 The order meeting now. Oh, thanks. Go for it. I just started it. Sorry. Now we're recorded. I don't have my regular. Yeah, I have it. Hold on. Words. So I keep it up on. Here language for remote meetings. All right. It says pursuant to the chapter. 20 of the acts of 2021 extended by chapter 22. This meeting shall be conducted via remote mains members of the public. You wish to access the meeting may do so via zoom. Or by phone and no in-person tenants of. Members of the public will be permitted, but every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access the proceedings in real time. So. And we have nobody waiting. I don't think. All right. So we should say that. So this is called to order. And we have. Guilford. Moring, Kim Tremblay, Joe. Fat. Taurus. So Tracy, Zafian and Stefan. Sejek. Are in attendance. And that is for. Amber. Particularly. Yes. And so. This meeting is called to order. And we now are in the public comment. Period. But since we have no. Public joining us at the moment. We'll go over that. We'll go to the next agenda item, which is updates on. Safe routes to school. Oh, sure. Okay. So I didn't know if Chris. Lunchtime will be here and maybe. We just got an email from her. What she said. And she said she has a ZBA. So meeting. So she'll, she'll, she's going to miss. Oh, I see. For her, like. For her. Mental property. Okay. Okay. So, so we go. So, um, So in terms of safe routes to school. So, um, Chris and I Chris lunchtime and I had a great meeting last week with Deb. Westmoreland. And Tony. I mean, Tori Halloran, who is the safe routes to school coordinator for the four western mass counties. And we are planning to have. We're talking about all the different things with safe routes to school. And we are planning to do. Participate in the. Districts back to school event that they have the day before school starts. Which is. School is starting this year on August 30th. So that event will be on August 29th. It's scheduled, I think for five 30. Or no, maybe it's five. And we'll be tabling there. No, it's at five, five to six 30. And, um, I had reached out to, to. Math bikes. And they offered to provide lights. And, um, and some information about that acts to reduce traffic fatalities. Um, And we. And we're just going to try to kick it off. And also, um, you know, for more people who are interested, get more people to like sign our sign and sheet and say they want to be on the mailing list. So what. Chris did recently is she reached out to anybody who had signed. So the district did a survey. At the end of the 2022 school year. Um, 2021 2022 school year in the spring when we were doing those. Walk audits of all the elementary schools. And then, um, They also, we also collected people. Contact info at the table and event that we had at the back to school event last August. So we have quite a few. I think we have like six or so many parents and some staff who signed up and said they're interested in finding out more. They haven't necessarily committed to volunteer. But it's a start. Um, one thing too, we talked with the district. One thing that's safe reach the school is interested in. And maybe at a future meeting, we can invite Tori Hallerman back. So she took over from that person who used to help us. Lucy. Um, Is that they really are encouraging, um, schools to implement like some curriculum and training. Particularly at the second to third grade level. Where what they tend to do is they'll go in and they'll meet with each of those. You know, second or third grade classes. And they'll do some hands-on things. Um, And so they are, what they'll do is they'll go in for the first time. And then they are also trying to train trainers. Um, at the school districts so that they can do it sustainably like year after year and things. And, um, Deb was interested in that, you know, in terms of the, you know, professional development days that's already set up. Or that the PE teachers or whosoever interested could go out, go do the training and then do it in their classes. Um, so. It's all in the formative stages. So we're going to try to make that happen. So we're going to try to make that happen. And then we're going to try to do it sustainably like year after year and things. And, um, Deb was interested in that, you know, in terms of the professional development. And so we're going to try to make that happen possibly on one formative stages, but we are. We're excited to be getting something off the ground with that. So, and I think, and we talked to, I mean, I know that. Mass bike is interested in promoting safe reach to school. And then also when we had the person come from ECAC, they were interested too. So that might be a good opportunity to loop back in and connect with them. Okay. So that's all I have any questions or anything. And I know Eve evil goal wasn't sure if she could join tonight, but she's also planning to do an event at the beginning of the school year at UMass to promote. I'm alternative modes of transportation. And work with mass bike on that too. So. Yeah, I guess I think, I think this is a really great idea because, you know, I am a lifelong. I'm a lifelong cyclist, right? And I mean, I don't know how I turned out that way other than we didn't have public transportation and it was a good way of getting around. But I also do remember very vividly. And maybe you all have similar experiences and I, I would love to hear this. But, you know, things like, like not bike radio rodeos, but like in, we had a rec service thing where, you know, summer. It was through like LSSE kind of thing where in summer camp, we would have like learn how to ride our bike and do all kinds of things and use hand signals. And I mean, this is when I was little, but it really was, it made me feel like I could do that, you know, like it really changed my mindset that way. So I, I don't know if again, it was just me, but, but that kind of stuff certainly impacted my ability to feel like I could use my bike safely anyway. So I think it's really great. No, yeah, definitely. And I mean, Kim, you had drawn the analogy before about like the fire safety program and this is a lot smaller. Like the fire safety is what they do it like every week for like a month and then they have like the, you know, big, you know, graduation ceremony. They all have certificates and everything. So this is more designed just to be, you know, like a one day thing, but it could be something that's followed up too. But I think it's still really powerful. I mean, I, I don't remember participating in any kind of bike rodeos as a kid, but I know I've helped with them and kids always get a lot out of them. I know sometimes the Amherst police department has done bike rodeos and a cracker farm. They used to do them at the after school program. Yeah. And they do it with like, and Morse Hill would provide the bikes. So there's a lot of opportunities there to promote it. It's really great. I mean, especially if it's something that happens in dim class or happens, you know, at a certain time and everyone's getting that, right? The same. Yeah. And there's another day that. So one thing that the safe route to school program they promote is that they, they have these a periodic days that they declare is like, you know, bike walk, roll the school days and they are having one in October, October 4th. So. One thing we're going to see is if. I mean, last year when we did the kickoff. Back to school, we said, we're definitely going to have some big like event for Amherst then. And we're not sure that we're going to have volunteers for that. And I mean, Kim has a middle, I mean, Chris has a middle school student. I have high school student. So we really do need parents at the elementary school to say they want to oversee something like that. But I personally have been thinking that it would be nice to do something for example, like a crocker and take advantage of that new fancy roundabout at. My village and so on. And. Say I frequent a lot of the parents groups. Yeah. Local libraries and. I don't know as someone who's currently looking like, what do I do? Cause I used to bike a lot as a kid. But how do you buy it with like a kid. When you're. Yeah. Okay. And different options. It'd be interesting to do it. I like the different libraries around here. I mean, they're pretty well, well peopled. Yeah. So what were you thinking of Joe? What would you, what kind of about would you be interested in? There's something that introduces parents to like children. Sure. And safety. And just maybe, maybe the local bike shops would be interested in. In selling, you know, all the accoutre money. Right. Which they do. Yeah. I mean, they could come to the events. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a great idea. So Jess. Laven, who is an outreach coordinator for mass bikes. And I was in communication with her about the safe. It's the school event, but. That's an interesting. That could be an interesting thing that they could do. To, you know, to promote it, to provide information. You know, maybe have a webinar someday. And they have some great webinars or something, but even just to, or even just when they're doing events to have like demos. Of it. So there's all kinds of really cool, especially from Europe. There's all kinds of different ways of carrying your kids around. It does not have to be like a bike trailer. So. Oh yeah, those. Or even one of those old school, you know, behind the seat, like the bicyclist seat. You know, you know, the old school plastic seat things. But there's a bunch where they have them now. Like we go down and the kid goes down too. Well, right. I mean, that's a great thing about a bike trailer. And the trailers. I mean, my kid used to sleep all the time. And then you also have the tag alongs, you know, that's nice too. After kid lean, you know, it can get a little crazy, but it'd be nice to have one that's like very family oriented. So I'll definitely mention that to her. But thank you. That's going to sell it to my wife. Oh, we could bike and she'll fall asleep. Oh, the trailers are huge. They fall asleep all the time. Yeah, that's helpful. So. Yeah, cool. All right. So then. Policy is the next. So the streetlight policy. And maybe go for it knows more than I do. So the council sponsors. And they were planning to present an updated version. At the last council meeting. At the end of June, but then. There were too many other items on the agenda. And there were also some comments. And so they pushed it back and. And I did give them some comments. I know Eve logo provided some extensive comments. They got some from other counselors too. So I think they are working on revising it again. So a question for us would just be. You know, whether, whether something comes back to us to review again. Or not. Which it may. I mean, I think one of the key points that both Eve and I were making is that. That the focus of the streetlights policy, the one that was proposed was really focused a lot on the dark skies and that some of the consideration of transportation safety was sort of secondary. And that. Some of the ways that they're proposing it could. Had. Could have adverse impacts. On transportation safety, particularly for vulnerable populations. And so. I mean, I think one of the key points that both Eve and I were making is that. You know, I think that's one of the key points. You know, transportation safety, particularly for vulnerable populations. And in my mind, that even includes older drivers. I mean, I tend to cite statistics about pedestrians because they're the ones. You know, who are the most vulnerable. But also a lot more car drivers are also. Killed in that. I mean, I killed it a lot more than. Or relatively more crashes. Where drivers are killed happen at night too. You know, I mean, I mean, I don't know if it relates to fatigue, but lighting is definitely a good countermeasure as is controlling speeds. So. We'll see if it comes back to us. I would encourage them to do that. So I believe it's going to be back. Probably on the. Council agenda in August. So. So, I mean, we wouldn't get it before that we wouldn't get it. Well, I guess. Yeah. I mean, we'll have to see what our next meeting is. Maybe two, I can get pushed to September. I think the council is meeting once or twice in August. And then they'll have their September meetings. But I think it can be challenging though, when changes are made, you know, after they get feedback, they make changes. But then I've noticed just like the way some of it works, like the next item was about this, you know, snow and ice removal is that like that went through. Like, you know, the committee before it went to the council, like until every, like every little piece of it had been reviewed. And everybody had agreed on the language. And then when it went to the council, the council just voted to approve it. Whereas if in response to comments, the sponsors are continuing to make changes. And those changes aren't vetted before it goes to the full council, then it gets to the full council and some of the councilors say, but wait a minute. I mean, they're seeing the changes like for the first time or whatever. And so it can be more. It can be harder to get it approved. I mean, you've suggested some major changes. I assuming that they were going to take a vote at the last meeting just suggested more minor word changes. To the snow and ice. No, no, no, on the street lights. I suggested like, for example, there was language with the dimming of the lights. And it said, you know, it could be dimmed much earlier. And it could also be dimmed much more. Right. They're saying the maximum will be 70%. It could be like 70% or 60% or 50% or 30%. We don't really know. We don't really know. I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, it's just, you know, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, it's just like 50% or 30%, we don't really know. And also we don't even have the capacity right now to. To do that. Any current lights? So I guess just, you know, in the name of safety and the fact that by the time we have those lights, you know, the technology will improve. There'll be more research and so on. I guess my Tennessee is to err on the side of. Caution then it can be revised, but I don't know, What do you see as a timeframe for that? I'm not doing it. So it's, you won't be here then. I won't be here. So it'll be, you know, five years out probably. Five years or more, right? So, yeah. Okay. And what, why is that the snow and ice policy on our. So I was just on the agenda just because it finally went through. Okay. The changes that had been proposed. So. The changes that were implemented were the main changes were to. One to put. The responsibility for enforcement of snow and ice under under. The inspection services and not under the police department. And a number of people had lobbied for it to go under DPW as well. I think. The decision was made to put it under inspection in part because I think inspection also deals with property owners on a lot of other enforcement type issues. And then the second part of that is also that now there's a section about when bushes are. Oh, right. Or hanging the sidewalk, which is something that the DPW has always sent out letters when they get complaints, but this just formalizes it. And it's in the bylaw. So it used to be in the bylaws and someone took it out. So I don't know how it. Anyway, so that's good. But it actually got approved because no one's told us. Well, I haven't seen that it got approved. I saw that it did get approved. I mean, I. It got approved like 10 to zero from the councilor. She were present and they didn't have any discussion over it. Yeah. But I don't believe there's a new updated bylaw on the website yet because. I was going to send that information to some people and there wasn't. Anything to send. So. So anyway, does that mean that Guilford, will you still get those? I mean, if, if enforcement is under inspection will. I mean. We're not going to, we'll send everything to inspection. But they're not the ones you're going to like cut back the trees or anything right there. They're the ones who are going to handle it. We're not going to. We won't coordinate anything with the property owners. And we'll just wait for someone to say there's that we need to do something and then we'll do it. All right. Got it. If that's truly the way it went. That's what I think. I think it went that way. What's your vacation? You were on vacation. Like I said, no one has sent us a letter saying, or any. Follow-through is weak sometimes. So we don't know what's. There's no call to it. We're doing. Or that was even past. I'm pretty sure it passed. Yeah, I think it did. Well, and so what Kim is saying, like I read in the paper that it passed, so I believe that passed. So the next, the next agenda item is e-bikes. Oh yeah. So just one more thing with that. With the obstruction of the public way. So. I mean, it is a parental issue. About like snow and ice, but then also, I mean, I know I was walking around last night and there are some places that I've been to. I've been to places like. Bushes and things, tree branches and stuff hanging like pretty far over the sidewalk or even I get head level and things. And so I was talking recently with the chair of the. Town services and outreach committee about maybe doing public information and like outreach and just letting people know that that's the rule and. Public information person could do a little blurb about it or something just to like get the word out. Because I'm pretty sure that some people don't know. I mean, I've even had long-term residents telling me that they didn't think that they were responsible for shoveling their sidewalk. And definitely people, not everybody knows about the bushes either. Yeah. So. So I don't know if that's something we want to be involved with, with enforcement. I mean, with, you know, with education about it. So the e-bikes in Massachusetts. I meant to send around the handout and it was just basically, you know, that. Jess Slavin from mass bikes had provided me information on the act to reduce traffic fatalities. And she also sent along something about the e-bikes because questions come out, come up about those and how they're considered under state law. So. So I can send that around. And there's also been questions too about like e-bikes that are pretty powerful and can go pretty fast. And should they be? Should they be on the, you know, should they be on the streets and so on? Yeah. I mean, should they be on the, you know, the bike path and things and. I think it's a legitimate issue. I mean, I've been noticing this too. I mean, I've been noticing this too. I mean, I've been noticing this too. I mean, honestly, I mean, do you ever, do you not, do you ever feel like not safe with it or. No. Mostly more as a pedestrian. Then, you know, with e-bikes and other motorized. Things on, on the sidewalks. Mostly. You know, I don't know. You're not always given warning. On a bike path, like. It's not motorized, right? So what's that? Like, is it, is it like what rules govern the bike path? And. I mean, is there a speed limit? I don't think there's a restriction about. Motorized or not motorized. There, there actually is. There is. Okay. There's three classes of e-bikes, one, two, and three. And then I can't remember which is the best, but really, I think like it's class two, the middle one is the only one, one and two or three and two, or the only ones that allow supposed to be on bike paths. The other one is fast enough that it should stay on the road. And they're supposed to stay in the road. So it depends on the power and which class it falls into. And I mean. Go ahead. The national park has the same classification system. They use that. It's a national system. Well, so. Yeah, I mean, I'm pulling up now that there's, there's this. Class one, two and three that mass bike had done a like handout about it. But now, I mean, so a lot of the bike path, like some of the bike paths, like the rail trails are under the jurisdiction of DCR, but they're not really. I mean, always usually out like enforcing and saying, wait, you're, you have an e-bike you're going too fast to your. Well, I don't think, I don't think there's a speed actually restriction because you know, you can go pretty fast on your own bicycle. No, that's true. I don't think there is a speed restriction on the bike path, honestly. Honestly, the only problems I've ever seen with e-bikes and just because this is huge and in Brooklyn, which might be a different environment is just the delivery. You know, there's actually been a few deaths in the city recently. And so it's been a big issue. But yeah, for me bicyclists, yeah, if you're doing commerce, you tend to drive a little unsafely as do like delivery drivers. Hmm. Yeah. But then I've seen people use like scooters a lot and things too. It can be a little crazy, particularly as you're saying, like in an urban environment. I mean, Amherst doesn't have that many scooters yet. Yeah, thank God. But people don't necessarily follow like all the traffic rules. We're getting there. We're getting there with the, with the scooters you need. Yeah, there's a lot more when the students are here. Yeah. But I, for sure, it's more confined to campus. I don't know. I haven't seen that many downtown, but maybe I'm wrong. We got a group that come up from the south side of town and go by us every, you know, they just shoot up the side of one, six, one, 16 south, pleasant street there. And they're like passing and going up to campus. We don't know where they go. But the thing I always get concerned about is a lot of, and even my kids sometimes, you know, in urban areas are like, Oh, can we run a bike? Oh, can we run a scooter? And they never have helmets and right. No, this is terrible. So when I was traveling overseas. I was in Australia and every, um, there's a lot of obstacles that the human community needs to remember. And we had a lot of bus stations where you could rent. E bikes or scooters or whatever. They all had helmets attached to them. Like it was like a law. I thought that was a pretty good idea, but then people said, Ooh, that's disgusting or whatever, but. I mean, at the same time, it's like that is providing one. I mean, I didn't vote for. a really bad idea, especially a lot of people don't even don't usually ride bikes and now they're riding powered bikes that go even faster without a helmet. The only good thing about all the e-bikes, right, is they all have lights on them. Except for the valley bikes, they don't have very good lights sometimes. Like I think they have regenerative braking to provide lights or they're supposed to recharge in the stations, but a lot of them are dark. And again, they're not riding, they don't have helmets and they don't have street and they're in the street and they're not really properly fit on their bicycles either. I think it's, it's, it's not. Yeah. Anyway, as you said, they're not experienced. So I mean, I do hope that we will get value bikes back or some yeah, I know. Sesser, but but there should be more with safety. Maybe we can talk to mass bikes about that when they come. Um, yeah, some aspects was interesting coming. And then the only other thing I had was just about just throughout the regional transportation plan update. So in the agenda I sent out, they, you know, they are accepting comments for help for another week. And, you know, it's good. I like looking not only at like what we're doing, but then also what the reading is doing. And so it seemed like a good chance to kind of reflect on that. And that's why I put it on the agenda. Great. And they had information meetings. They had one yesterday and then they have another one. And I've also been impressed to when I've gone back and looked at our town plans, you know, we have the transportation plan, we have the bike and pedestrian networks plan and things like we have some good things and quite a bit of it is being implemented already. So we are making progress. It's nice. I mean, for maybe, maybe we could do that at a future meeting. But for some of the newer committee members to just think about that, I mean, we have these documents and it may not always seem like we're making progress, but we are totally. So And I'm assuming we don't have any referrals. And then we don't have any. I mean, yeah, the council hasn't been meeting that much and things. And one thing that the CSO chair talked to me about a little is if they put an item on their agenda either for every meeting or every other meeting about having something, you know, like, like an update from TAC or something, just so that we're in the loop with them and telling them what we're doing and seeing how we can help their work and things like that. So I thought that was a good idea. I mean, it's been a long time since we got a formal referral from the council or from TSO. Yeah, it has. So okay. And so I don't know that's about it. Some meeting. Yeah. I think would be really useful to get done at this. And Amber would love that. Yeah. So yeah, let me let me pull those up. But let's see. Oh, yeah, Stefan and Joe weren't at the March 23rd meetings. So I don't know if we maybe we can wait maybe we didn't want to wait. We can wait. Yeah, we might have to wait till we have more members to approve these minutes, I think. Sure. Yes, was right, because we were gonna want at least like four of us, right? And yeah, so. Okay. All right. All right. And so do we want to? I would like to set a meeting for Hey, the roundabout is a new roundabouts. Great. Love it. Oh, the one in South Amherst? Yes. Have you been biking through there? No, I have not. I've only. Yes, no, I have not. I've only been in my car past there, but I love it. I don't like that the middle is all asphalt though. Yeah, the middle is the island in the center is a little small because of the trucks making left turns. Oh, right. I was wondering about that. Yeah, that's what I thought. Okay. Oh, so that the trucks can go in the apron? Is that the idea? Yeah. Yeah. So the trucks track in the apron and they don't track over the island like the UMass one that trucks track over the island. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, the grass, the island is too big in the middle. It needs to be shrunk down a little bit because the trucks track across it. This one I shrink down the island. I shrink it down probably a little too much. Yeah, it is really yeah, it's small, but it's it's nice. I mean, I think and and you're still putting in like some signage, right? And and lights and whatever. I like that it really slows traffic down too. I mean, you could still navigate quick, you know, you can navigate easily through it, but it definitely you can't just go straight through it, right? You really have to slow down. I like it. I like that fact. This is this is our fifth one. And this is our first one is totally done by in-house. Oh, really? Cool. Oh, that's nice. We had some people check us after we did it. What do you mean? Check you just kind of like peer review. Oh, OK, OK. Nice. We pretty much did this one in-house. So now have you heard many comments about it yet? Go further. Only one negative comment. And she hates all roundabouts. And she pretty much is now has her path restricted to where she can go in the world because she can't go to North Hampton anymore without going to Sunderland first. Oh, right. So but everyone has pretty much been in favor. It's been really supportive. OK. The interesting thing was that it still had the traffic lights up, but the roundabout shape was there. People actually followed the roundabout shape, even though they could drive straight across it. Oh, nice. Because it was filled in with gravel. You could drive straight across, but people stayed on the pavement and went around the shape. And didn't you what the you had to handle it? It was kind of interesting to watch that. I guess. Interesting. I went through it. The last time I went through it was on Monday, and it is a little confusing if I didn't. But I think it's just because because it's not quite finished yet, you know, like the paint isn't up. And because it's all kind of black, right? There's I think if the middle I that's why I wish the middle were something maybe different. I'm just telling you what's going to be green. Oh, it is. OK, great. That because it's just like it's hard because it's new, you know, hard a little bit to like see what's there. And it was it's also dusk, you know, so it's not the greatest light either. Yeah, usually paint those red like the red brick we have. Yes, triangle street. So we decided this one's going to be green in the middle. So the texture in the middle will be green. That's great. So it's just going to be the pavement, painting green like no vegetation or anything, right? Right there. The truck apron will all be this green color instead of a red pattern. And then the green island in the middle, we decide what to put there. We're still trying to find a place to put a Lord Jeffrey Emmer statue, but maybe that's not the right place. I really wanted the Jeffrey Emmer statue cover. It's a long running joke. Oh, yeah, I'm sure somebody would run it over. Yeah. But I like all the improvements to all the sidewalk. I mean, it's just so much. It's so nice. It really changes like like the one like the sidewalks in the new sidewalks in town that go past the the post office, whatever. It just changes the whole like feel of that street, whatever that little street is downtown street. Yeah, it really is so much just makes it so much nicer and accessible. And I imagine for all the older people, especially who live in that house, I mean, it just makes life easier to get around, you know, with sidewalks that are completely accessible in North Amherst, right? You're done in North Amherst, that section. That section's done. Yes. So that's the section just south of Pine Street. You know, so, you know how there was that secondary road? And like they filled it in with grass and you know, it looks nice. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, it's really it's really great. I'm very excited. When is this stuff gonna happen? I like the crosswalks. What? What about the park? Graf Park, is that going to happen or not? You mean Kendrick Park? Kendrick Park, sorry. Yeah, sorry. Sorry. That looks good. Graf Park looks great too. All those sidewalks are awesome. You mean North Pleasant Street next to Graf Park? No, I mean, I mean, I'm talking now. Kendrick Park, sorry. Kendrick Park, yeah. Yeah, North Pleasant Street there. Yeah. It'll probably go out hopefully by the end of this month and. Cool. Contract will probably be ready in August and it'll go into August and probably into next year. So do you think will any of that work start this year or it will start next year? I don't know. And and what's the time frame? Do you know what the time frame is with Mastery of Tea on Route 9 North Campton Road? They're supposed to be done in August, but I don't think they will be. No. Oh, I thought they were going in 2024 personally, but. There's some issues right now that have to work out. Some of it's looking really good. And they upgraded the Hadley section to that looks nice. Like with the like the pavement markings and things like that. It'll be smooth from the center of Amherst to the North Ham to the root name. Route 91. It could be certainly smooth all the way. Yeah, not quite. 91. Yeah. Doesn't it just go from, I mean, the Hadley project, right? It goes from the mall. It goes from Maple to the center of Hadley. Is that right? Yeah. I mean, when Baltasar is done with their section and Caracas is done with their section, it'll be really smooth, basically, from the center of Amherst to 91. Yeah, that's OK. The question, those raised manholes. Are they going to stay there? Or is that I don't think they're actually raised? I think it's just that they haven't filled in. No, they're raised. Oh, that's final grade. So that's where the level of payment will be. So there's another course of payment that goes on there, which is supposed to be done by August, but I'm not sure it'll make it because there's some sidewalk issues. Oh, really? But they've been doing a lot of the work with the sidewalk on the North Hampton Road section on both sides. They have people are using that. I mean, for the last couple of months, even though it's just been dirt and people have been using it. So it shows that there's like demand for it and things. So, no, that's good. Oh, and I had a question. So is there that you did say that there's the rectangular rapid flashing beacons that are going in? There's a few that are going in around town. They're on the list to go in. OK, where are those going to be? They're in the center of town mostly. OK. There's one by Kendrick Park. There's one one set on pray and triangle. There's another set on triangle and Churchill. Yeah, triangle and Churchill. What's the street that goes down to Lessee? No, is that? Yeah, that's that. And it's on triangle where to the Lessee or Churchill comes out there. It's Lessee, I think. And oh, that's good. There's three. That's four. Is there one going out on Amity? Um, I think there is. I feel like there's some new signage. Is any new signage going up? Or is there just signs that I haven't seen before that I haven't noticed? There's some new signs that are popping up, but nothing in the center of town. OK, some wayfinding signs, planning is got their wayfinding sign thing done. Oh, right. Yeah. There's new wayfinding signs going in. OK, no, that's great. Yeah, great to have some more. I mean, I feel like all these improvements are just going to, you know, help people to bike and walk a lot more. I mean, you know, it just makes it easier for everyone to be able to do that. And I especially feel, I mean, even walking around downtown at night, like where there are dark sections, like a long triangle or things like that. I mean, in the mid block crosswalks, it's pretty unlikely that somebody will stop. Yeah, for me, unless unless like I'm like there's flashing light. It feels like that. And so, I mean, it's not necessarily somebody said, well, that's true. That's a dangerous situation. You need to have some other treatment. But I think it's just that it's just a lot easier as a pedestrian to walk around downtown if I know, like if I hit the lights and then somebody will stop and things. And I feel pretty confident that the drivers will stop on these two lane roads. I would feel less confident on like a big four lane, five lane road or something. So money to do the new downtown redesign. So right now you can't do any rapid rectangular flashing beacons at the crossblock ones because they're all hidden behind park cars mostly. So oh, yeah, we haven't put those in. Now, there's one like like we had reviewed it to write planning. There was a one at Garcia's, for example, right? That one's going in. Yeah, because there's no there's no parking, right? There's no parking on one side. On the park side, right? But the other side and yeah. No, that's an issue, too. Cool. Oh, and so there's one more update, Kim, that I saw is on the council agenda. Guilford said he will be there, but the town manager is bringing. He has an item about. Seeing if the council will support exploring TAC becoming the transportation commission. Oh, so until Joseph, but and so on. So that basically, I mean, if that was to happen, then it would it would turn it into like a more of a decision making body and not just an advisory committee that can have additional support. So I think the idea is to go to the council and see how the council feels about that or see what types of things that the council would want to give that authority to the commission if it's created and then based on the feedback that the town manager gets, he would go forward with creating a charge for the commission. Wow, cool. When is that? Is that on an agenda? It's on the agenda for one day, I believe. Oh, Guilford, we can hear you. We all have to learn how to read lips and these things will go much better. Yeah, it goes goes a Monday to council and up council approves it will get sent to G. L. L. What's that? Government. Organization legislation. Yeah. They're usually the ones that do like they do the ward for the ward smithing about the bylaws and things like the snow. Nice one to them, for example, they get everything. So anyway, anyway, well, good. So Stefan, anything to add? No, I do live near that roundabout, though. And I just drove through it for a smithing and I like it. I mean, that light was kind of ridiculously long. And I feel like it was it was on some kind of weird timer if it was like I've sat there at 1 p.m. Or sorry, 1 a.m. sitting there and sometimes it'll run it. But if it's if it's late at night and there's, you know, but no, I think it's a big improvement. I do think like not to be nitpicky, but also to be nitpicky. I think coming out of it, it's a little bit like, I guess, the whole purpose is to slow cars down, right? I mean, to maintain safety. So I do I'm like, oh, man, I'm going slower than I want to. It's sort of a sharp exit. But again, that's probably better than the alternative. So I do like that, though. And then with respect to e-bikes, I mean, you talked about it earlier, but I do see them on a bike path that walk my dogs and come there. And I think people, at least to me, have been pretty respectful and do say on your left, on your right, whatever. Yeah, and I don't ever feel unsafe. I can see because how that, you know, some people might have concerns because they are heavy, but like at least, you know what, 40, 50 pounds. And they move, like, you know, upwards of, I think that I think it's there's some limit where they can't exceed something like 23 or 25 miles an hour. Even if that motor can support it, it's kind of like for safety, all companies kind of cap it at that speed. So but even then, if you hit someone, so what Joseph was saying or about people getting, unfortunately, fatally injured, whatever in Brooklyn, I mean, we don't have that kind of kind of population here, that level. But I have heard of people, you know, regular bikes on the UMass campus getting struck by regular bikes, clustering, class change. And then the scooters, I mean, like Gilford said, they kind of, I mean, there's a million of them when schools in session around campus. And so I can see that being an issue. But I don't I mean, I don't know what the town is trying to do about making sure they're not, you know, on the sidewalk, especially in high population areas like going past Antony was downtown Amherst, you know, that's a narrow area. And I think, you know, I was supposed to ride them regardless of scooters, too. But so yeah, I mean, nothing's supposed to be on the sidewalk. But then I just get worried. I mean, again, some of it is my kids when they've rented them that they want to just be off in the road and they don't have helmets and. Right. It never seems like totally safe. Yeah, I can see around. I can also see around campus. I mean, if you're talking about 20 to 25 miles an hour, like on the bikes, but as Kim said, some, you know, higher speed bicyclists can go that fast, too. So right, the rail trails really aren't the best place for high speed bicyclists either. No, it's right. Yeah, so. But I do have a question for you about the about with the lighting. So one of the things that had come up with the street lights policy is the idea about, you know, having street lights at bus stops or. And that in the end, right, that they didn't keep that in. But I think there it was it was decided that and I was one of the people who said, well, maybe we don't actually need to have street lights at bus stops because one, we have lots of bus stops where they're not being used at night. Right. Also that you want to have some type of lighting at bus stops, right, even if it's not street lighting. And so and I know I was speaking with somebody who was talking about like some of the bus shelters and like how dark they are. Like, are you still do you still work with like a mass transit? And yeah, yeah, I still and and so I mean, is there like funding or are there plans to make sure that there's some kind of lighting or lighting options and some of the shelters just because they can be so dark. Yeah, some do have it, but you're definitely right that some don't. And sometimes we're just standing on bus stops. And I told you there's that light you can press almost a crosswalk light and a blink angle at the oncoming bus. It's not really made for the passenger to be well. It's more so that the driver can see. I can look into that. I can certainly look into that and see. I mean, I still currently work for you mass transit services and obviously we run for the PVP. So right, someone's someone's going to know something. So I can definitely. Yeah, no, and it seems like sometimes, too, there's like funding for that, like there's funding from the state sometimes. So like upgrade bus access and some of it has to do with like, you know, pull offs and things like that. But it also seems like some of it might be related to lighting. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. And I honestly, I don't even know if he has like a little project or anything to work on with respect to upgrading bus stops to the level that you're talking about with the shelters, lighted bus shelters and just even just like around. Well, as you said, even the ones that aren't necessarily like shelters, but just to have like some type of illumination, as you were saying, just so that at least like the bus driver can see that there's like passengers waiting and the passengers might benefit from having a little bit of light, you know, but but but especially I think in the shelter, right, if somebody was sitting in a dark shelter, like the bus could go by them and not see them unless they come out and and also a lot of people don't want to sit in the dark in a dark shelter. So, right. No, definitely not. Yeah, anyway. But yeah, I can look into that as well. But I didn't know if some shelters have like solar paneling or something like that where it would make it easy to. I don't know. I don't believe so. I think some of those lights, the standalone lights have a slope on top. I don't think they're. Yeah, that's what I meant. I just meant like localized. Oh, the little ones. Yeah. I think they might have a small little panel on top. Right. Recharge it during a day. Yeah. And it doesn't even have to be like light. I mean, bright lighting, right? It just is like a little bit of illumination. Right. It's like it's like your iPhone has like little exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, OK. Well, thank you. And so do we need to decide on August meeting? Yeah, that would be great if we can. And I know I mean, I had been talking with Jess from Mass Bike about coming. If that was of interest and. Sure. So I don't know. I was wondering if we do it. Around like the 17th or something. Does that work for the four of us who are here? And then I can float it to the other. That does for me. That's a Thursday, right? Again. Yeah, we try to do. I'm fine with that. OK, right. I'm fine with that. Yeah, it works for me too. Great. Awesome. Great. All right. So our meeting is adjourned. Sounds good. Second. OK, thanks, Gilford. Thank you. Thanks, Amber. She'll listen to her. Oh, you know, we now have I now have a planning board member in my house, too. That's right. He doesn't know what he's in for. He was asked about how he resolves conflicts and they liked that. Oh, there you go. Fun, fun. Fun, fun. Well, he can help, you know, he can help with transportation and subdivisions and things. There you go. Don't worry. And so, Joe, does your daughter like meetings? Yay, meetings. Yes, you like what? Does she like meetings? Yeah. Well, we're about to go to Grawth and take a quick dip. So nice. I think she's more into that. Yeah. Yeah, Grawth. All right. Bye. Thank you. Have a good one.