 Hey folks, Johnny here, and I'm joined by Ronnie as you'll have seen over the last few weeks We've been talking Dungeon Saga origins and we've been asking for your questions Lots of people very hyped very excited about this and rightly so so you should crack right in So first up Ron Purvis has asked Curious as to what changes there are if any as opposed to the original Dungeon Saga There's also ties in with Garif's Garif Humphrey's question. If I already own Dungeon Saga, what's in it for me? Okay, good question. Thanks guys. So I think the important thing here is what what we've done is we've streamlined the boring bits and kept all the things that made Dungeon Saga fantastic and What we've created is a whole new story arc And so if you love the original you're going to doubly love this because the fiddly bits of setting up are now much easier But the gameplay the excitement the drama the story the narrative that's all there in spades In fact way better than the first time I think because we've learned how to tell stories better Absolutely. So I think you've got everything you had in the first a Whole new story arc a hundred hours of gameplay and a nice story that builds starts with the undead Of course, it does but it goes on to goblins. It goes on to a pistol towards it goes on to So you've got that whole story and we've set it as a prequel so it doesn't do in any way And it's not diminutive to the original Here you are go and play the game again go and enjoy the game Go and enjoy the story arc and away you go and enjoy the experience don't you saw them all over again Definitely. Yeah, that ties in nicer of the the next question Christopher Goff is is this a one-off or is it a whole new product line? right Another good question, and I think this is what it's a totally new product line In as much as we did not feel comfortable telling people to go out and buy Dungeons Saga the Dwarf Kings quest anymore Because well that we're all a bit frustrated with bending miniatures nine years ago These days it's just not acceptable. I mean, we're having orders coming in from you know, France and Germany and the UK that wants It us to reprint it and the kind of which each year when let's just reprint you've got other things Actually, no, we can do better plastics. We can do better games. We can do better set up We can do this much better. And so this is very much the starting point of the whole new Dungeons Saga All we're trying to do is take the beautiful diamond that was Dungeons Saga one Flawed as it was kind of your rough diamond this one. We're now able to polish the diamond So it's perfect and then build forward from it. Yeah, so everything that you had with Dungeons Saga We're still valid that's journey that you and your mates did is still part of the journey when we're honoring that by not Rewriting it by not going there But by starting with your same heroes So those that have never done it can experience it all the way through those that have here's a rogue one You know, here's an order. I can prequel that hooks into that thing that we love But boy, oh boy, our budget is better. Our engineering is better Everything's better. So it's gonna be a really super cool. And then we'll come back later and start doing the Super-deep character development more adventures and more stories But now built with beautiful plastics more streamlined setup and and minimum game mechanics. Absolutely. Yeah so again Ties it nice to the next follow-on question is Half of an hysteria said the one thing that put him off the first edition was the bendy miniatures. Have these been upgraded? 100% and I think if you want to go back and play Dungeons Saga and you bought the legendary edition all the minis You can go and sub in because every adventure has to start playing undead because I wouldn't it but This journey is the miniatures are now the engineering everything the way we sculpted go look at how boy go look at the walking dead Beautiful fantastic sculpts one piece, but paintable playable. Yes. Yes. Yes everything about this game is is Ten years better than it was. Yeah, it's just gone on leaps and bounds, doesn't it? From all we've learned with star saga with so on seeing the miniatures in the In the office. They're just absolutely stunning. Aren't they you and you'll be all saying them We're not sharing too much today We're answering the questions is a bit of a dry Q&A because I think we've got three or four weeks now coming up I've just fantastic pretty beautiful content But I think we owe it to everybody that had backed or bought Dungeons Saga The first one to answer these questions and that's what we're trying to do Yeah, not when I'm too pretty today, but keep watching this space is going to get very very good The the legend is going to be Unbelievably good value. I will say that it's going to be less than half price what it will be a retail We just need help of course. This is the retail edition. That'll be 50 quid 60 quid and We can of course release that but a we want to run the campaign We also want to not just release that we want the goblin expansion the twilight can expansion them But this will draw for expansion plus big monsters plus some stretch girls plus some extra heroes and So if you're in any way doubting just pick it up because I think your future self will thank your past self And Adam Edgar has asked is this the one Ronnie was said was great family game slash kid friendly Yes, yes Yeah, this is it. This is this is and it's a great starting point That's kind of how we prequeled rather than sequeled because we wanted to go back and say if you're just starting Start here. We wanted to be the monopoly of Well, not monopoly because the rubbish game, but you know what I mean. We wanted to be the Starting point of your dungeon thing journeys. This is where you first get a hold of your niece nephews kids partners better hearths Game club that's just started doing board games and wanted to go into first dungeon crawler This is the one. Yeah, it's got the mechanics. It's got the joy with streamline the setup and the bits that you know When I played with my kids, they were bored waiting me to set up dungeon saga I'd kind of lost them by the time I'd even got halfway through setup Yeah, and that's the big change in that respect is is the setup time is just correct. There you go It's just you go all the tactics are still there. I think we've seen some about that. You still got back ranks Yeah, yes, don't get attacked in the rear. It's going to hurt more. Um, it's all there, but the The streamlining of the of the of the gaming process to get onto the gaming table quicker to think, you know what's Tuesday night Let's play that. So yeah, this is it. This is your getting started. But There's there's a hundred hours of gameplay in here. So plenty plenty plenty of you know, if you work it out Price per hour. It's going to be cheaper than a coffee And Steve hill drew don't know who he is Has asked how young do you think the kids need to be to enjoy this game? So I think we've said 10 plus haven't we? Yeah, and I think if you're prepared to do a bit of the if you if you're enjoying time with the kids Rolling dice gets fun from, you know 9 and 10 But they won't quite get all of the admin every kid's different But I think it's family time. There is nothing in here that that can't be good fun Yeah, and and on that note and talking of kids This is going to be under everyone's christmas tree, isn't it that is the plan? Yeah, absolutely We are going to we've got the tools literally all sculpted ready to go We've got everything edited all the missions written the whole thing's done And we're going to take quite a grown-up approach to the whole Kickstarter There there's going to be one stretch goal, which we'll talk about separately. Otherwise, just with daily unlocks You're all going to get everything we can do. We know what we want to do with it We've got the legendary box. It looks gorgeous. We want you to have it all We want to say thank you. Please. We just need a print run and help with the tooling which our our goal will allow us to do and So if you jump on board every day, maybe the weekends will just be one because weekends are slow, but each day There'll be a daily unlock depending on the second needs to be And we're going to literally the said today we've got printing We're going to press the button on the tooling and away we go and off we go. It's just the So In October Shipping out November under Christmas trees in December. So Christmas presents so you can put it under the Christmas budget and say for the first time to the The boss I've sorted Christmas out. I've sorted it in March rather than, you know, December 24th All normal people do a Christmas shot And and then we have Kevin and shanard and trudging pilgrim both asked about Translations French German, etc. Yeah So I think I just mentioned actually we're going to have a threshold for doing the Edition in the language we can track it all now. I think somewhere 500 or 750 copies when we've got that many backers That will trigger it off in that language um Super easy it's just there it's going to be a counter. So please if you're watching we've still got four five weeks We think three four five weeks before we go live So do start sharing do start building that audience up if you get the numbers we will do it and we'll also be working with our Distribution partners. We know that that's going to go into france spain and germany It's the extra that we want to get translated and give to you guys But they may will buy some of those legend editions too and that they will count So if we're going for 750 and they buy 250 we just need 500 french backers spanish backers german backers And we've got the infrastructure. We've done kings of war now armada in french jim spanish um So yes, please do jump on board And then I think the one stretch goal Which we've just not defined that the exact number will be about the solo play and the co-op play Which is the ai you're taking the the the uh overlord which actually is kind of one of the fun roles and the way you can GM at all And but we're going to make that so if you want to play solo that is a stretch goal That will be something we'll have to build it's not in the legendary pack and that'll be one Maybe one or maybe one of two stretch goals And whatever the level is once we've been able to do our programs Yep, that's that's one of the questions quite a few people have asked is will it be solo will it be co-op and yeah, so if if there is the uh The call for it out there then we will build it Yeah, it'll be there just just join on and get it and it's one of those things we want to do it properly I think in previous campaigns we said yes to everything And that sometimes means that some of the things were not to the standard that we wanted and also the timings You know we're rushing it Um, you know we've done 22 kick starters now and I'd like to think between hellboy and And some of the later ones we've got quite a lot of them right, but this was one of the early big ones Is a big one for us and we just got a bit caught out and this time we're going to make sure it's crystal clear This is when we translate This is when we do solo play otherwise you're going to get everything that's in that box Oh, not that box not that box big box that box. Yeah. Yeah, just big people box of joy yeah, so um Sam lofty had asked Will it eventually go to retailers or kickstart is it just kickstart that explains that doesn't it? Yeah, that's the retail version. That's going to be there 50 60 quid 50 60 70 dollars That's the retail version That's what people want to get started with and then they add the expansions on which we can go through They'll take a year two years three years to get through those You can't really sell 200 pound boxes at retail and that's what it needs to be if it goes through all of the distribution But because this is going from us directly to you all we need is a print run and help with the tooling And that and that's worth mentioning when you say 200 pound That's that's of stuff that you will get in this legendary edition, but it won't be that will it? Oh, no, no less than half price. Yeah, it's going to be under under a grid absolutely certain We're just finalizing the Tax into europe and some of those things and it's just finalize those things, but this is going to be Yeah A no-brainer price a ludicrous price for an awful lot of 100 minutes I think you know 1890 100 minutes hours and hours of gameplay 100 hours of gameplay 100 whichever way you go to um, you know A pound of meaning a pound an hour. Yeah wow Um sam lofty off to us that sam lofty also asked will the miniatures be one piece Yes, and that's simply to get them to get them on the gaming table as quick as pos We did look at should we do them in kind of push fit hard plastic, but it Quadruples the time from opening box to gameplay and if you look at our hellboy miniatures The beautiful board game pieces and that's something that these are still miniatures They're absolutely miniatures when you see the barbarian with his axe and the dwarf Standing there. They're just they've got character. They've got swagger and you know that you know when you open the monopoly set I want to be the top part. I want to be in the boat. I want to be the boot doesn't mean anything And we tried to capture. We know that that's an urge. I want to play the barbarian But now not only if you've got a beautiful fantastic miniature He plays like a barbarian his feats of barbarian type feats chopping everybody up And there's dwarf can be dwarven. So you really get a bond with your character Which we have in monopoly you're going to have times 10 when you play through this and everyone did the first time you played it Excellent. Yeah Um, yeah, we've already touched on on solo play. So mark, that's uh, that's your Sorry, I jumped ahead on that one. I know it's all right. I didn't know I'm sorry mark So so excited to tell you all about what we've got coming. Um and then Someone's also asked will the Miniatures be available separately or is this just Kickstarter? I guess that leads on to the sort of the FOMO of the Kickstarter is that there's never going to be a better time to jump on This is yeah, just um, I mean, will they be? Yes, there'll be 25 pounds or 20 pounds Whatever they are in our dungeon adventure sets and you'll be able to add them a year two years from now Whenever they come out and much like we did the green range figures but You know, you're going to get the hundred figures and you'll be paying 20 quid for 10 of 20 So um, you'll be paying 200 quid for the figures So they will be available if you want to upgrade them, of course they're there and if you want to wait, no problem But I wouldn't I think you'd be crazy because I think the minis are beautiful It's going to be turned around super quick. You've got 100 hours of gameplay. You've got the Kickstarter exclusives You're going to have all the unlocks It's going to be packaged together. I think one of the things that Matt and the guys do really well now Everything's in a tray. You know, think about the walking dead stuff if you think about the help boys It's in a tray with a top and it covers and it comes out and it's kind of sits on your klax and it's uh It's something beautiful, you know, and we talked about doing the bookcases again And actually, you know what the compromise is in the short term for this product versus the joy of just that tray and tray the helvoid box set um That that's why we're going down that route doesn't come out you paint it you put it all away again There'll be little sections for everything to go in So it's just replayability and I think that's what it's one of the critical things I know a lot of a lot of my friends when it comes to board games They've been able to put the miniatures in the trays and have a section for each individual counters that you've all punched out and stuff That in itself is is an enjoyment part of the joy the tray just comes out and it's all there and nice and tidy And you know, this is something you're going to play and play and there's going to be like a you know TV series and away you go The nice thing is the the adventure builds up So you start with the undead because everyone has to and we wanted that in the in the retail version You go on to goblins and that is the second adventure You do go so then you can play third and fourth and in whichever order you want You can either go to missiles or you can go twilight kins Which is your own choice and then you play those and then there's some end boss bodies that start appearing later on But they come out later and some of those have some goblins in them and so and so forth and dead So as it builds it builds out your story, but there's choices about which way you play it And before before going on to the final bit so that story that narrative that we think was Really what paid the dungeon the saga bit of dungeon saga. So good That's still yeah very very exciting. It is we really are bumped to get this going and um, yeah Started again started properly Excellent We'll have plenty more q&a's between now and launch because I'm sure there's lots more questions as everyone's getting really excited about this new launch Yeah, I don't think you know, we'll get the Matting to talk about rules and show off what's going on what we streamline. I mean It's mostly admin. It's mostly the setup And we've found clever ways of doing the same thing after 10 years of game building. So um All there lots was more to come and you know, like I said, we've not really too many prettys Because we're gonna keep revealing those over the coming weeks. So keep watching everyone That's ronnie saying he's not going to give spoilers sir Quite a change We've had plenty already And that's it for today guys. Thank you very much and we'll see you again shortly. Thanks for watching. Bye. Bye