gear I feel like I coasted the fight Who was that without the fans as well? That doesn't mean a thing I didn't think about that I actually liked it I think it was better There was less drama You know when you come into an arena I thought at Madison Square Garden And you're just like wow Like the bright lights and the crowd Just gets here a bit Like get in, fight, home There was no big build up Do you know what I mean? I enjoyed it I never come up with no fight music or nothing The fast track you threw The fast track you're fast, Dana Is that because the scene You potential how much money you can make for them as well Of course 100% Of the fans and how big Liverpool is with their support I just think now even the UFC They see how I am And they see the fan base I've got And the person I am They sit there at night and say We hope that until we beat this guy Cos we want him to be a champion I know they want me to be a champion I know for a fact they want me to be a champion I want me to be a champion Little things have to be done But of course the fast track you'd be lying I can't sit and go no I had the hardest fights I thought one of the best strikers In the whole of the UFC wonderboy I thought a dominant champion in Woodley I fought the best people And they gave me a fight Go for that big fight Whereas I'm being like 10 fights Then a main event Throw in a deep end straight away Because after a cowboy you got wonderboy At Liverpool At Echo Did you know that Echo was happening Your hometown I had campaigned for it for a long time And they always said it was impossible Now the reason it was impossible Was cos the toilet structure in the echo Definitely We can't do it cos of the way destruction I was like that's bullshit You can make that happen I think I had a phone call with Dana And I said Dana make UFC Liverpool happen The next day I got a call You can't tell no one They're gonna make it happen Dana's been on the phone and said whatever you have to do Make that shit happen They told me at UFC London It's happening till March May I thought he was in a higher rank And I didn't deserve it But how the fuck are you meant to get anyway If the top guys don't want to fight the lower guys That's how you get to the top fighting the better guys So I was like fuck that Get him to fight I called him out a little bit And then he accepted the fight Does that work that Calling him out does it work People go fuck him I'll show him then Do you know With me yeah Do you know with me if someone called me out that way Because I was like this cunt's not calling me out I think with a lot of fighters Sometimes the others dismiss it I called Wonder Boy out a lot And he just dismissed me And then I don't know what turned I'm gonna show this young kid what it's about But Colin is always on it When fighters call me out I'm just dead quick to reply I'm like you want some do you little cunt He's like stop giving everyone time a day Don't get me wrong I love the feud with Mike Perry But not to be disrespectful He's nowhere near close to getting a fight with me How the fuck he's not even ranked He needs to beat people first before he fights me I'm fighting the elites I've fought the best, beat the best I've been beaten by the best He's not close He's not my weight, he's not fighting the best We've just got a little tiff for Tath Fugh going on How was the wake up with the Wonder Boy Because I know you struggled with that We actually watched the wake up video before you came in Brutw I know you've had Tony Billion on that and he used to be an extreme weight because there ain't a man alive who used to cut weight like me who had the mentality for it I used to be an extreme unhealthy weight It was damaging Do you enjoy that? Not the last weight cut that I had for Maj Vidal I'm Wonder Boy My wake up was fine Listen, what the size of me I was making 77kg I was extreme weight cutting It was like 40kg 80kg Cutting it The night before waiting Cutting like 10kg To be honest I was in the business of being the best weight cuter I did enjoy it My last weight cut to 170kg was against Maj Vidal I remember going blind a few hours before waiting I remember cutting We got to the hotel and it was the night before waiting and I remember I do a 50 minute run with four layers of clothing on with all my sweet sweats the gels and that Lost weight Went in hip pads and I was still so far off and Colin was just like What the fuck are we gonna do and I was like put me back on the treadmill Colin is so brutal but even Colin was like Nah you can't, I was like get me back on the treadmill now Went back on the treadmill and at this point I was just on the treadmill and the screen was like just fuzzin and I was going wow and I was just toddling along and then I was hitting me pads still had way to go and I was like just let me go and sleep for a few hours and I'll carry on and he was like Darren I can't I said call just trust in me please and I know what I'm doing and he woke up and went on another run at this point I was just like literally I couldn't even move my body was shutting down and I was just going bland and then I had like 0.4g to go which sounds not but it's a lot at that point your body's not giving not a mô and then Colin went to sleep and I was in the room with my friend at the time and he was sleeping and he woke up and I got up put my clothes on and I thought if I woke the asde I'll lose that weight so I started walking the asde and I had just had to sit on the bench and I was just bland and I had to grab my phone half dial it and I was like calling and blandy I can't move Colin John came running along and he was like he had to hear me back to the hotel he was like and then when I was going to weigh in he was like that and looked strong and I was like that on the scales just like wow you know I can give the excuses that I got beat because of the weight cut I got beat by the better man on the night I'm a better fighter than the three guys I've lost to this is what I tell you if I didn't believe that I'd probably have quit now I know I'm better than the three people that have beat me I know that for a fact but to do a weight cut like that 24 hours before you're fighting the best people in the world is just like mentally insane how much stress is that on your team as well is close every time lot of stress on Colin my team even a lot of stress on the UFC they're putting these events on main events like I've sold out the echo Madison Square Garden I've sold out the Ulturina and I've sold them up the quickest we're talking combat sports think about that if that fight doesn't go ahead because I've collapsed through extreme weight cutting I used to do the most brutal weight cuts but again only myself to blame because 10 weeks before that I'm fucking sat there watching nachos Mexico we've had this conversation I'm not going to sit here and blame anyone and I'm going to take all my losses in life and I'm going to put them all on to me my last loss I mean my last fight I'm happy but I'm sad I should have just fucking went for it and I know they've got them out of there but you know everything that's happened inside the cage inside these losses are all down to me they ain't down to no one else that's how I think that's how I like to look at it it makes me stronger now I nearly miss weight because of me not because Colin was shoving cheeseburgers in my face because I 10 weeks before the fight was eating how I shouldn't have it I don't get me wrong at middle weight now I'm comfortable to eat what I want you know I'm not the strictest on me diet but at well to weight for me to stay at well to weight would have been 365 days a year probably just eating leaves because I was just too big for the weight I hope to make think I was How was it coming out of the echo with sweet catering absolutely popping it's one of the best entries I've ever seen it was you looked happy you looked buzzing if you see me face when I walked out to sweet carolina then you see me face when I walked out in London to two totally different people like the dad in London was just rage just full rage where there's an in Liverpool I was just like at the end of the day I was the main fucker man I was just breathing and taking and I was like wow I don't want this to end and I remember looking at Dana's face and Dana was just like listen to be inside there you've never seen nothing like it it was just full to the brim just everyone was there for me they were there for Dana or Colin or wonderboy they were there for that until and I picked the perfect song and it was just Why did you pick that song? because I loved the song and Liverpool were playing the same weekend as well and I just knew the way it had sold out I knew what type of card was going and I just knew that every single person mother, child, father fan would just be off the seats screaming at the top of the lungs the song so I don't know and it just became my song it's called that until sweet carolina it's not near diamonds because it's my song family must have been proud of you at that moment Do you know my mother, my uncle my father do you were all like this is a boy I don't feel like you take these moments in right until you retire and you look back I feel like if you've spoke to people like Bill you retire Dave because they just want to come back he's bored I love Tony man he's a great guy and you see all these fighters Mike Tyson and Roy Jones they just can't let it go they just can't let it go it's in the blood so I haven't looked back on Liverpool and really cherished the moment I haven't looked back on anything that you will when I retire and it's probably going to be the same outcome retire want to come back because not on beats fighting in individual sport not on beats walking out and having your hand raised that's like a drilling that you can't get from drugs or anything that is just a drug inside you that we're just made with and one in the fight as well that must have been a special moment to eventually get your hand raised and never have wanted to fight you at the start at the end of the day we do this to win I don't do this just to be a good sport I lost that fight but it was great I do this fucking sport not for the fucking entrances so my hand can be raised at the end and then you called out for the you wanted to be the world champion you don't fuck about with the Mike do you it's a fighter it's a bit of both I've seen a lot of a lot of fighters have got mixed thoughts and as I've been getting bigger and coming up more I just think it's we're in the entertainment business so I think the social media, the Mike the call outs, the fucking being a jack the lad funny person that is all just what people love people ultimately want to see great fights but people love the bravado that's my life I've got I actually wrote this down and a lot of times it's harder than words and I think to myself that's not necessarily true because sometimes you could fight a fighter who's probably better than you and you could just get in his head with words and then change the course of the fight because his head's completely fell off because of what you've said so all this bravado on that it just makes more for the fight it just fucking makes it all better the entertainment business lets entertain people so you've got your world title fight after that you're flying undefeated how was that experience getting in the cage with him do you know what at that time these fights were wonderful I missed Wife for Wonderboy all these fights leading up until I fought Woodley I wasn't thinking fight I was thinking weight so don't get me wrong it was great but I didn't show the Darn Tilt in that fight I just showed that Darn Tilt could make weight because I made weight for the Woodley fight and I'd pull all my stress and my energy into making weight when I didn't even put any focus on to fighting one of the best fighters in the world at that time O pressure Cymru because after I had missed weight with Wonderboy that's all people care about people didn't care about names everybody shouldn't be at wealth weight he can't make weight he given them a title fight he can't make weight the new column is worried and it was like what have you done I wasn't going to train thinking about techniques and sparring I was going to train thinking Have I lost enough weight today If I drink enough water to flush my system up that was my whole focus a mentality leading up to the Woodley fight Who was the weaker It was disgusting again I made it a lot easier easier than you did in the previous fights but Ond o'r proses, ychydig y gallwch chi'n ymwneud y 24-awr y camera, a'r proses yw'r proses, yn ymwneud, a ydych chi'n gweithio, ychydig y gallwch chi'n gweithio'n gweithio, ychydig yw'n gweithio. Mae'n ddamogon, mae'n potensiol yn ddamogon ffyrdd. ac mae'n iawn, fel dweud yw hynny, dwi'n gweld yn 10 kg yn y fawr. Dwi'n gweld yn 10 kg yn y fawr. Mae'r dweud yn fawr wedi'u gweld yn dweud gyda fawr, a dweud o'n gwneud, dwi'n ddwyf yn gwneud i gyd, a dweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud o'r ddweud. Nid yn cael ei ddweud. Yn ni'n gwybod yn ddweud o'r ffosfwyto? Dwi'n gwych i'n ddweud. I should have lost. I should have beat that guy. I am a better fighter than Tarran Woodley. I am a better fighter than George Mazwell. And I am a better fighter than Robert Bitterbough. That was my first loss in MMA on the biggest stage possible. I was just like, I was so close in touch then distance for that title. But when I sit here now, I'm like fucking so glad and happy that I did lose. And I have lost and I've had fans and I've had people turn against me. And he's not going to be a champion and all that. I've absolutely loved and cherished every moment of it. Yeah, you embraced that. You're still young man. 27, this was all one. You're 25. 24, 25, doing all this. I've had all this experience. All this, I say troubles. I've had these losses, these troubles inside, outside the cage. I just don't even feel like I'm hitting me prime. I feel like I'm learning so much day to day in my gym. I think I've got three more years to hit me prime. They say in MMA that you hit your prime in your 30s. I've got three more years of learning, getting better. I've got fucking eight more years to be a world champion. Yeah, you'll do that with them too. I'm going to do it in too. Yeah, I believe so. But as I say to you, you've got to be held accountable and take in account every moment you're doing day to day. Do you think you're maturing more? I'd like to think so. Check your social media. I mean, it would be dare but debatable. I love social media. Don't make me wrong. It's great. But as I said to you, you should take it with a pinch of salt. On social media, I'm the most immature man going. But in life, I don't know if I can sit and say I am mature. Because just the other night, I was doing donuts and wheelies on my quad. So I'm immature. You say that, but I don't know. You must be, though, because you're speaking about it. You're identifying these things now where you're opening up and going, you know what? Yeah, I could be doing this better. I could be doing that better. That's when you will make the changes. You don't need to be done. Look how far you've already come. Yeah. It's hard. You've just, for me, I'm very, like, I'm very in me head a lot. I'm quite crazy. I need to just, I'm 100% or nothing. So as I say to these little moves away, why I like them is because then it just gives me to be 100%. In my head, I'm sort of, if I'm given 10% to, let's say, my business and then 10% to my friends in my own head, I'm thinking, oh, I'm not giving enough. So just go like that. Whereas I just want to be not, like, waking up. And it's all about the gym revolves around gym. I don't want to be doing these meetings about me house and everything. I don't really give a fuck about them. But then these take over your life because this is everyday life. I'm in my own head so much. Whereas I just want to be waking up and just going to the gym 100%. 100%. Fuck, these are the things. Yeah. How was it? You had a fight book for the 5th of December. And that's the first fight you've ever pulled out of. How was that experience? You know what? When we talk about maturity, I think this was the first time I'd matured on a level. On a level in fighting because I've got my, both my knees are destroyed. My whole body is shattered. I've never been 100% in a fight. But I've only just come off this injury after the last fight with Robert when I tore my MCL. And I said to Carl straight away, right, my knee will be okay in a few weeks, you can book a fight. He's like, okay, do you want you to fight in December, main event against Jack? And he's like, you know if you beat Jack, you're getting that title shot. And I was like, I know, I know. And then as a gradually grew, of course, with the fight, Carl's just like, your knee's not looking good, is it? I was doing everything. I was wrestling fam, but he was like, one little smudge in the fight, it's going to go. So I was like, okay, pull me up, Carl. I was like, give me more time to get stronger, better, healthier, fitter. And next year we go again. And I don't like to say this next year is going to be my year. I hate stuff like that. But I've actually turned out and said to Carl, I can't wait for next year. I'm looking forward to what's to come. Not in life, just in fighting next year for me. Who's on the radar for you? Right now, do you know, right now I haven't even looked at anyone. I just want to get better. And next year I say, right, go for that. But right now I just want to cure myself. Mentally, physically? I think physically, physically my body is going to be broken when I retire anyway. Mentally, it's 90% mental. What's your plans for the future then? I just want to be a world champion. You will be? I just want to be a world champion. I don't want to be anyone else. I just want to be a world champion. I'm going to have to do whatever it takes to be a world champion. What do you think needs to change to get you that extra inch? I think that that until now just needs to be a little bit more disciplined than in certain areas. Maybe let's say, not so, not big things. It's just, as I said to you, I think one distraction is a big thing for me. And just other small tweaks inside the gym and outside. But just 100% devoted to what I'm saying. If I want to be a world champion, I've got to be 100% devoted to it. And right now I'm not. But you will be. You're talking about it. You can see it's coming again. Where you're just going to switch that fucking go right. It's game time again. I hope so. I hope that I'm sitting to you in five years time with me three belts. And not in five years time saying, ah, I nearly got there, James. No, not by having you on. If you've not getting the belts, may as well get your finger out. But what code is to identify it as well? That could potentially happen in five years time. It could be one of them. You know, these guys you see in pubs. Oh, I could have been like that. I was good. I was good. That can happen to any of us. You can't just, I can't just sit back on. I know I'm doing everything possible. Everything's fine. Everything's hunky and dory. I need to identify that there's little things that need to be tweaked to get there and not to be the guy standing on the bar going. Could have been me that. It could have been a kind of tender, yeah. You know what I mean? How's your relationship with Dana now? It's okay. Listen. I don't speak badly about Dana. If I've ever got a problem with Dana, I'll message him or ring him. I've got his phone number. But I know without Dana saying it, he wants me to be a champion. They had the first British champion, sorry, English champion in Mike Bishbing. They've had Connor, the Irish champion. But I know they want me to be the next English champion. I know they do. It's because of the backing that Liverpool give you. I don't mean they know they're going to fucking follow anyway. Do you know I'll be totally honest with you yet? The whole of the UK, you're massive on Scotland as well. You're fucking set for Green Oak. When I've been to places like Scotland and little places in England, little villages, people love me. They're like, wow, Darren. You know what, it's mad they love, I guess. But that's everywhere as well. When I've been in America a lot of times and places in Europe, people do show me a lot of love. They are big fans of me. So I know that UFC identified that and I know that as soon as Darren is a world champion, he's going to go. Just another question, Brian. I know you're good friends with Terry, who was in a UFC. He was a great fighter, tough as fuck. How was that relationship? Because I know you've got a lot of respect for Terry. Terry's since day one, since I got into him, he's just been my biggest idol. I've seen what he was capable of in the gym and what he'd done in his fights. I think with Terry, what happened, Terry had a vicious knockout with Edd's and Barbara. I think from that, he's told me himself. It's funny because I like to choose my words carefully with Terry so he doesn't fuck me up. He's one guy you could, but I think he just lost a love. He said to me, the love wasn't there. I wasn't getting up in the morning for my runs. I wasn't coming to gym and giving it my all. He said, I sort of realised that was the time to step back. I say to him nowadays, I say, even if you came back to training, you could probably still be a champion because I've seen it and he's like, I know what the love's not there. For me, that proper hate me deep down because I know what Terry, even though he achieved amazing, great things anyway, I know what he could have been. I could probably even take inspiration from that. Kei coon a genio sef? I've got to carry the torch for Terry and Colin to be that world champion, the best world champion from Riverpool, from team Carbon. You will be. When you got the jail in Tenerife, how long you in for? Four days. I'll tell you what mate, I'll probably never go to jail. Don't fuck about over there. Listen, I'm one of these people. I actually, I've got a really good friend who's in jail now and he rings me every weekend. He just rings me as I said this year. He just talks about life. I always say to him, I say, listen mate, because he goes to me, he goes, you're mentally strong. I'm like, yeah, but I'm not mentally strong for them jails because I'm like, I'm never going to jail. The guys got us. So the police turned up in the street, the taxi was all the way up the street and the first thing they said, that until, and I was like, yeah, yeah, but I haven't done that on ten of them. Get on the ground now and I was like, well, I haven't done it and cuff me, sent me four mates to the cells, meet the roughest. I had to have a shit in the corner one of the cells because they wouldn't let me go to the toilet. So my mate who was in the cell with me was like, Darren, get rid of that shit, it fucking stinks. It's called flies. I was like, there's nowhere else to put it. They wouldn't let me go for a shit. But what's hilarious about that story is when they put us in the cells, the first night, one of the guards, he was like, one of the, must have been a lieutenant when I come to see me. He was like, Darren, I'm a big fan. He was like, do you need anything? I was like, a little bit of food. There'd be a nice little go on my phone. He was like, I'll sort it, no worries. So he comes back like, he went, is that your good mate as well? And my mate looked at me and said, say, yeah, I'm fucking hungry as well. Comes back, big fucking breast of chicken, rice, avocado, salad and a smoothie. And he went, go and sit in the hall near you and I'll give you your phones. And I was like, fuck, this is some guy this. So we were eating, I was on the phone and no one knew about it. But my girlfriend had texted me, she's like, where are you having it from? I was like, listen, I'm in jail. I've been nicked. I'll be out in a few days. And then I couldn't see her reply because I had to get off my phone. We was just in there for four days, mate. It was the grimest thing ever. We were eating like these stale crackers every day. It was grim. That chicken breast was the best thing about it. Every day was fucking horrible. And then we got out and the judge just didn't fuck about. He was just like, you cheeky bastard. You come in here, you think you can fucking do this, do that. He was like, give me a passport, €15,000 to leave the fucking island. My friends didn't have any money. So I just have to pay the €15,000. We tried to go round to sleeping hotels when we got out until the money had cleared, the international money. Every hotel had been sent to fax from the police station. Don't let these guys stay here. So we were going in and they were like, can't. We ended up having to stay in this little apartment. And at that point, the daily mail, the daily start, the mirror, the echo, it just came out. And I was just getting phone calls and I was just like, airplane mode. Bwmph, bwmph. Fuck that shit. Did someone steal a taxi? Sorry? Did someone steal a taxi? Yeah, well, I was laughing because I'm thinking, man, if that was me, I'd been the fucking taxi left-on, man. I'll tell you the God's honest truth about this story. I won't hold nothing back. I actually wasn't meant to go on this trip. They were going for one of our mates' birthday to Tenerife and they told me about it. And I went and said to Cole, I said, Cole, I'm all right to miss a few days of training and I'm going to go to Tenerife. Cole's one of them, he's very silent on what he says, but he's got a tone to him and he went, listen, I don't think it's a good idea, son, cos you're a bit, you're not all there, but okay, cos as I said, I'm 100%. I won't just go out and drink five pints. I'll go out and drink 100 pints and steal taxis. That's what I do, that's my thing. But I said, okay, Cole's son. I said, I'll be good. So we got there the first night. These guys have booked themselves a five-star hotel. I just jumped on the holiday. So got there, five-star hotel. Got in there doing fucking lovely lavish. Right, let's get out there. So you've went out to, like, the strip in Tenerife. Everyone knew me. Yes, that and buying me shots. So that was just fucking going insane. Ended up in this proper exclusive bar. We were just going mental. Ended up in McDonald's, blah, blah, blah. Got a taxi back to the hotel. Now, I've done this a few times before this incident. So I must have a thing for it. As we meet to walk and do the hallway, I've grabbed the fire extinguisher and just went... Just sprayed them. Next minute, one of them, I've grabbed the fire extinguisher. We went in the room. And do you know what? I'm actually quite embarrassed talking about this. It's funny, but it's actually a passion that doesn't it? We've destroyed the room with throwing matches off the balcony. Then some guy, I think my friend has actually got a video, some guy at the bottom started shouting. I've got a tech chair through it off the balcony. And he's like... He's just like, what, gone back in? We've just gone mental. We've grabbed the suitcases before the hotel staff could come. We've went out the fire exit. We've gone up this hill. We've went to another hotel. We've rang a taxi to the hotel. As this taxi has come, I've sat in the back of the taxi. We're all loading our suitcases into the back. One of my friends has jumped in while he thought it was the passion to sad, but it was the driver's side over there to the sad. And I went, what are you doing? He went, fucking thought it was the palsy side. He went, fuck it anyway. And I went, no lad! And I'm in the back going, stop it! I'm going, drive it back now, we'll be okay. And he's like, nah, fuck that. He went on a whole trip around the island. He was doing donuts and skids. And I'm in the back going, client. I'm going, stop the taxi please! Lad, we're going to get fucked. He skidded the taxi, bombed it out. So I ran the other way. I thought I need to get away from him. Fuck that. And I've sat by this car. And I thought I was going to sit here. I'm not going to act like I'm running away or anything. I've sat here. Then he's come running back. Go get away from me lad, go somewhere else. He saw the tension next minute. These bizzies have just all pulled up. And just grabbed us. They just knew straight away. And they were just like, fuck that. Have the guns out now? They had the guns out. They all knew who I was. They must have been like, they were big fans. And that, but any ex used to arrest me. They were going to arrest me. And that was it. And then I didn't really come out to anyone. I didn't steal a taxi or anything. It was just basically that until Steele's taxi. You have to go with that headline. I can't come out and say, I didn't steal a taxi. Even though it didn't. I was just taking your friend on. I was there on it. That's it. I'll cast him. Say you don't know. Listen, I took that up for him. I got a few fucking beatings off Colin. Got a shout at that. But that was it. What did the UFC not say? They just shake their heads. Do you know what mate? It's a tough one with the UFC. Because with boxing it's very different. I remember Billy Joe last locked hand on that video. Saying if your woman gives you shit. Yeah, punching the bag. Larius. But the British boxing board of control. The band them. I don't know what he's on to. He took his licence or anything. I told the video it was hilarious. He was just joking clearly. But okay. We're in the era of people getting offended. People getting offended. The UFC is totally different. I think obviously as we spoke of it. They're not fucking... They're not bothered. That more publicity for them. Yeah. I remember the boss. Not Dana. The boss boss. I'm texting me. He's like any support you need. I'm right here. And I'm like. Fucking hell. Obviously you can't take the piss. If you do something severe. They've got to cut you and let you go blah blah blah. But they were just willing to support me. Is that not worse for you? Knowing that you've kind of got the backing. No matter what you do. Yeah. Don't worry tonight. I'm going on stealing some taxes. If anybody was on my menu. You'd be a dangerous combo. But they were supportive. Which I have to fucking be. I think in there is the problem. Listen. He hasn't killed no one. He hasn't beaten no one up. He hasn't blah blah blah. We'll support him in this. Obviously there's a line. You do not cross it. Of course. Same on social media. There's always that invisible line. Don't cross it. Play with it. You're playing with it a lot. I play with it. But don't cross it. Like last week could have been a bad one. You know. If I actually did offend a transgender woman man. Whatever. But I didn't. But I do. I play with that line. Is that why you delete your apps a lot? No. I have me two apps on my phone. I have Twitter and I have Instagram. Now I'm quite active on my Instagram. I have to be for me. Promote my businesses. I've got a few sponsors that support me. But at the same time I just love having a fucking laugh. I love post a lot of bullshit. But my accounts been deleted a few times now. So I don't know whether it's because of reports. Of like memes or videos or whatever. But that's been deleted. But sometimes what I like to do is just turn the apps off my phone. Like the Twitter app what I'll do is I'll have a big rant on Twitter. But then I'll delete it off my phone because I don't want to be sat there. Especially with Twitter. It can be such a draining thing with all these opinions. You can really get dragged into it. Especially a lot of negative comments. Can you imagine as I told you about moderation every day. If people were just saying that until you're just a piece of shit. I'd probably start thinking I actually am a piece of shit. So I think it's good to have moderation. Can I affect you? Your businesses will touch on that before we finish up brother. Giving my plug your watches. Where can people get them? Off my... There's a separate Instagram called the Mavi. It's called the link there. We link the links in the description. You're boozing. How can you talk about that? Are you just going through some sort of legal problem? No yet. The roadhog is basically my little baby. We all know where it's come from. To be honest it's absolutely smashed it. After the Whittaker fight Colin, who I involve in every one of my businesses. And one of the guys who had a photographer for me. They were just begging me to be like darren. Make a brand out of this. Everyone wants a t-shirt. They were like do me. And I just went okay. We set the company up. But I've always wanted to be quite different. I said what we're going to do. We're not going to release a t-shirt. So people can buy it whenever next year in five years time. I said we're going to make everything we do on this roadhog a limited edition. I said so we're going to release a t-shirt. It's going to be only for seven days. And that t-shirt ain't never coming back. Maybe when we do Christmas fillers and all that we'll bring it back. But everything's going to be a limited edition. So when I started doing that. For everything I brought out. T-shirts, lighters and that. I done a promo. Add promo video with it. So I started doing promo videos. Releasing hats, t-shirts, lighters. Then everyone was coming to the idea with me. Like darren. Your name, your brand is called Roadhog. What does that mean? Roadhog on someone's bed. Roadhog on your bed. No condom. So when do people mostly have sex? They're like after the night out. After they've been on the beers. I'm like oh yeah. Call them. We need to release a beer. And I was like good idea. Then through a friend of a friend a brewery got in touch. I'm like we want to make Roadhog beer. So they come to me. They were like we're going to make Roadhog beer. Blah blah blah. This price is all out. Whatever. I made one mistake. My beer is the price when we released it. It was too high. But that was because of the making and the brewery. And people involved. That was my one mistake. I say this on camera now. I'm actually working hard to change that around. I want the beer in every bar place all over the world. I've had people from Brazil, from Spain, Dubai. I've had restaurants in town. People wanting to stock it. So I know that this Roadhog, potentially for me, is going to be in five years time. A massive mass of air. A prop or two kind of coin on the Gregorisk. Definitely. And it's a ffumbra on people buying to it. But what's recently happened is G-Star or I've sent a cease and desist letter. I don't even know what. I'm not the cleverest. They sent the letter and I was just like. So I said can you please read that. Basically they want us to stop trading. They've basically said that. They own the trademark for raw, which is RAW. And we're basically trading and it's affecting whatever that means. So they've sent this letter. I think last week or the week before. And when I've looked into it with my guys, they've sued Nike, H&M. They've sued so many people. And they're very brutal with it. So right now is the process of seeing where they will go. Change the name maybe. Change the name. Speak to them. Maybe they want to get involved. Maybe they got in touch because they loved the brand. But that tells me a few things. That tells me that they feel threatened. And that tells me that this brand, even it's been going a few months, has gathered so much momentum. Because everyone I speak now, the first thing they say to me, don't talk about finding a scene. Rodog's smashing it. And I'm like, it actually is. We've done very well. It's absolutely smashing it. Fair play, brother. I hope I get past that. Yeah, fair play for all the businesses. For your achievements so far at the age of 27, it's phenomenal. You should be proud of yourself. I am. For how far you've come from a lot of people to the inspiration of what you're doing. A lot of people will be looking up to you. And I know all your stuff you do on social media is all about the fun in the staff. But you're still only 27, mate, when I was your age. Fuck me, man. I was... I would get through off to YouTube, mate. If I was to tell you this shit that I'd done, mate. But for coming on today, brother, and telling your stories, thank you. I very much appreciate it. It's phenomenal. Shout out to Tony Marell and Craigie Boy at the Only Fools Bar for setting this up as well. I really appreciate it. And good luck for the future. We're all tight on the next 18 months. I look forward to seeing you. God bless you, brother. Check out more of my podcasts on the right. And be sure to like, share and comment your thoughts on this week's podcast. Thank you.